I am Geth, Lord of the Vault, Town Coroner.
Once per night, I can get a copy of target dead player's card.
I liked phyrexian rule. With all the in-fighting, I was able to build power. When Karn escaped, the praetors united, and all my allies left me. My goal is to make the Preators pay.
So yeah, there might not be reveal on death.
/Discuss.
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I hate hate hate this. I mean HH's a reasonably safe lynch, as if he's really what he says he is, we won't miss him until a possible late-game situation. Also, could just be a silly, flavor easy false claim. I am getting this creeping feeling this feels very, very familiar. *coughastonotgetmodkilledcough*
GAWDAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, let me rephrase: Did you send AsianInvasion, the mod, a PM asking him if you claim was going to be ok to post to the thread? Or asking him what you could and could not say. This is your first game, and you speak in cryptic sarcasm sometimes, so I need to be clear.
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Are you mason with the mod?! lolbroken.
Shalako either makes me happy but confused, or want to simultaneously laugh and rage the hardest I've laughed or raged.
Depending on what that vote is.
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Shalako either makes me happy but confused, or want to simultaneously laugh and rage the hardest I've laughed or raged.
Depending on what that vote is.
He's saying that if you quote your pm without permission its against the rules and you could get modkilled cuz of it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He's saying that if you quote your pm without permission its against the rules and you could get modkilled cuz of it.
Did you get permission before claiming?
That's not exactly worded correctly. I got this one KJ.
I'm asking him if he formulated his post claim, sent it in PM, received a return PM, and then posted his claim.
This is actually an important detail I want answered.
@Horseshoe: this is an important detail. Please answer me. Did you formulate this claim and have it approved? Or did you just post it without checking?
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Like please for the love of god someone unvote right now before he gets mislynched. Why the **** would a scum player out themselves on a lie in such a fashion.
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We're waiting on people to not counterclaim me. Then mod not modkilling me will be your answer.
I don't like the idea of talking about the mod inside the game.
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Like I just do not understand why we lynch someone who claims to direct ALL abilities to himself. You guys realize he can be confirmed/denied tomorrow right?
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...all you want. This isn't theater. The mod is a moving part like any other. Its just bad form to game the mod.
That's NOT what I'm asking, though. I want to know if you sent him a message and received a reply, and then posted your info.
It really is a simple question, and if you are town, you will answer it. If you don't I will vote you.
If you get lynched and are town, you are helping the scum win the game. Please answer the question.
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DO NOT VOTE HORSESHOE HERMIT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE ASKED THE MOD BEFORE HE CLAIMED, AND HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS HIS FIRST GAME.
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Like I just do not understand why we lynch someone who claims to direct ALL abilities to himself. You guys realize he can be confirmed/denied tomorrow right?
That's not what I explained. Reread.
It can't be confirmed that easily.
As Artifice said, I'm still a pretty safe lynch. That's why I hated to have to claim, since a redirector is so versatile, if I could just get good targets.
I posted that info myself. I didn't quote it.
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DO NOT VOTE HORSESHOE HERMIT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE ASKED THE MOD BEFORE HE CLAIMED, AND HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS HIS FIRST GAME.
I have reason for it to matter. I still want him to answer.EWP: I am satified. In the mean time, you (kpaca) are entirely right. He can be confirmed tomorrow by using his ability and telling us who he is planning on using it on. Lets work that out later.
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@Horseshoe: honesty and clarity helps town. When we can not lynch town players, we gain incremental advantage in the form of voting power. Think of it as disambiguating card wordings, something I hear you are good at (and something I find mystifying give the way you post :D).
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And regardless, with you claim we in no way should lynch you today.
Agreed. Have I mentioned new players drive me a little batty?
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I strongly urge the town players on HH's wagon to unvote and join us in voting tezzeret12.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
That, in general, will completely screw scum over.
@Horseshoe_Hermit: What my post said was that tezzeret did the same thing I noted pinkfloyd for, ie. looking for town approval. Pinkfloyd's worse overall, but since everyone's ignoring him for some reason, I'm willing to settle for tezz.
Yeah, self-redirecter makes no sense as scum. And if he is scum, we'll be able to out him, and he also can't redirect my vig shot onto someone else, or we will know.
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He's not claiming Jobie's role from Return like you thought he was.
He's a redirecter. He's scum.
He bricked his false-claim.
He was fishing for a CC with his bullet-proof claim.
He is getting lynched today.
You of all people should know from M11 Mafia that AsianInvasion is a literalist. By that I mean, Gideon being a self redirector makes PERFECT sense for an AI role. So yeah, back to behavioral.
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A new player claims God-Damn Redirecter and you guys see that as a reason to unvote.
What the hell.
So let me get this straight: The guy who claims Coroner and Geth, your fine letting go, but when someone claims a legit town role, you want to run him up?
So let me get this straight: The guy who claims Coroner and Geth, your fine letting go, but when someone claims a legit town role, you want to run him up?
FoS Shalako
The role he claimed was essentially, lightning rod. That is definitely a pro-town role.
Whoops.
You're his scumbuddy that suggested the self redirector claim?
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Step 5. Stop ignoring behavior.
Step 6. Stop Mud-slinging.
Ok. Vote tezzeret12.
And he's a Self-redirector, according to what he says.
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He is a weaker version of one, but his role acts similarily to that. If he was a full blown lightning rod, he probably would have just claimed lightning rod.
[QUOTE]Step 2. Learn what a Redirecter is.
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Step 3. Learn what respective side those roles are on.
Lightning rod, the role, is a pro-town role, redirecter I have seen on both sides. Redirecter to self, I have never seen as a mafia role.
Step 4. Stop Mod Gaming.
Step 5. Stop ignoring behavior.
I never ignore behavior.
Step 6. Stop Mud-slinging.
If you really think this is mudslinging, you haven't seen anything from me.
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You're his scumbuddy that suggested the self redirector claim?
:rolleyes:. Clearly... and then when I saw it wasn't working, I made sure to tie myself to him really well.
Like please for the love of god someone unvote right now before he gets mislynched. Why the **** would a scum player out themselves on a lie in such a fashion.
He knew he was going down. Falseclaimed (trying to out someone) a minor role that just might let him get by because there might not be that role in the game. But the push for him to full claim screwed that.
Like I just do not understand why we lynch someone who claims to direct ALL abilities to himself. You guys realize he can be confirmed/denied tomorrow right?
Didn't he say one player not all? Wow Kpaca your pushing hard now.
I strongly urge the town players on HH's wagon to unvote and join us in voting tezzeret12.
No. So we can get him to claim and then move on? Scum are doing a good job getting claims. Did you notice HH suggested a massclaim? Thats all their after is outing as many as they can. Lets ignore behavior and rely on roles.
Noob scum really are the only people who lie about role. See JTM Basic 38, and DCD in his first game (IIRC) and several other examples. Vote stands.
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No. So we can get him to claim and then move on? Scum are doing a good job getting claims. Did you notice HH suggested a massclaim? Thats all their after is outing as many as they can. Lets ignore behavior and rely on roles.
I've noticed everything that HH has done. Matter fact, I've got 4 roles locked up at the moment if everyone is telling the truth (my own being one of them) and I don't care.
I refuse to lynch a role that can be easily verified by way of interaction with other roles later (there have to be other targeting night roles in this set-up, right?).
And did you just say we should ignore behavior? Really? Why are you in such a hurry?
EWP: @Reya: and newb town don't panic and do dumb things that make no sense? I think this being his first game it is possible he doesn't realize you can still will win and die in the same game. Again also, he's verifiable at a later stage of the game. We are not lynching Horseshoe_Hermit today. I would sooner lynch Chibi.
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So I had this softclaim idea. Kicking it around for Day 2. I blame kpaca. I'll discuss it then, I suppose. Random thought is random.
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It sort of fits Gideon's flavor.
It took him so long to claim I have a feeling that he is not acting alone in the claim.
HH
Why did you lie about being bullet proof?
Before that: (This is all from memory. You can check out our posts before that for verification if you wish) He said the reason he made the no reveals slip was because he saw a bunch of strategies that hinged on a reveal on death scenario. When I asked him for proof of these strategies, (Post 1229). Also read 1230 and HH's EWP on 1233.
He's COMPLETELY full of scum. Let's lynch him please.
The Fn mafia are laughing their asses off. HH just got caught in a lie and we're moving on? Just wow.
He knew he was going down. Falseclaimed (trying to out someone) a minor role that just might let him get by because there might not be that role in the game. But the push for him to full claim screwed that.
Didn't he say one player not all? Wow Kpaca your pushing hard now.
Neither does a townie lying during a claim.
No. So we can get him to claim and then move on? Scum are doing a good job getting claims. Did you notice HH suggested a massclaim? Thats all their after is outing as many as they can. Lets ignore behavior and rely on roles.
Yep, still scum. How was HH caught in a lie? He admitted to fibbing about being bulletproof. Townies lie during claims all the time, its generally a late game strat. See Sepiriel's lie in Conflux that essentially won the game. Kpaca's pushing hard so we don't lynch someone who is town. I know that is a hard concept.
Agree with Kpaca, one of the 3 players remaining who has free will and can use their brain. His lie was actually pretty interesting, since it showed who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting.
Yanni is scum for pushing for a quick hammer, then backpedaling.
Shalako is scum for a contentless vote near lynch status.
Vezok is not playing his "i have no idea lets do fun stuff" town game, he's playing his "i know everything so i can be condecending" scum game.
Need to honestly re-read the tezzy case. Will do so asap.
Vezok is not playing his "i have no idea lets do fun stuff" town game, he's playing his "i know everything so i can be condecending" scum game.
/barn barn barn (I've been saying this since the beginning).
The other parts, I'm listening, but I'm not sure. I think Shalako is just being bullheaded at this point.
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Have I not provided enough reasons for why HH is scum for you?
Have you forgotten who formed this ****ing wagon?
Pink Floyd should appreciate this.
You and I did. And here's the thing. I'm really saying we should let it go. You made the PBPA, I cast the first vote.
You should really vote tezzeret12, like you kept vacillating about while Horseshoe was holding off on claiming. I'm not understanding your unwillingness to consider it at this point.
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Do you just come into every game now with this mentality? It's getting old.
How was HH caught in a lie? He admitted to fibbing about being bulletproof.
He had to admitt because Art and a few others would not let him off the hook. So to say he was not caught and fluff it up with "fibbing" is a joke. FOS Arcadic
Kpaca's pushing hard so we don't lynch someone who is town. I know that is a hard concept.
He wants to lynch Tezz. Which I bet you will jump on.
Agree with Kpaca, one of the 3 players remaining who has free will and can use their brain. His lie was actually pretty interesting, since it showed who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting.
And which subset of players are we talking about? That is, of whom does it give some evidence about "who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting"?
kpaca, what do you think about this part I've bolded?
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And which subset of players are we talking about? That is, of whom does it give some evidence about "who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting"?
kpaca, what do you think about this part I've bolded?
I would like an answer to these, as well.
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I hate hate hate this. I mean HH's a reasonably safe lynch, as if he's really what he says he is, we won't miss him until a possible late-game situation. Also, could just be a silly, flavor easy false claim. I am getting this creeping feeling this feels very, very familiar. *coughastonotgetmodkilledcough*
GAWDAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
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Are you mason with the mod?! lolbroken.
Shalako either makes me happy but confused, or want to simultaneously laugh and rage the hardest I've laughed or raged.
Depending on what that vote is.
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He's saying that if you quote your pm without permission its against the rules and you could get modkilled cuz of it.
Did you get permission before claiming?
I'm asking him if he formulated his post claim, sent it in PM, received a return PM, and then posted his claim.
This is actually an important detail I want answered.
@Horseshoe: this is an important detail. Please answer me. Did you formulate this claim and have it approved? Or did you just post it without checking?
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I don't like the idea of talking about the mod inside the game.
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* Artifice 101 kicks the mod in the shins, again.
...all you want. This isn't theater. The mod is a moving part like any other. Its just bad form to game the mod.
That's NOT what I'm asking, though. I want to know if you sent him a message and received a reply, and then posted your info.
It really is a simple question, and if you are town, you will answer it. If you don't I will vote you.
If you get lynched and are town, you are helping the scum win the game. Please answer the question.
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That's not what I explained. Reread.
It can't be confirmed that easily.
As Artifice said, I'm still a pretty safe lynch. That's why I hated to have to claim, since a redirector is so versatile, if I could just get good targets.
I posted that info myself. I didn't quote it.
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I have reason for it to matter. I still want him to answer.EWP: I am satified. In the mean time, you (kpaca) are entirely right. He can be confirmed tomorrow by using his ability and telling us who he is planning on using it on. Lets work that out later.Vote tezzeret12
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@Horseshoe: honesty and clarity helps town. When we can not lynch town players, we gain incremental advantage in the form of voting power. Think of it as disambiguating card wordings, something I hear you are good at (and something I find mystifying give the way you post :D).
Agreed. Have I mentioned new players drive me a little batty?
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Horseshoe_Hermit (8): vezokpiraka, pinkfloyd, kill-joy, Archmage Eternal, tezzeret12, Yanni, Reya Cookiebringer, Shalako
Yanni (3): tordeck, Deathjoey, Roja
tezzeret12 (4): kpaca, The Ice King, Cyouni, Artifice 101
pinkfloyd (1): The_Muffin_Man
Artifice 101 (1): Digicooldad
Archmage Eternal (1): Arcadic
Not Voting (3): Horseshoe_Hermit, Chibi C'thulhu
With 20 alive, it's 11 votes to lynch.
I strongly urge the town players on HH's wagon to unvote and join us in voting tezzeret12.
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I don't like this... But Unvote. but I need to read up on tezz before voting him. Also I'm on my phone and I hate posting on my phone. Lol
What the hell.
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He's not claiming Jobie's role from Return like you thought he was.
He's a redirecter. He's scum.
He bricked his false-claim.
He was fishing for a CC with his bullet-proof claim.
He is getting lynched today.
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I don't line that he's the second maybescum to be saved by a claim. But we need to check validity of the claim, one would think.
I don't believe it personally but he can live for now, I think.
When he's lying we will lynch him.
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That, in general, will completely screw scum over.
@Horseshoe_Hermit: What my post said was that tezzeret did the same thing I noted pinkfloyd for, ie. looking for town approval. Pinkfloyd's worse overall, but since everyone's ignoring him for some reason, I'm willing to settle for tezz.
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HH's claim seems legit unless someone else claims against
LOL
So let me get this straight: The guy who claims Coroner and Geth, your fine letting go, but when someone claims a legit town role, you want to run him up?
FoS Shalako
The role he claimed was essentially, lightning rod. That is definitely a pro-town role.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Whoops.
You're his scumbuddy that suggested the self redirector claim?
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Step 3. Learn what respective side those roles are on.
Step 4. Stop Mod Gaming.
Step 5. Stop ignoring behavior.
Step 6. Stop Mud-slinging.
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And he's a Self-redirector, according to what he says.
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This is why we should lynch HH
I'm not voting for Tez he's so obv town it hurts. (more on that later)
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Lightning rod, the role, is a pro-town role, redirecter I have seen on both sides. Redirecter to self, I have never seen as a mafia role.
I never ignore behavior.
If you really think this is mudslinging, you haven't seen anything from me.
:rolleyes:. Clearly... and then when I saw it wasn't working, I made sure to tie myself to him really well.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
He knew he was going down. Falseclaimed (trying to out someone) a minor role that just might let him get by because there might not be that role in the game. But the push for him to full claim screwed that.
Didn't he say one player not all? Wow Kpaca your pushing hard now.
Neither does a townie lying during a claim.
No. So we can get him to claim and then move on? Scum are doing a good job getting claims. Did you notice HH suggested a massclaim? Thats all their after is outing as many as they can. Lets ignore behavior and rely on roles.
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I refuse to lynch a role that can be easily verified by way of interaction with other roles later (there have to be other targeting night roles in this set-up, right?).
And did you just say we should ignore behavior? Really?
EWP: @Reya: and newb town don't panic and do dumb things that make no sense? I think this being his first game it is possible he doesn't realize you can still will win and die in the same game. Again also, he's verifiable at a later stage of the game. We are not lynching Horseshoe_Hermit today. I would sooner lynch Chibi.
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That was being sarcastic because thats exactly what you guys are doing.
2 claims by two scummy players, and we're moving on.:rolleyes:
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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Attempt to lynch before discussion.
Super-hard backpedal without unvote.
The Towniest vote on the wagon.
Scum
Scum
No, you have time to spam post but you don't have time to tell me in 1 line why tezz is town?
Yep, still scum. How was HH caught in a lie? He admitted to fibbing about being bulletproof. Townies lie during claims all the time, its generally a late game strat. See Sepiriel's lie in Conflux that essentially won the game. Kpaca's pushing hard so we don't lynch someone who is town. I know that is a hard concept.
Agree with Kpaca, one of the 3 players remaining who has free will and can use their brain. His lie was actually pretty interesting, since it showed who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting.
Yanni is scum for pushing for a quick hammer, then backpedaling.
Shalako is scum for a contentless vote near lynch status.
Vezok is not playing his "i have no idea lets do fun stuff" town game, he's playing his "i know everything so i can be condecending" scum game.
Need to honestly re-read the tezzy case. Will do so asap.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
The other parts, I'm listening, but I'm not sure. I think Shalako is just being bullheaded at this point.
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Oh am I'm sorry.
Have I not provided enough reasons for why HH is scum for you?
Have you forgotten who formed this ****ing wagon?
Pink Floyd should appreciate this.
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You should really vote tezzeret12, like you kept vacillating about while Horseshoe was holding off on claiming. I'm not understanding your unwillingness to consider it at this point.
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seriously.
same play as basic 41.
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This must be what Cyan feels like all the time.
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Do you just come into every game now with this mentality? It's getting old.
He had to admitt because Art and a few others would not let him off the hook. So to say he was not caught and fluff it up with "fibbing" is a joke. FOS Arcadic
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yup. Run up a scummy person. Get a claim. Jump on the next wagon. Shampoo, rinse, repeat.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yea
I'm totally backpedaling :rollseyes:
So when arey ou going to jump on your buddy's new wagon?
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And which subset of players are we talking about? That is, of whom does it give some evidence about "who really wanted his lynch, and who was town, and who was just voting to be voting"?
kpaca, what do you think about this part I've bolded?
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It sounds like you are /barning Archmage and arguing against Arcadic's recent post. Is that correct?
I would like an answer to these, as well.
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