The Hunted Charlie wagon is tunnel-visioning, hard.
I agree with WoD: Everyone (including me) should reread joboman's posts and the progression of joboman's wagon. Figure out who was bussing joboman (likely at least one scum) and who was defending him (if anyone).
That I understand. I'm curious as to where you're getting the "we" combined with "NK".
Guess i mispoke. I meant that town could kill him if we got a vig role or something.
So joboman does bus in his mafia games? Vote hc
i think that Ro's innocent. Hammering would make people suspicious of him and i think that sylar would want to stay unnoticed.
The Hunted Charlie wagon is tunnel-visioning, hard.
I agree with WoD: Everyone (including me) should reread joboman's posts and the progression of joboman's wagon. Figure out who was bussing joboman (likely at least one scum) and who was defending him (if anyone).
Yes, we are tunnel-visioning. I mostly just want him to claim. From there I'll decide whether or not I think he's a good lynch, but I would like him to claim.
Ouch. So that was maybe the biggest failure of a night in mafia history, and I screwed up too
I find this post especially incriminating. Note how he breadcrumbs us here (bold is mine), subtlety claiming he has a relevant night action.
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I'd point out that I was the first person to vote jobo as well as one of the few to give reasons against him, but I think it's clear that's not going to help much. Do y'all just want the claim now then since it's obvious I'll be in claim range shortly?
Also note how different his tone is now than later. He comes out as being very willing to claim. Later, when it's looking like he's going to get out of it, he clams up. Together with his "and I screwed up too" comment, it feels like he was going to claim a power role to try and avoid the lynch, but when things started looking up for him, he decided he didn't need to.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
1) I never said whether it was scummy or not, that is not really for me to decide.
2) I did not dismiss the wagon, I dismissed the case. Which is really just ONE point that I have defended to the best of my ability.
3)The case against Hunted Charlie had been laid out by others. I do not need to reiterate that just to make a vote, particularly when I was continuing the vote from the previous Day.
1. It was scummy because it cut our discussion short.
2. Wagon vs. case? Semantics won't save you. There was originally the one point, but since then there have been more, including your continued insistence that you did nothing wrong.
3. Mindlessly barning is scummy. "Continuing the vote from the previous Day" is also scummy because it means you're not taking into account the things we learned from the end of Day and Night.
TL;DR: I doubt that I am going to be able to get through to these tunnel-visioned, one-point-wonders, so go ahead and put me into claim range and hopefully that will do it. N
ot that I want to claim, but if it will get these people off of my back...
I'm not convinced that a standard Doc is in the game. And I'd rather not waste a revive to just get some WIFOM with the scum (although it bringing back Cyan as opposed to a weaker analyst is a point in its favour.)
Reviving Cyanzilla, Killer of Scum, who happens to also be one of the the strongest Heroes, seems like the best play to make in this situation.
While this is plausible, as NA said yesterday - if there is exactly one solution to a problem, we're not really playing mafia anymore. I therefore do not feel that we cannot overcome Sylar without Peter.
Certainly, but I get the impression that having Peter alive "evens the odds" in terms of them both acquiring new abilities and keeping the status quo in check. If Sylar isn't found soon it may be difficult to stop him without knowledge of what kind of abilities are in this game (or an equally strong role in Peter).
Yes, we are tunnel-visioning. I mostly just want him to claim. From there I'll decide whether or not I think he's a good lynch, but I would like him to claim.
Also note how different his tone is now than later. He comes out as being very willing to claim. Later, when it's looking like he's going to get out of it, he clams up. Together with his "and I screwed up too" comment, it feels like he was going to claim a power role to try and avoid the lynch, but when things started looking up for him, he decided he didn't need to.
You are making an association between me not wanting to claim and me being mafia. I follow the pro-town path of claiming only when I am about to be lynched and I need a claim to help me avoid the lynch. Yes, I decided I didn't need to claim when my bandwagon weakened. Because I didn't need to. And claiming when it is not necessary is not good for the town.
But now I am at L-2 so I will claim.
I was Niki/Jessica Sanders, Dissociative. My alignment was Hero/Villain-ally. My win condition was to use my Choice ability, a single-shot night action where I could choose either Hero or Villain-ally and my role would change to reflect that. Until then the result of any investigation or anything else that returned an alignment would be randomly chosen. I had to use this ability before Day 4 or I would lose the game. It pretty much meant I had to predict which side would win before Day 4.
Last night, I realized that I would probably be investigated after Day 1 and I wanted to reduce the chance of an investigation coming up scum, plus since we lynched scum Day 1 it seemed like town was the favorite to win. So I decided to use my Choice ability. I chose "Hero" and was given a new role (although I confirmed that investigations last night would still be given the randomly chosen alignment):
Now I am Niki Sanders - Dissociative (Hero). My ability is a supernatural one named Super Strength which makes me require an extra vote to be lynched.
That was also the stupid choice I made last night. After waking up and seeing three town dead including Peter, I wished I had picked Villain-ally.
To help show that I'm not lying about the role, I want to quote part of Peter's ability:
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This ability may also be dangerous, as certain supernatural abilities may change alignment
So, yes, this is pretty definitely a reference to my ability.
I have no evidence to show that I didn't actually pick Villain-ally, but if you think about it that would be stupid. I was definitely going to be investigated and we had just lynched scum Day 1 without any town casualties yet. Hero seemed like the logical choice.
For some reason I knew you're going to claim Nikki. I just knew it.
I believe your claim but it's just like flipping a coin. You may say the truth or you may not
Also people who know the show better than me correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't Jessica the one with super strength?
Guess will have to see if your claim works. unvote
vote HuntedCharlie
He's now at L-1.
Based on his ability we need 2 more votes to lynch him. Someone vote for him right now.
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Niki possessed enhanced strength. She was strong enough to knock down doors and other obstacles with a single hit, throw people several feet across a room, and literally rip people in half. For months, she could only utilize her power through her alternate personality, Jessica, who is much more violent than her normal self. Jessica used the ability in a variety of crimes ranging from robberies to brutal murders. In How to Stop an Exploding Man, Niki finally learned how to use her enhanced strength at will.
You are making an association between me not wanting to claim and me being mafia. I follow the pro-town path of claiming only when I am about to be lynched and I need a claim to help me avoid the lynch. Yes, I decided I didn't need to claim when my bandwagon weakened. Because I didn't need to. And claiming when it is not necessary is not good for the town.
But now I am at L-2 so I will claim.
I was Niki/Jessica Sanders, Dissociative. My alignment was Hero/Villain-ally. My win condition was to use my Choice ability, a single-shot night action where I could choose either Hero or Villain-ally and my role would change to reflect that. Until then the result of any investigation or anything else that returned an alignment would be randomly chosen. I had to use this ability before Day 4 or I would lose the game. It pretty much meant I had to predict which side would win before Day 4.
Last night, I realized that I would probably be investigated after Day 1 and I wanted to reduce the chance of an investigation coming up scum, plus since we lynched scum Day 1 it seemed like town was the favorite to win. So I decided to use my Choice ability. I chose "Hero" and was given a new role (although I confirmed that investigations last night would still be given the randomly chosen alignment):
Now I am Niki Sanders - Dissociative (Hero). My ability is a supernatural one named Super Strength which makes me require an extra vote to be lynched.
That was also the stupid choice I made last night. After waking up and seeing three town dead including Peter, I wished I had picked Villain-ally.
To help show that I'm not lying about the role, I want to quote part of Peter's ability:
So, yes, this is pretty definitely a reference to my ability.
I have no evidence to show that I didn't actually pick Villain-ally, but if you think about it that would be stupid. I was definitely going to be investigated and we had just lynched scum Day 1 without any town casualties yet. Hero seemed like the logical choice.
And now I'm town.
You lying scum.
He used his ability to minimize his chances of getting investigated as scum, yet his chances of getting scum aren't changed. Makes perfect sense.
The reason he claimed that is obvious: he's still afraid he was investigated and wants to be able to claim miller. So he's covering his tracks, not noticing it's a complete contradiction.
On top of that, he says his "mistake" was choosing town. Which, I'm sorry, is not something you're going to just go around posting.
So yeah, I think he's scum. Even if his ability works.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
He used his ability to minimize his chances of getting investigated as scum, yet his chances of getting scum aren't changed. Makes perfect sense.
The reason he claimed that is obvious: he's still afraid he was investigated and wants to be able to claim miller. So he's covering his tracks, not noticing it's a complete contradiction.
On top of that, he says his "mistake" was choosing town. Which, I'm sorry, is not something you're going to just go around posting.
So yeah, I think he's scum. Even if his ability works.
It makes sense if investigations resolve prior to the decision between alignments. I'd also want to cover the town's ass ass if I knew this information before a cop decided to hammer me, mislynch, then get killed by scum.
Choosing town is certainly a mistake if you suddenly think that scum have a better shot at winning. The math is about the same since town:scum is generally 3:1 anyway, but HC's playstyle suggests a relatively low level of guile so him saying this is par for the course.
HC wouldn't claim this as scum (or bread-crumb in his first post of D2); he would probably just claim Niki to remove the possibility of people tunnel-visioning him or voting for other bad reasons. (I wonder if we know anyone like that...) Also, it's not WIFOM because one of these is clearly better than the other for scum to claim.
@ai you made my point for me ty. It wasn't until the end of season that nikki figured out how to use her power and to game the mod a little, I can't see zion useing. Fluff from only the end to give a power so if he was in fact nikki he would not be able to use his power until later in the game or not at all.
It makes sense if investigations resolve prior to the decision between alignments. I'd also want to cover the town's ass ass if I knew this information before a cop decided to hammer me, mislynch, then get killed by scum.
Choosing town is certainly a mistake if you suddenly think that scum have a better shot at winning. The math is about the same since town:scum is generally 3:1 anyway, but HC's playstyle suggests a relatively low level of guile so him saying this is par for the course.
HC wouldn't claim this as scum (or bread-crumb in his first post of D2); he would probably just claim Niki to remove the possibility of people tunnel-visioning him or voting for other bad reasons. (I wonder if we know anyone like that...) Also, it's not WIFOM because one of these is clearly better than the other for scum to claim.
You're missing my point. He says he chose town because he didn't want to get cop-investigated and have it accidentally show scum.
However, this doesn't make sense, as by choosing town, he prevent the thing he was using the ability to stop: he could just save the ability for later, when the game had played out more.
A contradiction.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I was Niki/Jessica Sanders, Dissociative. My alignment was Hero/Villain-ally. My win condition was to use my Choice ability, a single-shot night action where I could choose either Hero or Villain-ally and my role would change to reflect that.
If you've fulfilled your wincon, now what?
(although I confirmed that investigations last night would still be given the randomly chosen alignment):
Agree with NA here, there seems to be a contradiction.
It makes sense if investigations resolve prior to the decision between alignments. I'd also want to cover the town's ass ass if I knew this information before a cop decided to hammer me, mislynch, then get killed by scum.
Choosing town is certainly a mistake if you suddenly think that scum have a better shot at winning. The math is about the same since town:scum is generally 3:1 anyway, but HC's playstyle suggests a relatively low level of guile so him saying this is par for the course.
Yeah but he said he used his ability to prevent himself from turning up a random result when he then said he would turn up a random result regardless.
HC wouldn't claim this as scum (or bread-crumb in his first post of D2); he would probably just claim Niki to remove the possibility of people tunnel-visioning him or voting for other bad reasons. (I wonder if we know anyone like that...) Also, it's not WIFOM because one of these is clearly better than the other for scum to claim.
Niki/Jessica go hand in hand the first season and claiming just Niki would probably arouse suspicion. That being said it does sound safer than claiming what he did.
@ai you made my point for me ty. It wasn't until the end of season that nikki figured out how to use her power and to game the mod a little, I can't see zion useing. Fluff from only the end to give a power so if he was in fact nikki he would not be able to use his power until later in the game or not at all.
I would agree with this if he had claimed a targeting ability (i.e. vig), but he claimed a passive one. Niki always had her powers even if she didn't know how to control them.
I would agree with this if he had claimed a targeting ability (i.e. vig), but he claimed a passive one. Niki always had her powers even if she didn't know how to control them.
Actually how exactly does "Super Strength" turn into "one extra vote to be lynched"? Niki's abilities were aggressive ones (i.e ripping people to shreds) not defensive ones. I don't recall her being harder to kill.
well even though vezo unvoted if he was lying we'll see soon enough..... and i see no reason he would lie if he was town. Admittedly restating the obvious here but figure I'd through my opinion in there before the day ended.
If he isn't dead it makes sense to keep an eye on him as he might well have chosen scum and gotten the ability either way. But if he told the truth then I think he is not the lynch for today.
I will also put in that he probably hasn't won the game yet. If he chose town then he probably has to win with the town, and visa versa.
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I realize that I just said I knew that the day would end...... The above post was not meant to say that just that if it did, I wanted to be sure I got a chance to say a few things before it happened. Horrible post sorry :(.
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Choosing town is certainly a mistake if you suddenly think that scum have a better shot at winning. The math is about the same since town:scum is generally 3:1 anyway, but HC's playstyle suggests a relatively low level of guile so him saying this is par for the course.
Well, one of our dead is Peter (arguably the most powerful hero, except possibly Claire), and Sylar now can't be roleblocked etc., so I still think that was generally a bad night for the town. And there's no reason I can't say that was a mistake. You're not trying to lynch the least satisfied townies, you're trying to lynch the scum.
@ai you made my point for me ty. It wasn't until the end of season that nikki figured out how to use her power and to game the mod a little, I can't see zion useing. Fluff from only the end to give a power so if he was in fact nikki he would not be able to use his power until later in the game or not at all.
It happened in Season 1, this game is about Season 1, I don't see a contradiction. It was from the end but did he ever say that this game only used the first half of Season 1?
You're missing my point. He says he chose town because he didn't want to get cop-investigated and have it accidentally show scum.
However, this doesn't make sense, as by choosing town, he prevent the thing he was using the ability to stop: he could just save the ability for later, when the game had played out more.
A contradiction.
I think you must have misunderstood me. After I have used the ability, cop investigations etc. will now always return town. The only thing is that last night, while my ability was working, they still returned random. It's like a one-night delay before the investigations work. The reason I used my ability is because I covered myself from Night 2, 3, 4, etc. cop investigations. Whereas if I waited to use it until Night 2, then Night 2 cop investigations might show me as scum as well. I wanted to clarify this just in case a cop came out and tried to call my lie by saying that they got scum last night. To show that I am not a miller, if any cop has investigated me and turned up scum, feel free to investigate me again tonight and see that I am now fully town.
I win with the town like a normal townie now. If I had chosen Villain-ally I would have won with the mafia (though I wouldn't have been able to participate in the talking/NK, as I confirmed with the mod).
It happened at the end of the season, I'm not saying he oonly used ther first half i m saying that he more than likly wouldn't use something from the last 5% of the season to build a character/power.
The reason I used my ability is because I covered myself from Night 2, 3, 4, etc. cop investigations. Whereas if I waited to use it until Night 2, then Night 2 cop investigations might show me as scum as well.
I don't believe this for a second.
You threw away your chance at not having to choose town or scum until night 3--when you would have a substantially better idea of who was winning--in exchange for. . .coming up as town on the off chance you were cop investigated on Night 2(when you had a 50/50 chance of showing up as town anyway) but the cop decided not to investigate you on Night 1.
I think I'm understanding you perfectly, you just aren't making any sense.
Because you're lying scum.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
See I don't buy it.
If a cop investigated you it was a 50% of you being scum. You are so certain that the result came up scum that I believe you are scum and you're trying not to get lynched by cop investigation.
I consider you as a neutral that had to make a choice. Why not on night 3?
You could have claimed this waited until the town made a case on you or somebody else and then tell you're role. I don't think it would have gotten you killed because you could still become town.
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Players not voting: Ecophagy, StormBlind, Ace, Cyouni, red_0mega
As far as i can tell tordeck's vote never took HC to 9 votes because tordeck only unvoted and revoted HC. With 8 votes, HC takes 2 more to lynch. Just clearing that up.
So HC was telling the truth about his ability, which makes it fairly likely that he's also been truthful about his role.
As far as the logic goes:
I don't buy Tordeck's theory, and I certainly would not vote (let alone lynch) on the back of it. Too much mod-gaming.
HC knew going into D2 that he would be a prime suspect. He probably figured that he was going to have to claim at some point. Given the circumstances (and that we lynched scum D1) it seems highly unlikely that he would have picked scum. Why would he pick scum in that situation? That leaves him as undecided or town. And if he's undecided, why would he lie and say he's town, and why would he have claimed a screw-up? And speaking of the "screw-up" he claimed early today, are we just going to assume HC said it to set up a claim later on? I don't credit him with that kind of guile.
I'm not really feeling the wagon on HC, mainly because ive played with HC a bunch, and been his scum buddy, he isn't that clever, nor does he do a good scum, so i doubt he'd CHOOSE scum actually.
Not liking Tordeck, Vezok, or Onemoretime.
Right now, those are my top of the barrel'ers.
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EBWOP: Oh. Um. Well, given what tordek just said, a benevolent mod would allow my vote to only count in the event that the above votecount was totally correct.
hey DKD, a bus on somone is desribed as attacking them when other people are already on them, usually done to a scumbuddy. Seeing as I was the first one attacking RO would you care to explain how i was bussing him?
I misunderstood the meaning of the term. I thought it simply meant "throwing someone under the bus" as in going after them rather hard. My apologies on that.
So HC was telling the truth about his ability, which makes it fairly likely that he's also been truthful about his role.
I have issue with this though. Just because he takes an extra vote to lynch, doesn't mean he's being truthful about anything else at all. Just because we confirmed he's not lying about that, doesn't confirm his character, doesn't confirm his alignment, doesn't confirm anything at all. He could very well be someone else with a different reason for needing an extra vote to lynch. We can't even prove for sure right now that he hasn't chosen Villain-Ally even if he is being truthful! His play has been scummy, and I'm comfortable leaving my vote right where it is based on that play.
I think you must have misunderstood me. After I have used the ability, cop investigations etc. will now always return town. The only thing is that last night, while my ability was working, they still returned random. It's like a one-night delay before the investigations work. The reason I used my ability is because I covered myself from Night 2, 3, 4, etc. cop investigations. Whereas if I waited to use it until Night 2, then Night 2 cop investigations might show me as scum as well. I wanted to clarify this just in case a cop came out and tried to call my lie by saying that they got scum last night. To show that I am not a miller, if any cop has investigated me and turned up scum, feel free to investigate me again tonight and see that I am now fully town.
I win with the town like a normal townie now. If I had chosen Villain-ally I would have won with the mafia (though I wouldn't have been able to participate in the talking/NK, as I confirmed with the mod).
See I don't buy it.
If a cop investigated you it was a 50% of you being scum. You are so certain that the result came up scum that I believe you are scum and you're trying not to get lynched by cop investigation.
If a cop investigated him with a scum result we likely would know about it by now. On that note I also doubt anyone would investigate him N1 as he seemed a very likely vig shot. Also he's asking to be investigated and the godfather is already dead so it's most likely that he is actually town.
HC knew going into D2 that he would be a prime suspect. He probably figured that he was going to have to claim at some point. Given the circumstances (and that we lynched scum D1) it seems highly unlikely that he would have picked scum. Why would he pick scum in that situation? That leaves him as undecided or town.
I agree with that logic. Picking town would definitely have seemed optimal at that point. That and the fact that his claim is a pretty risky one to make as scum has me believing that he's town.
I'm not really feeling the wagon on HC, mainly because ive played with HC a bunch, and been his scum buddy, he isn't that clever, nor does he do a good scum, so i doubt he'd CHOOSE scum actually.
I have issue with this though. Just because he takes an extra vote to lynch, doesn't mean he's being truthful about anything else at all. Just because we confirmed he's not lying about that, doesn't confirm his character, doesn't confirm his alignment, doesn't confirm anything at all. He could very well be someone else with a different reason for needing an extra vote to lynch. We can't even prove for sure right now that he hasn't chosen Villain-Ally even if he is being truthful! His play has been scummy, and I'm comfortable leaving my vote right where it is based on that play.
Exactly. Plus, being +1 to lynch isn't the most townie of abilities anyway.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I have issue with this though. Just because he takes an extra vote to lynch, doesn't mean he's being truthful about anything else at all. Just because we confirmed he's not lying about that, doesn't confirm his character, doesn't confirm his alignment, doesn't confirm anything at all. He could very well be someone else with a different reason for needing an extra vote to lynch. We can't even prove for sure right now that he hasn't chosen Villain-Ally even if he is being truthful! His play has been scummy, and I'm comfortable leaving my vote right where it is based on that play.
I've already said I think he did defend himself fairly well. While I consider it's possible that he's lying about his role, the flavor and ability does fit well.
Additionally, I've already said why I think it's pretty unlikely he would have chosen Villain-Ally.
Exactly. Plus, being +1 to lynch isn't the most townie of abilities anyway.
This is true. Although it doesn't drop suspicion, it would make more sense to leave HC to the whims of a cop or vig at this point and move on to examining the rest of the town, or lynching R_O.
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I'm also not liking Tordeck's gaming the mod (which is quite frankly over-the-top). I realise this will sound rich coming from me but: "Plan on giving any content Todeck?"
I'm also not liking Tordeck's gaming the mod (which is quite frankly over-the-top). I realise this will sound rich coming from me but: "Plan on giving any content Tordeck?"
I did come right out and say I was though. And yeah, give me some time to reread the case on RO and I'll see what I can contribute. Other than that I nothing really caught my eye other than getting rid of "The Bomb" and HC's bad claim.
It happened at the end of the season, I'm not saying he oonly used ther first half i m saying that he more than likly wouldn't use something from the last 5% of the season to build a character/power.
I don't see the logic here. Why wouldn't he use something from the last 5% of the season? Or the first 5%, for that matter? This kind of speculation isn't even mod-gaming, this is mod-guessing.
I don't believe this for a second.
You threw away your chance at not having to choose town or scum until night 3--when you would have a substantially better idea of who was winning--in exchange for. . .coming up as town on the off chance you were cop investigated on Night 2(when you had a 50/50 chance of showing up as town anyway) but the cop decided not to investigate you on Night 1.
Think about it: I am a guaranteed suspect to be constantly scrutinized, and the town seems to be in a good position to win. I knew for sure I would end up getting wagoned to claim and at that point I'm left with a few not-particularly-appealing choices: lie (better chance of me getting caught), tell the truth and have the town want to eliminate me as I was essentially a neutral, or lie and say I've already used my ability (leaving me vulnerable to a cop investigation which would prove I'm lying). None of these options sounded good, so I turned town and can now claim truthfully (which I had hoped would help).
What I suggest: have a cop investigate me tonight. If I come up town, as somebody pointed out there has already been a godfather, so it would mean almost certainly that I am town. Until then, we go after red__0mega who is real scum.
Personally I want to take a look at Ace right now.
Stormblind too, flying very low. With talk of Sylar not wanting to get noticed this might be a start. Plus I recall SB being active with significant contributions in other games.
I'm not Sure about HC. The role makes sense but how he went about it is scummy. Nom makes good points which tend to bring me back to siding that he is scum.
The one problem I have with HC's claim is flavor based. In the heroes story, from what I know of it, the super-strength girl has no control over her powers for quite some time. Yet HC is talking that he has full control over his ability.
One more thing, just thought of it, is he has until day 4, presumably night 3, need clarification here, to pick a side. Is it at all possible for a scum win if he waits for N3 to pick and they just so happen to have all the scum left? Assuming Joboman survived and the town went though mislynches, it seems broken to think that HC could just pick a side and instantly make them win with a majority.
@HC: What flavor/information do you have about you becoming scum had you picked it?
Not liking what I see. Too many questions and issues.
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So HC was telling the truth about his ability, which makes it fairly likely that he's also been truthful about his role.
As far as the logic goes:
I don't buy Tordeck's theory, and I certainly would not vote (let alone lynch) on the back of it. Too much mod-gaming.
HC knew going into D2 that he would be a prime suspect. He probably figured that he was going to have to claim at some point. Given the circumstances (and that we lynched scum D1) it seems highly unlikely that he would have picked scum. Why would he pick scum in that situation? That leaves him as undecided or town. And if he's undecided, why would he lie and say he's town, and why would he have claimed a screw-up? And speaking of the "screw-up" he claimed early today, are we just going to assume HC said it to set up a claim later on? I don't credit him with that kind of guile.
Exactly. Given how much scrutiny he was under Day One I'm sure Hunted Charlie thought a cop investigation was imminent and so wanted to make sure he had a chance of winning. (It sounds like if he were to die before choosing a side, he couldn't win with either town or mafia.)
People trying to say that HC's claim is false because it doesn't make sense from a flavor perspective are illogical and/or scum. Just because the game is flavorful doesn't mean that every role matches the show's characters exactly.
Exactly. Given how much scrutiny he was under Day One I'm sure Hunted Charlie thought a cop investigation was imminent and so wanted to make sure he had a chance of winning. (It sounds like if he were to die before choosing a side, he couldn't win with either town or mafia.)
Except he would have SAID that, if that's what he was thinking.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Where are you getting this? There is no reason to assume that he can only use one per night, that was what Peter could do but they don't necessarily have the same role. And by the way, you don't know how many actions the mafia have (ever heard of "vanilla mafia"?). So this is a terrible argument. If we kill Sylar today, there will be one less nightkill tonight. If we kill a mafia member today, there will be the same number of nightkills. So it makes the most sense to kill Sylar early.
As has been said, the rules would seem to be a decent reason to assume so. The is no reason to assume that he can use multiple abilities. Does that sound very balanced to you? I am not sure about anyone else, but I am fairly certain that just about everyone has an ability of some kind. Even several of the normals have decent justification for an ability. But again, I never said that I do not want anyone going after Sylar yet, just that it seems like a shot in the dark at this point.
Again, you are deflecting attention away from yourself to avoid dealing with suspicion. It doesn't matter what you think of me, my arguments can still be just as valid and it doesn't help the town to tune me out after you give me your initial judgment.
So? Use logic. There is no reason that not hammering jobo right then could have helped the scum. All that would have happened is we would have had more time for discussion.
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I admitted that it was probably a bad idea. Nothing I can do about it now.
Yes, obviously it was not a great idea. I am really not sure what else you want me to say.
1. It was scummy because it cut our discussion short.
Fair enough. In hindsight I see it was a bad idea, as I have said several times now. Either this is enough for you to vote for me, or it is not.
2. Wagon vs. case? Semantics won't save you. There was originally the one point, but since then there have been more, including your continued insistence that you did nothing wrong.
What is the rest of the case then, I must have missed it? If it is that I "continued insisting" that I did nothing wrong, I must have missed that as well. I do not recall doing that (except perhaps in twilight, but then where have I continued?).
3. Mindlessly barning is scummy. "Continuing the vote from the previous Day" is also scummy because it means you're not taking into account the things we learned from the end of Day and Night.
Fair enough, although plenty of people have been doing it in this game. What did we learn from Night 1 that would have made anyone who was voting for him before change their mind?
Hunted Charlie's claim is believable, makes me think twice about lynching him. I agree that we should probably let the investigation/vig sort him out, and start looking at some others.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
well a fair bit has happened since i posted last. Not like last time with he bomb but still.
Ace and SB have both been as far as a i can tell mostly plain sight lurking. WOD is actively lurking and making no effort to hide it. Cyan hasn't really been around much but what he says feels like an active contribution, not lurking. All three of those lurking players have lots of mafia experience. I would hazard a guess that if sylar would want to stay out of peoples vision it is unlikely someone with lots of mafia experience and the sylar role would choose to lurk. That's based on wifom of course but wifom, like gaming the mod, is often highly effective.
Tordeck has been rather useless, sadly, and RO hasn't really done anything (today), that strikes me as ridiculously scummy. I mean the trying to discredit and/or ignore his wagon was a little annoying but not really worthy of lynching someone over. Still definitely worth keeping an eye on him but not the lynch for today i think.
Vezopiraka is acting so ridiculously scummy but he's already claimed a neutral bomb character. Hate it when people do that :(.
Therefore i think at least for now I will withdraw my vote for further consideration.
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@HC: What flavor/information do you have about you becoming scum had you picked it?
Not much flavor-wise. I have one long paragraph that's just pretty much a recap of what happened to Niki/Jessica in the season and how Jessica ended up coming back and haunting Niki, also mentioning Micah/D.L./Hal. Then my next paragraph says that I am both Niki and Jessica. Niki is the good one and her goals are to rebuild her life and be with her family. Jessica will stop at nothing to protect Micah and will even go so far as to work with the villains. At some point I must make a choice between the two.
Exactly. Given how much scrutiny he was under Day One I'm sure Hunted Charlie thought a cop investigation was imminent and so wanted to make sure he had a chance of winning. (It sounds like if he were to die before choosing a side, he couldn't win with either town or mafia.)
Right, my win condition until I made a choice is to use the Choice ability and I obviously couldn't do that if I died. That's why my focus was on surviving and not getting investigated as scum--if I waited to choose and an investigation hit me, I would be lynched. Which would destroy my chances of winning. It really made a lot of sense to choose town.
As has been said, the rules would seem to be a decent reason to assume so. The is no reason to assume that he can use multiple abilities.
No, there isn't. There's also no reason to assume that he can't. I'm not saying what Sylar can and cannot do, I'm saying that we don't know what Sylar can and cannot do, or how his abilities work. Maybe he saves up one-shot abilities like Peter but could use multiple in a night. Maybe he keeps one ability at a time but keeps it forever. Maybe he really does have Peter's exact ability. The point is we don't know so it's odd that you seemed so certain about his ability.
Yes, obviously it was not a great idea. I am really not sure what else you want me to say.
You keep saying first that it was a bad idea and you regret it, but then in the same post try to justify your actions with lines like "Why would I listen to the second scummiest person in the game?" Pick one. If you really think that was a bad idea, why do you keep defending it?
WOD is actively lurking and making no effort to hide it.
I think it's worth noting that in my last game with Wrath_of_DoG he played with this exact same pattern, and I believe he was town. Not ruling him out, but it seems like he is just a chronic lurker so I don't think that's much of a tell.
I agree with WoD: Everyone (including me) should reread joboman's posts and the progression of joboman's wagon. Figure out who was bussing joboman (likely at least one scum) and who was defending him (if anyone).
Guess i mispoke. I meant that town could kill him if we got a vig role or something.
So joboman does bus in his mafia games?
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i think that Ro's innocent. Hammering would make people suspicious of him and i think that sylar would want to stay unnoticed.
Yes, we are tunnel-visioning. I mostly just want him to claim. From there I'll decide whether or not I think he's a good lynch, but I would like him to claim.
I find this post especially incriminating. Note how he breadcrumbs us here (bold is mine), subtlety claiming he has a relevant night action.
Also note how different his tone is now than later. He comes out as being very willing to claim. Later, when it's looking like he's going to get out of it, he clams up. Together with his "and I screwed up too" comment, it feels like he was going to claim a power role to try and avoid the lynch, but when things started looking up for him, he decided he didn't need to.
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1. It was scummy because it cut our discussion short.
2. Wagon vs. case? Semantics won't save you. There was originally the one point, but since then there have been more, including your continued insistence that you did nothing wrong.
3. Mindlessly barning is scummy. "Continuing the vote from the previous Day" is also scummy because it means you're not taking into account the things we learned from the end of Day and Night.
TL; DR: Defeatism. Ad hom. Flip-flop.
Reviving Cyanzilla, Killer of Scum, who happens to also be one of the the strongest Heroes, seems like the best play to make in this situation.
Certainly, but I get the impression that having Peter alive "evens the odds" in terms of them both acquiring new abilities and keeping the status quo in check. If Sylar isn't found soon it may be difficult to stop him without knowledge of what kind of abilities are in this game (or an equally strong role in Peter).
A false claim in this game shouldn't be too hard to spot; there are only so many main characters in Season One.
So long as no one quotes one of Alpha's posts...
/barn.
I don't think this displays a pro-town mindset at all.
But now I am at L-2 so I will claim.
I was Niki/Jessica Sanders, Dissociative. My alignment was Hero/Villain-ally. My win condition was to use my Choice ability, a single-shot night action where I could choose either Hero or Villain-ally and my role would change to reflect that. Until then the result of any investigation or anything else that returned an alignment would be randomly chosen. I had to use this ability before Day 4 or I would lose the game. It pretty much meant I had to predict which side would win before Day 4.
Last night, I realized that I would probably be investigated after Day 1 and I wanted to reduce the chance of an investigation coming up scum, plus since we lynched scum Day 1 it seemed like town was the favorite to win. So I decided to use my Choice ability. I chose "Hero" and was given a new role (although I confirmed that investigations last night would still be given the randomly chosen alignment):
Now I am Niki Sanders - Dissociative (Hero). My ability is a supernatural one named Super Strength which makes me require an extra vote to be lynched.
That was also the stupid choice I made last night. After waking up and seeing three town dead including Peter, I wished I had picked Villain-ally.
To help show that I'm not lying about the role, I want to quote part of Peter's ability:
So, yes, this is pretty definitely a reference to my ability.
I have no evidence to show that I didn't actually pick Villain-ally, but if you think about it that would be stupid. I was definitely going to be investigated and we had just lynched scum Day 1 without any town casualties yet. Hero seemed like the logical choice.
And now I'm town.
I believe your claim but it's just like flipping a coin. You may say the truth or you may not
Also people who know the show better than me correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't Jessica the one with super strength?
Guess will have to see if your claim works.
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He's now at L-1.
Based on his ability we need 2 more votes to lynch him. Someone vote for him right now.
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Seriously...tordeck, you're such obvscum.
You lying scum.
He used his ability to minimize his chances of getting investigated as scum, yet his chances of getting scum aren't changed. Makes perfect sense.
The reason he claimed that is obvious: he's still afraid he was investigated and wants to be able to claim miller. So he's covering his tracks, not noticing it's a complete contradiction.
On top of that, he says his "mistake" was choosing town. Which, I'm sorry, is not something you're going to just go around posting.
So yeah, I think he's scum. Even if his ability works.
It makes sense if investigations resolve prior to the decision between alignments. I'd also want to cover the town's ass ass if I knew this information before a cop decided to hammer me, mislynch, then get killed by scum.
Choosing town is certainly a mistake if you suddenly think that scum have a better shot at winning. The math is about the same since town:scum is generally 3:1 anyway, but HC's playstyle suggests a relatively low level of guile so him saying this is par for the course.
HC wouldn't claim this as scum (or bread-crumb in his first post of D2); he would probably just claim Niki to remove the possibility of people tunnel-visioning him or voting for other bad reasons. (I wonder if we know anyone like that...) Also, it's not WIFOM because one of these is clearly better than the other for scum to claim.
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You're missing my point. He says he chose town because he didn't want to get cop-investigated and have it accidentally show scum.
However, this doesn't make sense, as by choosing town, he prevent the thing he was using the ability to stop: he could just save the ability for later, when the game had played out more.
A contradiction.
If you've fulfilled your wincon, now what?
Agree with NA here, there seems to be a contradiction.
Yeah but he said he used his ability to prevent himself from turning up a random result when he then said he would turn up a random result regardless.
Niki/Jessica go hand in hand the first season and claiming just Niki would probably arouse suspicion. That being said it does sound safer than claiming what he did.
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I would agree with this if he had claimed a targeting ability (i.e. vig), but he claimed a passive one. Niki always had her powers even if she didn't know how to control them.
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Actually how exactly does "Super Strength" turn into "one extra vote to be lynched"? Niki's abilities were aggressive ones (i.e ripping people to shreds) not defensive ones. I don't recall her being harder to kill.
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If he isn't dead it makes sense to keep an eye on him as he might well have chosen scum and gotten the ability either way. But if he told the truth then I think he is not the lynch for today.
I will also put in that he probably hasn't won the game yet. If he chose town then he probably has to win with the town, and visa versa.
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It happened in Season 1, this game is about Season 1, I don't see a contradiction. It was from the end but did he ever say that this game only used the first half of Season 1?
I think you must have misunderstood me. After I have used the ability, cop investigations etc. will now always return town. The only thing is that last night, while my ability was working, they still returned random. It's like a one-night delay before the investigations work. The reason I used my ability is because I covered myself from Night 2, 3, 4, etc. cop investigations. Whereas if I waited to use it until Night 2, then Night 2 cop investigations might show me as scum as well. I wanted to clarify this just in case a cop came out and tried to call my lie by saying that they got scum last night. To show that I am not a miller, if any cop has investigated me and turned up scum, feel free to investigate me again tonight and see that I am now fully town.
I win with the town like a normal townie now. If I had chosen Villain-ally I would have won with the mafia (though I wouldn't have been able to participate in the talking/NK, as I confirmed with the mod).
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I don't believe this for a second.
You threw away your chance at not having to choose town or scum until night 3--when you would have a substantially better idea of who was winning--in exchange for. . .coming up as town on the off chance you were cop investigated on Night 2(when you had a 50/50 chance of showing up as town anyway) but the cop decided not to investigate you on Night 1.
I think I'm understanding you perfectly, you just aren't making any sense.
Because you're lying scum.
If a cop investigated you it was a 50% of you being scum. You are so certain that the result came up scum that I believe you are scum and you're trying not to get lynched by cop investigation.
I consider you as a neutral that had to make a choice. Why not on night 3?
You could have claimed this waited until the town made a case on you or somebody else and then tell you're role. I don't think it would have gotten you killed because you could still become town.
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I will let my vote here because I will be V/LA.
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Players needed to lynch: 9
Hunted_Charlie - 8 - tordeck, Nom_Anor, Wrath_of_DoG, dropkickdude, Syrenz, TACKY, dracofaust, vezokpiraka - (L-2)
red_0mega - 4 - OneMoreTime, Hunted_Charlie, AsianInvasion, TheIceMan - (L-5)
OneMoreTime - 1 - Archmage_Eternal - (L-8)
Players not voting: Ecophagy, StormBlind, Ace, Cyouni, red_0mega
As far as i can tell tordeck's vote never took HC to 9 votes because tordeck only unvoted and revoted HC. With 8 votes, HC takes 2 more to lynch. Just clearing that up.
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So HC was telling the truth about his ability, which makes it fairly likely that he's also been truthful about his role.
As far as the logic goes:
I don't buy Tordeck's theory, and I certainly would not vote (let alone lynch) on the back of it. Too much mod-gaming.
HC knew going into D2 that he would be a prime suspect. He probably figured that he was going to have to claim at some point. Given the circumstances (and that we lynched scum D1) it seems highly unlikely that he would have picked scum. Why would he pick scum in that situation? That leaves him as undecided or town. And if he's undecided, why would he lie and say he's town, and why would he have claimed a screw-up? And speaking of the "screw-up" he claimed early today, are we just going to assume HC said it to set up a claim later on? I don't credit him with that kind of guile.
Not liking Tordeck, Vezok, or Onemoretime.
Right now, those are my top of the barrel'ers.
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This should count and lynch him if he's lying.
I don't have time to say anything else, since I'm kinf of tipsy and totally exhausted. I will start playing properly come Monday.
I misunderstood the meaning of the term. I thought it simply meant "throwing someone under the bus" as in going after them rather hard. My apologies on that.
I have issue with this though. Just because he takes an extra vote to lynch, doesn't mean he's being truthful about anything else at all. Just because we confirmed he's not lying about that, doesn't confirm his character, doesn't confirm his alignment, doesn't confirm anything at all. He could very well be someone else with a different reason for needing an extra vote to lynch. We can't even prove for sure right now that he hasn't chosen Villain-Ally even if he is being truthful! His play has been scummy, and I'm comfortable leaving my vote right where it is based on that play.
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Okay.
If a cop investigated him with a scum result we likely would know about it by now. On that note I also doubt anyone would investigate him N1 as he seemed a very likely vig shot. Also he's asking to be investigated and the godfather is already dead so it's most likely that he is actually town.
I agree with that logic. Picking town would definitely have seemed optimal at that point. That and the fact that his claim is a pretty risky one to make as scum has me believing that he's town.
Okay.
His scummy play makes sense now if you think about it because he wasn't actually town until recently.
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Personally I want to take a look at Ace right now.
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Exactly. Plus, being +1 to lynch isn't the most townie of abilities anyway.
I've already said I think he did defend himself fairly well. While I consider it's possible that he's lying about his role, the flavor and ability does fit well.
Additionally, I've already said why I think it's pretty unlikely he would have chosen Villain-Ally.
This is true. Although it doesn't drop suspicion, it would make more sense to leave HC to the whims of a cop or vig at this point and move on to examining the rest of the town, or lynching R_O.
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I'm also not liking Tordeck's gaming the mod (which is quite frankly over-the-top). I realise this will sound rich coming from me but: "Plan on giving any content Todeck?"
I did come right out and say I was though. And yeah, give me some time to reread the case on RO and I'll see what I can contribute. Other than that I nothing really caught my eye other than getting rid of "The Bomb" and HC's bad claim.
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Think about it: I am a guaranteed suspect to be constantly scrutinized, and the town seems to be in a good position to win. I knew for sure I would end up getting wagoned to claim and at that point I'm left with a few not-particularly-appealing choices: lie (better chance of me getting caught), tell the truth and have the town want to eliminate me as I was essentially a neutral, or lie and say I've already used my ability (leaving me vulnerable to a cop investigation which would prove I'm lying). None of these options sounded good, so I turned town and can now claim truthfully (which I had hoped would help).
What I suggest: have a cop investigate me tonight. If I come up town, as somebody pointed out there has already been a godfather, so it would mean almost certainly that I am town. Until then, we go after red__0mega who is real scum.
Stormblind too, flying very low. With talk of Sylar not wanting to get noticed this might be a start. Plus I recall SB being active with significant contributions in other games.
I'm not Sure about HC. The role makes sense but how he went about it is scummy. Nom makes good points which tend to bring me back to siding that he is scum.
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One more thing, just thought of it, is he has until day 4, presumably night 3, need clarification here, to pick a side. Is it at all possible for a scum win if he waits for N3 to pick and they just so happen to have all the scum left? Assuming Joboman survived and the town went though mislynches, it seems broken to think that HC could just pick a side and instantly make them win with a majority.
@HC: What flavor/information do you have about you becoming scum had you picked it?
Not liking what I see. Too many questions and issues.
Exactly. Given how much scrutiny he was under Day One I'm sure Hunted Charlie thought a cop investigation was imminent and so wanted to make sure he had a chance of winning. (It sounds like if he were to die before choosing a side, he couldn't win with either town or mafia.)
People trying to say that HC's claim is false because it doesn't make sense from a flavor perspective are illogical and/or scum. Just because the game is flavorful doesn't mean that every role matches the show's characters exactly.
Agreed.
StormBlind's suggestion that we wagon/lynch the claimed neutral bothers me as well, but I agree with him that tordeck is scummy.
Expect a vote against Ace or tordeck in the near future unless we see something drastic from red_0mega.
Except he would have SAID that, if that's what he was thinking.
As has been said, the rules would seem to be a decent reason to assume so. The is no reason to assume that he can use multiple abilities. Does that sound very balanced to you? I am not sure about anyone else, but I am fairly certain that just about everyone has an ability of some kind. Even several of the normals have decent justification for an ability. But again, I never said that I do not want anyone going after Sylar yet, just that it seems like a shot in the dark at this point.
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Yes, obviously it was not a great idea. I am really not sure what else you want me to say.
Fair enough. In hindsight I see it was a bad idea, as I have said several times now. Either this is enough for you to vote for me, or it is not.
What is the rest of the case then, I must have missed it? If it is that I "continued insisting" that I did nothing wrong, I must have missed that as well. I do not recall doing that (except perhaps in twilight, but then where have I continued?).
Fair enough, although plenty of people have been doing it in this game. What did we learn from Night 1 that would have made anyone who was voting for him before change their mind?
Hunted Charlie's claim is believable, makes me think twice about lynching him. I agree that we should probably let the investigation/vig sort him out, and start looking at some others.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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Ace and SB have both been as far as a i can tell mostly plain sight lurking. WOD is actively lurking and making no effort to hide it. Cyan hasn't really been around much but what he says feels like an active contribution, not lurking. All three of those lurking players have lots of mafia experience. I would hazard a guess that if sylar would want to stay out of peoples vision it is unlikely someone with lots of mafia experience and the sylar role would choose to lurk. That's based on wifom of course but wifom, like gaming the mod, is often highly effective.
Tordeck has been rather useless, sadly, and RO hasn't really done anything (today), that strikes me as ridiculously scummy. I mean the trying to discredit and/or ignore his wagon was a little annoying but not really worthy of lynching someone over. Still definitely worth keeping an eye on him but not the lynch for today i think.
Vezopiraka is acting so ridiculously scummy but he's already claimed a neutral bomb character. Hate it when people do that :(.
Therefore i think at least for now I will withdraw my vote for further consideration.
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Right, my win condition until I made a choice is to use the Choice ability and I obviously couldn't do that if I died. That's why my focus was on surviving and not getting investigated as scum--if I waited to choose and an investigation hit me, I would be lynched. Which would destroy my chances of winning. It really made a lot of sense to choose town.
No, there isn't. There's also no reason to assume that he can't. I'm not saying what Sylar can and cannot do, I'm saying that we don't know what Sylar can and cannot do, or how his abilities work. Maybe he saves up one-shot abilities like Peter but could use multiple in a night. Maybe he keeps one ability at a time but keeps it forever. Maybe he really does have Peter's exact ability. The point is we don't know so it's odd that you seemed so certain about his ability.
You keep saying first that it was a bad idea and you regret it, but then in the same post try to justify your actions with lines like "Why would I listen to the second scummiest person in the game?" Pick one. If you really think that was a bad idea, why do you keep defending it?
I think it's worth noting that in my last game with Wrath_of_DoG he played with this exact same pattern, and I believe he was town. Not ruling him out, but it seems like he is just a chronic lurker so I don't think that's much of a tell.
Although Cyan was lurking earlier, he is now dead. So that's probably why he hasn't been around much lately.
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