Either poggydude is a liar(and therefore some kind of cultist), or ZP is a liar(and is scum).
We do NOT have 2 sets of masons(or anything like it) in a mini. This is simply not believable.
Based on their attitude thus far, I believe that Poggy is the more likely of the two to be town. That's that.
So here's the difference between my mason chat and zuzu's: Mine's in my role pm and someone can confirm that(Not gonna out them yet but I got a trade off last night.)
I'm not saying that I think he faked the masonry. For one thing, this would mean he has some kind of role that can check whom a person has dossier traded with(and whether or not they accepted), which is really pointless..especially for scum.
Plus, the PM that he copied from RafK sounds exactly like something RafK would say.
I guess they could have both been scum and RafK was some kind of Death Godfather, but I sincerely hope that is not the case, and am not going to consider it as a real possibility.
Ultimately, as I said, I think that they just aren't confirmed town...and I can't see why he would say they were unless he is scum.
I guess they could have both been scum and RafK was some kind of Death Godfather, but I sincerely hope that is not the case, and am not going to consider it as a real possibility.
That would imply scum somehow didnt get their kill off and vig correctly hit a death godfather, let's just say if this is a realistic possibilty I don't know how this game made it past review.
Errm just reread zuzu's stuff, my vote on him is retarded unvote
errm, so far AI has been kinda unhelpful and won't give up his investigation info. I feel like we'd be getting pretty solid info if we lynched him and we'd be lynching a confirmed non-town player. Vote AI
So you agreed with me about how he probably can't be a mason, and then..unvoted?
That is an awfully suspect play. Maybe you're worried that he'll get lynched and actually flip town mason?
Okay, now I'm confused I thought you were saying that he is likely a mason? You said that's something rafk would say. And you said the possiblty that rafk being scum is ridiculous...So what are you saying
you believe that i got raf's pms and that i had mason discussion with him
based on modgaming only you don't believe we were confirmed to each other even though raf, who seems to be a suspicious frakker usually, was open with me and raf's only ability was to talk to me and allow me to vote
your modgaming point is even dumb, because i don't remember poggydude saying he and the half vampire would be confirmed to each other. there's a big difference between confirmed masons (with the drawback we can't use dossier trades to prove it) and people who can talk to each other if they can find each other.
wake up and smell the coffee cyan. you got no brakes but you can try to steer.
you say you were going to attack raf today if he lives. what were you going to say about him, that he was too townie?
have you noticed how the scum are hanging back and letting you run with this by yourself, and hoping you can bully enough people into a lynch. no-one but you could keep a straight face trying to say i'm scum.
wake up, smell the coffee, and learn to steer if you have no breaks
And since Cyan is town, it would be better suited for you to hunt these "scum [that] are hanging back" instead of picking fights.
i'm already voting malcolm. i'm at -1 or -2 i think, so excuse me for spending my time defending myself first. i'm not picking fights with cyan. he has picked me as his no-brakes target.
i also already made the full case on malcolm/kpaca: called raf scum yesterday and tried to act like he had inside information on it. not only defended manders but did that "she won't be lynched today and you're stupid for trying" thing. went from saying "kill ai", and explaining why we should kill ai even though he's neutral, to saying today we shouldn't kill ai, but not saying what changed. bs attacking me today with no reasons. everything he's done the entire game so far is scummy. what more can I say about malcolm? no-one has said i'm wrong about the stuff malcolm has done, like no-one has said anything i've done that's scummy.
And, to ask again: @Zuzu Petals / poggydude: do you guys have day talk?
i already answered you on this before. no. (maybe you missed my previous case on malcolm when you missed me answering this?)
oh, and the other longish pm i have from raf, which was the first one i got on night 0. if it helps. i wish i'd thought to ask for a pm from him which said something like "you're confirmed town to me dawg, and now i'll say something australian which u couldn't make up so they know it's really me" but too late now.
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Hi Zuzu. I don't know if you know me (and I won't ask, that hasn't been working well for me recently), so in case you don't, I've been around here for years and I'm Australian so keep that in mind if you're waiting for me to reply to a PM!
As I see it we should both offer trades to people for their Group so we can find a Deadmen member quicker. I'm going to offer a trade to Calvin, so if you pick pretty much anyone else that should be OK. So that it's not obvious we're after Group, I reckon we should ask for Group and something else. I'll ask for Group and Class, you should ask for Group and birthday or student number or Clubs or something.
Not much else to say. I really hope you're not into gambits and claiming early or anything like that, I think masons are best off as an ambush for scum in the late game rather than parading around as confirmed townies early on.
Anything you want to ask me, or you want to tell me?
i'm already voting malcolm. i'm at -1 or -2 i think, so excuse me for spending my time defending myself first. i'm not picking fights with cyan. he has picked me as his no-brakes target.
Calling Cyan a player with "no brakes" is not a prudent nor effective defense. It doesn't add anything to your case.
i already answered you on this before. no. (maybe you missed my previous case on malcolm when you missed me answering this?)
Calling Cyan a player with "no brakes" is not a prudent nor effective defense. It doesn't add anything to your case.
excuse me with being frustrated with him
also i'm sorry for calling people retards earlier. i know i shouldn't do that. just very upset, this game was going real well and then suddenly i have like ai going "die and take your ugly pink text with you" and i felt like wtf is wrong with people?
After reading back on Zuzu's posts, I'm happy with him. Much of his posts read as him just blindly following along with RafK, which is not the reaction you would see for someone that is scum with a town mason partner. It reads sincerely.
Unrelatedly, pink text is extremely obnoxious. The only thing more obnoxious is Zuzu's complete lack of effort when it comes to typing and speaking like a person with even a modicum of intelligence.
Sadly, that doesn't make a person scum. Just unpleasant. Unvote
After reading back on Zuzu's posts, I'm happy with him. Much of his posts read as him just blindly following along with RafK, which is not the reaction you would see for someone that is scum with a town mason partner. It reads sincerely.
Unrelatedly, pink text is extremely obnoxious. The only thing more obnoxious is Zuzu's complete lack of effort when it comes to typing and speaking like a person with even a modicum of intelligence.
Sadly, that doesn't make a person scum. Just unpleasant. Unvote
Time to just re-read whomever is left, I guess.
Maybe we could lynch kpaca before he incorrectly vigshots my ass
he could be a day shot SK...yeah if he's vig it's not the best play but if he's vig i think his target choice is downright awful...I've been down with his lynch all game. So in summary i think he's likely a day shot sk and on the off chance that he's town i dont feel too bad with this lynch considering his shot choice.
I'm skeptical at an SK that has to earn kills. I've suffered through that role(Camp whatever mafia by Loran), and it is abysmal.
With Kpaca pseudo-outing himself as some kind of killing role, I think we might as well just mass claim. Of the living players, we have information on half of them.
I'm skeptical at an SK that has to earn kills. I've suffered through that role(Camp whatever mafia by Loran), and it is abysmal.
With Kpaca pseudo-outing himself as some kind of killing role, I think we might as well just mass claim. Of the living players, we have information on half of them.
A mass-claim seems like a good idea because it's unlikely that anyone who's already claimed will be lynched today. In particular I want to hear more from Gigas1.
A mass-claim seems like a good idea because it's unlikely that anyone who's already claimed will be lynched today. In particular I want to hear more from Gigas1.
he could be a day shot SK...yeah if he's vig it's not the best play but if he's vig i think his target choice is downright awful...I've been down with his lynch all game. So in summary i think he's likely a day shot sk and on the off chance that he's town i dont feel too bad with this lynch considering his shot choice.
vote malcolm
Rather large amount of speculation off of almost zero information.
I am also against a mass claim. We have thusfar outed two masons, a neutral, a partial from falkonn, and maybe a vig? It may be half the living players, but there have been no abilities yet.
I'm finding it hard to take out the time to reread Zionite. Hopefully tomorrow I can make some time.
Regarding recent events, there was a lot said but not actually a whole lot of meat. Zuzu seems town to me. Those PM's seem spot on RafK, and I don't think that's easily forgeable, even if Zuzu is a gimmick of someone.
I'm not really sure what made people get off of falkonn but then the wagon wasn't great in the first place so I don't really mind. His refusal to claim is still suspect but I think that will work itself out.
@kpaca: Why did you tell falkonn 'Claim or die' when you had been in his position in Indiana Jones Mafia?
he could be a day shot SK...yeah if he's vig it's not the best play but if he's vig i think his target choice is downright awful...I've been down with his lynch all game. So in summary i think he's likely a day shot sk and on the off chance that he's town i dont feel too bad with this lynch considering his shot choice.
I'm skeptical at an SK that has to earn kills. I've suffered through that role(Camp whatever mafia by Loran), and it is abysmal.
With Kpaca pseudo-outing himself as some kind of killing role, I think we might as well just mass claim. Of the living players, we have information on half of them.
I think the town really has the upper hand right now with one scum down and the roles that have been revealed out. I think keeping the scum guessing is probably the best bet and am against a mass claim.
Assuming that the people that have been revealed so far are town (other then AI), and that AI's cop investigation is right and proper, the scum are really running out of places to hide.
These are the people that are left that haven't revealed/been copped.
Also, one of two things are going to happen tomorrow as far as my role is concerned.
1. I traded with two townies, and they announce that my role is impossible on scum.
1.A. I traded with at least one non-townie. They announce that my role is impossible on scum.
2. I traded w/ at least one non-townie. At least one of them announces that I am scum. When I die it will be revealed that my role is impossible on a scum and we trade me for scum which is a good deal for us.
Either poggydude is a liar(and therefore some kind of cultist), or ZP is a liar(and is scum).
We do NOT have 2 sets of masons(or anything like it) in a mini. This is simply not believable.
Based on their attitude thus far, I believe that Poggy is the more likely of the two to be town. That's that.
So here's the difference between my mason chat and zuzu's: Mine's in my role pm and someone can confirm that(Not gonna out them yet but I got a trade off last night.)
Plus, the PM that he copied from RafK sounds exactly like something RafK would say.
I guess they could have both been scum and RafK was some kind of Death Godfather, but I sincerely hope that is not the case, and am not going to consider it as a real possibility.
Ultimately, as I said, I think that they just aren't confirmed town...and I can't see why he would say they were unless he is scum.
That would imply scum somehow didnt get their kill off and vig correctly hit a death godfather, let's just say if this is a realistic possibilty I don't know how this game made it past review.
errm, so far AI has been kinda unhelpful and won't give up his investigation info. I feel like we'd be getting pretty solid info if we lynched him and we'd be lynching a confirmed non-town player.
Vote AI
So you agreed with me about how he probably can't be a mason, and then..unvoted?
That is an awfully suspect play. Maybe you're worried that he'll get lynched and actually flip town mason?
Okay, now I'm confused I thought you were saying that he is likely a mason? You said that's something rafk would say. And you said the possiblty that rafk being scum is ridiculous...So what are you saying
That they're masons but he is still scum..
You've never seen a mason pair where one of them is scum?
btw I still really want that dire bere soft claim
you can't point to any scummy play by me
you believe that i got raf's pms and that i had mason discussion with him
based on modgaming only you don't believe we were confirmed to each other even though raf, who seems to be a suspicious frakker usually, was open with me and raf's only ability was to talk to me and allow me to vote
your modgaming point is even dumb, because i don't remember poggydude saying he and the half vampire would be confirmed to each other. there's a big difference between confirmed masons (with the drawback we can't use dossier trades to prove it) and people who can talk to each other if they can find each other.
wake up and smell the coffee cyan. you got no brakes but you can try to steer.
you say you were going to attack raf today if he lives. what were you going to say about him, that he was too townie?
have you noticed how the scum are hanging back and letting you run with this by yourself, and hoping you can bully enough people into a lynch. no-one but you could keep a straight face trying to say i'm scum.
wake up, smell the coffee, and learn to steer if you have no breaks
And since Cyan is town, it would be better suited for you to hunt these "scum [that] are hanging back" instead of picking fights.
And, to ask again:
@Zuzu Petals / poggydude: do you guys have day talk?
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
I usually don't answer questions that can be looked in by you in 1 minute, but no, i do not
i'm already voting malcolm. i'm at -1 or -2 i think, so excuse me for spending my time defending myself first. i'm not picking fights with cyan. he has picked me as his no-brakes target.
i also already made the full case on malcolm/kpaca: called raf scum yesterday and tried to act like he had inside information on it. not only defended manders but did that "she won't be lynched today and you're stupid for trying" thing. went from saying "kill ai", and explaining why we should kill ai even though he's neutral, to saying today we shouldn't kill ai, but not saying what changed. bs attacking me today with no reasons. everything he's done the entire game so far is scummy. what more can I say about malcolm? no-one has said i'm wrong about the stuff malcolm has done, like no-one has said anything i've done that's scummy.
i already answered you on this before. no. (maybe you missed my previous case on malcolm when you missed me answering this?)
falkonn (2): Malcolm, LP
Malcolm (1): Zuzu
Zuzu (4): Cyan, Gigas, Zionite, Poggydude
Gigas (1): AsianInvasion
With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch.
Post number?
And that PM is certainly more explicit.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
I'm still not liking Zuzu's responses. He sounds pretty aggressive.
excuse me with being frustrated with him
also i'm sorry for calling people retards earlier. i know i shouldn't do that. just very upset, this game was going real well and then suddenly i have like ai going "die and take your ugly pink text with you" and i felt like wtf is wrong with people?
577 for me answering you.
494 and 567 are the malcolm case
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Unrelatedly, pink text is extremely obnoxious. The only thing more obnoxious is Zuzu's complete lack of effort when it comes to typing and speaking like a person with even a modicum of intelligence.
Sadly, that doesn't make a person scum. Just unpleasant. Unvote
Time to just re-read whomever is left, I guess.
what's wrong with that? am i meant to just politely take people attacking me?
and what do you think of the case on malcolm?
Maybe we could lynch kpaca before he incorrectly vigshots my ass
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
vote malcolm
Nothing. It was night 0.
I figured it would make sense to make use of some of the games mechanics. If I recall correctly, I traded a name and an ability with manders.
With Kpaca pseudo-outing himself as some kind of killing role, I think we might as well just mass claim. Of the living players, we have information on half of them.
I'm 100% behind this, you can go first.
DUDE WHO DID YOU INVESTIGATE??? CMON
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
oh really? lol, seems like a really odd thing to claim...he claimed stunted vig a few pages back.
"Vote Zionite"
"Reading back, I obtained a niggling feeling."
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
"Vote Zionite"
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
I am also against a mass claim. We have thusfar outed two masons, a neutral, a partial from falkonn, and maybe a vig? It may be half the living players, but there have been no abilities yet.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Keifru seems like a good place to start my re-read.
I won't let him get mislynched, so don't worry about it.
Let us know what you find.
I don't want to mason chat you
Regarding recent events, there was a lot said but not actually a whole lot of meat. Zuzu seems town to me. Those PM's seem spot on RafK, and I don't think that's easily forgeable, even if Zuzu is a gimmick of someone.
I'm not really sure what made people get off of falkonn but then the wagon wasn't great in the first place so I don't really mind. His refusal to claim is still suspect but I think that will work itself out.
@kpaca: Why did you tell falkonn 'Claim or die' when you had been in his position in Indiana Jones Mafia?
Poggydude is all over the place.
Basic #10-Town-Win
Sword of Truth-Town-Loss
LOTR II - Town-Loss
Indiana Jones - Town-Win
Manipulator - Town-Win
The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
Highlander - Neutral Survivor - Win
@AI: Day 1, you told us that your unknown ability was one that was 'less useful if it was public knowledge'. Later you effectively claimed Cop.
I don't really see the correlation there. A Cop isn't any less useful if everyone knows he's a Cop. Please clarify.
Your loss.
It is if he's dead. Then again, I'm only a threat to the scum to the extent that I help the town, so maybe the scum are hoping I'll turn coat.
I investigated Malcolm/kpaca. He's town.
:'( I was trying to, this whole time, not get lumped in with the vezoks and the taylors, I have apparently failed
Lol
No to massclaim.
Based on what?
Falkonn != kpaca
Herf Derf.
Assuming that the people that have been revealed so far are town (other then AI), and that AI's cop investigation is right and proper, the scum are really running out of places to hide.
These are the people that are left that haven't revealed/been copped.
1. Calvin
3. Keifru
6. Lost Profit
11. Cyan
12. Zionite
13. Gigas1
I think Gigas1/Zionite are our best bets.
Also, one of two things are going to happen tomorrow as far as my role is concerned.
1. I traded with two townies, and they announce that my role is impossible on scum.
1.A. I traded with at least one non-townie. They announce that my role is impossible on scum.
2. I traded w/ at least one non-townie. At least one of them announces that I am scum. When I die it will be revealed that my role is impossible on a scum and we trade me for scum which is a good deal for us.
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