A couple sentences for each point is over-the-top? When removed from context, it was definitely necessary to restate the context when answering TFF's question.
What is wrong with the first point? He called me out for posting junk/role flavor. They are far from the same thing, wouldn't you agree?
If there was a lot of other content in the post, sure. But we were way beyond the stage where posting what you did was relevant. A lot of what he called you on was junk; it was not contributing to the game state.
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I think calling it an explosive reaction is an exaggeration. The detail in the intial response is present when it is in context for all three points.
I don't think it's an exaggeration; there's a definite sense of anger in your responses.
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With point 3 out the window:
Point 1 is a dumb point to make to support a case; likewise for the second point. The first point may as well not exist and the second point isn't far off. Thus, there's nothing wrong with being dumbfounded by such frivolousness.
Dumbfounded isn't the term I would use, really. You didn't strike me as incredulous that he used that line of attack - more like offended. Which is relevant for point three, but not so much for 1 and 2. But, he did use some terms that I guess could have set you off - apparently having your stuff called "junk" is offensive, meh, who knows.
I don't feel like this argument is really going anywhere; that we're talking in circles. And as much as I don't like your early posting, there's not enough concrete stuff here to push this any harder.
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Your bastard mod would like to remind all that your bastard mod is generally not around on weekends. That said, slight food poisoning ensured your bastard mod wasn't around yesterday either. -_-
4. I do not believe he is scum currently, this a game of mafia all things are mutable.
5. It was a joke, vezokpiraka is useless and annoying but there is no reason to lynch him currently.
6. Glad we agree.
In general I try to stay away from the quote button, it bothers me.
A *normal* as you put it softclaim helps the town while giving very little information to the scum, this softclaim does not help the town or scum and might injure us. I am not attempting to monger fear I am merely pointing out that this softclaim will not do much, come up with a more useful one and I'm all ears. I cannot see a town existing bastard mod game or not that would benefit from knowing role names. Whereas a (insert evil title here) might need to kill a few specific targets and then they win.
I gave you all of my reasons, there was more than one so I listed them. I am unrepentant.
Yes Manders is still solidly town in my eyes, it is certainly a point against her however for those of us/you who keep notes and I thought I would bring it up. All points/information will become more and more important the longer the game progresses and there is no reason to let a single one be left behind.
I disagree. I remember having a fairly lengthy conversation with Loran when we were talking about how I survived until the end of Battle Royale despite claiming Some One's role, being caught scum early Day 1, etc. The reason was controlling the emotion in my posts, and just fading into the background.
If there was a lot of other content in the post, sure. But we were way beyond the stage where posting what you did was relevant. A lot of what he called you on was junk; it was not contributing to the game state.
But the points TFF brought up were not wholly in relation to junk.
I don't think it's an exaggeration; there's a definite sense of anger in your responses.
It's pretty justified given a small wagon started based off a meta argument in an ongoing game and not one person said "uhhh...dude?!!?!"
Dumbfounded isn't the term I would use, really. You didn't strike me as incredulous that he used that line of attack - more like offended. Which is relevant for point three, but not so much for 1 and 2. But, he did use some terms that I guess could have set you off - apparently having your stuff called "junk" is offensive, meh, who knows.
It was mostly the ridiculousness of the 3rd point.
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Well people are voting for some one.
Why shouldn't I?
Back to serious stuff. I believe he is scum. He usually just lurks there until a case is brought on him. I don't like him defending like there is no case at all.
Only scum do that from what I have seen
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Well people are voting for some one.
Why shouldn't I?
Back to serious stuff. I believe he is scum. He usually just lurks there until a case is brought on him. I don't like him defending like there is no case at all.
Only scum do that from what I have seen
Answer my ☺☺☺☺ing question or replace out. I've had it with you not reading the thread.
Back to serious stuff. I believe he is scum. He usually just lurks there until a case is brought on him. I don't like him defending like there is no case at all.
Only scum do that from what I have seen
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Regardless, it's funny to see Manders like this. Not her typical personality showing here :tongue:.
Glad you're enjoying it, honey.
The reason, as I'm sure you're all wondering, is it pisses me off he gets away with not providing any content, and people just let him off because "it's his playstyle". I asked him a specific question and he's now refusing to answer it.
I'd like to officially petition that he be replaced out due to refusing to participate. Is that possible?
See? He posts this:
Let me find manders quesiton. Not that I will answer it but at least I will read it.
The reason, as I'm sure you're all wondering, is it pisses me off he gets away with not providing any content, and people just let him off because "it's his playstyle". I asked him a specific question and he's now refusing to answer it.
Yeah, I know.
I'd like to officially petition that he be replaced out due to refusing to participate. Is that possible?
Generally forcing people to provide posts is the mods job and the player's job is to force them to provide content. Which kind of sucks.
Anyway, Vez is beginning to bug me a little. His play has none of pro-town vibe I picked up in Goo. And considering how easy a time I had reading him as town in that game, it worries me.
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I have a trigerred ability that lets me see everyperson who targets me at night with overt things.
I have another ability that lets me target a player and learn their trigerred abilities. It#s overt.
And now for the intresting part.
I am probably a Traitor.
My win ocn changes eassilly it seems.
I want to claim because if I get killed now my win con stays town and I can win the game with the town. It's clear tonight I will be turned mafia or reamin town. Anyway I think it's in the best intrest of me and the town to lynch me.
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Basically, you just opened a can of worms.
Gonna be a lot more difficult for us to win if we spend day one knowingly mislynching, isn't it? So why claim that?
If he's telling the truth, the best thing is not to lynch him but have someone shoot him tonight I believe. Actually, I think that's the best thing to do with him now, period.
I'm just trying to figure out if Vezok is this bad, or is a Jester and counting on his reputation to pull this off.
I would be really sad if there were jester's in this game though, despite my awareness that this is a bastard game.
You are not mis lynching.
Tomorrow I will be scum or in LyLo or someday. You are lynching me and giving me a chance to win with the town.
I have no idea why you claimed. By claiming you made yourself scum and forced us to deal with you.
Claiming was entirely selfish of you and not even rational, since there's no reason why scum and town shouldn't start the game with even chances of winning.
I have no strong opinion about it, love. As I'm sure you have noticed, I play in invisible mode, and have done so for years. [/QUOTE]
Indeed, I have noticed. I had also noticed that, during Kaizer's, you were not invisible. Why are you now?
FoS Zchinque[/QUOTE]
Interesting. You have a retinue large enough to see to the evacuation of the normal staff and you're apparently PERSONALLY capable of dealing with a terrorist. That doesn't sound like any Politician I know of. (Example - The Secret Service is there to protect the President, POTUS should NEVER have to deal with something like a mad bomber directly.)
Yeah, that seems to be a bit too much to be ignored. The "oops" seems like a heavy handed way of making a joke, but seems to be a WIFOM scum tell?
I want more info out of this guy. vote: Azrael
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"I want more info from this guy" is not a townie-type statement. Townies don't attack people for information, townies attack people they think are scum.
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How many times can he use the word "seems" in a single post? It's as if he's afraid to actually call you out here because he knows it's not true.
Then he must have stopped using it for awhile because I'm as sure he was visible during our 3 games together as I am sure that I'm a chick.
And I'm pretty damn sure about that
While I'm pretty sure zchinque has always been invisible, I believe I've seen TFF without invisible. Regardless, it doesn't mean anything.
You have yet to post anything of value, vezok. You're attempting to stay present in the game without doing any work, just pointing a finger here or there along with two wagons, and do nothing to help either one move forward or backward. If you'd just do something, you'd look a less scummy in my eyes. But all you've done is stand in the crowd and shout in agreement. I understand you attempt to survive until the end of every game, and I get how that makes things more enjoyable for you. But you have posted nothing of any worth whatsoever, complained about having to read the thread, and unless you want to do some work to help catch scum, you are a hindrance to the town. vote:vezokpiraka
This reads as trying to move attention away from yourself.
Some of NA's stuff bugged me as well, will try to post more soon.
Ig you don't lynch me today I will not provide results form my abilities.
Also if you wait until the mafia recruit me I will start outing your powers if they are good enough.
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Ig you don't lynch me today I will not provide results form my abilities.
Also if you wait until the mafia recruit me I will start outing your powers if they are good enough.
If you are town I hope you get put on probation or something.
I feel it's discourteous for him to squander his position when so many others would jump at the chance to have it.
While I am less than enamored with Vez' play, I am on principle strongly against trying to force him to replace out, or trying to have dC replace him against his will.
I'm all for vigging him though.
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We've both said a lot of things you're going to regret.
I think we can put our differences behind us.
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Because we fear he may be a Jester. They only win when lynched, right?
Two things:
If dC included a Jester he would be a dick, not a bastard.
If vez is a jester the worst that would happen is that he would win and we would keep playing. Games shouldn't end after a jester leaves - especially considering point 1.
I was referring more to the thought of waiting for him to convert to scum to vig him. He will always be a bad lynch, and he will just become a larger detriment to the town as he goes (especially if he's just going to go ahead and out roles).
If there was a lot of other content in the post, sure. But we were way beyond the stage where posting what you did was relevant. A lot of what he called you on was junk; it was not contributing to the game state.
I don't think it's an exaggeration; there's a definite sense of anger in your responses.
Dumbfounded isn't the term I would use, really. You didn't strike me as incredulous that he used that line of attack - more like offended. Which is relevant for point three, but not so much for 1 and 2. But, he did use some terms that I guess could have set you off - apparently having your stuff called "junk" is offensive, meh, who knows.
I don't feel like this argument is really going anywhere; that we're talking in circles. And as much as I don't like your early posting, there's not enough concrete stuff here to push this any harder.
Unvote
I need to step away from this and revisit with fresh eyes.
Does Emo_Pinata have a double vote?
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5. It was a joke, vezokpiraka is useless and annoying but there is no reason to lynch him currently.
6. Glad we agree.
In general I try to stay away from the quote button, it bothers me.
A *normal* as you put it softclaim helps the town while giving very little information to the scum, this softclaim does not help the town or scum and might injure us. I am not attempting to monger fear I am merely pointing out that this softclaim will not do much, come up with a more useful one and I'm all ears. I cannot see a town existing bastard mod game or not that would benefit from knowing role names. Whereas a (insert evil title here) might need to kill a few specific targets and then they win.
I gave you all of my reasons, there was more than one so I listed them. I am unrepentant.
Yes Manders is still solidly town in my eyes, it is certainly a point against her however for those of us/you who keep notes and I thought I would bring it up. All points/information will become more and more important the longer the game progresses and there is no reason to let a single one be left behind.
I disagree. I remember having a fairly lengthy conversation with Loran when we were talking about how I survived until the end of Battle Royale despite claiming Some One's role, being caught scum early Day 1, etc. The reason was controlling the emotion in my posts, and just fading into the background.
No.
But the points TFF brought up were not wholly in relation to junk.
It's pretty justified given a small wagon started based off a meta argument in an ongoing game and not one person said "uhhh...dude?!!?!"
It was mostly the ridiculousness of the 3rd point.
I keep going back and forth on iBug but I'm going to let my gut be the deciding factor.
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Why shouldn't I?
Back to serious stuff. I believe he is scum. He usually just lurks there until a case is brought on him. I don't like him defending like there is no case at all.
Only scum do that from what I have seen
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Answer my ☺☺☺☺ing question or replace out. I've had it with you not reading the thread.
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Why do you think ced is town?
Why do you think you will get a meaningful reply?
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Prepare to meet your doom :evillol:.
I think it's because of his low posting rate...
Regardless, it's funny to see Manders like this. Not her typical personality showing here :tongue:.
Did I say that I thought that?
I was going to reply to this with a :rofl:, but then I wondered if a wasn't more appropriate.
Let me find manders quesiton. Not that I will answer it but at least I will read it.
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Glad you're enjoying it, honey.
The reason, as I'm sure you're all wondering, is it pisses me off he gets away with not providing any content, and people just let him off because "it's his playstyle". I asked him a specific question and he's now refusing to answer it.
I'd like to officially petition that he be replaced out due to refusing to participate. Is that possible?
See? He posts this:
then leaves the freaking thread.
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I suspect you're just doing this for fun, which is kind of pathetic.
Yeah, I know.
Generally forcing people to provide posts is the mods job and the player's job is to force them to provide content. Which kind of sucks.
Why ask if you didn't?
Anyway, Vez is beginning to bug me a little. His play has none of pro-town vibe I picked up in Goo. And considering how easy a time I had reading him as town in that game, it worries me.
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It's like I am on the brink.
I think I will cliam now.
In my next post.
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I have a trigerred ability that lets me see everyperson who targets me at night with overt things.
I have another ability that lets me target a player and learn their trigerred abilities. It#s overt.
And now for the intresting part.
I am probably a Traitor.
My win ocn changes eassilly it seems.
I want to claim because if I get killed now my win con stays town and I can win the game with the town. It's clear tonight I will be turned mafia or reamin town. Anyway I think it's in the best intrest of me and the town to lynch me.
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@Zchinque: (a) It's worth trying, and (b) I usually have a method to my madness.
Previous post, I didn't see claim. Wow... digesting.
Too late
I have no idea what to make of Vezok's claim other than the fact that dC apparently made no promises against Jesters.
Tomorrow I will be scum or in LyLo or someday. You are lynching me and giving me a chance to win with the town.
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If he's telling the truth, the best thing is not to lynch him but have someone shoot him tonight I believe. Actually, I think that's the best thing to do with him now, period.
I'm just trying to figure out if Vezok is this bad, or is a Jester and counting on his reputation to pull this off.
I would be really sad if there were jester's in this game though, despite my awareness that this is a bastard game.
Oh, and stop claiming prematurely.
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I have no idea why you claimed. By claiming you made yourself scum and forced us to deal with you.
Claiming was entirely selfish of you and not even rational, since there's no reason why scum and town shouldn't start the game with even chances of winning.
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You see I was already getting suspicion from the town but held in the town categorry.
My mind is a maze.
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For science.
I have no strong opinion about it, love. As I'm sure you have noticed, I play in invisible mode, and have done so for years. [/QUOTE]
Indeed, I have noticed. I had also noticed that, during Kaizer's, you were not invisible. Why are you now?
FoS Zchinque[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he was.
Ever watch Air Force One?
This.
The deflection in this post is quite similar to this in Kaizers:
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This.
This is a weird new thing you've started.
While I'm pretty sure zchinque has always been invisible, I believe I've seen TFF without invisible. Regardless, it doesn't mean anything.
This reads as trying to move attention away from yourself.
Some of NA's stuff bugged me as well, will try to post more soon.
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I thought you had him on ignore :sneaky:.
I only saw the post you quoted, and it's ridiculous.
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It's been a long time. How have you been?
While I am less than enamored with Vez' play, I am on principle strongly against trying to force him to replace out, or trying to have dC replace him against his will.
I'm all for vigging him though.
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Oops lol.
We've both said a lot of things you're going to regret.
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Yeah, with that taken into consideration, he should be shot ASAP. -It sucks that he would win with the town though.
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