So a bunch of justification for not participating in the early game(I thought the 'I can't be suspicious of people early' excuse was fascinating), followed by a partial claim?
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I guess you can just die. Or you could actually claim. You pick.
Only I would make a gimmick of myself that acts like myself.
I lol'ed.
Also, I doubt I'm just going to be right every time(it's only that easy for me if I'm the SK)...I don't feel as good as this wagon as I did about the MH one, but that's probably because I have a better gauge on her, and Falkonn got run into claim range pretty quickly(though I don't find this to be a tell against his wagon, because of the small game size and the fact that a scum got lynched yesterday). Of course, his pseudo-claim post is pretty awful, but we'll see what he says next.
Really I want to vote Keifru, but I'm not sure if he's actually plain sight lurking or I just made that up and turned it into fact in my head. I might just have to reread or something.
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You've never played with me so I'll just say this plainly. I've played enough games that I see the wisdom in being more active late game where there is more to talk about. That and I've been busy recently so my posting has dropped off.
Sorry if you've been busy, but its not that you haven't posted "much" content. You haven't posted any content.
I haven't posted much content- Yep, that'll pick up. Also, I've learned it's prudent to keep my thoughts to myself unless I'm going to follow up on them.
And posting lots of content doesn't mean your town so this is a non-point in my book.
I would agree, but while lots of content does not prove town, no content does indicate scum.
LP says I haven't been suspicious of anyone. That's partially because it would be silly for me to come out early game and say that everyone except for me is scum, and partially because of what I said earlier about it being prudent to keep my thoughts to myself unless I was planning on following up on them.
You decided to comment on Zionite's meme, but not any relavent topics.
He also says that I'm not trying to find any good lynch targets. How does he know that? He has no idea what I'm thinking when I read the game. If I find someone that I think is scum you guys will know. It'll be obvious and my vote will be attached at the end of it.
It's unfortunate that it is day 2 and the most suspicious you've been of anyone this game is a brief mention of RafaelK 60 posts into the game.
Claim is meaningless. There is nothing that proves towniness, and so I'm not sure what you expect it to do.
So a bunch of justification for not participating in the early game(I thought the 'I can't be suspicious of people early' excuse was fascinating), followed by a partial claim?
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I guess you can just die. Or you could actually claim. You pick.
Also yay someone finally ackknowledged my soft claim plan, I want to know if people's dossiers mention interest in dire bere's postion or "next in line" to dire bere's position. Obviously if you are town dont lie when doing this softclaim or it wont work
No. There's a possibility that it can harm us and the only benefit is flavorgaming.
btw I am 1 million percent postive cyan is town, no question, positive. He knew the wincon was different right off the bat, either manders made the most amazing scum sacrifice ever to get cyan in the townie seat or cyan is town
No. As was pointed out, if MH is to be believed (and even though she was a dying scum, that seems like an odd thing to lie about), the scum were informed about the dual wincons. Cyan is likely town because of the rest of his interaction with MH, but this is just bad logic.
I'm not slowrolling, I'm refusing to fully claim. I'm still refusing to do that, but will release one more thing in an attempt to get this to stall out. I'm town and I'm class A. The other things that I left out of my claim were...
-One short paragraph of my flavor that basically told you what my special ability/limit breaker are. It's also the paragraph that very strongly implied how class went A,B,C, etc. from strongest to weakest.
-My ability/limit breaker. The reason that I'm refusing to share this information is because it makes my role basically worthless if everyone knows what it is.
If you guys allow me to live I will share my complete dossier with someone tonight. They can confirm my abilities are lame if public. If you guys think this is a scum gambit then lynch me and no hard feelings, but I'm not sharing any more of my dossier in public.
I'm not slowrolling, I'm refusing to fully claim. I'm still refusing to do that, but will release one more thing in an attempt to get this to stall out. I'm town and I'm class A. The other things that I left out of my claim were...
-One short paragraph of my flavor that basically told you what my special ability/limit breaker are. It's also the paragraph that very strongly implied how class went A,B,C, etc. from strongest to weakest.
-My ability/limit breaker. The reason that I'm refusing to share this information is because it makes my role basically worthless if everyone knows what it is.
If you guys allow me to live I will share my complete dossier with someone tonight. They can confirm my abilities are lame if public. If you guys think this is a scum gambit then lynch me and no hard feelings, but I'm not sharing any more of my dossier in public.
This isn't a gambit. This is you not understanding that if you don't full-claim right now you will die. It's not that complicated. Since you claim to be town you should realize that having you alive and out in the open is preferable to having you dead. So put up or shut up.
Honestly, I feel like we should stop and take an analytical look at this situation. If Falkonn is scum, does he actually expect this to work? If not, is he just stalling for town? Or is he maybe just actually town?
The problem that I have with these considerations(and yes, I do think that there is a modest chance that he is town here) is that, if I just sit by and let this happen now, more people will do, and inevitably..scum will do it. And I think that, in the end, I'd rather run the risk of mislynching a townie than run the risk of letting a scum skate.
Man that feels like fearmongering..but it also feels true. I've died and become a Republican.
@Falkonn: If you didn't want to be forced to claim, you shouldn't have acted scummy. Please stop slow-rolling us. People frequently have claims that 'aren't that useful' if they're forced into public. But they still go along with the process.
Also you have my vote hanging over your head like a bigass piano.
Also, I changed my mind because i want both prodded but have decided that the case against falkonn is slightly better, both are lurking but falkonn is lurking harder.
Also The interest in dire bere's position is looking really good now imho
LP has rubbed me wrong the whole game. I just don't know whether or not that makes him scum.
You know, Manders had a compelling role as well. The simple fact is now we can't really clear people based on role information. So really all we have is a player refusing to give us all their information. I'm still okay with a falkonn lynch.
I think my ability is worthless if it is out in the open. It is my opinion that my lynch is better then my ability being out in the open. I'm not afraid of being lynched so if you guys are going to lynch me then feel free. Also (and I realize that this sounds like rampant fearmongering but I feel like I should say this) I would prefer if AI/Poggydude/Cyan were not my hammer at this time.
You guys can tell me that you think I handled this inappropriately later when you know more. Until then decide if you think I"m bluffing or not and decide what to do from there.
While it's possible that your ability is less useful when exposed(this is sometimes the case), I can't believe that it would be detrimental if exposed.
The only claim that I can think of that makes sense for what you're saying is Watcher. If that's the case, you might as well just tell us now, so that we can coordinate it.
Oddly enough though, I am going to go ahead and Unvote. The tone of this last post sounds very honest/straightforward, and I don't really see someone as scum handling this situation in this manner.
@falkonn, you should trade ability with the person you think is towniest, atm i'd say cyan is towniest. Then he can defend what you're saying. TBH i really don't want a potentially A class townie being outed like that
@falkonn, you should trade ability with the person you think is towniest, atm i'd say cyan is towniest. Then he can defend what you're saying. TBH i really don't want a potentially A class townie being outed like that
Putting all the eggs in one basket for the scum to steal seems like a terrible plan.
Actually I should say this to you, kpaca: If you are going to vigshot me pretty please give reasons, a tiny pbpa, a summary of my scummiest actions, anything, just please i would like your reason. Otherwise I would hope the town views you as a dayshot scum or SK, because I personally doubt that you would vigshot someone who is not clearly scum without good reason built up.
There are definitely similarities to how Kpaca and I approach the game.
I wouldn't say that his playstyle is detrimental. Though I don't think I've seen him as Vig before. Most people are 'detrimental' when they're the vig.
There are definitely similarities to how Kpaca and I approach the game.
I wouldn't say that his playstyle is detrimental. Though I don't think I've seen him as Vig before. Most people are 'detrimental' when they're the vig.
Yeah but I kind of have a feeling he's policy vigging me, I mean some would say I probably deserve this twist of irony but I cant help but fell that it'd be hypocritical
I mean the other option is that I'm playing clearly scummy and r teh obv target. So i just assumed he was policy vigging or rage vigging me. This is why I asked for reasons because I want to make sure that he doesn't slip an SK kill in with a terribad reason.
I wouldn't say that his playstyle is detrimental. Though I don't think I've seen him as Vig before. Most people are 'detrimental' when they're the vig.
He was the vig in Indiana Jones (he refused to claim, remember). He also executed a vig order from Some One in LotR II. And he claimed vig as SK in CCMIV. It seems like he gets to kill people a lot.
As Zuzu Petals is nowhere to be found, kpaca vs. poggydude sounds like a fine consolation prize.
I think my ability is worthless if it is out in the open. It is my opinion that my lynch is better then my ability being out in the open. I'm not afraid of being lynched so if you guys are going to lynch me then feel free. Also (and I realize that this sounds like rampant fearmongering but I feel like I should say this) I would prefer if AI/Poggydude/Cyan were not my hammer at this time.
You guys can tell me that you think I handled this inappropriately later when you know more. Until then decide if you think I"m bluffing or not and decide what to do from there.
A living townie is always better than a dead one, even if his ability is useless. The only time where a player is better of dead than claiming is when the ability is actively bad for the town, but in that case I'd still want you dead.
So yea, not moving vote.
Alternatively, you could start posting content to try to persuade me to move it, but no guarantees.
Either RafaelK's sole purpose this game was to enable a scum to vote, the Deadmen group has some sort of special in game significance the other groups don't, or AsianInvasion is lying. I'm leaning heavily to the third option, which doesn't make me feel better about Zionite.
I'm not following this... at all. Why couldn't his werewolf friend be town?
I still am firmly of the belief that malcolm's play is only helpful to scum, if he's scum he doesn't risk saying something scummy, if he's town he's not helping at all, I'm going to assume he's scum because i dont think a townie would be this unhelpful. I mean he can pretend he's helpful all he wants but he was wrong on manders so he cant exactly argue that his playstyle is pro at catching scum.
vote malcolm
Yeah, policy lynching is bad. Also, "he's wrong once, and is therefore scum" is quite a terrible argument.
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i think for now zionite is just a sucker and not scum buddy of manders.
Why does a neutral needing him alive mean he's a sucker? And, for a slightly more important thing, why did you refuse my ability trade last night? If you are town, then the most likely reason is that you think I'm scum. But if that was true, why wouldn't you make any attempts at pushing my lynch or indicating any sort of read of me at all? Vote: Zuzu until I get an answer.
Poggydude:let's policy lynch malcolm
Most people:THATS' THE DUMB
Lost Profit: Let's policy lynch falkonn
Zionite: DER MMKAY SOUNDS GOOD
How is Lost Profit's suggestion a policy lynch in any way? He's saying he's acting scummy, and therefore should be lynched. Compare to you saying Malpaca's playstyle is bad, and therefore he should be lynched.
Also yay someone finally ackknowledged my soft claim plan, I want to know if people's dossiers mention interest in dire bere's postion or "next in line" to dire bere's position. Obviously if you are town dont lie when doing this softclaim or it wont work
For all we know, there's a SK out there with the win condition that he has to eliminate everybody trying to become president. So yeah, this is a bad idea, mostly because either we modgame and lynch those people, or we put out some unnecessary information for the hypothetical SK-esque role.
scum has little to gain and if scum traded some flavor townies will keep them honest. I really dont see a whole lot wrong with this except it may lead to a some flavorgaming but I wont pounce on anything unless it's superclear.
So, in short, you are asking for flavor information to be put out there for absolutely no reason.
This isn't a gambit. This is you not understanding that if you don't full-claim right now you will die. It's not that complicated. Since you claim to be town you should realize that having you alive and out in the open is preferable to having you dead. So put up or shut up.
Why are you pushing his lynch so hard, but not adding your vote? I know you want to wait for a claim, but since he's posted a couple times since this post of "Claim or die" and showed no intent of ever claiming, why would you still hold out?
Man that feels like fearmongering..but it also feels true. I've died and become a Republican.
ZOMG!!! I'm supposed to KILL reanimated republicans!!! Vote: Cyan!!!
That is half-true. If I hammer a reanimated republican, I will gain a charge for my limit breaker, but I'm not going to push a Cyan lynch for obvious reasons...Unvote.
This is like my second game on this site. I guess I feel that his playstyle is a detriment to the town, I may be wrong but w/e.
Know what's MORE detrimental to the town than not giving reasons? Mislynches. Studies from the university of Made up on the spot studies indicate that policy lynches are as useful for catching scum as presenting a chicken with a list of players and lynching the one it pecks.
Yeah but I kind of have a feeling he's policy vigging me, I mean some would say I probably deserve this twist of irony but I cant help but fell that it'd be hypocritical
I'm beginning to wonder if you understand what a policy-anything is. In case you don't, it's lynching a player for things like an annoying play style rather than for acting scummy.
I mean the other option is that I'm playing clearly scummy and r teh obv target. So i just assumed he was policy vigging or rage vigging me. This is why I asked for reasons because I want to make sure that he doesn't slip an SK kill in with a terribad reason.
You don't have to be near-confirmed scum to be a good vig target.
Why are you pushing his lynch so hard, but not adding your vote? I know you want to wait for a claim, but since he's posted a couple times since this post of "Claim or die" and showed no intent of ever claiming, why would you still hold out?
I could have hammered after kpaca voted but I didn't because I'm not a terrible Mafia player. There is something bigger going on here.
If someone traded info with falkonn (that we don't already have) this would be a good time to reveal it.
I haven't traded with anyone yet. Like I said earlier, if I live through today I will trade my full dossier with someone I think is town. If I get a dossier request from another person I think is town I will trade with that person also so that it's very likely that at least one of them will live through the night. I will not trade my dossier with anyone I think is not town (this includes AI, sorry AI I still <3 you).
Also just fyi I'm not a bomb. I have other reasons for my 18-wheeler semi full of bread crumbs hammer vote mention.
I'm not following this... at all. Why couldn't his werewolf friend be town?
I think you're not reading the game closely enough?
ZOMG!!! I'm supposed to KILL reanimated republicans!!! Vote: Cyan!!!
That is half-true. If I hammer a reanimated republican, I will gain a charge for my limit breaker, but I'm not going to push a Cyan lynch for obvious reasons...Unvote.
Twilight characters are republicans?
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I haven't traded with anyone yet. Like I said earlier, if I live through today I will trade my full dossier with someone I think is town. If I get a dossier request from another person I think is town I will trade with that person also so that it's very likely that at least one of them will live through the night. I will not trade my dossier with anyone I think is not town (this includes AI, sorry AI I still <3 you).
Somehow through this plan, instead of claiming, falkonn gets at least one and possibly multiple dossiers for the price of his - something that should be claimed anyways. It also requires he survive today. I'm missing how this is a good idea?
And still no opinions of other players, such as who he thinks is town and would consider trading with. Leaving it vague and flexible come the night.
A living townie is always better than a dead one, even if his ability is useless. The only time where a player is better of dead than claiming is when the ability is actively bad for the town, but in that case I'd still want you dead.
So yea, not moving vote.
Alternatively, you could start posting content to try to persuade me to move it, but no guarantees.
Unvote because lost profit is voting.
Nah, I'm starting to believe falkonn's story. I can move on.
Honestly don't know where to go next with this. I'm going with gut vote zuzu petals
This isn't a gambit. This is you not understanding that if you don't full-claim right now you will die. It's not that complicated. Since you claim to be town you should realize that having you alive and out in the open is preferable to having you dead. So put up or shut up.
Why does a neutral needing him alive mean he's a sucker?
he was a sucker for manders nothing to do with ai.
And, for a slightly more important thing, why did you refuse my ability trade last night?
odd thing to ask to trade by itself. didn't trust you.
If you are town, then the most likely reason is that you think I'm scum. But if that was true, why wouldn't you make any attempts at pushing my lynch or indicating any sort of read of me at all?
more suspicious of others. also forgot about you when you weren't here.
unvote falkonn
i voted falkonn mostly for lack of content. town can lurk too. he's had his kick in the jacksie, he talks ok to me, hasn't tried to say everything we want to hear. people r too hung up on claims.
I'm not following this... at all. Why couldn't his werewolf friend be town?
...where he not only fought off, but actually broke a recently awakened werewolf. By breaking the werewolf he became the werewolf’s master, forming a bond with him.
Doesn't sound like they started on good terms. Actually, what I'm concerned about, is if Zuzu flipped scum now that he is no longer bonded, or if he has some other anti-town change.
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Doesn't sound like they started on good terms. Actually, what I'm concerned about, is if Zuzu flipped scum now that he is no longer bonded, or if he has some other anti-town change.
we're actually on very good terms. raf and i cooperated to try and find a deadmen member to give me my vote back while he was alive (both of us asked for trades including group on both nights- and cyan refused raf's trade last night despite being willing to trade with everyone on night 1, why was that by the way?- and raf got a correct guess last night on zionite being in the deadmen but then it didn't matter since he got killed and i got my vote permanently)
right zionite and cyan?
cool
and there's not going to be flipping in a mini, don't be silly
Nah, I'm starting to believe falkonn's story. I can move on.
Honestly don't know where to go next with this. I'm going with gut vote zuzu petals
good for agreeing with me on falkonn
retarded for voting me. gut LOLOLOL. gut = "zuzu hasn't made a single scum post and attacked manders early but she looked at me funny" right? r we good?
seriously. who attacks me? kpaca - wrong about manders. ai - wrong about manders. zioinite - wrong about manders. holy mackerel batman a pattern forms!
k, i'm gonna sleep now, when i wake up people will stop being insane right?
we're actually on very good terms. raf and i cooperated to try and find a deadmen member to give me my vote back while he was alive (both of us asked for trades including group on both nights- and cyan refused raf's trade last night despite being willing to trade with everyone on night 1, why was that by the way?- and raf got a correct guess last night on zionite being in the deadmen but then it didn't matter since he got killed and i got my vote permanently)
"Three people in the Deadmen? That's interesting. And the fact I assume you both were a mason pair. And with Poggy's mason-creation-and-temp-third limitbreaker."
and there's not going to be flipping in a mini, don't be silly
"I find believing anything is possible helps keep me from getting nasty surprises. Of course, you could have just been scum all along, but that's not as interesting to think on."
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If you read my first post of today, you would see that I thought RafK was scum and bussing MH yesterday. So obviously, I didn't trade info with him.
Zuzu is correct that RafK tried to trade with me, though. I feel like I'm missing the part of the story where Zuzu somehow found out about this from RafK, though.
That having been said, the tone of Zuzu's last post comes across really poorly to me. Unvote, Vote zuzupetals
I haven't traded with anyone yet. Like I said earlier, if I live through today I will trade my full dossier with someone I think is town. If I get a dossier request from another person I think is town I will trade with that person also so that it's very likely that at least one of them will live through the night. I will not trade my dossier with anyone I think is not town (this includes AI, sorry AI I still <3 you).
This wouldn't clear you by any stretch. But I'm willing to leave you alone for another Day.
retarded for voting me. gut LOLOLOL. gut = "zuzu hasn't made a single scum post and attacked manders early but she looked at me funny" right? r we good?
seriously. who attacks me? kpaca - wrong about manders. ai - wrong about manders. zioinite - wrong about manders. holy mackerel batman a pattern forms!
k, i'm gonna sleep now, when i wake up people will stop being insane right?
I haven't traded with anyone yet. Like I said earlier, if I live through today I will trade my full dossier with someone I think is town. If I get a dossier request from another person I think is town I will trade with that person also so that it's very likely that at least one of them will live through the night. I will not trade my dossier with anyone I think is not town (this includes AI, sorry AI I still <3 you).
Also just fyi I'm not a bomb. I have other reasons for my 18-wheeler semi full of bread crumbs hammer vote mention.
Do you think I'm town?(I dont want to waste my trade if you don't think so.
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I guess you can just die. Or you could actually claim. You pick.
Fact that I promise I can confirm, but currently will not.
:ai:
Someone told me awhile ago that they thought malcolm was you..good read by them apparently.
Anyway. Less distractions, more Falkonn.
Only I would make a gimmick of myself that acts like myself.
Anyway I'm completely open to just riding the apparently accurate in this game cyan train.
"I posted earlier D1 that I thought it was kpaca."
"I feel pretty good."
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
I lol'ed.
Also, I doubt I'm just going to be right every time(it's only that easy for me if I'm the SK)...I don't feel as good as this wagon as I did about the MH one, but that's probably because I have a better gauge on her, and Falkonn got run into claim range pretty quickly(though I don't find this to be a tell against his wagon, because of the small game size and the fact that a scum got lynched yesterday). Of course, his pseudo-claim post is pretty awful, but we'll see what he says next.
I would agree, but while lots of content does not prove town, no content does indicate scum.
You decided to comment on Zionite's meme, but not any relavent topics.
It's unfortunate that it is day 2 and the most suspicious you've been of anyone this game is a brief mention of RafaelK 60 posts into the game.
Claim is meaningless. There is nothing that proves towniness, and so I'm not sure what you expect it to do.
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You tell it, sis...oh hey there.
You can fool MandersHex, but you can't fool 'em all.
* AsianInvasion twiddles his thumbs and whistles while waiting for falkonn to claim correctly this time.
I think AI should just be completely ignored.
Eh? LP's been playing pretty pro-town.
What made you go from this post to the following:
With only this in between:
No. There's a possibility that it can harm us and the only benefit is flavorgaming.
No. As was pointed out, if MH is to be believed (and even though she was a dying scum, that seems like an odd thing to lie about), the scum were informed about the dual wincons. Cyan is likely town because of the rest of his interaction with MH, but this is just bad logic.
Agreed.
Falkonn isn't the best wagon imo, but I don't like the way he's slowrolling his claim.
I do agree with him that Zionite is off but I'll wait to do proper analysis until the Falkonn issue is resolved so as not to derail the wagon.
Basic #10-Town-Win
Sword of Truth-Town-Loss
LOTR II - Town-Loss
Indiana Jones - Town-Win
Manipulator - Town-Win
The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
Highlander - Neutral Survivor - Win
-One short paragraph of my flavor that basically told you what my special ability/limit breaker are. It's also the paragraph that very strongly implied how class went A,B,C, etc. from strongest to weakest.
-My ability/limit breaker. The reason that I'm refusing to share this information is because it makes my role basically worthless if everyone knows what it is.
If you guys allow me to live I will share my complete dossier with someone tonight. They can confirm my abilities are lame if public. If you guys think this is a scum gambit then lynch me and no hard feelings, but I'm not sharing any more of my dossier in public.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
I'll call.
This isn't a gambit. This is you not understanding that if you don't full-claim right now you will die. It's not that complicated. Since you claim to be town you should realize that having you alive and out in the open is preferable to having you dead. So put up or shut up.
The problem that I have with these considerations(and yes, I do think that there is a modest chance that he is town here) is that, if I just sit by and let this happen now, more people will do, and inevitably..scum will do it. And I think that, in the end, I'd rather run the risk of mislynching a townie than run the risk of letting a scum skate.
Man that feels like fearmongering..but it also feels true. I've died and become a Republican.
@Falkonn: If you didn't want to be forced to claim, you shouldn't have acted scummy. Please stop slow-rolling us. People frequently have claims that 'aren't that useful' if they're forced into public. But they still go along with the process.
Claim or die.
Also, I changed my mind because i want both prodded but have decided that the case against falkonn is slightly better, both are lurking but falkonn is lurking harder.
Also The interest in dire bere's position is looking really good now imho
So go ahead and do what you can while you can.
You know, Manders had a compelling role as well. The simple fact is now we can't really clear people based on role information. So really all we have is a player refusing to give us all their information. I'm still okay with a falkonn lynch.
You guys can tell me that you think I handled this inappropriately later when you know more. Until then decide if you think I"m bluffing or not and decide what to do from there.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
The only claim that I can think of that makes sense for what you're saying is Watcher. If that's the case, you might as well just tell us now, so that we can coordinate it.
Oddly enough though, I am going to go ahead and Unvote. The tone of this last post sounds very honest/straightforward, and I don't really see someone as scum handling this situation in this manner.
Putting all the eggs in one basket for the scum to steal seems like a terrible plan.
I still like the one where we lynch Zuzu Petals.
Interestingly enough I was told that I have never played with you before either.
I wouldn't say that his playstyle is detrimental. Though I don't think I've seen him as Vig before. Most people are 'detrimental' when they're the vig.
Yeah but I kind of have a feeling he's policy vigging me, I mean some would say I probably deserve this twist of irony but I cant help but fell that it'd be hypocritical
He was the vig in Indiana Jones (he refused to claim, remember). He also executed a vig order from Some One in LotR II. And he claimed vig as SK in CCMIV. It seems like he gets to kill people a lot.
As Zuzu Petals is nowhere to be found, kpaca vs. poggydude sounds like a fine consolation prize.
I can understand liking to kill people alot. I would love to be the Vig all of the time.
So yea, not moving vote.
Alternatively, you could start posting content to try to persuade me to move it, but no guarantees.
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I'm not following this... at all. Why couldn't his werewolf friend be town?
Yeah, policy lynching is bad. Also, "he's wrong once, and is therefore scum" is quite a terrible argument.
Why does a neutral needing him alive mean he's a sucker? And, for a slightly more important thing, why did you refuse my ability trade last night? If you are town, then the most likely reason is that you think I'm scum. But if that was true, why wouldn't you make any attempts at pushing my lynch or indicating any sort of read of me at all? Vote: Zuzu until I get an answer.
How is Lost Profit's suggestion a policy lynch in any way? He's saying he's acting scummy, and therefore should be lynched. Compare to you saying Malpaca's playstyle is bad, and therefore he should be lynched.
For all we know, there's a SK out there with the win condition that he has to eliminate everybody trying to become president. So yeah, this is a bad idea, mostly because either we modgame and lynch those people, or we put out some unnecessary information for the hypothetical SK-esque role.
So, in short, you are asking for flavor information to be put out there for absolutely no reason.
Why are you pushing his lynch so hard, but not adding your vote? I know you want to wait for a claim, but since he's posted a couple times since this post of "Claim or die" and showed no intent of ever claiming, why would you still hold out?
ZOMG!!! I'm supposed to KILL reanimated republicans!!! Vote: Cyan!!!
That is half-true. If I hammer a reanimated republican, I will gain a charge for my limit breaker, but I'm not going to push a Cyan lynch for obvious reasons...Unvote.
Know what's MORE detrimental to the town than not giving reasons? Mislynches. Studies from the university of Made up on the spot studies indicate that policy lynches are as useful for catching scum as presenting a chicken with a list of players and lynching the one it pecks.
I'm beginning to wonder if you understand what a policy-anything is. In case you don't, it's lynching a player for things like an annoying play style rather than for acting scummy.
You don't have to be near-confirmed scum to be a good vig target.
That is troublesome.
I could have hammered after kpaca voted but I didn't because I'm not a terrible Mafia player. There is something bigger going on here.
If someone traded info with falkonn (that we don't already have) this would be a good time to reveal it.
Also just fyi I'm not a bomb. I have other reasons for my 18-wheeler semi full of bread crumbs hammer vote mention.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
Twilight characters are republicans?
Somehow through this plan, instead of claiming, falkonn gets at least one and possibly multiple dossiers for the price of his - something that should be claimed anyways. It also requires he survive today. I'm missing how this is a good idea?
And still no opinions of other players, such as who he thinks is town and would consider trading with. Leaving it vague and flexible come the night.
Updated: 05/24/11
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Unvote because lost profit is voting.
Nah, I'm starting to believe falkonn's story. I can move on.
Honestly don't know where to go next with this. I'm going with gut vote zuzu petals
stop acting like u speak for the town
you just backed off me, i thought we were friends now!
i posted yesterday i'm not nowhere to be found. first you attack me for not answering a question you didn't ask, now this.
keep being obvious
he was a sucker for manders nothing to do with ai.
odd thing to ask to trade by itself. didn't trust you.
more suspicious of others. also forgot about you when you weren't here.
unvote falkonn
i voted falkonn mostly for lack of content. town can lurk too. he's had his kick in the jacksie, he talks ok to me, hasn't tried to say everything we want to hear. people r too hung up on claims.
Doesn't sound like they started on good terms. Actually, what I'm concerned about, is if Zuzu flipped scum now that he is no longer bonded, or if he has some other anti-town change.
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
we're actually on very good terms. raf and i cooperated to try and find a deadmen member to give me my vote back while he was alive (both of us asked for trades including group on both nights- and cyan refused raf's trade last night despite being willing to trade with everyone on night 1, why was that by the way?- and raf got a correct guess last night on zionite being in the deadmen but then it didn't matter since he got killed and i got my vote permanently)
right zionite and cyan?
cool
and there's not going to be flipping in a mini, don't be silly
good for agreeing with me on falkonn
retarded for voting me. gut LOLOLOL. gut = "zuzu hasn't made a single scum post and attacked manders early but she looked at me funny" right? r we good?
seriously. who attacks me? kpaca - wrong about manders. ai - wrong about manders. zioinite - wrong about manders. holy mackerel batman a pattern forms!
k, i'm gonna sleep now, when i wake up people will stop being insane right?
"Three people in the Deadmen? That's interesting. And the fact I assume you both were a mason pair. And with Poggy's mason-creation-and-temp-third limitbreaker."
"I find believing anything is possible helps keep me from getting nasty surprises. Of course, you could have just been scum all along, but that's not as interesting to think on."
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
Zuzu is correct that RafK tried to trade with me, though. I feel like I'm missing the part of the story where Zuzu somehow found out about this from RafK, though.
That having been said, the tone of Zuzu's last post comes across really poorly to me. Unvote, Vote zuzupetals
This wouldn't clear you by any stretch. But I'm willing to leave you alone for another Day.
Yeah, you probably shouldn't say what you aren't if you aren't going to say what you are. It kind of defeats the purpose.
You're kidding, right?
Cyan's vote puts you at L-2.
Please die, Zuzu Petals, and take your ugly pink text with you.
Do you think I'm town?(I dont want to waste my trade if you don't think so.
falkonn (2): LP, kpaca
Zuzu Petals (4): Cyan, AI, Zionite, Gigas1
With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch.