MTG Salvation

Thanks, Az.

I don't really see any downside to this spreadsheet existing, if the effort needed to maintain it is minimal.

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Yes, that's fine. They can be added when they are playing.

No, I won't.

I'm happy to maintain this spreadsheet if the council thinks it's useful (or to cede control of it to them, obviously, if they want.) Az, you seem to think it's overkill - I'll shut it down if you ask. I just thought that, since it would take minimal effort, you might want to see it before you say no

If you'd really like to do it, that's fine by me. I simply don't want to put a gun to someone's head to do this spreadsheet thing that probably won't pay any dividends. But I certainly won't stand in anyone's way if they're chomping at the bit to do it.

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If you'd really like to do it, that's fine by me. I simply don't want to put a gun to someone's head to do this spreadsheet thing that probably won't pay any dividends. But I certainly won't stand in anyone's way if they're chomping at the bit to do it.

I have no problem making one and keeping it up to date. It more or less would have to be up to someone with mod privileges is due to keeping up with the gimmicks.

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If you'd really like to do it, that's fine by me. I simply don't want to put a gun to someone's head to do this spreadsheet thing that probably won't pay any dividends. But I certainly won't stand in anyone's way if they're chomping at the bit to do it.

If it's not worth my time in your opinion I won't bother. I was simply trying to be helpful and show that it wouldn't take much time.

Moderator discression and user transparancy is all that is really needed here. I've had a time where i was in 4 games but it was an emergency type situation that Atlseal approved because he needed the replacement that bad.

Hard cap it at 3 but allow for a mod to accept a player with 3+ games if he really wants to play the game and the mod thinks he can handle it. 5 should never happen unless in dire situations.

I personally like the current rules. 3 games isn't particularly limiting, and in the case of players like Iso who are able to keep track of 10 games at once, there's still the option of replacing into games. This also has the side effect of increasing the likelihood of people replacing in, preventing modkills.

This rule is not broken and I see no significant improvement in fixing it.

Wait, there is a cap of 3 games per person? When did that start?

I fail to see why it is necessary for this to be an 'enforced rule'. Every sign up thread should require that the people applying for the game state how many games they are currently in total. If the Mod feels like someone is in too many, they can just not include that person. And this is a small community, it is well known who posts frequently/who lurks alot/who repeatedly requests replacement(or is forced out).

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Wait, there is a cap of 3 games per person? When did that start?

I fail to see why it is necessary for this to be an 'enforced rule'. Every sign up thread should require that the people applying for the game state how many games they are currently in total. If the Mod feels like someone is in too many, they can just not include that person. And this is a small community, it is well known who posts frequently/who lurks alot/who repeatedly requests replacement(or is forced out).

How would you apply this rule to people using gimmicks? It seems to be accepted that it's okay to use a gimmick to disguise your identity in games as long as you inform the mod and don't break rules. (Some exceptions exist - I know, for example, that kpaca doesn't really care.) If I have to tell you that I'm in two games, but people only see me playing in one, won't that let people just PoE my gimmick and identify me?

Of course, if you said "by not letting people use gimmicks to conceal their identities in Mafia except for specific game reasons like when required by a mod," then that would be a different story altogether.

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Wait, there is a cap of 3 games per person? When did that start?

I fail to see why it is necessary for this to be an 'enforced rule'. Every sign up thread should require that the people applying for the game state how many games they are currently in total. If the Mod feels like someone is in too many, they can just not include that person. And this is a small community, it is well known who posts frequently/who lurks alot/who repeatedly requests replacement(or is forced out).

The rule has been around for ages, it just never was enforced. I also believe that this is the correct solution. I think that its obvious that a mod should allow a prolific poster in at 4 games, because even if they post less, its still much more frequent than allowing a lurker like me to be in 4 games. (Though I am pretty sure I was in 4 on this site at some point).

I think gimmicks are a bit dumb, and catering the rules to them seems like its favoring them too heavily. Besides, couldnt you get around this by posting as the gimmick saying you are in 2 games and playing through that account? I mean the number of people playing in 1 game isnt exactly small enough to completely guess who you are.

People forget (or weren't around) that back in the day, we didn't run as many games and games would fill up almost immediately, and the same people would be signing up for every game. That's not terrible in and of itself, but it caused some frustration for people who kept getting left on the outside. Sometimes there would be weeks (or longer) that would go by between new game sign-ups. That was one reason for the game cap.

And there definitely is an affect on play when someone is playing across multiple games. I know it's perfectly possible to participate in more than 3 at a time, and have done it myself (again, back in the day) but I still think the limit as far as games on this site is a reasonable one. Exceptions can certainly be made - for replacements, or when a game is having trouble filling - but 3 does not seems especially limiting.

Gimmicks are kind of on the Honor system. We obviously can't enforce that, but you shouldn't be creating gimmicks just to get into additional games. You can always go play on Mafiascum or something if you still need that fix.

Read this post, then read his custom title.

It's true. It's all true.

I'd like to welcome Atlseal, Asianinvasion, and Ecophagy to the Mafia Council.

A spot may be waiting for Cyan if his activity picks up again, but I think the new team is going to do a wonderful job keeping up our momentum and bringing solid changes down the pipes. Congrats!

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I'd like to welcome Atlseal, Asianinvasion, and Ecophagy to the Mafia Council.

A spot may be waiting for Cyan if his activity picks up again, but I think the new team is going to do a wonderful job keeping up our momentum and bringing solid changes down the pipes. Congrats!

Allow me to be the first to say Congratulations!!!

Am I still responsible for all things secretary-like?

Congrats, atlseal, AsianInvasion, and Ecophagy! I'm sure you'll be excellent additions to the team.

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Allow me to be the first to say Congratulations!!!

Am I still responsible for all things secretary-like?

Of course.

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I'd like to welcome Atlseal, Asianinvasion, and Ecophagy to the Mafia Council.

A spot may be waiting for Cyan if his activity picks up again, but I think the new team is going to do a wonderful job keeping up our momentum and bringing solid changes down the pipes. Congrats!

Sweet! Good team is good. Congrat's gents!

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Allow me to be the first to say Congratulations!!!

Am I still responsible for all things secretary-like?

I for one would like to thank you for the work you do in this volunteer task as well. I'm of the opinion you are an unsung hero in this sub'.

I agree with Artifice, all hail the hardworking Manders! She does do a lot for us and I wouldn't mind helping her if that was within the realm of possibility. After all, I spend more time playing Mafia than I do anything else, sans school and work.

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I agree with Artifice, all hail the hardworking Manders! She does do a lot for us and I wouldn't mind helping her if that was within the realm of possibility. After all, I spend more time playing Mafia than I do anything else, sans school and work.

I'd be receptive to this. Manders, what do you think?

*sounds Mafia conch shell*

Council team, ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys. I hope to serve the subforum as well as it has served me.

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I'd be receptive to this. Manders, what do you think?

I am absolutely receptive to Iso being an assistant. I sometimes find myself away for long periods.

In that case, can I be the official Co-Secretary of the subforum?

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In that case, can I be the official Co-Secretary of the subforum?

More like 'Secretary to the Secretary of the Mafia Council'.

Your mom was a secretary.

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In that case, can I be the official Co-Secretary of the subforum?

Manders, feel free to take it from here.

Can I have a pretty blue title, too? (Manders says yes.)

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Can I have a pretty blue title, too? (Manders says yes.)

I was scratching my head over how Annorax engineered that, haven't found it yet. It's different from how he did the Mafia Council title.

EDIT: Figured it out.

Thanks again, Az!

I'll talk to Manders about my responsibilities.

Az, I seem to have lost my ability to send/receive messages and post in or view any threads as Iso now...

I for one welcome our new Mafia overlords.

I can't think of better additions, really.

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Az, I seem to have lost my ability to send/receive messages and post in or view any threads as Iso now...

Well that will teach you to request pretty blue titles.

How about now?

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I'd like to welcome Atlseal, Asianinvasion, and Ecophagy to the Mafia Council.

A spot may be waiting for Cyan if his activity picks up again, but I think the new team is going to do a wonderful job keeping up our momentum and bringing solid changes down the pipes. Congrats!

Congrats you guys! I know AI is a great game-mod and never seen him lose his head at all.

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Well that will teach you to request pretty blue titles.

How about now?

I wanted to feel special. </3

All fixed, though. Thanks.

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More like 'Secretary to the Secretary of the Mafia Council'.

INT: MAFIA COUNCIL THREAD

Iso: Assistant Mafia Secretary?

Cyan: Assistant to the Mafia Secretary.

Iso: Ok, but those are like the same thing.

Cyan (quickly): No, they're not.

(Iso stares into the camera, obviously embarassed.)

SCENE

I like mine better because it sounds more official and like I have more power that way. ;o

I stand by my initial nominations.

AS MY FIRST ACT AS SECRETARY, I WILL EVICT YOU ALL FROM MY PROPERTY.

GET OFF MY LAWN.

Secondly, Manders started something she wants me to finish, so I'll be working on that as soon as she sends me the list.

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AS MY FIRST ACT AS SECRETARY, I WILL EVICT YOU ALL FROM MY PROPERTY.

GET OFF MY LAWN.

Secondly, Manders started something she wants me to finish, so I'll be working on that as soon as she sends me the list.

Luckily I have protection from Seppels.

Also luckily Iso is a Seppel.



I guess I should say congrats or something like that, right?

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I guess I should say congrats or something like that, right?

Good job to all the people who...did good jobs? Something? Yay.

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I guess I should say congrats or something like that, right?

Dont give Iso congrats, he must be groomed to be an emotionless mafia machine. Any emotion will wreck his fragile mind and undo all the work Manders has done up until now.

Congrats to AI, atlseal (your name confuses the boulder), and other person who is on the council that my mind forgets who may or may not be Eco.

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I'd like to welcome Atlseal, Asianinvasion, and Ecophagy to the Mafia Council.

The money has been left in an unmarked leather briefcase, exactly as we discussed.

Thanks for the congratulations everyone, and I'd like to echo the mad props for Manders for her secretary work!

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AS MY FIRST ACT AS SECRETARY, I WILL EVICT YOU ALL FROM MY PROPERTY.

GET OFF MY LAWN.

Secondly, Manders started something she wants me to finish, so I'll be working on that as soon as she sends me the list.

Oh, Lord, what have I done.

Thanks to everyone giving the props. Secretary's not a thankless job for me. I enjoy doing it, and helping the community.

And, I think you'll all appreciate this next project once Iso finishes it.

I cannot view the staff section of this subforum. :U

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I cannot view the staff section of this subforum. :U

That's because there is not a staff section of this subforum.

It's all done via PM.

But I definitely saw it when Az was messing around with the special blue title for me

And with that, I believe it is time for me to gracefully exit.

I have not been pulling my weight on the Council for some time, due to being generally busy, which has also affected my ability to play. I'm not "retiring" and I'm not leaving the forum or anything, but I am stepping down from any kind of official responsibility. I am certain the new people will do an excellent job of maintaining the forum.

Still availiable for reviewing games and such, just know that I'm not always prompt when getting back to people

It's been an honor.

Thanks for everything you've contributed, Axel!

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But I definitely saw it when Az was messing around with the special blue title for me

If it's the one for Mafia Mods, no, you don't get access to that.

If there's one for the Council, we don't have access to that.

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And with that, I believe it is time for me to gracefully exit.

I have not been pulling my weight on the Council for some time, due to being generally busy, which has also affected my ability to play. I'm not "retiring" and I'm not leaving the forum or anything, but I am stepping down from any kind of official responsibility. I am certain the new people will do an excellent job of maintaining the forum.

Still availiable for reviewing games and such, just know that I'm not always prompt when getting back to people

It's been an honor.

Thank you for everything you've helped with along the way.

Does this mean you'll start playing more?

Cause there's this awesome Batman game in sign-ups. You should check it out.

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The money has been left in an unmarked leather briefcase, exactly as we discussed.

One of these days, I swear, we'll finish that game we're working on.

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Thanks for the congratulations everyone, and I'd like to echo the mad props for Manders for her secretary work!

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Thanks for everything you've contributed, Axel!

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Cause there's this awesome Batman game in sign-ups. You should check it out.

Seriously, people need to /in for this game just so it can start already...