You're awfully compliant about going along with a plan that is most likely to result in you being lynched, considering your 'I don't simply roll over' statement.
Letting him live for a single day seems fine, we can just lynch the other obvscum hanging around(Zionite).
Of course, if AI is scum, he'll just give the item to a buddy at night and then NK me(since he would be getting lynched the next day anyway, might as well at least take out a body with him). Still, a 1 for 1 is acceptable to me, and there is always the off-chance(however small) that he is telling the truth.
You're awfully compliant about going along with a plan that is most likely to result in you being lynched, considering your 'I don't simply roll over' statement.
Letting him live for a single day seems fine, we can just lynch the other obvscum hanging around(Zionite).
Of course, if AI is scum, he'll just give the item to a buddy at night and then NK me(since he would be getting lynched the next day anyway, might as well at least take out a body with him). Still, a 1 for 1 is acceptable to me, and there is always the off-chance(however small) that he is telling the truth.
Psst, I believe there's something in another thread that will guarantee the safety of your item.
@Scum: I know you're probably whispering and organizing, but I want to get out of here. If I don't have my 420 gold by Friday, Dec 17, at 11:59 PM EST, then I will begin helping the town until you get rid of me.
@Scum: I know you're probably whispering and organizing, but I want to get out of here. If I don't have my 420 gold by Friday, Dec 17, at 11:59 PM EST, then I will begin helping the town until you get rid of me.
Oh geez, what a threat. As if you were doing a good job of it in the first place?
Since we're probably giving AI a pass for now anyway, Unvote Zionite, Unvote Zionite, Vote ZioniteX2
AI, I'll send the Headdress to you tonight(or once twilight starts, w/e) so that you can see whom all has had it and presumably send it back.
I reread the item rules, and we can't pass gold or items or use abilities during twilight. I'm not sure when in the order of abilities item passing resolves, but if it doesn't resolve immediately during Night then I won't have it in time to use my ability tonight. You should pass it to me right now. I'm going to vote Zionite with it anyway, and if I don't you can go ahead and lynch me.
IF everyone agreed, we could essentially set up a free market where we ignore gold, but I doubt it would work.
When did I say that?
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Vote: lrd
When this post was made, it had a number of characteristics that made me vaguely suspicious. All his points were very curt, he proposed an idea that he didn't think would work, and his last two responses seemed like - all of 57 posts into the thread.
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mhm?
I think you're down to two trains of thought here. I'll try and work out whihc one before I take this seriously.
In his second post, he reacted cautiously to my initial prodding. Without giving too much away, I'd prefer a more forthright reaction.
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Vote: ExLight
In this post, we have a couple exlight quotes, and the vote. This was in response to Exlight's taking my bait. I don't think I need to remind anyone how that particular case went down.
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I'm not liking Guardman at the moment. Although his posts about the gold soft claim strike me as more town, these attacks on Seppel seem artificial. As if he's decided Seppel is scummy and is now finding reasons to prove it.
I hate this post. He leads with the first idea, and then goes in for the completely unrelated, weak, balancing point. And the attack itself is extremely subjective and launched against yet another target of opportunity.
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Man, you are trying so hard to stick to your story.
I am so glad my vote is on you. Backtracking, lying, attempting-to-appease-us scum.
Let's just keep driving that Exlight newbie wagon off the cliff, shall we?
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Don't advocate an Atlseal lynch or vig right now. Not sure about letting him hammer.
I like how he gives himself an out to suggest an Atlseal lynch/vig later on.
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We go through a long, long series of posts that are basically just bookkeeping.
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I am saying that in this particular instance, I have reason to believe that 'thief' is not an exclusively scum role.
Ugh. Ok. This is a very, very strong point in TB's favor. This means that on day one, unpressured he was already set on claiming to have a thief role. THat's not at all what I would expect a scum thief to volunteer.
Then there's the repeated calls for me to "fight" with him. After a certain point, I think it becomes less likely to be mere posturing, and more likely to be honest frustration and anticipation.
I think Zionite's recently play has been irritatingly town, in exactly the same way Cyan's has been. There's no point rushing into this lycnch, so let's halt this unnervingly-quickly-building-up-wagon for now and hear the cases that Zionite is going to make.
Another good, organic analysis.
Alright. I'm calling off the dogs for now. Not enough evidence yet.
Here are the scenarios as I see them. He's either scum or town.
He's scum, he'll just lie about his result so that we'll mislynch a townie. This may or may not lead to LyLo or worse, but I haven't considered that math.
~or~
He's town, and will be killed or RBd by scum to prevent that information from being outed.
I mean, we pretty much know the item was obtained by scum, so he's pretty much a cop in this situation.
I'm willing to let this play out. Unvote
However, this day absolutely should not end before we get some content from our replacements. Guys, get it in gear soon please!
Was it bad that this post made me giggle?
Someone doesn't want to commit to the wagon...
Did you two miss where I said I didn't want anything happening until we heard from every replacement? I'll put my vote there when I'm ready for it to be there.
Did you two miss where I said I didn't want anything happening until we heard from every replacement? I'll put my vote there when I'm ready for it to be there.
The guy's got 5 votes on him. It's 9 to lynch. Even Zionite's complaining that he's still alive. Why so gun-shy?
Now that you're not the lynch for today you're leading the "kill" charge?
I have been on his case for the majority of the Day and revoted him before I claimed and the pressure went away, so I think your order of events needs reworking.
This is why I wanted to make a real post before I claimed, because role analysis is never as useful as behavioral analysis. It's easy for people to jump off my wagon once I claim but we can learn so much more from how people respond to a substantial post, whether they begin to see that I am town or still try to argue that I am scum. If at that point people still aren't convinced then I could always claim. Then if people trip over themselves to get off the wagon, we have a really good idea as to whose votes were genuine and who is trying to get away from a mislynch.
Academic given what really occurred, but that was my logic for holding off on claiming.
Odds are that as scum AI would say that Zionite had the item.
wtf difference does that make?
AI isn't town. We know this for sure.
I have a chance to not be town. This is as much as we know.
I don't see how anyone is better off lynching me than AI. AI has been unarguably scummier than me the whole game.
If you're gonna lynch me don't slow roll it. Get those votes on there. A lot of you are just *****ing and not putting your money where your mouth is to try to skate by unnoticed.;
If you're gonna lynch me don't slow roll it. Get those votes on there. A lot of you are just *****ing and not putting your money where your mouth is to try to skate by unnoticed.
And this is precisely why I will not be voting until all replacements have contributed actual content. He is far too eager to get this over with when there's more information the town needs. We need input from these people. I don't think anyone will disagree with that.
I'm the watcher. I've made a case on AE that everyone ignored and it somehow makes me scum. AI is definitely not town no matter how you slice the pie, yet my lynch is somehow a foregone conclusion to turn up scum.
Seppel is a neutral who needs 420 gold to peace out of the game.
Is there any other reason besides the case on AE that Zionite is getting torched? I remember it - and I remember analyzing Zionite, too, but everything from that period is lost in a haze of law school fatigue.
Is there any other reason besides the case on AE that Zionite is getting torched? I remember it - and I remember analyzing Zionite, too, but everything from that period is lost in a haze of law school fatigue.
He claims to have watched Nom last night and that the only other player to target Nom is Nom himself. Nom is dead. Mystery abounds.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Letting him live for a single day seems fine, we can just lynch the other obvscum hanging around(Zionite).
Of course, if AI is scum, he'll just give the item to a buddy at night and then NK me(since he would be getting lynched the next day anyway, might as well at least take out a body with him). Still, a 1 for 1 is acceptable to me, and there is always the off-chance(however small) that he is telling the truth.
Psst, I believe there's something in another thread that will guarantee the safety of your item.
*thread falls over dead*
Not that I could find.
@Azrael: I'm interested in that one; he is on my somewhat short list of suspicious people.
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@Scum: I know you're probably whispering and organizing, but I want to get out of here. If I don't have my 420 gold by Friday, Dec 17, at 11:59 PM EST, then I will begin helping the town until you get rid of me.
Oh geez, what a threat. As if you were doing a good job of it in the first place?
Pretty sure that post is a scumtell?
2. ??? (He flips scum.)
3. Profit!
AI, I'll send the Headdress to you tonight(or once twilight starts, w/e) so that you can see whom all has had it and presumably send it back.
Apparently I had Zionite on the brain there. Obviously meant to Unvote AI.
This can't...no I mean...you didn't just...yeah...you did
Unvote Vote Zionite
I reread the item rules, and we can't pass gold or items or use abilities during twilight. I'm not sure when in the order of abilities item passing resolves, but if it doesn't resolve immediately during Night then I won't have it in time to use my ability tonight. You should pass it to me right now. I'm going to vote Zionite with it anyway, and if I don't you can go ahead and lynch me.
When this post was made, it had a number of characteristics that made me vaguely suspicious. All his points were very curt, he proposed an idea that he didn't think would work, and his last two responses seemed like - all of 57 posts into the thread.
In his second post, he reacted cautiously to my initial prodding. Without giving too much away, I'd prefer a more forthright reaction.
In this post, we have a couple exlight quotes, and the vote. This was in response to Exlight's taking my bait. I don't think I need to remind anyone how that particular case went down.
I hate this post. He leads with the first idea, and then goes in for the completely unrelated, weak, balancing point. And the attack itself is extremely subjective and launched against yet another target of opportunity.
Let's just keep driving that Exlight newbie wagon off the cliff, shall we?
I like how he gives himself an out to suggest an Atlseal lynch/vig later on.
We go through a long, long series of posts that are basically just bookkeeping.
Ugh. Ok. This is a very, very strong point in TB's favor. This means that on day one, unpressured he was already set on claiming to have a thief role. THat's not at all what I would expect a scum thief to volunteer.
Then there's the repeated calls for me to "fight" with him. After a certain point, I think it becomes less likely to be mere posturing, and more likely to be honest frustration and anticipation.
Analysis here is pretty earthy.
Another good, organic analysis.
Alright. I'm calling off the dogs for now. Not enough evidence yet.
My next target is Red Omega.
Here are the scenarios as I see them. He's either scum or town.
He's scum, he'll just lie about his result so that we'll mislynch a townie. This may or may not lead to LyLo or worse, but I haven't considered that math.
~or~
He's town, and will be killed or RBd by scum to prevent that information from being outed.
I mean, we pretty much know the item was obtained by scum, so he's pretty much a cop in this situation.
I'm willing to let this play out. Unvote
However, this day absolutely should not end before we get some content from our replacements. Guys, get it in gear soon please!
Azrael, nice post. Please, keep 'em coming.
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But not enough to vote him over it, apparently.
You could always vote yourself instead of complaining about it.
Was it bad that this post made me giggle?
Someone doesn't want to commit to the wagon...
Did you two miss where I said I didn't want anything happening until we heard from every replacement? I'll put my vote there when I'm ready for it to be there.
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The guy's got 5 votes on him. It's 9 to lynch. Even Zionite's complaining that he's still alive. Why so gun-shy?
This level of insight is staggering.
Now that you're not the lynch for today you're leading the "kill" charge?
She did rule out neutral.
I have been on his case for the majority of the Day and revoted him before I claimed and the pressure went away, so I think your order of events needs reworking.
This is why I wanted to make a real post before I claimed, because role analysis is never as useful as behavioral analysis. It's easy for people to jump off my wagon once I claim but we can learn so much more from how people respond to a substantial post, whether they begin to see that I am town or still try to argue that I am scum. If at that point people still aren't convinced then I could always claim. Then if people trip over themselves to get off the wagon, we have a really good idea as to whose votes were genuine and who is trying to get away from a mislynch.
Academic given what really occurred, but that was my logic for holding off on claiming.
Odds are that as scum AI would say that Zionite had the item.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
wtf difference does that make?
AI isn't town. We know this for sure.
I have a chance to not be town. This is as much as we know.
I don't see how anyone is better off lynching me than AI. AI has been unarguably scummier than me the whole game.
If you're gonna lynch me don't slow roll it. Get those votes on there. A lot of you are just *****ing and not putting your money where your mouth is to try to skate by unnoticed.;
Why would I want to give someone I think is scum what he wants?
What was the purpose of making this post?
And how do you propose that we do that?
And this is precisely why I will not be voting until all replacements have contributed actual content. He is far too eager to get this over with when there's more information the town needs. We need input from these people. I don't think anyone will disagree with that.
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To point out that your "town / scum" dynamic didn't offer any new insight into the A_I case. If my post came off as brusque I apologize.
The same way we did last time, by doing the whole double vote song and dance where everyone checks in to double vote.
And we only need AI to double vote to confirm that he has it, btw.
I've begun to get a bit lost in everythin that's going on.
I just thought it was weird you left out where I elaborated. It felt you were implying something, and I wasn't sure what.
Oh, right. I got confused. I was thinking he had an item we needed to confirm.
Summaries of what? What's going on right now? Or who's claimed what?
Elaborate on what you're asking for, please.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'm the watcher. I've made a case on AE that everyone ignored and it somehow makes me scum. AI is definitely not town no matter how you slice the pie, yet my lynch is somehow a foregone conclusion to turn up scum.
Seppel is a neutral who needs 420 gold to peace out of the game.
+ whatever else is going on.
Zindabad, who?
He claims to have watched Nom last night and that the only other player to target Nom is Nom himself. Nom is dead. Mystery abounds.
Why are you helping them? Bad neutral.
Wait you're neutral too. Why do you care?
Why not? As you've put it, if the mafia won't help me win, I'll just help the town.
Eh, true. I didn't think it was the same because you can't do anything until night, whereas my needs are immediate.
Taken out of context, this is an amazing quote.
Epic.