5. The 'town' in this game is the Politicians. The Politician win condition is: 'You win when only members of the Politicians are left.'
RafaelK's post in 160 doesn't sound like something a Politician might say. It sounds like something from a motivational speaker... or a Scientologist... who's OD'ed on Kool-Aid.
Note to those who don't know that speech: Youtube some combination of Glengarry Glen Ross and Alec Baldwin, it's a worthwhile 6-8 minutes. They use it (or used to) in real life estate agent courses, honest to God
Note to those who don't know that speech: Youtube some combination of Glengarry Glen Ross and Alec Baldwin, it's a worthwhile 6-8 minutes. They use it (or used to) in real life estate agent courses, honest to God
Well that waas the strangest pregame I've been part of. Ill have to reread to see if there really as anything to work with. In the meantime just an FYI I will be away this wknd for my birthday and probably not posting between fri and mon
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I don't even know what that would DO in this game.
But I think I'm opposed on principle to a mass-claim plan. For once.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
Thoughts on that?
At first I was going to say I supported the other extreme more, but then I realized that a lot of abilities in the game are completely hidden and probably not conformable and if my role is any indication the overt roles have drawbacks. This may actually be the best idea.
EWP: DYH, you forgot to through "Honestly, " in front of that sentence.
I get where you're coming from with the non-claiming, Azrael, but just because the game is self-proclaimed "bastardy", I don't think that means we should change the basic tenets of how we play it. Like in football, just because a team has a great pass defense doesn't mean you run the ball every time if you have Peyton Manning as your QB.
That's not even a great analogy, because short of what's in our own role PMs, we don't really know what the bastard-mod part of the game is. It might not even be role-related, in which case we're adapting a strategy to counteract something that isn't even there. (We don't know it's a good pass Defense to continue the analogy.) Hell, the bastard-mod part of it could be desCoures lying about it being a bastard-mod setup.
Of course, I think you've talked yourself out of that idea, anyway. Then again, you did ask for thoughts. How do you really feel about not claiming before lynches in this game, Az?
I feel like our chances of winning this as a vanilla game aren't too shabby, and in most bastard mod setups, claims are much more often a hindrance than a help.
There will be a few exceptions to that, but just because claiming prior to lynch is a traditional doesn't mean we shouldn't consider adapting our practice as necessary.
More information is almost always a good thing, but this might be a situation where the information is so heavily tainted that blinders are appropriate.
Wait a minute, I lied. I have caught scum based on the smilies they picked.
But I think I'm opposed on principle to a mass-claim plan. For once.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
Thoughts on that?
It's an interesting thought, but I'm not particularly enamored with it. For one, that would make this a game very similiar to Janus, and I didn't really enjoy that one. Another thing is that I think this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. People should still claim before being lynched - we should just be a lot more careful than usual not to clear people solely because of their claims.
If you think name-claims are going to help the town figure out anything either, I think you're sadly mistaken on that score as well. My country is a member of the axis of evil.
So unless you've got some special reason to ask, like, say, you're a hitman...then I'd prefer to simply play a good clean game of mafia and very sorely disappoint our dear mustachio-twirling moderator.
Ah, crap. Now he's going to be the American delegate, a vigilante with the additional win-con that the axis has to go down in flames. Great. Just great.
It's an interesting thought, but I'm not particularly enamored with it. For one, that would make this a game very similiar to Janus, and I didn't really enjoy that one. Another thing is that I think this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. People should still claim before being lynched - we should just be a lot more careful than usual not to clear people solely because of their claims.
/barn
On the softclaim: I don't see it necessarily hurting us in any way to claim country, but what does it really gain us? All of the softclaims I've been a part of have accomplished a combined nothing.
On the softclaim: I don't see it necessarily hurting us in any way to claim country, but what does it really gain us? All of the softclaims I've been a part of have accomplished a combined nothing.
It would have made a big difference at the end of Xyre's game with similar flavor.
I'm not interested in a mass soft claim at the moment. Didn't really do anything for us in Shrek.
Also, I've seen several games where scum are given safe-claims to make, which seems like something these guys would have. If terrorists were able to infiltrate this building, they'd probably be doing it under the guise of world leaders, right?
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
Thoughts on that?
Actually, you might have a point here. It's pretty safe to say that claim analysis is anything but safe. I'm glad you brought this up, but I also am of the opinion that not claiming at all is dangerous because I don't think everyone in this game will play the behavioral game correctly (specifically, I think there are players who as town may seem very scummy).
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I don't even know what that would DO in this game.
But I think I'm opposed on principle to a mass-claim plan. For once.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
Thoughts on that?
I have never played in a bastard game, so I'll openly admit I don't know which avenue will be more beneficial in the long run.
I will say that this is probably the best avenue to take as it makes sense.
I get where you're coming from with the non-claiming, Azrael, but just because the game is self-proclaimed "bastardy", I don't think that means we should change the basic tenets of how we play it. Like in football, just because a team has a great pass defense doesn't mean you run the ball every time if you have Peyton Manning as your QB.
That's not even a great analogy, because short of what's in our own role PMs, we don't really know what the bastard-mod part of the game is. It might not even be role-related, in which case we're adapting a strategy to counteract something that isn't even there. (We don't know it's a good pass Defense to continue the analogy.) Hell, the bastard-mod part of it could be desCoures lying about it being a bastard-mod setup.
Of course, I think you've talked yourself out of that idea, anyway. Then again, you did ask for thoughts. How do you really feel about not claiming before lynches in this game, Az?
I'm not interested in a mass soft claim at the moment. Didn't really do anything for us in Shrek.
Also, I've seen several games where scum are given safe-claims to make, which seems like something these guys would have. If terrorists were able to infiltrate this building, they'd probably be doing it under the guise of world leaders, right?
Jumped on TFF for something highly minor, from what I can see. I don't think it's worth a vote yet, though.
I'm leaving my vote on Ced since he's scum.
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Yeah, I'm not sure this game would be so easy to break...maybe it's about time we did that name-claim?
But, wait, you just said this:
Quote from AI »
Actually, you might have a point here. It's pretty safe to say that claim analysis is anything but safe. I'm glad you brought this up, but I also am of the opinion that not claiming at all is dangerous because I don't think everyone in this game will play the behavioral game correctly (specifically, I think there are players who as town may seem very scummy).
Make up your mind. Are you for or against a name/country claim?
RafaelK's post in 160 doesn't sound like something a Politician might say. It sounds like something from a motivational speaker... or a Scientologist... who's OD'ed on Kool-Aid.
It doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Did it come with free crack?
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The Family
Agreeed
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Sure. Any claim is good.
I'm usually neutral about softclaims.
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Slip much?
Vote: TFF
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Haha, I guess my country is in my name. I didn't really think about it. I have no problem going first though.
Wait a minute, I lied. I have caught scum based on the smilies they picked.
Oh boy.
So I've done it once as scum, and once as town. Is your theory that that means there's a 50% chance I'm scum?
Hydra vote: WoD
I don't even know what that would DO in this game.
But I think I'm opposed on principle to a mass-claim plan. For once.
This is a bastard game. The less attention we pay to abilities, the better off we'll be. The minute someone gets tempted to perform role analysis, our chances go down the toilet. Seriously. I almost want to say that we shouldn't claim at all prior to the lynch, because it's most likely to mislead us than anything else.
Thoughts on that?
What do you mean your country is in your name?
I'm against any claiming at this time except for TFF.
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WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
EWP: DYH, you forgot to through "Honestly, " in front of that sentence.
I get where you're coming from with the non-claiming, Azrael, but just because the game is self-proclaimed "bastardy", I don't think that means we should change the basic tenets of how we play it. Like in football, just because a team has a great pass defense doesn't mean you run the ball every time if you have Peyton Manning as your QB.
That's not even a great analogy, because short of what's in our own role PMs, we don't really know what the bastard-mod part of the game is. It might not even be role-related, in which case we're adapting a strategy to counteract something that isn't even there. (We don't know it's a good pass Defense to continue the analogy.) Hell, the bastard-mod part of it could be desCoures lying about it being a bastard-mod setup.
Of course, I think you've talked yourself out of that idea, anyway. Then again, you did ask for thoughts. How do you really feel about not claiming before lynches in this game, Az?
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
There will be a few exceptions to that, but just because claiming prior to lynch is a traditional doesn't mean we shouldn't consider adapting our practice as necessary.
More information is almost always a good thing, but this might be a situation where the information is so heavily tainted that blinders are appropriate.
I mean it's in my role name as an adjective with which I wasn't entirely familiar.
And I agree with this piece, but I'd still like to do a soft-claim, as that's entirely different.
I might be swayed by this enough to Unvote, but IGMEOY.
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
It's an interesting thought, but I'm not particularly enamored with it. For one, that would make this a game very similiar to Janus, and I didn't really enjoy that one. Another thing is that I think this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. People should still claim before being lynched - we should just be a lot more careful than usual not to clear people solely because of their claims.
So unless you've got some special reason to ask, like, say, you're a hitman...then I'd prefer to simply play a good clean game of mafia and very sorely disappoint our dear mustachio-twirling moderator.
/barn
On the softclaim: I don't see it necessarily hurting us in any way to claim country, but what does it really gain us? All of the softclaims I've been a part of have accomplished a combined nothing.
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
Also, I've seen several games where scum are given safe-claims to make, which seems like something these guys would have. If terrorists were able to infiltrate this building, they'd probably be doing it under the guise of world leaders, right?
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
:shrug::munch:
Actually, you might have a point here. It's pretty safe to say that claim analysis is anything but safe. I'm glad you brought this up, but I also am of the opinion that not claiming at all is dangerous because I don't think everyone in this game will play the behavioral game correctly (specifically, I think there are players who as town may seem very scummy).
Obvious terrorist is obvious.
Unvote
Vote dropkickdude
EWP: Meh, still like my vote for now.
Vote: Dropkickdude
If this weren't a bastard game he'd be obvscum.
As is, I think he's worth a starting point.
FoS Azrael
Yeah, I'm not sure this game would be so easy to break...maybe it's about time we did that name-claim?
Explain the vote please.
Seriously? You're jumping on him for that?
I have never played in a bastard game, so I'll openly admit I don't know which avenue will be more beneficial in the long run.
I will say that this is probably the best avenue to take as it makes sense.
However, I have a question for you, Az.
What about those two posts made you change your mind?
And a backpedal. I'm not sure if this makes you scum or not, but it's certainly worth keeping my eyes on you.
Gut feeling says they don't have false claims.
Jumped on TFF for something highly minor, from what I can see. I don't think it's worth a vote yet, though.
I'm leaving my vote on Ced since he's scum.
Edit:
But, wait, you just said this:
Make up your mind. Are you for or against a name/country claim?
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@Mander - What makes you think his posts changed my mind?
So, what did change your mind? Because I'm finding it awfully hard to trust you atm.
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Based on what occurred, the chances that dkd is scum have just risen significantly. If I have to spell it out for you, you probably deserve a FoS too.
I'm inclined to agree.
I'd be willing to entertain either possibility. Discuss.