Both times I've seen someone claim cop with a scum investigation on someone who they didn't vote for immediately, they've been lying scum. I'm applying that principle here when I unvote; vote Tilde.
Either your sanity is questionable, or you're lying and hoping to get away with it. Both are possible.
I am Torral, Garaman Townie Regenerator. I can heal people by causing their cells to regenerate, but this is a painful process. Unpowered, I act as a jailer, in that I protect people, but the pain incapacitates them. Powered, I can become a doctor, removing the pain.
I targeted Guardman last night, hence the pain thing. I didn't want to connect yesterday because it left me with more options as to what to do in night.
I can confirm that given what Toast said he targeted me last night and it is one hell of a painful ability from the PM I got (I passed out halfway through it). But I can't confirm what it did. The PM only said that I didn't know what in-game effect it would have on me.
But also I am more inclined to believe a cop investigation over a claim like this. And while Tilde's action are suspect, I find the timing weird for him to be trying a gambit. It is too soon in the game and they are down one scum for this to make sense as a situation where they want to trade. Also I don't get why Toast would be their target to trade with, since I haven't seen anything so far in game that would suggest he was a threat to the scum or had a power role. Given this I feel comfortable believing Tilde's results.
More accurately, Toast's post convinced me that ZDS was TOAST'S scumbuddy.
I'm Teng, Garaman Townie Operative. I'm a JoaT. I used a cop investigation on Toast last night. He's scum. I've been sitting on the information all day to see if his interactions would out his buddies. I'm pretty sure they have, but no sense in laying all my cards on the table right?
My vote stays on ZDS though in the face of that "I conditionally roleblock the first night action taken against me each night" claim. He needs to die first.
I know it's Tilde we're talking about, but, I am deeply skeptical that he would have a scum investigation on someone, and even after revealing it..still want to lynch someone else.
It's really hard to see anyone acting like that. The problem is that, in Tilde's case..it's not impossible.
Still, I'm pretty sure that we have to play the odds here and make the 'this is not how any townie would act' play, which is lynching Tilde. Unvote, Vote Tilde
This is silly. Tilde's logic is clearly way out in the twilight zone here.
But I can't imagine how YOU can't imagine a townie Tilde pulling this kind of stunt. Maybe you need to be daykilled by him before you can appreciate the depths of his randomness, but I can completely and utterly see this coming out of his townie mindset.
What I can't see is him trying to pull this kind of a stunt as scum. What's he hoping to gain here? It's a completely no-win scenario as scum.
Are you willing to lynch Toastboy first? It seems silly to lynch a non-confirmed player, doesn't it when we can't even be sure that ZDS and Toastboy are buddies.
Oh, and what's the chance you're insane/a cop variant?
Lynching Toast today is fine by me, ZDS' claim just seemed to me that it'd be better to use a lynch for him. We can do that tomorrow.
Unvote, Vote Toastboy
As for role-based investigation sanity issues? My abilities are 1-shot already, so making them 1-shot and questionable? That just screams mod-<censored>ery, so I have to say it's reliable.
I am not good at reading Tilde, so I'm not even trying. I can see him doing this from both sides, so I'm leaving that well alone.
I've gotta say, this little remark may have tipped me over the edge. Here you have a guy calling you scum based on an alleged investigation and you response is "meh, he might be town, might be scum, I can't read him...."
Unvote if I'm voting
Vote: Toastboy
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Anyone saying that we should lynch a Cop with a claimed Guilty over the person he has the guilty on... especially day 2 when we're a scum up so far... is retarded. Even if it's Tilde.
I'm currently at a 3 day lan so might be the last contentpost for me for awhile.
I count 12 votes on Toast now - EP, Key, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, cyouni, joboman, WoD, Cyan (the hammer) and Stormblind.
Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
I count 12 votes on Toast now - EP, Key, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, cyouni, joboman, WoD, Cyan (the hammer) and Stormblind.
Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
Wait... WHAT?! This makes absoultley NO SENSE! How the hell did you create the false dichotomy between either Guardman or Toastboy being scum?!? YOU EVEN SAY IT YOURSELF!! *Facepalm* WTF!?!?
What even were the results of you trackings??? You left that out...
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I count 12 votes on Toast now - EP, Key, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, cyouni, joboman, WoD, Cyan (the hammer) and Stormblind.
Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
* StormBlind Facepalms so hard my head explodes. ............................................________
I count 12 votes on Toast now - EP, Key, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, cyouni, joboman, WoD, Cyan (the hammer) and Stormblind.
Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
If you are town I hope you die in a fire.
If you are scum...carry on, I guess.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I knew it. Curse you, Azrael. And TB for being just so scummy.
Tilde is lying anyway. I'm a Tracker. Last night I(well, Gigas) tried to track Seppel(whom he was connected with at the time), but it didn't work out, as I've previously explained.
That's funny. I am currently a tracker upgraded from psycho. I didn't use it because I couldn't control the target, and I had an offer to hide away and protect myself instead.
@E_P: In Basic #2, ced fake-counterclaimed Shadow Knight in LyLo, naming a guilty investigation on his own scumbuddy, but did not vote for him or show any sign at all that he had an investigation. In Left 4 Dead, Toastboy reacted to pressure by claiming he had a scum investigation on lrd, but again, gave no previous indication of it.
Now that we see the truth of Tilde's play, the situation is not analogous, but I do not withdraw my vote or my feelings about Tilde. He now claims to have tracked Toastboy but did not share the (presumably damning) nature of the result he supposedly received. And again - although failing to claim a positive tracker result immediately is not nearly as egregious as doing the same with a cop ability - I don't see why Tilde's first post of the day wouldn't be "hey guys, saw Toastboy targeting someone, want to explain that?" See WoD in Manga Mafia for an example of how a townie would play a significant tracker result and compare to Tilde's play here.
In the wake of Seppel's disappearance, you mill around uncertainly, pointing fingers. Finally ~Tilde~ stands up and dramatically accuses Toastboy. "I know you're scum! One hundred percent! You can't hide from me!" Buoyed by his certainty, the rest of the town descends on Toastboy, pummeling him into oblivion. Standing back, they wait in triumph for his spirit to reveal itself...
...and step back aghast. Toastboy was no scum, but was, in fact, a regenerator. One of the rarest and most valuable gifts, that of good health... and you've killed him. Squandered his gifts. How? Why? Turning to ~Tilde~, you silently ask for answers. He looks back at you all, and shrugs.
"Oops?"
Toastboy has been lynched. He was Torral, Garaman Townie Regenerator.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due in 80 hours, at 8 am Eastern on Wednesday, June 9th. If you have an optional night ability that you will not be using, please let me know this; that way I may be able to start the next day early.
Everyone was too keyed up to sleep well. Throughout the night, search parties kept going out, either trying to find the missing Seppel or looking for signs of anyone trying to do harm to others. It was debated later whether this made the town more vulnerable to the predators, or whether the dead would have ended up that way regardless.
Cyan (Deem, Garaman Townie Investigator) was the first to die, although the last to be found. His throat had been slit and his body stuffed into a closet. Guardman (Seon, Garaman Townie Inciter) was found lying in a corridor with a hole burned completely through his throat. Finally, desCoures (Jhan, Garaman Townie Death Speaker) was discovered with a bullet in the back. Three dead. Three - or, rather, four. Seppel was nowhere to be found, and this time the ship had been searched well enough for you to be sure there was nobody in hiding. Seppel was dead, and however it had happened, his soul wasn't anywhere that any of you could perceive. No way to tell which team he had been playing for.
You reconvened in the common room uneasily. The optimism of the first day was long gone. What would happen next?
It is now Day 3. Seppel has been moved from Missing to Dead. With 16 players living it is 9 votes to lynch. The deadline for Day 3 is set for 10 am Eastern on Wednesday, June 23rd.
Any Connections outstanding from Day 2 are still active unless the players involved were told otherwise, or one of the participants is now dead. Any outstanding (unanswered) Connection requests from Day 2 have now lapsed.
I cannot vote today, or it will mean bad things for my role. I also gained a nice ability that I don't want to effect. I also don't want to make any connections today so my role isn't effected. I still cannot become powered, but I have a powered ability.
I count 12 votes on Toast now - EP, Key, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, cyouni, joboman, WoD, Cyan (the hammer) and Stormblind.
Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
Words. Fail.
It's safe to say your credibility with me has been completely shot. If you're town, you put your own read ahead of the entire group without even bothering to discuss it. You either bluffed out your OWN TEAM or you've got stones of scummy steel. How can we possibly trust you from now on?
In other news, I used a one-shot investigation ability on Tilde last night, and he's also scum...:mad::sneaky::mad:
I cannot vote today, or it will mean bad things for my role. I also gained a nice ability that I don't want to effect. I also don't want to make any connections today so my role isn't effected. I still cannot become powered, but I have a powered ability.
Lots of interesting info, but not a lot of position.
Tilde seems like the obvious suspect, but his reasoning on Guard and Toast makes sense. I suppose he could have dreamed that up as justification, but the apology post sounds sincere. With four suspects eliminated, it's time for a big honkin' reread.
I'm... actually rather confused. I figured I'd be dead by now.
1) StormBlind hasn't broken connection with me yet (and he had the opportunity to do so before night because of his posts)
2) I used a roleblock ability on Joboman last night. I'm not responsible for any of the kills. (his reaction at end of day 2 seemed like a "protest too much" one)
3) Not sure if Az is being sarcastic or lying (or something really strange is going on that would just look like a pathetic excuse.)
I'm sending a break connection request now. There's too much weirdness going on, but for some reason SB and Cantripmancer are reading scummy to me now. (maybe its the fact they were kinda supporting me most of day 2. Seriously, I'm NOT that good a player.)
I'm... actually rather confused. I figured I'd be dead by now.
Why would scum kill you if you're town?
I'm sending a break connection request now. There's too much weirdness going on, but for some reason SB and Cantripmancer are reading scummy to me now. (maybe its the fact they were kinda supporting me most of day 2. Seriously, I'm NOT that good a player.)
3) Not sure if Az is being sarcastic or lying (or something really strange is going on that would just look like a pathetic excuse.)
I'm extremely confused by Az's posts.
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I'm sending a break connection request now. There's too much weirdness going on, but for some reason SB and Cantripmancer are reading scummy to me now. (maybe its the fact they were kinda supporting me most of day 2. Seriously, I'm NOT that good a player.)
I agreed with you that Axelrod seemed to be explaining away elements of the D1 lynch (posts #680 and #705), and also in 680 I indicated that you were right that Seppel was anxious to lynch Guardman. Other than that, these were my indications of you:
(@Tilde: )
Why assume that it was one of them? RobRoy made it pretty clear that there were "eleven" votes on AI at the end, which means that the "extra" vote likely was secretive (that is, wouldn't reflect in the votecount).
I would be at least one other person who has expressed concern of your actions. I don't see Tilde as extremely townie, and since your sudden ability to read him seems nothing short of miraculous, I continue to question your judgement, your alignment, or both.
Again, it's easy to say "huhwha?" #646 in particular seemed rather dense. I thought Tilde's arguments were on-track: using the ability to push the town toward two mislynches and/or creating a fast D3 would be ample compensation for the life of a scum who was on a fast-track wagon. (Of course, directing two mislynches and then creating a third of townie-Guardman would be even better, which is why I'm still suspicious of you, ZDS.)
I've trusted Toastboy's play from the beginning. Tilde wasn't hitting a lot of scumpings for me, but I didn't get that solid townie feeling like I did from Toast. I'm inclined to believe Tilde is the scum in this situation.
@Tilde: Can you point me to a game or two where you were a power role (cop in particular would be nice)?
Tilde: Are you afraid of me doing a meta-comparison on you? Will you or won't you provide me with some games on this site where you were a town power role, preferably a cop?
Not to mention the ginormous PBPA and questioning I did of you in post #1058.
Where, exactly, was I "supporting" you D2? I agreed with you on a couple of reads, but that was it.
And if you aren't that good a player, why run such an odd read-gambit that involves lying to the town?
Cantrip -> Do you read Tilde's post as sincere or insincere?
I read the apology post at the end of D2 as sincere; I couldn't see why he would preemptively draw any vig-targeting onto himself like that right before we go to night, and I bought it. But his indication that I was supporting him D2 is ridiculous, and coming after you (ZDS) questioned my read of his apology as sincere, feels like deflection. I'm beginning to wonder if his "apology" was designed to draw off the vig so that we didn't have an easy lynch target today or because he has a protective element.
How is supporting you scummy and what does your quality as a player have to do with it?
You're seriously asking this? I just single-handedly got the town doc mislynched off a (poorly-conceived in retrospect) gambit! Of course the scum (who know I'm town) would like to support me, I'll create more havoc than they ever could.
If I find out later we have a vig. in this game who didn't shoot ~Tilde~ (or worse, shot one of those other people instead) I will be extremely put out.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
2) I used a roleblock ability on Joboman last night. I'm not responsible for any of the kills. (his reaction at end of day 2 seemed like a "protest too much" one)
And you didn't use your "Inspect" ability this time because....?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
LOL. I guess I should thank ZDS for pointing out that vezok and dC were both shot as opposed to being killed by psychic powers.
Who'd be the most likely person to use a gun? Answer:
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Random speculation time: DesCoures and Vezok were both vigged (same MO, DC may make sense as a scum kill but Vezok doesn't). Guardman is the mafia kill (his ability is dangerous to the mafia, but helps the SK a tremendous lot). Cyan is the SK kill (this assumes there is an SK, rather than an extra vig, a mafia toughguy, a(nother) JoaT, etc.).
Making the "random speculation" on it can be seen as either distancing or bread-crumbing the vig role. If ZDS is the vig, I find it extremely unlikely that I'd still be breathing at this point. Ergo - ZDS isn't the vig, but is responsible for the kills on vezok and dC
Correction, only one of the was defined as being shot (DC) the others had their throat slit or burned out, these means I would guess that zds is responsible at most for one of the nks. Nice try the to make him look worse than he is
Correction, only one of the was defined as being shot (DC) the others had their throat slit or burned out, these means I would guess that zds is responsible at most for one of the nks. Nice try the to make him look worse than he is
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AsianInvasion - Alessandra de Medici, Terran Mafia Tracker. Lynched Day 1. vezokpiraka (r. bolmedias) - Arren, Garaman Townie Demagogue. Shot Night 1.
Seppel - Identity unknown. disappeared Day 2.
Toastboy - Torral, Garaman Townie Regenerator. Lynched Day 2.
Cyan (r. Gigas1) - Deem, Garaman Townie Investigator. Throat slit Night 2.
Guardman - Seon, Garaman Townie Inciter. Throat burned Night 2. desCoures - Jhan, Garaman Townie Death Speaker. Shot Night 2.
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And if you aren't that good a player, why run such an odd read-gambit that involves lying to the town?
Because I WILL do things that are unpredictable. I'm predictable that way.
Because I don't have an inspect ability. I had tracker, roleblock and self-sequester abilities.
Ah, not much of a JoaT then, are you? And clearly the thing to do in that situation is pretend you have a Cop inspect.
Also, "self-sequester?" Is that like self-protect for one Night?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm sending a break connection request now. There's too much weirdness going on, but for some reason SB and Cantripmancer are reading scummy to me now. (maybe its the fact they were kinda supporting me most of day 2. Seriously, I'm NOT that good a player.)
Care to resolve these two posts for me? You attack me (and SB) for supporting you most of D2, then answer my question of "Where was I supporting you?" with "As far as I can tell, you didn't support me."
So, as there is no way anyone other than ~Tilde~ is being lynched today, the question is, what needs to be done before that happens?
I don't know how this whole "connecting" thing is working out for people, but as far as I can tell it hasn't produced any visible results beyond the extra lynch yesterday. Emo is the only one being forthcoming about their abilities. This makes me coucerned about people who have been connecting for still unknown purposes.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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ZDS(3) - joboman, tordeck, ~Tilde~
KeyofDestiny(3) - Cyan, Cyouni, ZDS
Toastboy(3) - E_P, KeyofDestiny, Azrael
~Tilde~(3) - Toastboy, Cantripmancer, zindabad
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Axelrod
ChrisXIV
desCoures
Guardman
mmod
StormBlind
Wrath_of_DoG
Zebi
With 20 players alive, it is 11 votes to lynch. Please let me know if you believe I have made an error.
The deadline for the day is at 3 pm Eastern on Thursday, June 10th.
I can confirm that given what Toast said he targeted me last night and it is one hell of a painful ability from the PM I got (I passed out halfway through it). But I can't confirm what it did. The PM only said that I didn't know what in-game effect it would have on me.
But also I am more inclined to believe a cop investigation over a claim like this. And while Tilde's action are suspect, I find the timing weird for him to be trying a gambit. It is too soon in the game and they are down one scum for this to make sense as a situation where they want to trade. Also I don't get why Toast would be their target to trade with, since I haven't seen anything so far in game that would suggest he was a threat to the scum or had a power role. Given this I feel comfortable believing Tilde's results.
Vote Toastboy
I know it's Tilde we're talking about, but, I am deeply skeptical that he would have a scum investigation on someone, and even after revealing it..still want to lynch someone else.
It's really hard to see anyone acting like that. The problem is that, in Tilde's case..it's not impossible.
Still, I'm pretty sure that we have to play the odds here and make the 'this is not how any townie would act' play, which is lynching Tilde. Unvote, Vote Tilde
But I can't imagine how YOU can't imagine a townie Tilde pulling this kind of stunt. Maybe you need to be daykilled by him before you can appreciate the depths of his randomness, but I can completely and utterly see this coming out of his townie mindset.
What I can't see is him trying to pull this kind of a stunt as scum. What's he hoping to gain here? It's a completely no-win scenario as scum.
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Lynching Toast today is fine by me, ZDS' claim just seemed to me that it'd be better to use a lynch for him. We can do that tomorrow.
Unvote, Vote Toastboy
As for role-based investigation sanity issues? My abilities are 1-shot already, so making them 1-shot and questionable? That just screams mod-<censored>ery, so I have to say it's reliable.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I've gotta say, this little remark may have tipped me over the edge. Here you have a guy calling you scum based on an alleged investigation and you response is "meh, he might be town, might be scum, I can't read him...."
Unvote if I'm voting
Vote: Toastboy
Ive kept up with everything and I'm gunna /barn Guardmen on this one.
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Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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Anyone saying that we should lynch a Cop with a claimed Guilty over the person he has the guilty on... especially day 2 when we're a scum up so far... is retarded. Even if it's Tilde.
I'm currently at a 3 day lan so might be the last contentpost for me for awhile.
Unvote, Vote Toastboy
GJ Tildey!
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Now... for the news that's likely going to make Cyan and everyone else eat me for breakfast come tomorrow....
* ~Tilde~ turns over 2-7 offsuit.
This was a bluff.
I had used a tracker ability on Toast, not a cop ability. I knew that Guardman and Toast couldn't both be mafia because of that, but that didn't rule out both of them being town. The fact that Guardman's double-lynch ability worked as promised put him safely as town in my mind, and EP presenting the pseudo-counterclaim info helped reinforce that Toast was scum, but this lynch was all based on my reads. If I'm wrong about this, I truly apologize and have no problem with you all blasting me into oblivion.
I suggest you look at the reads from everyone today, regardless of what happens.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Wait... WHAT?! This makes absoultley NO SENSE! How the hell did you create the false dichotomy between either Guardman or Toastboy being scum?!? YOU EVEN SAY IT YOURSELF!! *Facepalm* WTF!?!?
What even were the results of you trackings??? You left that out...
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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I do believe ALL of the issues the town has had with this situation just explained perfectly.
If you are town I hope you die in a fire.
If you are scum...carry on, I guess.
I knew it. Curse you, Azrael. And TB for being just so scummy.
Tilde is lying anyway. I'm a Tracker. Last night I(well, Gigas) tried to track Seppel(whom he was connected with at the time), but it didn't work out, as I've previously explained.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModTilde claimed JoaT, by the way, not a full tracker.
Now that we see the truth of Tilde's play, the situation is not analogous, but I do not withdraw my vote or my feelings about Tilde. He now claims to have tracked Toastboy but did not share the (presumably damning) nature of the result he supposedly received. And again - although failing to claim a positive tracker result immediately is not nearly as egregious as doing the same with a cop ability - I don't see why Tilde's first post of the day wouldn't be "hey guys, saw Toastboy targeting someone, want to explain that?" See WoD in Manga Mafia for an example of how a townie would play a significant tracker result and compare to Tilde's play here.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Toastboy(11) - E_P, KeyofDestiny, Azrael, Guardman, ~Tilde~, Axelrod, tordeck, Cyouni, joboman, Wrath_of_DoG, Cyan
~Tilde~(3) - Toastboy, Cantripmancer, zindabad
KeyofDestiny(1) - ZDS
Not voting:
ChrisXIV
desCoures
mmod
Zebi
It is now twilight. You may continue to discuss while I prepare a lynch scene.
...and step back aghast. Toastboy was no scum, but was, in fact, a regenerator. One of the rarest and most valuable gifts, that of good health... and you've killed him. Squandered his gifts. How? Why? Turning to ~Tilde~, you silently ask for answers. He looks back at you all, and shrugs.
"Oops?"
Toastboy has been lynched. He was Torral, Garaman Townie Regenerator.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due in 80 hours, at 8 am Eastern on Wednesday, June 9th. If you have an optional night ability that you will not be using, please let me know this; that way I may be able to start the next day early.
Cyan (Deem, Garaman Townie Investigator) was the first to die, although the last to be found. His throat had been slit and his body stuffed into a closet. Guardman (Seon, Garaman Townie Inciter) was found lying in a corridor with a hole burned completely through his throat. Finally, desCoures (Jhan, Garaman Townie Death Speaker) was discovered with a bullet in the back. Three dead. Three - or, rather, four. Seppel was nowhere to be found, and this time the ship had been searched well enough for you to be sure there was nobody in hiding. Seppel was dead, and however it had happened, his soul wasn't anywhere that any of you could perceive. No way to tell which team he had been playing for.
You reconvened in the common room uneasily. The optimism of the first day was long gone. What would happen next?
It is now Day 3. Seppel has been moved from Missing to Dead. With 16 players living it is 9 votes to lynch. The deadline for Day 3 is set for 10 am Eastern on Wednesday, June 23rd.
Any Connections outstanding from Day 2 are still active unless the players involved were told otherwise, or one of the participants is now dead. Any outstanding (unanswered) Connection requests from Day 2 have now lapsed.
You may begin posting.
Words. Fail.
It's safe to say your credibility with me has been completely shot. If you're town, you put your own read ahead of the entire group without even bothering to discuss it. You either bluffed out your OWN TEAM or you've got stones of scummy steel. How can we possibly trust you from now on?
In other news, I used a one-shot investigation ability on Tilde last night, and he's also scum...:mad::sneaky::mad:
Lots of interesting info, but not a lot of position.
Tilde seems like the obvious suspect, but his reasoning on Guard and Toast makes sense. I suppose he could have dreamed that up as justification, but the apology post sounds sincere. With four suspects eliminated, it's time for a big honkin' reread.
EWP: Ok, so why no vote, Az?
Hence, no vote.
1) StormBlind hasn't broken connection with me yet (and he had the opportunity to do so before night because of his posts)
2) I used a roleblock ability on Joboman last night. I'm not responsible for any of the kills. (his reaction at end of day 2 seemed like a "protest too much" one)
3) Not sure if Az is being sarcastic or lying (or something really strange is going on that would just look like a pathetic excuse.)
I'm sending a break connection request now. There's too much weirdness going on, but for some reason SB and Cantripmancer are reading scummy to me now. (maybe its the fact they were kinda supporting me most of day 2. Seriously, I'm NOT that good a player.)
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Why would scum kill you if you're town?
My vote would be on you for that last line.
Scum wouldn't kill me for being town. I'm a perfect mislynch for them today. I expected to be VIGGED for what happened yesterday.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I'm extremely confused by Az's posts.
I agreed with you that Axelrod seemed to be explaining away elements of the D1 lynch (posts #680 and #705), and also in 680 I indicated that you were right that Seppel was anxious to lynch Guardman. Other than that, these were my indications of you:
(@Tilde: )
(@SB: )
(@ZDS: )
Not to mention the ginormous PBPA and questioning I did of you in post #1058.
Where, exactly, was I "supporting" you D2? I agreed with you on a couple of reads, but that was it.
And if you aren't that good a player, why run such an odd read-gambit that involves lying to the town?
Vote: ~Tilde~
I read the apology post at the end of D2 as sincere; I couldn't see why he would preemptively draw any vig-targeting onto himself like that right before we go to night, and I bought it. But his indication that I was supporting him D2 is ridiculous, and coming after you (ZDS) questioned my read of his apology as sincere, feels like deflection. I'm beginning to wonder if his "apology" was designed to draw off the vig so that we didn't have an easy lynch target today or because he has a protective element.
You're seriously asking this? I just single-handedly got the town doc mislynched off a (poorly-conceived in retrospect) gambit! Of course the scum (who know I'm town) would like to support me, I'll create more havoc than they ever could.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
If I find out later we have a vig. in this game who didn't shoot ~Tilde~ (or worse, shot one of those other people instead) I will be extremely put out.
And you didn't use your "Inspect" ability this time because....?
Who'd be the most likely person to use a gun? Answer:
Making the "random speculation" on it can be seen as either distancing or bread-crumbing the vig role. If ZDS is the vig, I find it extremely unlikely that I'd still be breathing at this point. Ergo - ZDS isn't the vig, but is responsible for the kills on vezok and dC
Vote ZDS
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Because I don't have an inspect ability. I had tracker, roleblock and self-sequester abilities.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
vote tilde
The Family
Because I WILL do things that are unpredictable. I'm predictable that way.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Ah, not much of a JoaT then, are you? And clearly the thing to do in that situation is pretend you have a Cop inspect.
Also, "self-sequester?" Is that like self-protect for one Night?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Care to resolve these two posts for me? You attack me (and SB) for supporting you most of D2, then answer my question of "Where was I supporting you?" with "As far as I can tell, you didn't support me."
I don't know how this whole "connecting" thing is working out for people, but as far as I can tell it hasn't produced any visible results beyond the extra lynch yesterday. Emo is the only one being forthcoming about their abilities. This makes me coucerned about people who have been connecting for still unknown purposes.