"What has Sgt_Chubbz done wrong other than compile the worst Town/Scum list in the history of Mafia? (And even that's a pro-Town action.)"
"We're never going to reach a lynch if everyone clings on to their preferred scum candidate to the extent of refusing to vote anyone else."
"So, here's my list of who I might be prepared to lynch. No reasons as yet in some cases, because like kpaca I prefer not to tip my hand."
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1) Seppel - He is still not cooperating and is scummy as anything.
2) AsianInvasion - Virtually every post he makes pings my scumdar.
3) Emo_Pinata
4) Aquajolt - Mainly because I trust burboy, there's too little data for my tastes.
5) Cyouni
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1) Promatim raves about a serial killer. Calling attention to the likelihood of an anti-town neutral on D1 is a very strong indication of that person being an anti-town neutral.
Promatim mentions a historical character who was a serial killer, but makes no further reference to a mafia SK until after others have jumped all over it (to his surprise).
2) Jack the Ripper has no known birth year. So when asked to claim a birth year, Promatim said the first decade he knew of: The 1880's. New Promatim's refusal to nameclaim and strict adherence to Cthulhu flavor leads me to believe New Promatim didn't have a nameclaim ready. Hell, I had no idea this game was about Cthulhu until people started mentioning the dude.
So you're suggesting that Promatim is a serial killer? If so, why on earth would he claim anything even remotely connected with Jack the Ripper? It's not like he was put on the spot, face to face, and didn't have time to think of something smarter...
Just to make it clear, my intention was not to pick apart your argument in order to reflect badly on you, rather to try to broaden your vision. We know there are definitely scum in this game, whereas a serial killer is only a vague possiblity, it makes more sense to hunt for an enemy we know exists.
@bateleur: Off the top of my head, here are players that I'd be prepared to see lynched today (in no particular order):
Some One
Teknolink
AsianInvasion
SGT Chubbz
These are not the only players of whom I'm suspicious, but I'd prefer to keep that extended list to myself at this stage if that's OK. My immediate aim is to try to narrow in on which of the above I will actually be placing a vote for.
1) Seppel - He is still not cooperating and is scummy as anything.
2) AsianInvasion - Virtually every post he makes pings my scumdar.
3) Emo_Pinata
4) Aquajolt - Mainly because I trust burboy, there's too little data for my tastes.
5) Cyouni
"If possible, I'd like a list like this from everyone. Failing that, please at least comment on which of mine you'd support."
Promatim mentions a historical character who was a serial killer, but makes no further reference to a mafia SK until after others have jumped all over it (to his surprise).
The post where he "mentions" Jack the Ripper makes him look high-strung.
If so, why on earth would he claim anything even remotely connected with Jack the Ripper? It's not like he was put on the spot, face to face, and didn't have time to think of something smarter...
IT IS A NEWB ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL SLIP TO MENTION AN ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL ON D1.
IT IS A NEWB ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL SLIP TO MENTION AN ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL ON D1.
So we agree that it would have been stupid for Promatim to start talking serial killers if he were one. Why do you see that as proof that he is? I'm sure you've mentioned scum once or twice during this game...
Again, this is looking like I'm picking on you, which wasn't my intention - I just think that it's not helpful to the town to try to chase down one role that may not even exist. Since you're set on voting Promatim/passilisk anyway for being anti-town, that's fine, just as long as serial-killer hunting isn't distracting you from scumhunting.
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Going by your reasoning, Seppel, you'd be the prime suspect for serial killer right now. You've almost convinced me to vote for you, and in a very short space of time.
If you're still convinced that Promatim/passilisk is a serial killer, and you're pushing hard for others to vote for him (I'm assuming that's what this was all about), where's your vote right now?
Going by your reasoning, Seppel, you'd be the prime suspect for serial killer right now. You've almost convinced me to vote for you, and in a very short space of time.
If you're still convinced that Promatim/passilisk is a serial killer, and you're pushing hard for others to vote for him (I'm assuming that's what this was all about), where's your vote right now?
It's BEEN on Promatim for like forever. I've moved onto Sgt. Mayonnaise because "fight for what you believe in" gets comments like this:
"If possible, I'd like a list like this from everyone. Failing that, please at least comment on which of mine you'd support."
I'm fine with either E_P, pass, or TL right now.
Seppel is one that I feel can be saved till D2 barring that he cooperates with passing the book.
I'd agree to pass to Calvin, if wakes up....
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[BOX=400]"So, here's my list of who I might be prepared to lynch. No reasons as yet in some cases, because like kpaca I prefer not to tip my hand."[/BOX]
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1) Seppel - He is still not cooperating and is scummy as anything.
2) AsianInvasion - Virtually every post he makes pings my scumdar.
3) Emo_Pinata
4) Aquajolt - Mainly because I trust burboy, there's too little data for my tastes.
5) Cyouni
[BOX=400]"If possible, I'd like a list like this from everyone. Failing that, please at least comment on which of mine you'd support."[/BOX]
Seppel: Lynch if he is unwilling to pass to a majority agreed target, otherwise no.
AsianInvasion - Okay, I already had him marked as possible scum
Emo_pinata - No, looks very town to me.
Aquajolt - Sure, I get the same feeling as burboy.
Cyouni - Why? Could you point it out? maybe low post count? Otherwise no.
Personally I also would be willing to lynch Teknolink for previously mentioned reasons.
Some One - Chubbz doesn't know.
desCoures - Chubbz leans town.
TeknoLink - Chubbz says *coughgodfathercough*. What the hell?
Aquajolt27 - Chubbz says town, forgiving KrackShott's behavior.
SGT_Chubbz - Chubbz says scum.
passislisk - "Let's stop talking about the SK. We need his kills."
Jesus ham-eating Christ. Unvote, vote Sgt_Chubbz.
so lemme get this one right, ,My reads differ from your scum list in that you think they're all scum, and i saw idk, lean town, could be godfather ploy (it could be, don't be an ignorant jackass and say it couldn't be), forgiving a newb bad start and not draw and quartering his replacement for it, self sarcasm, And way to shove words in my mouth.
FYI you don't need to shove crap in my mouth, I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself.
Seriously, if you feel that strongly about the presence of a serial killer, convince me! Bear in mind that I don't consider the claimed birth-decade to be evidence in favour of this, so hopefully you have something else to support your viewpoint.
This. Seppel, if you're SO concerned about a 8 year kid wandering into your room and slashing off your testies while your FOSing your wife, Then make a Comprehensive case on the whole ☺☺☺☺ing thing. otherwise give it a rest already.
"We're never going to reach a lynch if everyone clings on to their preferred scum candidate to the extent of refusing to vote anyone else."
"So, here's my list of who I might be prepared to lynch. No reasons as yet in some cases, because like kpaca I prefer not to tip my hand."
<flips to another notepad page>
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1) Seppel - He is still not cooperating and is scummy as anything.
2) AsianInvasion - Virtually every post he makes pings my scumdar.
3) Emo_Pinata
4) Aquajolt - Mainly because I trust burboy, there's too little data for my tastes.
5) Cyouni
"If possible, I'd like a list like this from everyone. Failing that, please at least comment on which of mine you'd support."
Does the 'worst town/scum list in the history of mafia' count?
out of your five;
Seppel: seems to just jump whoever the ☺☺☺☺ he can muster enough attention on atm, and has been following The SK trail for the last 4 episodes. while i still think he's town. those names are getting on my nerves fast.
AI: Most of AI's posts have been scorching my ass for things i've said
E_P: <dagger slap fight> though his reactions lately have gotten more defensive (seeming)
Aquajolt: replacing KS, and has been doing better (town wise IMO) though i'm wondering why he's fine lynching teknolink given TL's Doppleganger claim....
Cyouni: can't remember anything outstanding from him (again?)
If i had to pick one of the 5; it would be E_P. while lynching seppel would make him STFU, he's acting like he does as town and that sadly means i have to continue to read his broken caps lock keys posts.
If you're still convinced that Promatim/passilisk is a serial killer, and you're pushing hard for others to vote for him (I'm assuming that's what this was all about), where's your vote right now?
It's BEEN on Promatim for like forever. I've moved onto Sgt. Mayonnaise because "fight for what you believe in" gets comments like this:
"I moved it to SGT_NCNEWB because it's too hard to for to lynch who i want"
^is that paraphrase right? now better question: Do you truly believe I'm scum or just want an easy person to vote for?
People don't know how to properly drive wagons with unsavory tactics these days. If you are going to try and change someone name to something like "scumblind" in order to sway people your way, you need to wait till like l-4 or L-3. That way you can pick up any stragglers who want to be swayed by the large wagon their peers are on. If you use that tactic in the beginning, you just look like a tool.
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Congrats, with the day stalling and us going no where, I am now giving you the primetime ultimatum.
Post something meaningful in your next post or I will see you dead. I expect this post to include 3 players you have at the top of your scum list and why, 4 players at the top of your town list and why, and 2 players you have absolutely no read on, as well as what about them confuses you.
Then at the end of that post i want you to place a vote.
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Congrats, with the day stalling and us going no where, I am now giving you the primetime ultimatum.
Post something meaningful in your next post or I will see you dead. I expect this post to include 3 players you have at the top of your scum list and why, 4 players at the top of your town list and why, and 2 players you have absolutely no read on, as well as what about them confuses you.
Then at the end of that post i want you to place a vote.
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Top 3 Scum
Seppel
-Seppel had the really bad freakout under the smallest of pressure; a strange claim (and vanilla to boot,) and has been pursuing vendettas rather than actual scumhunting. The amount of force he has pushed on the issue of an SK looks like either he is it, or he's trying to distract from himself (which seems to be working,) while looking to be doing hunting at the same time.
Emo_Pinata
-E_P just hasn't sat well with me. He's been agressive, but I don't think it's been in the righteous townie way. The level of nitpicking; it seemed to me like he was trying to get me to trip on something so he could hammer that, indeed he made a case on me that felt really forced and incohesive.
Aquajolt
-Krackshot had 0 content, and his replacement hasn't done anything to convince me that he's town.
Top 4 Town
kpaca
Burboy
nacho wizard
Bateleur
All are active most are scumhunting. Kpaca seems to be leading the town. Burboy is pretty zealous and isn't trying to attack weak points, he's quite vindictive and I'd be shocked if he was scum. Nacho wizard has had some pretty brilliant points, and although yoss is rough, he knows what he is doing. Bateleur has had some really good insights, fairly objective thinking, and is acting reasonable with his inquisitions and pursuits. I don't see any of these people as scum.
2 Neutral
Dagger
desCoures
Dagger has made many multi-quote lists and inquiries; some of which felt objective and well-thought out with a town mindset, but some others felt... different than the rest in the amount of attacking. A mixed read.
desCoures has had some pretty bad activity, and seems to be still in the stage of asking for clarifications on everything. I need to see more from dC. Neutral.
I'm going to go back to my previous vote, and Vote: Seppel. You still haven't acted townie at all to me. An interesting comment that I saw from Bateleur I believe was he referenced the 'Book of Changes' as the 'Necronomicon.'
@Anyone who wants Seppel to confirm with the book: Do you have any idea what the 'book' really does?
Waiting for E_P's reads, which still haven't surfaced. Aquajolt needs to post more, and with more meaningful content, like analysis.
Sorry I have to be beat with a yardstick to post well. =P
Posts content. actually gives content. doesn't speculate about flavor contantly. also isn't bringing up random neutral PR's from out of nowhere.
I never said it did?
well, we've got 2 scenarios that could happen here.
A.) i don't respond to posts made at me, act like a jackass who doesn't read the thread, and get hammered for said jackassness.
b.) i respond to those posts, (which combined with my lurking) gets me in deeper ☺☺☺☺ with all of you than no saying anything at all.
see my initiative here? don't post, get attacked. post, get attacked. get attacked, get attacked.
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those are really good points on A.) why bringing up a SK from left field while being a SK would be stupid as hell B.) why a name claim wouldn't be all that useful to town, whereas mafia could make a better judge off PR's from it.
this.
This tells me absolutely nothing as to wtf (why the ☺☺☺☺) you want me dead.
OK, lemme get this straight. I'm not allowed to be intimidated by veteran mafia players in a large 22 person game, and then I'm scum because i don't respond to posts aimed at me, but then I'm scum because that's all i do. OK, now i got it. -.-
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Emo_Pinata: has been 'talking' with dagger for the last how many pages. like everyone else has said seems like two townies has a small slap fight. though he's seemed more aggressive with questions to him recently (see his posts toward dagger, and Talore.) leaning town Some One: Talore: besides the recent posts about talking to E_P about his actions earlier in the thread, i can't recall anything really outstanding/relevent about his posts atm. nuetral nacho wizard: Aggressive. Aggressive what i don't know, but aggressive nonetheless ($20 says he'll swear at me for saying that) Aggressive town? (yes it gets it's own category) Promatimpassislisk: Promatim's lackluster near contentless posts put his as noob scum imo, but the serial killer fiasco put him as a SK in the sights of various players (i swear it's the red scare with SKer's) but i don't think he's a SK, just that Promatim speculates too much from nothing. desCoures: the only real thing i've seen from him are posts asking lots of questions about all kind of things. flavor, reasoning, screw-ups, backpedaling, etc. leaning town. burboy: still shooting for KS's aquajet's lynch from KS's bad start to the game. has a strange posting interaction with Nacho, and varies with aggression levels. aggressive town Fenris: His last post asked Kpaca for criteria to make his cleared town list, I'd call that fishing for town cues. FOS: Fenris. Leaning scum Calvin: another non outstanding poster, and is gone for two weeks (currently unconscious from being hit by a moose) unconscious nuetral Seppel: i would note Seppel's immature and near flame like comments, but that's just seppel being seppel. Claimed vanilla town (Fu Xi?) with an item (the book of changes if i recall right?) yet still getting flak for the random SK mentality that seems to have engulfed players like the red scare. I think the SK talk is BS, and as such am dropping my suspicions on seppel. (IMO) Town. Kpaca's gonna hit me for that, but i don't care. TeknoLink: Claimed Town Doppleganger. while the charcter flavor (could) fit, i'm still leery (from never hearing doppleganger as a PR before) and the possibility of the ballziest Godfather claim ever. AlphaInsidious: hasn't posted much lately, and i can't remember wtf his last post was even about. idk nuetral AsianInvasion: ☺☺☺☺ing Scum-hunter extraordinaire. Town. Even though he's grilling my ass most of the time. kpaca: His play how i wanna play and don't take your BS attitude has had people saying he's town almost from the beginning, that and scumhunting (or dunking, as he puts it sometimes?) Town. bateleur: box talking, apastrophe using mystery. also seems to be english. that could be the avatar though. no clue here. Dagger: mainly talking with E_P, and the whole town V town slap fight thing again. leaning town KrackShottAquajolt27: KS posted next to nothing, besides random question, and flavor speculation, but aquajolt is doing a better job. KS could have been newb town or scum, but Aquajet seems town. Monkey_Playing_MTGCastle: While Monkey's activity level was even worse than my own (shocking i know), Castle (by watching his play of the last CC mafia) should step the content/posts up way more than monkey, though re-reading monkey and watching how castle goes from here should be by next thing after i post this Nuetral. Cyouni: under memory range again nuetral SGT_Chubbz: Lurking Contentless Scum. hang his ass. Oh wait.... The_Muffin_Man:last post screams inpatient scum. "let's just hang one of these 3 people i deem scum, cuz i'm bored and all this is worthless chatter"
isn't it in the town's favor to slow down lynches, giving scum more time to out themselves by screwing up/being impatient?
You're my best scum atm TMM. Vote: TMM seratonin: again under memory. nuetral
Seppel, easy on the caps lock there dude.
also, pardon the mass amount of smileys. it's taken me nearly 4 hours 7+ hours to make this post with interruptions. needless to say, if i look at this thread before tomorrow, i'll shoot myself. @TMM: Which AI.
Trolololololol @ your post.
Somebodies feelin some OMGUS.
I'm sorry, I am a little bit impatient. We've got like 4-5 people we are positive are scum (you being one of them), so we should just ****ing lynch them and move on.
I was referring to AsianInvasion, but he's less scum I suppose.
I mean seriously, everyone needs to place their votes on one of the top two targets sooner or later. We're on page 27 and are in trouble of getting bogged down and flooding our motor.
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I mean seriously, everyone needs to place their votes on one of the top two targets sooner or later. We're on page 27 and are in trouble of getting bogged down and flooding our motor.
I don't know. This thread moves too fast for me to realize who you suspect.
I suppose it's not Promatim (Castle) anymore, but I don't get who you meant.
The two big wagons, Chubbz and Seppel, though I suppose a Primetime wagon could be considered likely. Either way the stragglers need to get roped in with the rest of us.
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the problem is that there are like 6 or 7 people not really contributing at all. I couldn't even name more than 15 of the 22 people "playing" in this game atm. Makes it hard to actually get a lynch going.
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@Anyone who wants Seppel to confirm with the book: Do you have any idea what the 'book' really does?
No? That is why we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch him when we know whether he was lying or not. Anything that doesn't guarantee him confirmation means a lynch.
@Kpacado we need to make a plan for who hammers either of those?
No? That is why we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch him when we know whether he was lying or not. Anything that doesn't guarantee him confirmation means a lynch.
Because no matter what it does, there's no way the book could make someone lie about it's nature.
Waiting for E_P's reads, which still haven't surfaced.
This seems like an extreme stance since I promised to post them later earlier today.
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I think the following are not scum:
nacho wizard
passislisk
burboy
Calvin
kpaca
People who probably are not scum:
bateleur
Some One
Castle
seratonin
People bugging me, but I don't want to press:
Talore - Non-canon character of mod's invention.
Dagger - Difficult read because of the QT thread's influence.
desCoures - Posts read more like dead dC from Eco's blog in Asphodel than his normal MO.
Don't have a good opinion on:
Fenris
Cyouni
I would not be sad to see the following die:
Seppel
TeknoLink
AsianInvasion
Aquajolt27
SGT_Chubbz
The_Muffin_Man
Of those I am willing to lynch:
Seppel - Circumstantial evidence is still worthwhile in this game, but probably my bottom pick of those listed here. I do not think he's lying about his item, but I would not be surprised if he chose his role based on his item to hide who/what he is and I don't think the item speaks for his alignment. There is one part of his claim giving me pause, but I have changed my mind on what his hint at the size of his role PM says. The fact that he had an item card would also make it large so quoting poems from it means little to nothing.
SGT_Chubbz - Only seems to engage when accused of something, says some things that irk me such as:
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Cha, right. If i had help with this game, do you think i would such this much?
Also, I remember him being vote crazy in the game I played with him previously, and I don't know why he's being so stingy here.
The_Muffin_Man - There's a lot of strange mafia dialect from him that bugged me before, but I was forgiving having read the other games he was in. However, his post (#1004) just keeps bugging me, and reminds me of MendersHex in Joss Whedon mafia when she (as scum) said that the town should choose which of the people that commonly appeared on scum lists to lynch and move forward with the game because Day 1 was going on so long. The resignation to move forward into night always reads as scum itching to get to night and curtail discussion to me.
If our choices are between Seppel and Sgt, than the Sgt is better move. Seppel still has a chance to prove his alliegences and depending on what happens with the book during the night, we can get him tomorrow. My current vote to Promatim has since been allievated (not erased) by passislik's tact, so while there is still some suscupicion there, it's enough to Unvote.
As for moving the day along, I don't agree with the Seppel bandwagon. While his behavoir isn't ideal, we can use the book as a scum indicator now and we can wait to lynch him.. Since my personal deposition on voting has largely been on who's the most convincing, Vote Sgt. Chubbz.
an aside to kpaca: I'm not a very confortational person. After thinking about it, I realized that information like that is that very valuable, so I see your rationale behind not tipping your hand. Honestly, I'm just trying to survive.
the problem is that there are like 6 or 7 people not really contributing at all. I couldn't even name more than 15 of the 22 people "playing" in this game atm. Makes it hard to actually get a lynch going.
No? That is why we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch him when we know whether he was lying or not. Anything that doesn't guarantee him confirmation means a lynch.
@Kpacado we need to make a plan for who hammers either of those?
When we consider anyone could have an item then we should probably be very careful with who we have hammer. This goes for anybody.
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so lemme get this one right, ,My reads differ from your scum list in that you think they're all scum, and i saw idk, lean town, could be godfather ploy (it could be, don't be an ignorant jackass and say it couldn't be), forgiving a newb bad start and not draw and quartering his replacement for it, self sarcasm, And way to shove words in my mouth.
Godfather IS likely. The other option is a scum self-watcher. What I'm saying is that you made a slip there by trying to compensate for his role.
This. Seppel, if you're SO concerned about a 8 year kid wandering into your room and slashing off your testies while your FOSing your wife, Then make a Comprehensive case on the whole ☺☺☺☺ing thing. otherwise give it a rest already.
I. DID. 27 POSTS BEFORE YOURS.
And the original case I made exemplifying his anti-town behavior is farther back somewhere.
kpaca: Happily. I am a relatively inexperience Mafia player is a room full of people who have a better idea of what's going on. I am unable to get a clear read on anyone beyond what is told, mainly because despite keeping up with the thread, all I can ascertain is who I can trust, not who I can't. I'm naturally inclined to believe people unless they do something to completely lose their crediability.
I'm coming from this from a purely rational standpoint that I do my best to make sure I don't give a reason to come after me.
I am however aware, that as time goes on I will have to venture out of my shell to the benefit of the town, at the risk of my own safety and as such I will say that between you and bats have the town best interest at heart and I trust your judgement, so long as it doesn't conflict with my own assessment of the situation. Which is why I'm taking your advice to join a wagon, but why I'm not ready to jump on killing Seppel (though, your original arguement still rings true).
kpaca: Happily. I am a relatively inexperience Mafia player is a room full of people who have a better idea of what's going on. I am unable to get a clear read on anyone beyond what is told, mainly because despite keeping up with the thread, all I can ascertain is who I can trust, not who I can't. I'm naturally inclined to believe people unless they do something to completely lose their crediability.
I'm coming from this from a purely rational standpoint that I do my best to make sure I don't give a reason to come after me.
I am however aware, that as time goes on I will have to venture out of my shell to the benefit of the town, at the risk of my own safety and as such I will say that between you and bats have the town best interest at heart and I trust your judgement, so long as it doesn't conflict with my own assessment of the situation. Which is why I'm taking your advice to join a wagon, but why I'm not ready to jump on killing Seppel (though, your original arguement still rings true).
Thanks a lot dude, this goes a long way toward confirming your towness to me.
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My activity has been inexcusable. And today is my graduation party.
So checking in, and a quick note. I still think TeknoLink is the scummiest one around, but that's only up to a certain point in the thread, after which I have not yet read.
I'll dredge out my old points against him in my next post.
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SGT_Chubbz – 5 (AsianInvasion, nacho wizard, Talore, The_Muffin_Man, Seppel)
Seppel – 5 (kpaca, bateleur, TeknoLink, Fenris, Some One)
passilisk – 4 (Dagger, Aquajolt27, Cyouni, seratonin)
Aquajolt – 2 (burboy, passilisk)
TeknoLink – 2 (AlphaInsidious, desCoures)
The_Muffin_Man – 1 (SGT_Chubbz)
Not voting – Emo_Pinata, Calvin, Castle
With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
<scribbles a list>
1) Seppel - He is still not cooperating and is scummy as anything.
2) AsianInvasion - Virtually every post he makes pings my scumdar.
3) Emo_Pinata
4) Aquajolt - Mainly because I trust burboy, there's too little data for my tastes.
5) Cyouni
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This is completely irrelevant - Because someone in another game guessed someone's role, why would that have any bearing in this game?
So you're suggesting that Promatim is a serial killer? If so, why on earth would he claim anything even remotely connected with Jack the Ripper? It's not like he was put on the spot, face to face, and didn't have time to think of something smarter...
Fair enough. Anti-town is anti-town, but lends no weight to an argument for the presence of a serial killer.
Just to make it clear, my intention was not to pick apart your argument in order to reflect badly on you, rather to try to broaden your vision. We know there are definitely scum in this game, whereas a serial killer is only a vague possiblity, it makes more sense to hunt for an enemy we know exists.
@bateleur: Off the top of my head, here are players that I'd be prepared to see lynched today (in no particular order):
You got my list.
On your list, I'm only fine with Aquajolt.
And "still not cooperating" my ass.
The post where he "mentions" Jack the Ripper makes him look high-strung.
MTG_JUNKIE WAS THE CULT LEADER.
PROMATIM IS THE SERIAL KILLER.
YES!
YES I AM!
IT IS A NEWB ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL SLIP TO MENTION AN ANTI-TOWN NEUTRAL ON D1.
So we agree that it would have been stupid for Promatim to start talking serial killers if he were one. Why do you see that as proof that he is? I'm sure you've mentioned scum once or twice during this game...
Again, this is looking like I'm picking on you, which wasn't my intention - I just think that it's not helpful to the town to try to chase down one role that may not even exist. Since you're set on voting Promatim/passilisk anyway for being anti-town, that's fine, just as long as serial-killer hunting isn't distracting you from scumhunting.
<raises eyebrows>
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I am both touched and sorry for riding your ass.
I thought I already went over this, it's a mafia tell, not an SK tell to talk about someone being the SK, and the way he said it was innocuous.
YES.
YES YOU DID.
MULTIPLE TIMES.
I'm thinking AsianInvasion or Calvin or Some One.
Yeah but New Promatim is acting protown. I don't see him as scum.
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<Limited Clan>
scum is a global term meaning mafia, serial killer or other anti-town role
I'm assuming here you just mean mafia? Or what?
Yes, when I say scum I mean mafia. New Promatim's been acting protown. Promatim screamed bloody Ripper. It just all makes sense.
no it does not
not even a little bit
If you're still convinced that Promatim/passilisk is a serial killer, and you're pushing hard for others to vote for him (I'm assuming that's what this was all about), where's your vote right now?
It's BEEN on Promatim for like forever. I've moved onto Sgt. Mayonnaise because "fight for what you believe in" gets comments like this:
I'm fine with either E_P, pass, or TL right now.
Seppel is one that I feel can be saved till D2 barring that he cooperates with passing the book.
I'd agree to pass to Calvin, if wakes up....
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question? concern? confused? And that's TeknoLink I'm talking about fyi.
and Edwop: last sentence should be "I'd agree to pass to Calvin, if he wakes up....
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1000 posts in you should have something.
@Bateleur:
Seppel: Lynch if he is unwilling to pass to a majority agreed target, otherwise no.
AsianInvasion - Okay, I already had him marked as possible scum
Emo_pinata - No, looks very town to me.
Aquajolt - Sure, I get the same feeling as burboy.
Cyouni - Why? Could you point it out? maybe low post count? Otherwise no.
Personally I also would be willing to lynch Teknolink for previously mentioned reasons.
so lemme get this one right, ,My reads differ from your scum list in that you think they're all scum, and i saw idk, lean town, could be godfather ploy (it could be, don't be an ignorant jackass and say it couldn't be), forgiving a newb bad start and not draw and quartering his replacement for it, self sarcasm, And way to shove words in my mouth.
FYI you don't need to shove crap in my mouth, I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself.
This. Seppel, if you're SO concerned about a 8 year kid wandering into your room and slashing off your testies while your FOSing your wife, Then make a Comprehensive case on the whole ☺☺☺☺ing thing. otherwise give it a rest already.
Cha, right. If i had help with this game, do you think i would such this much?
Ouch. I can't disagree but ouch. Also, I'm sigging that.
Does the 'worst town/scum list in the history of mafia' count?
out of your five;
Seppel: seems to just jump whoever the ☺☺☺☺ he can muster enough attention on atm, and has been following The SK trail for the last 4 episodes. while i still think he's town. those names are getting on my nerves fast.
AI: Most of AI's posts have been scorching my ass for things i've said
E_P: <dagger slap fight> though his reactions lately have gotten more defensive (seeming)
Aquajolt: replacing KS, and has been doing better (town wise IMO) though i'm wondering why he's fine lynching teknolink given TL's Doppleganger claim....
Cyouni: can't remember anything outstanding from him (again?)
If i had to pick one of the 5; it would be E_P. while lynching seppel would make him STFU, he's acting like he does as town and that sadly means i have to continue to read his broken caps lock keys posts.
yeah, i'm the biggest wagon atm. *shrug that's what i get for (trying) to post content
Those were two different games? by two different people? don't assume everyone makes the same mistakes just to help your SK case
that's a point i should have made xp
"I moved it to SGT_NCNEWB because it's too hard to for to lynch who i want"
^is that paraphrase right? now better question: Do you truly believe I'm scum or just want an easy person to vote for?
This.
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Congrats, with the day stalling and us going no where, I am now giving you the primetime ultimatum.
Post something meaningful in your next post or I will see you dead. I expect this post to include 3 players you have at the top of your scum list and why, 4 players at the top of your town list and why, and 2 players you have absolutely no read on, as well as what about them confuses you.
Then at the end of that post i want you to place a vote.
Comprendes?
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Top 3 Scum
Seppel
-Seppel had the really bad freakout under the smallest of pressure; a strange claim (and vanilla to boot,) and has been pursuing vendettas rather than actual scumhunting. The amount of force he has pushed on the issue of an SK looks like either he is it, or he's trying to distract from himself (which seems to be working,) while looking to be doing hunting at the same time.
Emo_Pinata
-E_P just hasn't sat well with me. He's been agressive, but I don't think it's been in the righteous townie way. The level of nitpicking; it seemed to me like he was trying to get me to trip on something so he could hammer that, indeed he made a case on me that felt really forced and incohesive.
Aquajolt
-Krackshot had 0 content, and his replacement hasn't done anything to convince me that he's town.
Top 4 Town
kpaca
Burboy
nacho wizard
Bateleur
All are active most are scumhunting. Kpaca seems to be leading the town. Burboy is pretty zealous and isn't trying to attack weak points, he's quite vindictive and I'd be shocked if he was scum. Nacho wizard has had some pretty brilliant points, and although yoss is rough, he knows what he is doing. Bateleur has had some really good insights, fairly objective thinking, and is acting reasonable with his inquisitions and pursuits. I don't see any of these people as scum.
2 Neutral
Dagger
desCoures
Dagger has made many multi-quote lists and inquiries; some of which felt objective and well-thought out with a town mindset, but some others felt... different than the rest in the amount of attacking. A mixed read.
desCoures has had some pretty bad activity, and seems to be still in the stage of asking for clarifications on everything. I need to see more from dC. Neutral.
I'm going to go back to my previous vote, and Vote: Seppel. You still haven't acted townie at all to me. An interesting comment that I saw from Bateleur I believe was he referenced the 'Book of Changes' as the 'Necronomicon.'
@Anyone who wants Seppel to confirm with the book: Do you have any idea what the 'book' really does?
Waiting for E_P's reads, which still haven't surfaced. Aquajolt needs to post more, and with more meaningful content, like analysis.
Sorry I have to be beat with a yardstick to post well. =P
Trolololololol @ your post.
Somebodies feelin some OMGUS.
I'm sorry, I am a little bit impatient. We've got like 4-5 people we are positive are scum (you being one of them), so we should just ****ing lynch them and move on.
I was referring to AsianInvasion, but he's less scum I suppose.
Quotes in blog.
Wait, who are they? Promatim or Seppel, right?
Quotes in blog.
I don't know. This thread moves too fast for me to realize who you suspect.
I suppose it's not Promatim (Castle) anymore, but I don't get who you meant.
Quotes in blog.
Promatim was SO last week.
Quotes in blog.
No? That is why we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch him when we know whether he was lying or not. Anything that doesn't guarantee him confirmation means a lynch.
@Kpacado we need to make a plan for who hammers either of those?
Because no matter what it does, there's no way the book could make someone lie about it's nature.
Too busy to answer you right then you dolt.
This seems like an extreme stance since I promised to post them later earlier today.
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I think the following are not scum:
I still want him to pass the book to someone that's not very town, who then has to pass the book to someone the town decides tomorrow.
Might as well take advantage of the role blocking principles of item passing.
As for moving the day along, I don't agree with the Seppel bandwagon. While his behavoir isn't ideal, we can use the book as a scum indicator now and we can wait to lynch him.. Since my personal deposition on voting has largely been on who's the most convincing, Vote Sgt. Chubbz.
an aside to kpaca: I'm not a very confortational person. After thinking about it, I realized that information like that is that very valuable, so I see your rationale behind not tipping your hand. Honestly, I'm just trying to survive.
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When we consider anyone could have an item then we should probably be very careful with who we have hammer. This goes for anybody.
Is there anyway I could get you to wax poetic about this for a minute?
If I'm wrong? No. We'd be ☺☺☺☺ed.
If I'm right? No. Because I'm awesome and you know it.
Godfather IS likely. The other option is a scum self-watcher. What I'm saying is that you made a slip there by trying to compensate for his role.
I. DID. 27 POSTS BEFORE YOURS.
And the original case I made exemplifying his anti-town behavior is farther back somewhere.
Jesus Christ you're not even paying attention.
I'm coming from this from a purely rational standpoint that I do my best to make sure I don't give a reason to come after me.
I am however aware, that as time goes on I will have to venture out of my shell to the benefit of the town, at the risk of my own safety and as such I will say that between you and bats have the town best interest at heart and I trust your judgement, so long as it doesn't conflict with my own assessment of the situation. Which is why I'm taking your advice to join a wagon, but why I'm not ready to jump on killing Seppel (though, your original arguement still rings true).
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Thanks a lot dude, this goes a long way toward confirming your towness to me.
My activity has been inexcusable. And today is my graduation party.
So checking in, and a quick note. I still think TeknoLink is the scummiest one around, but that's only up to a certain point in the thread, after which I have not yet read.
I'll dredge out my old points against him in my next post.