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Huh, I wonder why my argument was just belittled for being that...
little contradictory, huh Tordek?
First there is a "C" in my name.
Second I did not belittle your argument. What I said is a fact. Basing reads off how someone acted in one game is illogical. It doesn't show a pattern of behavior that a full meta would. It shows how they acted one time in one situation that is completely different then the current one. I'm glad you want to follow your gut. I do it a lot myself. But dont try to say that its a meta call when its not.
I double checked with AI and there is no way I was redirected or blocked or that my ability got tampered with.
TIK is scum. There is no chance this isn't true.
Except that your "investigation came up as "scum, non-town, and a couple others", unless AI used all those words on your supposed pm, something isn't adding up.
This time's gonna be different because I'm not wrong.
But I guess it can wait until there's less pressing matters at hand.
These two sentences seem to be from completely different attitudes. In the first, you appy hard confidence, only to be cowed by the second sentence. Why the sudden change?
Do you know what an Ascetic is?
Since the answer is apparently no, Wikipedia is your friend. And untargetable means he can't be targeted by anyone. And that's not what he claimed.
Since I was scum with him, I know what he is referring to, and he had no business claiming it in said game. Its a bad claim not only as scum, but when there are a supposed 4 other roles out.
Okay, ask yourself this, what would the scum benefit from knowing this? All I know about you is this, you killed Pinkflyod with a muscled hand. You are one of three people, Garruk, Ajani, or Vorniclex.
...Did I miss something to look over, or is tezzeret claiming he knows you killed PF?
Neither do millers. Mafia games cannot be sorted into "helpful to town" equals town versus "helpful to scum" as scum if you're not in a Basic.
Soon as you get out of a Basic, you have to leave that simplicity behind as well. Mods can be evil.
Example: AI's Guildpact Mafia. I got a cop that would get a guilty result on 5/10 people. Only 3 were scum.
I can quote more examples if you like.
Do you know what an Ascetic is?
Since the answer is apparently no, Wikipedia is your friend. And untargetable means he can't be targeted by anyone. And that's not what he claimed.
What I love about playing with you is just how friendly you are. Some people are condescending, and think that they are just the bees's knees, but you sir are quite different.
Every moment of playtime I am able to engage with you is equivalent to years of bliss. There is no doubt that the sheer physical pleasure gained from reading one of your posts is greater than that of sex.
These two sentences seem to be from completely different attitudes. In the first, you appy hard confidence, only to be cowed by the second sentence. Why the sudden change?
Oh, the attitudes still here. As I was writing it though, I realized that lynching HH should be put on the backburner. We have more important matters to attend to. Namely... deciding whether to believe either your claim, or Vezok's.
I can't wait to see the answer to Yanni's question.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Oops, misread one part. That part's now withdrawn.
Back to my point.
According to what you said, Artifice claiming he wasn't a real cop is the reason you were sure he was falseclaiming. According to your next sentence, you being a normal cop means he can't be a 'non-normal' cop. Of course, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Also, you're not saying anything about where you slipped up.
AND you counterclaimed a town cop.
Let me explain slowly.
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
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Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
So the result said "TiK is not town" but your flavor implied that he was scum?
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Second I did not belittle your argument. What I said is a fact. Basing reads off how someone acted in one game is illogical. It doesn't show a pattern of behavior that a full meta would. It shows how they acted one time in one situation that is completely different then the current one. I'm glad you want to follow your gut. I do it a lot myself. But dont try to say that its a meta call when its not.
Tezzeret is painfully town. this is not how he acted as scum in 43, so I am assuming he is town
Sort of the same way I believe Shalako is town, because the only completed game I have with him was 38, where he was scum. And he was my scum mentor in 39, so I can assume this is not his scum meta.
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Okay, ask yourself this, what would the scum benefit from knowing this? All I know about you is this, you killed Pinkflyod with a muscled hand. You are one of three people, Garruk, Ajani, or Vorniclex.
Dear. Tezzeret.
For. The. Love. Of. God. Stop. Basing. Your. Entire. Game. On. Flavor. Gaming.
Sincerely.
TMM.
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Unvote TiK
The recent interactions between TiK and vezok has made me reconsider my stance on vezok, and whether he's telling the truth or not.
On one hand, I don't see TiK just out and false claiming Ascetic with a claimed cop claiming guilty. If this is true, then Vezok's result should have returned a "failed" flavour, rather than the "Not Town" flavour he claimed to have received.
Another thing - What happened to chibi being coroner?
Is there any hidden information that we don't know?
I'm thinking that there's a high possibility of a mod provided false claim, given how closely the roles are tied to flavour - 5 man scum team, 5 Praetors.
Also fits in with Yanni trying to get him lynched D1.
Yanni likes doing that when he's scum.
Unvote TiK
The recent interactions between TiK and vezok has made me reconsider my stance on vezok, and whether he's telling the truth or not.
On one hand, I don't see TiK just out and false claiming Ascetic with a claimed cop claiming guilty. If this is true, then Vezok's result should have returned a "failed" flavour, rather than the "Not Town" flavour he claimed to have received.
Another thing - What happened to chibi being coroner?
Is there any hidden information that we don't know?
I'm thinking that there's a high possibility of a mod provided false claim, given how closely the roles are tied to flavour - 5 man scum team, 5 Praetors.
Also fits in with Yanni trying to get him lynched D1.
Yanni likes doing that when he's scum.
That makes 0 logical sense.
Here's what you're saying
"Chibi is scum"
"Yanni tried to get him lynched day 1"
"Yanni is scum"
Why are you trying to start up a bad wagon with Roja?
How about you do something and answer my PBPA of you mr 20 post.
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That makes 0 logical sense.
Here's what you're saying
"Chibi is scum"
"Yanni tried to get him lynched day 1"
"Yanni is scum"
Why are you trying to start up a bad wagon with Roja?
How about you do something and answer my PBPA of you mr 20 post.
Almost,
I'm saying Chibi could be scum, as I don't see how his role has been confirmed.
Yanni tried to bus him Day 1, which is something Yanni would do.
Yanni is probably scum, based on his behavour, which means that I'm going to be taking a closer look at both of you.
Your PBPA?
You mean you quoting my posts and putting spam after them?
How is that a pbpa?
Sure looks like just a big OMGUS atm.
And looking back, Art did a huge PBPA on you, which you basically handwaved away by calling him scum.
Are you going to answer that one?
It has some pretty good points now that we know he was town.
Almost,
I'm saying Chibi could be scum, as I don't see how his role has been confirmed.
Yanni tried to bus him Day 1, which is something Yanni would do.
Yanni is probably scum, based on his behavour, which means that I'm going to be taking a closer look at both of you.
Prove that this is my scum meta
Your PBPA?
You mean you quoting my posts and putting spam after them?
How is that a pbpa?
Sure looks like just a big OMGUS atm.
you obviously didn't read
And looking back, Art did a huge PBPA on you, which you basically handwaved away by calling him scum.
Are you going to answer that one?
It has some pretty good points now that we know he was town.
Art's wall of OMGUS?
yeah. cause that's totally relevant. He was calling me town until I voted for him, then he made that wall of OMGUS
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What I love about playing with you is just how friendly you are. Some people are condescending, and think that they are just the bees's knees, but you sir are quite different.
Every moment of playtime I am able to engage with you is equivalent to years of bliss. There is no doubt that the sheer physical pleasure gained from reading one of your posts is greater than that of sex.
Your sarcasm is amusing.
At the risk of being overly melodramatic, here is my response:
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
Unless I'm wrong, people are supposed to be trying to win. Yet if they're town, I've seen such bad play over the course of the game that it seems they're not trying to win. pinkfloyd's the best example here. I can name others on request.
Right now, the play in this game in general is somewhere between making me want to veg the rest of the game or stab my eye out with an ice pick. If I had a daykill, I would have used it by now. Multiple times.
Right now, I don't care how friendly/not friendly I appear to you. I simply care that I win.
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
So you investigated him as "not town" yet the flavour you got tells you that he was the one who killed kpaca.
So you simultaneously copped and tracked him, and there are two town cops in a game.
Right...
To all here who are telling me to shut up about the flavor, do you believe all the little hints that AI has been dropping all game are useless? It's not like they're fake either though, he breadcrumbed at Art being Tezzeret.
To all here who are telling me to shut up about the flavor, do you believe all the little hints that AI has been dropping all game are useless? It's not like they're fake either though, he breadcrumbed at Art being Tezzeret.
So why don't we just have everyone do a fake daykill and find all the scum instantly?
Oh wait. That'd break the game, so AI wouldn't allow it. And by far the simplest way of doing that is...not making these so-called "little hints" useful.
Fine, and normally I would agree with you. Except for the fact that during Artifices daykill, his eyes glinted. AI was breadcrumbing. If he did it there, why not do it other places too?
So fine, let's try this. daykill Cyouni. We'll see what he says.
this flavor gamging is stupid.
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Tezzeret is painfully town. this is not how he acted as scum in 43, so I am assuming he is town
Sort of the same way I believe Shalako is town, because the only completed game I have with him was 38, where he was scum. And he was my scum mentor in 39, so I can assume this is not his scum meta.
So there is no way that after 43 you could have identified his scum signals and worked on changing them?
The tension in the air grows thick as tezzeret12 and Cyouni face each other off. Neither makes a move, surveying his opponent for any sign of weakness. Just as the feeling of animosity becomes unbearable, Cyouni issues a guttural grunt and turns away, apparently completely unimpressed by his rival. At this slight, tezzeret12 loses self-control and leaps on Cyouni's back, attempting to strangle him in a fit of madness. It takes several others to pry the two apart, but tezzeret12 still fights to get at Cyouni, teeth bared and spittle flying. Aside from a few bruises on Cyouni's throat and tezzeret12's bloody lip, neither is harmed, though everyone still eyes tezzeret12 warily. Some suspect him of being one of the abominations, but others are quite aware that even the purest souls can become psychotic in the hollow metal core of Phyrexia.
tezzeret12's Daykill attempt failed.
Vote Count 23
The Ice King (2): vezokpiraka, Chibi C'thulhu Roja (2): Yanni, tezzeret12 tezzeret12 (2): Cyouni, tordeck vezokpiraka (1): Horseshoe_Hermit Yanni (1): Roja
Not Voting (6): The Ice King, Digicooldad, The_Muffin_Man, Shalako, kill-joy, Deathjoey
With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to lynch.
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Shalako's FAKE multivote got Chibi to reveal his role.. I don't find that action to be all town friendly.. It appears to be someone who is looking for information from the other team..
What sort of 'Normal' game have you played that has two cops?
So anyways, I've wanted to do this for awhile now. vote Roja. Why? He randomly pops in, is sooo flying under the radar here, and has slowly stopped posting since day 1. I've gone back, read his comments, and I really, really feel like this guy is scum. Isn't their purpose to appear town? This guy seems to be doing it incredibly well. He feels so wrong though, cautious, like he's trying waaay to hard here.
You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
AI messed up and on night 1 instead of sending me a result on shalako the flavor said kpaca. Didn't actually matter because I got blocked. AI then admitted he messed up and I wasn't redirected to kpaca or anything.
Now onto the important stuff.
I CC a claimed cop. After getting getting some pressure art went ahead and said : "Hey , I'm a metal cop not a normal cop". I was a normal cop so I assumed he was fake claiming to save his ass. Of course I was sure he was scum.
Then I investigate someone that is scum and you want to lynch because I counter claimed someone? Seriously what is wrong with this town?
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
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You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
This makes me feel ok about a tezz vote in the near future. Since his play in Basic 43 has come up, I will point out that he tried to use my real life obligations to paint me as scum as well. (He thought I was lying about having buttloads of hw).
And he was scum that game. I see no reason for him to do it again as scum in this game.
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
This is actually a REALLY good point.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
This is a good point as well.
In all the clamor of the vezok/TIK dichotomy, we totally forgot about the Art/vez one. The more people say about vez, the more I don't think he's town.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yes, because I obviously have a crystal ball in my house. I speak Roja, and I see a hurricane. I say kill-joy and I see paper. I say Yanni and I see a bunch of 40 year old women.
See, because the hole in your attack is that I don't believe that Roja ever mentioned a hurricane. And secondly, when I was attacking you in 43, I actually meant my attack on you. It wasn't like I was just spewing random crap all over the place hoping someone would pick it up and throw it back in a little game of hot potato.
Peeps im in the path of Irene. Thus not able to post. Will do so when I can.
Here's the hurricane.
Secondly, I don't doubt you mean it. As town, you're supposed to mean it. As scum, you're supposed to think you mean it. And yes you were. It was a terrible argument and when I confronted you with the fact that you did many of the things you accused me of, you decided to ignore those claims and continue with your bad argument.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Secondly, I don't doubt you mean it. As town, you're supposed to mean it. As scum, you're supposed to think you mean it. And yes you were. It was a terrible argument and when I confronted you with the fact that you did many of the things you accused me of, you decided to ignore those claims and continue with your bad argument.
You're acting just like you did in 43.
Basic 43, eh....
Look, this is really simple. vezok is a total liar. He lied. And it's a bs lie - a 'stop paying attention to Truth' lie - not a "believe something false" lie. He has such a vicious focus on this one player's death, he garbled his lie, he hasn't even got it in him to fake the mindset anymore. He's totally given up and is just going through the motions of flail to avoid prod, maybe on the offchance scum can get someone to say or do something ignorant.
*Still* he flails about this flavour kpaca bull****. You know who else is flavour gaming? tezz. And hey, you know who else wanted us to devour the dichotomy like we didn't understand as good as him? tezz. Oh crap, I'm deflecting my own lynch. YOU MAKE IT SO EASY.
I wandered from the point and now I'm telling you to get back to the facts. vezok dies, and then there were 3.
Shalako's FAKE multivote got Chibi to reveal his role.. I don't find that action to be all town friendly.. It appears to be someone who is looking for information from the other team..
None, but i'll address this later in this post.
Question, why is Chibi on your post here when it looks like you scorned me for suggesting it in my next post?
You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
Actually I can get behind a Roja vote. Only as long as you Yanni are the one to hammer.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
Lol
my entire argument is "fluffy stuff"
you're obviously scum
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If I was acting just how I was in 43, no one would be attacking me at all. Yet here I am, possibly about to be daykilled. In 43 I was careful, much more calculating. Here, not so much.
Simple: this is not a Basic game. (Although some people are playing as though it is.)
People are better players. (Theoretically.)
I notice that you are still unable to answer why you'd attack me and claim I'm scum when you apparently believed I was town at the time.
Cyouni, my statement was not a request. Say something about Yanni.
I did, and have done so on numerous occasions.
Problem's that it's no fun ripping apart someone's arguments when they can't realize their arguments are being shredded. I rip it to shreds and he manages to walk on as though it's intact.
I'll get to him after vezok and tezz. They're higher priority, and a lot more fun to attack since they're not ignoring me.
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
These two posts bother me the most Vote: Vezokpiraka
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And please not just seven posts down my attack on Roja. Therefore both your comments are irrelevant.
Wait, what?
How was it terrible?
If I was acting just how I was in 43, no one would be attacking me at all. Yet here I am, possibly about to be daykilled. In 43 I was careful, much more calculating. Here, not so much.
I'll deal with all this later. Right now, we need to hang your scumbuddy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
No no, if you click on the link, you will understand Cyouni conveniently left out Vezoks explanation for his words. Why'd ya do that Cyou? Ya not tryin' ta myslynch are you man? Nooo, don't listen to me though, I'm probably just OMGUSing. Weird newb in the corner can't have nuthin' important to say, can he?
Yeah, but he claimed that he can tell who is scum and now only says he can find "non-town"
No no, if you click on the link, you will understand Cyouni conveniently left out Vezoks explanation for his words. Why'd ya do that Cyou? Ya not tryin' ta myslynch are you man? Nooo, don't listen to me though, I'm probably just OMGUSing. Weird newb in the corner can't have nuthin' important to say, can he?
I like how you conveniently 'forgot' you had me as town again.
Oh, and what was vezok's 'explanation' again? "I was told TIK actually killed kpaca, but it doesn't mean he killed kpaca, it just means he's a member of the scum team." Yeah, right.
When your scumbuddy flips, watching you squirm tomorrow will be so amusing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Before I die, because I see the town is just sheepishly bad I am going to post a full case on Cyounni and why I think he is scum too.
Please lynch TIK tomorrow and cyounni the next day.
Also to all the townies that lynched me. You are listening to Cyounni and what he is saying. You are not thinking for yourself.
When AI makes death scenes the flavor says that all the scums are involved. I could prove this if a certain game finished. Mod: Can you deny or confirm this?
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Without warning, The_Muffin_Man rounds on tezzeret12, swinging his deadly weapon at his foe's head. Picking up a shield dropped by a fallen Mirran, tezzeret12 deflects the blow. However, the force of the impact shatters the shield, and tezzeret12 is suddenly at The_Muffin_Man's mercy. But to the surprise of all, The_Muffin_Man extends a hand and pulls tezzeret12 to his feet. Within a few moments, discussions resume, and it is as if the altercation had never happened.
The_Muffin_Man's Daykill attempt failed.
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vezokpiraka (5): Horseshoe_Hermit, Roja, kill-joy, Yanni, Chibi C'thulhu tezzeret12 (2): Cyouni, tordeck The Ice King (1): vezokpiraka Roja (1): tezzeret12
Not Voting (5): The Ice King, Digicooldad, The_Muffin_Man, Shalako, Deathjoey
When AI makes death scenes the flavor says that all the scums are involved. I could prove this if a certain game finished. Mod: Can you deny or confirm this?
Obviously not, but it should be clear by now that I enjoy writing flavor. However, there is no guarantee that the flavor provided accurately reflects the game state. Nothing in non-bold text should be taken at face value.
Could you make that backpedal look any more scummy?
The clear dicomity between Vezok and tik wants me to vote for Vezok because he cc'd art, and his slips when describg tik
it bothers me to do end after a reread instead of just skimming
No no, if you click on the link, you will understand Cyouni conveniently left out Vezoks explanation for his words. Why'd ya do that Cyou? Ya not tryin' ta myslynch are you man? Nooo, don't listen to me though, I'm probably just OMGUSing. Weird newb in the corner can't have nuthin' important to say, can he?
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Due to Irene, my internet is flashing in and out.
My posting will probably be cut down a little bit because of this and school.
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Before I die, because I see the town is just sheepishly bad I am going to post a full case on Cyounni and why I think he is scum too.
Please lynch TIK tomorrow and cyounni the next day.
Also to all the townies that lynched me. You are listening to Cyounni and what he is saying. You are not thinking for yourself.
When AI makes death scenes the flavor says that all the scums are involved. I could prove this if a certain game finished. Mod: Can you deny or confirm this?
First, one N in username.
Second, Guildpact Mafia shows that not all scum are involved in NKs.
Third, about two people out of 5 have been influenced by something I said, and also took a look for themselves.
Four. flail more. Preferably tell us your scumbuddies while you're at it.
Really? You think you can just dismiss this with a "Yeah right." No reasoning?
Actually, yes.
"X actually happened, but it didn't really happen."
Anything like that is a self-contradiction of such massive proportions that there are no words for it. Any 'explanation' is simply fluff used to disguise that fact.
@Yanni: The posts you quoted were a while ago, and you were perfectly happy voting for The Ice King in the meantime.
First, Shalako. Also, people who got caught by Irene.
Second, what do you not understand about short days are beneficial to scum?
@vezok:
First, one N in username.
Second, Guildpact Mafia shows that not all scum are involved in NKs.
Third, about two people out of 5 have been influenced by something I said, and also took a look for themselves.
Four. flail more. Preferably tell us your scumbuddies while you're at it.
@tezzeret:
Implying that I'm scum - only scum would want to mislynch.
And unless you're suddenly admitting to wanting to kill town, the same applies here.
So, any more convenient 'forgetting'?
Actually, yes.
"X actually happened, but it didn't really happen."
Anything like that is a self-contradiction of such massive proportions that there are no words for it. Any 'explanation' is simply fluff used to disguise that fact.
@Yanni: The posts you quoted were a while ago, and you were perfectly happy voting for The Ice King in the meantime.
I skimm lots
and I generally give Vezok the benefit of the doubt with English not being his first language.
In this case, whith multiple slips, I'm fine with lynchin Vezok at this point.
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I skimm lots
and I generally give Vezok the benefit of the doubt with English not being his first language.
In this case, whith multiple slips, I'm fine with lynchin Vezok at this point.
Of course you're fine with lynching vezok.
You'd probably be fine with anyone,
As long as its not you. Or tezz... =/
First there is a "C" in my name.
Second I did not belittle your argument. What I said is a fact. Basing reads off how someone acted in one game is illogical. It doesn't show a pattern of behavior that a full meta would. It shows how they acted one time in one situation that is completely different then the current one. I'm glad you want to follow your gut. I do it a lot myself. But dont try to say that its a meta call when its not.
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Except that your "investigation came up as "scum, non-town, and a couple others", unless AI used all those words on your supposed pm, something isn't adding up.
I have not received any flavor in this game as of yet, so I would assume no.
These two sentences seem to be from completely different attitudes. In the first, you appy hard confidence, only to be cowed by the second sentence. Why the sudden change?
What a magnificent looking question.
Since I was scum with him, I know what he is referring to, and he had no business claiming it in said game. Its a bad claim not only as scum, but when there are a supposed 4 other roles out.
...Did I miss something to look over, or is tezzeret claiming he knows you killed PF?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Nevermind, I didn't for got PF was the lynch, not the kill. So then I am even more confused, wth tezzeret?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What I love about playing with you is just how friendly you are. Some people are condescending, and think that they are just the bees's knees, but you sir are quite different.
Every moment of playtime I am able to engage with you is equivalent to years of bliss. There is no doubt that the sheer physical pleasure gained from reading one of your posts is greater than that of sex.
Oh, the attitudes still here. As I was writing it though, I realized that lynching HH should be put on the backburner. We have more important matters to attend to. Namely... deciding whether to believe either your claim, or Vezok's.
I can't wait to see the answer to Yanni's question.
Let me explain slowly.
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
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So the result said "TiK is not town" but your flavor implied that he was scum?
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Tezzeret is painfully town. this is not how he acted as scum in 43, so I am assuming he is town
Sort of the same way I believe Shalako is town, because the only completed game I have with him was 38, where he was scum. And he was my scum mentor in 39, so I can assume this is not his scum meta.
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Unvote TiK
The recent interactions between TiK and vezok has made me reconsider my stance on vezok, and whether he's telling the truth or not.
On one hand, I don't see TiK just out and false claiming Ascetic with a claimed cop claiming guilty. If this is true, then Vezok's result should have returned a "failed" flavour, rather than the "Not Town" flavour he claimed to have received.
Another thing - What happened to chibi being coroner?
Is there any hidden information that we don't know?
I'm thinking that there's a high possibility of a mod provided false claim, given how closely the roles are tied to flavour - 5 man scum team, 5 Praetors.
Also fits in with Yanni trying to get him lynched D1.
Yanni likes doing that when he's scum.
That makes 0 logical sense.
Here's what you're saying
"Chibi is scum"
"Yanni tried to get him lynched day 1"
"Yanni is scum"
Why are you trying to start up a bad wagon with Roja?
How about you do something and answer my PBPA of you mr 20 post.
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Almost,
I'm saying Chibi could be scum, as I don't see how his role has been confirmed.
Yanni tried to bus him Day 1, which is something Yanni would do.
Yanni is probably scum, based on his behavour, which means that I'm going to be taking a closer look at both of you.
Your PBPA?
You mean you quoting my posts and putting spam after them?
How is that a pbpa?
Sure looks like just a big OMGUS atm.
And looking back, Art did a huge PBPA on you, which you basically handwaved away by calling him scum.
Are you going to answer that one?
It has some pretty good points now that we know he was town.
Prove that this is my scum meta
you obviously didn't read
Art's wall of OMGUS?
yeah. cause that's totally relevant. He was calling me town until I voted for him, then he made that wall of OMGUS
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModYour sarcasm is amusing.
At the risk of being overly melodramatic, here is my response:
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
Unless I'm wrong, people are supposed to be trying to win. Yet if they're town, I've seen such bad play over the course of the game that it seems they're not trying to win. pinkfloyd's the best example here. I can name others on request.
Right now, the play in this game in general is somewhere between making me want to veg the rest of the game or stab my eye out with an ice pick. If I had a daykill, I would have used it by now. Multiple times.
Right now, I don't care how friendly/not friendly I appear to you. I simply care that I win.
@vezok:
So you investigated him as "not town" yet the flavour you got tells you that he was the one who killed kpaca.
So you simultaneously copped and tracked him, and there are two town cops in a game.
Right...
@Yanni:
Please hold while I stab my eye out.
ONE GAME, ESPECIALLY EARLY IN EXPERIENCE, IS NOT A META.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModSo why don't we just have everyone do a fake daykill and find all the scum instantly?
Oh wait. That'd break the game, so AI wouldn't allow it. And by far the simplest way of doing that is...not making these so-called "little hints" useful.
this flavor gamging is stupid.
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So there is no way that after 43 you could have identified his scum signals and worked on changing them?
We all know what assuming does.
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that makes no sense.
Tez as scum is way to careful
he isn't being careful in this game.
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The tension in the air grows thick as tezzeret12 and Cyouni face each other off. Neither makes a move, surveying his opponent for any sign of weakness. Just as the feeling of animosity becomes unbearable, Cyouni issues a guttural grunt and turns away, apparently completely unimpressed by his rival. At this slight, tezzeret12 loses self-control and leaps on Cyouni's back, attempting to strangle him in a fit of madness. It takes several others to pry the two apart, but tezzeret12 still fights to get at Cyouni, teeth bared and spittle flying. Aside from a few bruises on Cyouni's throat and tezzeret12's bloody lip, neither is harmed, though everyone still eyes tezzeret12 warily. Some suspect him of being one of the abominations, but others are quite aware that even the purest souls can become psychotic in the hollow metal core of Phyrexia.
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The Ice King (2): vezokpiraka, Chibi C'thulhu
Roja (2): Yanni, tezzeret12
tezzeret12 (2): Cyouni, tordeck
vezokpiraka (1): Horseshoe_Hermit
Yanni (1): Roja
Not Voting (6): The Ice King, Digicooldad, The_Muffin_Man, Shalako, kill-joy, Deathjoey
With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to lynch.
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I said that my flavor said that TIK was one who killed kpaca. If a certain game finishes I could tell you something about what I think of the flavor.
It doesn't mean TIK killed kpaca. It means that TIK was one of the killers. As in a scum.
Just to state it again: My result said not-town and my flavor strongly implied he is scum.
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well now that you've confirme that I'm fine with guilty testing
unvote, Vote: The Ice King
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Shalako's FAKE multivote got Chibi to reveal his role.. I don't find that action to be all town friendly.. It appears to be someone who is looking for information from the other team..
None, but i'll address this later in this post.
Question, why is Chibi on your post here when it looks like you scorned me for suggesting it in my next post?
You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
Actually I can get behind a Roja vote. Only as long as you Yanni are the one to hammer.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
This makes me feel ok about a tezz vote in the near future. Since his play in Basic 43 has come up, I will point out that he tried to use my real life obligations to paint me as scum as well. (He thought I was lying about having buttloads of hw).
And he was scum that game. I see no reason for him to do it again as scum in this game.
This is actually a REALLY good point.
This is a good point as well.
In all the clamor of the vezok/TIK dichotomy, we totally forgot about the Art/vez one. The more people say about vez, the more I don't think he's town.
My mind is made up. Vote Vezok.
Daykill Tezzeret12 x999999999999999999999999.
I've had enough of this.
Quotes in blog.
First of all:
Here's the hurricane.
Secondly, I don't doubt you mean it. As town, you're supposed to mean it. As scum, you're supposed to think you mean it. And yes you were. It was a terrible argument and when I confronted you with the fact that you did many of the things you accused me of, you decided to ignore those claims and continue with your bad argument.
You're acting just like you did in 43.
WHAT
ARE YOU DOING
ASDADFSGDDGAFGSFDFSDGFADFGAF
The game action that you have attempted to - blah blah blah
Don't AI's feelings count here?
Basic 43, eh....
Look, this is really simple. vezok is a total liar. He lied. And it's a bs lie - a 'stop paying attention to Truth' lie - not a "believe something false" lie. He has such a vicious focus on this one player's death, he garbled his lie, he hasn't even got it in him to fake the mindset anymore. He's totally given up and is just going through the motions of flail to avoid prod, maybe on the offchance scum can get someone to say or do something ignorant.
*Still* he flails about this flavour kpaca bull****. You know who else is flavour gaming? tezz. And hey, you know who else wanted us to devour the dichotomy like we didn't understand as good as him? tezz. Oh crap, I'm deflecting my own lynch. YOU MAKE IT SO EASY.
I wandered from the point and now I'm telling you to get back to the facts. vezok dies, and then there were 3.
A few last things:
/acknowledge Shalako's PC troubles.
Cyouni, my statement was not a request. Say something about Yanni.
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Thank you for spewing info into the thread. I was kidding.
Right.
AI YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO FAKE KILLING TEXT OR WHATEVER, SAVE YOURSELF TIME.
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Lol
my entire argument is "fluffy stuff"
you're obviously scum
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Yeah, no. There is no way I'm believing you now.
@tezzeret:
Please get lynched tomorrow.
Simple: this is not a Basic game. (Although some people are playing as though it is.)
People are better players. (Theoretically.)
I notice that you are still unable to answer why you'd attack me and claim I'm scum when you apparently believed I was town at the time.
@Horseshoe_Hermit:
I did, and have done so on numerous occasions.
Problem's that it's no fun ripping apart someone's arguments when they can't realize their arguments are being shredded. I rip it to shreds and he manages to walk on as though it's intact.
I'll get to him after vezok and tezz. They're higher priority, and a lot more fun to attack since they're not ignoring me.
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I have no words to describe how bad Roja is brushing away my arugments.
Reread time for Vezok
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These two posts bother me the most
Vote: Vezokpiraka
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Wait, what?
I'll deal with all this later. Right now, we need to hang your scumbuddy.
Eh? What's eh about it?
And I shall do the same.
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I'm making a note of this for later.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModCould you make that backpedal look any more scummy?
Wow.
Just wow.
I can't believe this.
I rescind my previous statements.
Unvote Vote: Vezok
Yeah, but he claimed that he can tell who is scum and now only says he can find "non-town"
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModOh, and what was vezok's 'explanation' again? "I was told TIK actually killed kpaca, but it doesn't mean he killed kpaca, it just means he's a member of the scum team." Yeah, right.
When your scumbuddy flips, watching you squirm tomorrow will be so amusing.
No, I read that. It helped me realize that you're play here really really reminds me of Seance.
But it needs to wait, as we have more important matters.
Do you think this conversation is more important than TIK/Vez?
Please lynch TIK tomorrow and cyounni the next day.
Also to all the townies that lynched me. You are listening to Cyounni and what he is saying. You are not thinking for yourself.
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Without warning, The_Muffin_Man rounds on tezzeret12, swinging his deadly weapon at his foe's head. Picking up a shield dropped by a fallen Mirran, tezzeret12 deflects the blow. However, the force of the impact shatters the shield, and tezzeret12 is suddenly at The_Muffin_Man's mercy. But to the surprise of all, The_Muffin_Man extends a hand and pulls tezzeret12 to his feet. Within a few moments, discussions resume, and it is as if the altercation had never happened.
The_Muffin_Man's Daykill attempt failed.
Vote Count 23
vezokpiraka (5): Horseshoe_Hermit, Roja, kill-joy, Yanni, Chibi C'thulhu
tezzeret12 (2): Cyouni, tordeck
The Ice King (1): vezokpiraka
Roja (1): tezzeret12
Not Voting (5): The Ice King, Digicooldad, The_Muffin_Man, Shalako, Deathjoey
With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to lynch.
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The clear dicomity between Vezok and tik wants me to vote for Vezok because he cc'd art, and his slips when describg tik
it bothers me to do end after a reread instead of just skimming
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My posting will probably be cut down a little bit because of this and school.
I'll try and keep up with 1-4 posts per day.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModFirst, Shalako. Also, people who got caught by Irene.
Second, what do you not understand about short days are beneficial to scum?
@vezok:
First, one N in username.
Second, Guildpact Mafia shows that not all scum are involved in NKs.
Third, about two people out of 5 have been influenced by something I said, and also took a look for themselves.
Four. flail more. Preferably tell us your scumbuddies while you're at it.
@tezzeret:
Implying that I'm scum - only scum would want to mislynch.
And unless you're suddenly admitting to wanting to kill town, the same applies here.
So, any more convenient 'forgetting'?
Actually, yes.
"X actually happened, but it didn't really happen."
Anything like that is a self-contradiction of such massive proportions that there are no words for it. Any 'explanation' is simply fluff used to disguise that fact.
@Yanni: The posts you quoted were a while ago, and you were perfectly happy voting for The Ice King in the meantime.
It's nothing new, I did claim "yes" to a weapon.
*proceeds to read everything under the quoted post*
Quotes in blog.
I skimm lots
and I generally give Vezok the benefit of the doubt with English not being his first language.
In this case, whith multiple slips, I'm fine with lynchin Vezok at this point.
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Of course you're fine with lynching vezok.
You'd probably be fine with anyone,
As long as its not you. Or tezz... =/
why do you do absolutely nothing all game, then make commentsl ike these with absolutely no back up too them?
Vezok has slipped, and he CC'd Art who was (probably ) the real cop.
How about, you know, do something instead of lurking all day long?
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Real cop? REAL COP?
Are you even reading the ****ing flips?
He flipped METAL COP. HE SAID HE DETECTS METAL BEINGS.
OMFG Yanni you are just a sheep that likes to post a lot.
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What normal has a real cop and a role cop variant in it?
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