@TFF: I'd rather not reveal anything more than I have. The intention was to get the focus off me and back to relevant topics; you can see how well that's worked out.
It really feels like I am being called stupid, thus I must dispute with you on that matter. The other thing is that in calling me and everyone else on your wagon sheep you are ineffectively discrediting it and thus I must dispute you again.
It really feels like I am being called stupid, thus I must dispute with you on that matter. The other thing is that in calling me and everyone else on your wagon sheep you are ineffectively discrediting it and thus I must dispute you again.
I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you all lazy. I told Az from the beginning that his vote was terrible and had no basis.
Yes, the point of claiming was to get the attention off me and back to other topics. Because I knew (and ta da- was correct) that when Az started on me, the sheep were going to follow. I was trying to head it off at the pass.
please see post #736. Also his vote, and mine, have plenty of reason. When you saw a wagon breaking down from a true and emotional frustrated post and tried to keep it going by passing it off as fake. I am unimpressed by this and thus voted.
DYH does have a point here. Most of the people voting for DYH are just barning Azrael. Personally I don't trust Azrael at all, but DYH's actions don't add up from a townie perspective.
This.
I have trouble believing that DYH would claim so early (reason as to ward off the az-sheep, not sufficient) and I'd like an answer to this:
please see post #736. Also his vote, and mine, have plenty of reason. When you saw a wagon breaking down from a true and emotional frustrated post and tried to keep it going by passing it off as fake. I am unimpressed by this and thus voted.
So, how exactly do you know it isn't fake? And how does that justify a vote on me again - specifically knowing at the time I likely had a power role claim?
See, I can be suspicious of him faking the emotion and vote him for it; that's fair. You being suspicious of me for being suspicious of iBug's post infers some knowledge of alignment, or at worst, assuming he's town to implicate me as scum. Poor reasoning for a vote.
@Syrenz: If you don't think that was justification enough, I'd like to point you in the direction of this thread. Not happening. I'll die with that information in my hands before I reveal it.
@Syrenz: If you don't think that was justification enough, I'd like to point you in the direction of this thread. Not happening. I'll die with that information in my hands before I reveal it.
And most of the people who voted iBug early on did so, too. Then, once he makes what I considered a huge scum tell, Ced and I are on his case, suddenly Az is off and now everyone (especially Manders, who even went so far as to join the argument Az and I were having about said tells) is on me.
Hold on there a minute, buckaroo. Let's look at that again.
Applying a blanket statement to everything I said is a little excessive. Saying I that everything I say is a lie is untrue and you know it. Yeah, we get it. You think I'm scum. But you've been pushing me so hard for answers and explanations of all of these posts knowing full well that I can't satisfactorily answer everything. What exactly do you want me to do when I don't remember the exact thought process I went through for a given process? Say "Gee, Az, I don't know?" That's ridiculous and you know it.
I don't keep notes on the game. I have general ideas that I keep in my head, but I don't feel like writing everything down and going over it again and again to try to find some minute mistake. You keep pushing for this lynch, and I honestly don't believe there is ANYTHING I could say to actually defend myself. Not simply because I tried to recall my reasoning for my previous posts and wasn't great at it, but because you will twist anything I say to make me look scummy.
I have tried to be reasonable with you. But at this point I'm tired of you.
Yes, that is exactly what a townie should have done. Because we're looking for the truth. And when you say things that are not the truth, we can realize that, and we might just kill you.
That took much longer than I expected.
Unvote, vote DYH.
Responds to iBug's post just the way I would have had I gotten there first
I don't think anyone takes extensive notes on their own play, but they should certainly know what the reasoning was behind why they did something - not make it up later. Hell, a re-read of the thread up to where you made the post should give you some clue what was going through your mind.
No, that is not the part in question at all. Read 387 - 393. He takes a cheap shot at Az saying he thinks it's something he does to "confuse people", and six posts later says he's leaning town on him. There is no way he meant #387 in a positive light.
And your reaction to this is to unvote him, Az? My mind is officially blown.
I've been trying to break him down and get a genuinely emotional post out of him, instead of all these carefully composed apologies. Once I got it, it was clean.
Empty rhetoric, and you know it. Vote stands.
Azrael explains to you why he believes iBug is town. I believe, if you were town, you would have seen that Az was trolling him for a genuine response.
I'm sure you've done it at some point in your mafia career.
Let me elaborate on my disbelief of Azrael unvoting from this post a little more. Read this post and tell me it doesn't smack of "what I think you're doing to me is what a scum would do". He accuses Azrael of 'pushing him so hard for answers he knows he can't properly give' and 'twisting his meanings intentionally' - again, he's insinuating that Azrael is not exhibiting town behavior. Yet, iBug is not voting Az; he's trying to get him off his back. Plain and simple. In fact, he just recently unvoted him.
This after iBug was "leaning town on him (Az)" after saying he does things to "confuse people on purpose". He only came out with the part about meta for Azrael after it was discussed by others - iBug saying that initially was an accusation, not a compliment or even just a general statement. And now he's doing it again.
Maybe I'm wrong; so, I thought "could he be a townie afraid of Az?". I guess; except that he continues to fire right back. That doesn't make any sense. If he was just meekly succumbing to the pressure, that'd be one thing, but this guy's fiery. He's not afraid of Azrael - he's afraid of being caught.
His mindset and his posts do not sync; this guy shouldn't be playing the "I don't take notes" and "I wasn't great at it [explaining my reasoning]" cards. Those are almost 'newbie excuses', and clearly this guy fancies himself a better player than that. This is why I'm especially confused that Az has moved off this wagon given his mafia theory background.
iBug has twisted himself up in so many knots, he can't lie his way out of it, so now he's relying on self-pity and feigned anger in a last-ditch attempt. Or are you seriously buying this townie righteous indignation act, Az?
Unvote, Vote: DYH
Now let me explain why you deserve this vote
See, I see it as him accusing Azrael of tunnelvision. This, of course, isn't the case and Az was just pushing for a reaction, which I already thought before Az just posted that. Pushing for a genuine reaction is not scummy.
When else did you expect him to bring up anything about Az's meta? He's never played with Azrael before, so he, like I, have to rely on what you guys tell us unless we want to go read a game he was in...which I don't have time nor desire to do.
You're reaching here, buddy. You really think the fact that he's still arguing with Az is evident that he's worried about being caught? The more I read from him (iBug) the more I see that he truly is just confused. Can't fault a guy for that.
There's a perfectly logical explanation for this, DYH, and you know it. I don't want to give him an out and I would like to see him explain why he can't remember what he was thinking, but there is.
The fact that you're jumping on him for something that is really just a human mistake does it for me, man. You are reminding me of Highlander 100%. You won't be satisfied until he's claimed cop or vig, will you?
I respond to your post with rebuttal to all your points and a vote on you.
He's not accusing me of being scum. He's accusing me of being Cyan.
The guy is too slippery and image-conscious for his own good. And no one's going to be forgetting about his wealth of tells anytime soon. He keeps his guard up and he plays a very cool customer. But we've had exactly one post in the thread so far where he drops his guard, and when he did, I could more easily connect it to a thought process that looks like a townie who was biting his tongue while being harassed, than a scum under siege.
He's afraid of failure.
Alright, let's take a walk through of his wording in my next post.
Yes. And I think you're trying to manipulate me.
Az responds to your post at exactly the same time, making it impossible for me to have barned him in the reasons I gave for voting you.
So stop trying to discredit my case.
It really feels like I am being called stupid, thus I must dispute with you on that matter. The other thing is that in calling me and everyone else on your wagon sheep you are ineffectively discrediting it and thus I must dispute you again.
First point: no, he's not.
Second point: Yeah, he totally is.
I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you all lazy. I told Az from the beginning that his vote was terrible and had no basis.
It certainly did have basis, DYH. You should have seen what Az did, but since you didn't he voted you. Because you're scum
Yes, the point of claiming was to get the attention off me and back to other topics. Because I knew (and ta da- was correct) that when Az started on me, the sheep were going to follow. I was trying to head it off at the pass.
It's really not helping your case to continue calling us sheep, whether you feel that way or not. Makes you look desperate. Which, if you can't be lynched, you shouldn't.
@Syrenz: If you don't think that was justification enough, I'd like to point you in the direction of this thread. Not happening. I'll die with that information in my hands before I reveal it.
There is no KNOW in mafia all I have to go on are my reads, opinion, and experience. He sounds, feels, and acts like a frustrated townie. There is no hint of faking emotion that I can fin from that post. There is no reasonable way that i can see to not see him as town after a post like that.
My knowledge of his alignment comes completely from my reads of him, if i can trust no one else I can trust myself.
@Manders: No, not seeing that Azrael was trolling him for a reaction does not make me scum. The logical leap you are using to get there is far too wide.
Also, you might not like the term sheep, I apologize, but I again challenge you to look through this thread and find a different story being told. Everyone (including me in the early going) is following Azrael's lead without question.
There is no KNOW in mafia all I have to go on are my reads, opinion, and experience. He sounds, feels, and acts like a frustrated townie. There is no hint of faking emotion that I can fin from that post. There is no reasonable way that i can see to not see him as town after a post like that.
My knowledge of his alignment comes completely from my reads of him, if i can trust no one else I can trust myself.
I showed a reasonable way to interpret that post as non-townie.
Still doesn't change the fact you're assuming his alignment to condemn mine. Dangerous and faulty path to tread.
Everything in this game is dangerous, I believe myself to be correct and thus I tread the path I tread. You have done nothing to convince me otherwise.
I am using my own logic, and you have done nothing to disprove it more than attempting to misdirect and discredit your wagon. I still don't want you lynched till you get back, but you should be shortly there after.
@TFF: I'd rather not reveal anything more than I have. The intention was to get the focus off me and back to relevant topics; you can see how well that's worked out.
You're blithely dismissing yourself as a relevant topic. That seems a bit short-sighted, not to mention self-serving.
I am by no means saying Azrael is scum, but the blatant laziness in this game is overwhelming.
Laziness is not the reason people think you're scum.
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I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you all lazy. I told Az from the beginning that his vote was terrible and had no basis.
Dude.
There's a giant disconnect between "Az's targets are coming under fire", and "everyone is lazy". I initiate more wagons than is ordinary. Once those wagons are initiated, they come up for discussion. Then people decide whether to agree with them based on what they see.
People aren't repeatedly agreeing with my targets because they're suspending critical judgment. They're agreeing because I'm the guy finding targets to evaluate at the moment, period.
@Manders: No, not seeing that Azrael was trolling him for a reaction does not make me scum. The logical leap you are using to get there is far too wide.
Also, you might not like the term sheep, I apologize, but I again challenge you to look through this thread and find a different story being told. Everyone (including me in the early going) is following Azrael's lead without question.
Wong again. I have questioned him many times, and am not the only one. You are exaggerating profusely.
Wong again. I have questioned him many times, and am not the only one. You are exaggerating profusely.
Sure, "without question" may be a stretch - I had some doubts, myself, about iBug initially and voted Some One. But it is quite obvious that the only cases that generate any movement are those which Az is heading up.
You're blithely dismissing yourself as a relevant topic. That seems a bit short-sighted, not to mention self-serving.
True, but then again, I know I'm not a relevant topic, and tried to communicate that as such.
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Laziness is not the reason people think you're scum.
Really? Because it sure looks like I have 9 people voting me, and I'm not seeing much analysis, rather a lot of "/barn Az".
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Dude.
There's a giant disconnect between "Az's targets are coming under fire", and "everyone is lazy". I initiate more wagons than is ordinary. Once those wagons are initiated, they come up for discussion. Then people decide whether to agree with them based on what they see.
People aren't repeatedly agreeing with my targets because they're suspending critical judgment. They're agreeing because I'm the guy finding targets to evaluate at the moment, period.
Exactly - because they're being lazy and letting you do it for them.
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The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.
You still managed to make me smile; thanks for that.
OK, I'm not seeing the DYH thing and I'm really not seeing what IB did to placate az. In fact, I agree with DYH's analysis of IB's post more than az's justification to drop the case.
MH's vote was really bad, and she pretty much said "DYH WRONG VOTE DYH." She also should know better than to say ad hom is scummy - especially given recent conversations and games.
AI's vote on DYH is silly, because almost every "vet" I can think of has relied on a role to keep them from getting lynched at least once - and especially on Day 1.
...and since all of you who are so against my getting lynched while I'm gone have kindly run me up to L-3 already, I went ahead and submitted my ability to desCoures. Whether you like it or not, it's time to move on.
When I get back, I'll try to get my analyst-head screwed back on.
Exactly - because they're being lazy and letting you do it for them.
Doesn't work. Your point is that people need to evaluate wagons more critically, and because they're not thinking critically, they're voting for you as the topic du jour. Roughly accurate?
My point is that people are thinking critically: that they're critically evaluating the topic du jour. Regardless of the source.
Am I having a warping effect here? Yes. Are people failing to think critically? No.
Could we use more people who hunt down new leads proactively? Are people letting me do a lot of the heavy lifting in that department so far? Sure.
But that doesn't lead to the conclusion that there's any kind of fallacy inherent in your wagon.
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You still managed to make me smile; thanks for that.
This is what I was thinking of. Not as exact as I remembered it, but still similar in terms of experience, love of acronyms, and buzzwords.unvote, vote IB
That'd be funnier if he hadn't moved his vote to *drum roll* iBug.
Az, I get what you're saying, I really do. But I knew exactly what was going to happen the second you voted me (on a bad premise, IMO, as I've described) and I tried to cut it off the best way I knew how. Alas, here we are; the masses have followed. Be honest - do you think there's been much critical thinking on my wagon? Or more of a mob mentality?
Also, would you ask if the Emirati delegate would step forward please? They might listen.
Az, I get what you're saying, I really do. But I knew exactly what was going to happen the second you voted me (on a bad premise, IMO, as I've described) and I tried to cut it off the best way I knew how. Alas, here we are; the masses have followed. Be honest - do you think there's been much critical thinking on my wagon? Or more of a mob mentality?
I'm skeptical of your theory on the causation, and your characterization of the extent.
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Also, would you ask if the Emirati delegate would step forward please? They might listen.
Heh.
I doubt that would be such a good idea until we either get the sense that you're trustworthy while you're still breathing, or you give us a clearer explanation.
I don't know exactly what to make of the Az - DYH - iBug situation right now. I'll have to look over it again before making up my mind.
But I do agree with DYH that it is a bit disheartening to see how willing some are to follow Az, with what seems to be little thought process behind it.
Anyway, I hope to have a post on at least Talore later tonight. If not, look for it tomorrow.
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I'm skeptical of your theory on the causation, and your characterization of the extent.
Less legalese, please?
Do you, or do you not feel that most of the votes on my wagon are barns of you?
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Heh.
I doubt that would be such a good idea until we either get the sense that you're trustworthy while you're still breathing, or you give us a clearer explanation.
That would rather defeat the purpose (clearer explanation). I'll ask again, and that person can decide:
Do you, or do you not feel that most of the votes on my wagon are barns of you?
I think most of the people on this wagon are voting for you, using all the powers of reasoning that they would normally apply in evaluating any other wagon.
I do not think the source of the wagon is a valid defense for you.
I think your reaction to the initial pressure was like slitting your wrists in shark-infested waters.
I think you need a better defense than pointing at the speed of the bandwagon. Rapid bandwagons happen. How about the substance?
Azrael is the Rand Al'Thor of MTGS; the weave spins entirely around his actions - go read through this entire thread and dispute it. Try me.
Not everything in Wheel of Time revolves around Rand al'Thor and not everything here has revolved around Azrael. That is represented by wagons/votes that Az had nothing to do with.
That'd be funnier if he hadn't moved his vote to *drum roll* iBug.
Az, I get what you're saying, I really do. But I knew exactly what was going to happen the second you voted me (on a bad premise, IMO, as I've described) and I tried to cut it off the best way I knew how. Alas, here we are; the masses have followed. Be honest - do you think there's been much critical thinking on my wagon? Or more of a mob mentality?
Also, would you ask if the Emirati delegate would step forward please? They might listen.
You claimed unlynchable, no? Would it not make sense to test this claim? And, I might ask, is that a barn, or original thought?
I think most of the people on this wagon are voting for you, using all the powers of reasoning that they would normally apply in evaluating any other wagon.
I'm going to go ahead and state that I think you are totally wrong, here, and note that you still can't answer a question with yes or no, which is extremely infuriating. These votes primarily look like barns to me.
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I do not think the source of the wagon is a valid defense for you.
I still think your initial attack is poor (and not clearly stated, so I'm inferring mainly).
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I think your reaction to the initial pressure was like slitting your wrists in shark-infested waters.
And I know that it would've turned out the same way had I not reacted. In hindsight, this didn't work either, but it was taking a chance versus the known quantity.
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I think you need a better defense than pointing at the speed of the bandwagon. Rapid bandwagons happen. How about the substance?
What substance, Az? That you think iBug is town now based on a post that I think makes him scum? That I 'over-reacted' by claiming when I knew the wagon would follow? That I got snippy with Manders because she was being a sheep?
What substance, Az? That you think iBug is town now based on a post that I think makes him scum? That I 'over-reacted' by claiming when I knew the wagon would follow? That I got snippy with Manders because she was being a sheep?
Yep. Plus all this inexplicable nervousness. Enlighten us.
@Talore: It's actually worse, because you didn't commit to much of an opinion on my alignment, you simply wanted to test the claim. You tossed around "strange" twice, said it was scummy for me to attack the wagon with the sheep comment. It's generally considered scummy to be the barner, not the one calling it out - that's not a "always seems like a scummy thing". In fact, I'd like to see some similar circumstances you've encountered where that was the case and the person turned up scum, please. One step further, the placement of that statement in your post was strange (there's that word again), you speculated on my being a SuperSaint (why?), then talked about Vezok, then came back with that one-liner. More like it was an after-thought rather than a reason to vote me and test the claim.
To your first point, no wagon that Azrael hasn't been involved in has moved a muscle.
@Azrael: I've already explained why I think iBug's post was scummy. I've already explained why I claimed prematurely. Manders was exhibiting the behavior that I was trying to curtail. None of this is "inexplicable nervousness".
It's still an ongoing game (I've only been in three games and two are ongoing with me dead in them,) but Day 2 of CCMIV, Nacho Wizard made a case on Cyouni. Then everyone barned that case to l-2. Cyouni attacked each and every barn vote on that wagon. I eventually counter-claimed his doc claim after the heat died, his replacement also attacked the barn votes on him, then he died as scum. That's where I'm coming from in that respect.
I don't think speculation on how I format posts will go anywhere.
My speculation was that you had a role similar to a supersaint in that something would happen to whoever hammered you. I think miller is one such role, but I've never actually encountered it in a game and I could be completely wrong =P
I will elaborate slightly I think az is a very good player and I like his style, I think that you do however majorly over exaggerate. also please see post 736 :).
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If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask, and I'll likely answer them if they're appropriate.
You're missing a few people. If you don't know what to say about them, why aren't they in the neutral/no read pile?
Also, how do you manage to put Wrath_of_Dog into your town pile with only having three posts and game related content in only the first one? I understand he's having trouble reading the game and I don't hold that against him, but I would like to know why you've placed him in the town pile when he hasn't really done anything at all yet.
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I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you all lazy. I told Az from the beginning that his vote was terrible and had no basis.
Yes, the point of claiming was to get the attention off me and back to other topics. Because I knew (and ta da- was correct) that when Az started on me, the sheep were going to follow. I was trying to head it off at the pass.
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This.
I have trouble believing that DYH would claim so early (reason as to ward off the az-sheep, not sufficient) and I'd like an answer to this:
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So, how exactly do you know it isn't fake? And how does that justify a vote on me again - specifically knowing at the time I likely had a power role claim?
See, I can be suspicious of him faking the emotion and vote him for it; that's fair. You being suspicious of me for being suspicious of iBug's post infers some knowledge of alignment, or at worst, assuming he's town to implicate me as scum. Poor reasoning for a vote.
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Hold on there a minute, buckaroo. Let's look at that again.
I'm sure you've done it at some point in your mafia career.
So stop trying to discredit my case.
First point: no, he's not.
Second point: Yeah, he totally is.
It certainly did have basis, DYH. You should have seen what Az did, but since you didn't he voted you. Because you're scum
It's really not helping your case to continue calling us sheep, whether you feel that way or not. Makes you look desperate. Which, if you can't be lynched, you shouldn't.
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My knowledge of his alignment comes completely from my reads of him, if i can trust no one else I can trust myself.
Also, you might not like the term sheep, I apologize, but I again challenge you to look through this thread and find a different story being told. Everyone (including me in the early going) is following Azrael's lead without question.
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I showed a reasonable way to interpret that post as non-townie.
Still doesn't change the fact you're assuming his alignment to condemn mine. Dangerous and faulty path to tread.
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Hey you're the one that said - in the span of two sentences - "I am with Az", and "I am with Az again" upon voting me. Your words, not mine.
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You're blithely dismissing yourself as a relevant topic. That seems a bit short-sighted, not to mention self-serving.
Laziness is not the reason people think you're scum.
Dude.
There's a giant disconnect between "Az's targets are coming under fire", and "everyone is lazy". I initiate more wagons than is ordinary. Once those wagons are initiated, they come up for discussion. Then people decide whether to agree with them based on what they see.
People aren't repeatedly agreeing with my targets because they're suspending critical judgment. They're agreeing because I'm the guy finding targets to evaluate at the moment, period.
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.
Wong again. I have questioned him many times, and am not the only one. You are exaggerating profusely.
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Sure, "without question" may be a stretch - I had some doubts, myself, about iBug initially and voted Some One. But it is quite obvious that the only cases that generate any movement are those which Az is heading up.
True, but then again, I know I'm not a relevant topic, and tried to communicate that as such.
Really? Because it sure looks like I have 9 people voting me, and I'm not seeing much analysis, rather a lot of "/barn Az".
Exactly - because they're being lazy and letting you do it for them.
You still managed to make me smile; thanks for that.
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MH's vote was really bad, and she pretty much said "DYH WRONG VOTE DYH." She also should know better than to say ad hom is scummy - especially given recent conversations and games.
AI's vote on DYH is silly, because almost every "vet" I can think of has relied on a role to keep them from getting lynched at least once - and especially on Day 1.
~V~ has gone full blown az worship.
When I get back, I'll try to get my analyst-head screwed back on.
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Doesn't work. Your point is that people need to evaluate wagons more critically, and because they're not thinking critically, they're voting for you as the topic du jour. Roughly accurate?
My point is that people are thinking critically: that they're critically evaluating the topic du jour. Regardless of the source.
Am I having a warping effect here? Yes. Are people failing to think critically? No.
Could we use more people who hunt down new leads proactively? Are people letting me do a lot of the heavy lifting in that department so far? Sure.
But that doesn't lead to the conclusion that there's any kind of fallacy inherent in your wagon.
Good.
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Wow, my powers must be more pervasive than I thought.
Az, I get what you're saying, I really do. But I knew exactly what was going to happen the second you voted me (on a bad premise, IMO, as I've described) and I tried to cut it off the best way I knew how. Alas, here we are; the masses have followed. Be honest - do you think there's been much critical thinking on my wagon? Or more of a mob mentality?
Also, would you ask if the Emirati delegate would step forward please? They might listen.
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I'm skeptical of your theory on the causation, and your characterization of the extent.
Heh.
I doubt that would be such a good idea until we either get the sense that you're trustworthy while you're still breathing, or you give us a clearer explanation.
I don't know exactly what to make of the Az - DYH - iBug situation right now. I'll have to look over it again before making up my mind.
But I do agree with DYH that it is a bit disheartening to see how willing some are to follow Az, with what seems to be little thought process behind it.
Anyway, I hope to have a post on at least Talore later tonight. If not, look for it tomorrow.
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Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
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Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Less legalese, please?
Do you, or do you not feel that most of the votes on my wagon are barns of you?
That would rather defeat the purpose (clearer explanation). I'll ask again, and that person can decide:
Emirati delegate - announce yourself, please.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I think most of the people on this wagon are voting for you, using all the powers of reasoning that they would normally apply in evaluating any other wagon.
I do not think the source of the wagon is a valid defense for you.
I think your reaction to the initial pressure was like slitting your wrists in shark-infested waters.
I think you need a better defense than pointing at the speed of the bandwagon. Rapid bandwagons happen. How about the substance?
Not everything in Wheel of Time revolves around Rand al'Thor and not everything here has revolved around Azrael. That is represented by wagons/votes that Az had nothing to do with.
I do love the WoT references though
You claimed unlynchable, no? Would it not make sense to test this claim? And, I might ask, is that a barn, or original thought?
I'm going to go ahead and state that I think you are totally wrong, here, and note that you still can't answer a question with yes or no, which is extremely infuriating. These votes primarily look like barns to me.
I still think your initial attack is poor (and not clearly stated, so I'm inferring mainly).
And I know that it would've turned out the same way had I not reacted. In hindsight, this didn't work either, but it was taking a chance versus the known quantity.
What substance, Az? That you think iBug is town now based on a post that I think makes him scum? That I 'over-reacted' by claiming when I knew the wagon would follow? That I got snippy with Manders because she was being a sheep?
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Yep. Plus all this inexplicable nervousness. Enlighten us.
To your first point, no wagon that Azrael hasn't been involved in has moved a muscle.
@Azrael: I've already explained why I think iBug's post was scummy. I've already explained why I claimed prematurely. Manders was exhibiting the behavior that I was trying to curtail. None of this is "inexplicable nervousness".
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I don't think speculation on how I format posts will go anywhere.
My speculation was that you had a role similar to a supersaint in that something would happen to whoever hammered you. I think miller is one such role, but I've never actually encountered it in a game and I could be completely wrong =P
Why were you freaking out if you're unlynchable?
Why did you feel the overwhelming need to nip the wagon in the bud before it got larger?
Why so snippy? Why immediately?
Which players on your wagon do you intend to counterattack, and why?
What's your response to my sentence by sentence reads on Ibug's post?
Scum:
DYH
~V~
RafaelK
TheFooFish
Indomitablebug
Town:
AsianInvasion
Wrath_of_DoG
MandersHex
Skander
Talore
Azrael
Traitor/Jester:
Vezokpiraka
Ced395
Neutral/No Read:
Syrenz
~Tilde~
Nom Anor
Some One
Zchinque
If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask, and I'll likely answer them if they're appropriate.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Vote: iBug.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Why?
1) Reasons for each person please
2) There's only 18 players there
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
You're missing a few people. If you don't know what to say about them, why aren't they in the neutral/no read pile?
Also, how do you manage to put Wrath_of_Dog into your town pile with only having three posts and game related content in only the first one? I understand he's having trouble reading the game and I don't hold that against him, but I would like to know why you've placed him in the town pile when he hasn't really done anything at all yet.
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