A combination of wanting to fulfill my win condition, believing he is the most likely American to have killed mmod, and wanting to point out in a fearmongering way that he is a FEARMONGER!!!
Logically that means you are blaming your action of choosing the shotgun over the truth serum on the lack of a mass claim.
And your reasoning as to why this is bad? All you've said is that it's "lame". Oh, and...
And to 'excuse my night actions'? **** no. I stand behind my choice of the shotgun, if you haven't noticed because you weren't reading.
Notice how you didn't actually say why you were for or against the mass claim, but used it as a launching pad to excuse your night actions. In my view, only the scum are trying to find excuses for their night actions - I think you can fill in the rest.
Wow. Really? According to this, I have not said why I was for the mass-claim. Especially when you read and ignored my answer, using it for something completely different.
If you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't), what I said was in response to you asking why I supported the mass-claim. Obviously they have nothing to do with each other.
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If Cyouni will accede to being lynched, I'll vote him.
**** no, I'm not going to just lay down and let shibui (whose arguments are just plain ridiculous) and Guardman (who just wants to get three souls no matter what) push my lynch based on crap arguments.
And your reasoning as to why this is bad? All you've said is that it's "lame". Oh, and...
And to 'excuse my night actions'? **** no. I stand behind my choice of the shotgun, if you haven't noticed because you weren't reading.
Wow. Really? According to this, I have not said why I was for the mass-claim. Especially when you read and ignored my answer, using it for something completely different.
If you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't), what I said was in response to you asking why I supported the mass-claim. Obviously they have nothing to do with each other.
If I drew an incorrect meaning from what you said, you should be explaining what you meant. In no way shape or form did you directly address why you were for the mass claim. You said this:
One needs only to look at what I did with the ability. You know, that thing about the shotgun vs. the truth serum?
That's it. There's no further elaboration on your part, only berating me for drawing a reasonable conclusion from the words you wrote.
As it stands, you are still just complaining about me drawing what you feel is a wrong conclusion from what you said but have not attempted to clarify what you meant.
If I drew an incorrect meaning from what you said, you should be explaining what you meant. In no way shape or form did you directly address why you were for the mass claim. You said this: (quote) That's it. There's no further elaboration on your part, only berating me for drawing a reasonable conclusion from the words you wrote.
Other than the fact that it's sitting in the place where an answer to your question (of why I was for the mass claim) should be? Does that mean nothing to you?
Other than the fact that I've been repeating that the quote's my answer? Does that also mean nothing?
I've got no problem with being PoEd. What I do have a problem with is people using crap arguments and not bothering to listen to the answers.
Aaanyways. If MMoD's info can be trusted (which I'm starting to feel that it cannot) it's probably AI. If it's AI, and there's more than one scum left, then I'd look among the people AI cleared. I'd personally say Guardman, as the main reason he's cleared of his behaviour is because of AI. If it's not AI, I'm not sure who it'd be.
If it can't be trusted, I really can't be sure. I'd say shibui, but I haven't got the odd feeling I got in response to him when he was scum in Normalville.
Hold on. Just remembered something.
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PoD, exactly how does your 'points system' work? Please go into as much detail as possible without PM quoting, and PM Xyre if necessary to make sure it's allowed. Please make sure to fully detail the section about how the points relate to the item, and what happens to the points after you get the item. Also detail how the points relate to your flavour.
You want a pattern? You've avoided actually making a commitment on scum until they're a certain lynch. Let's take Fox and Jobie out of the equation - we both agree they're null.
You didn't post in that time frame? I find that hard to believe, considering you were talking with CM about his question, past gambits, and then commented on the new addition to the blog. Right...
I never said anything about a defense of DV. It's the lack of attack when you said you did that concerns me. You told DV that "it's not really okay to become allies with the scum to get Cyan lynched". Even after you questioned him on wanting to listen to the words of a dead scum, you decided not to vote him until after he imploded.
Nice how you misrep it as a defense when I never said anything of the sort. It's not a defense - it's you avoiding making a commitment on them.
Other than the fact that it's sitting in the place where an answer to your question (of why I was for the mass claim) should be? Does that mean nothing to you?
I beleive I am saying your response was bad, not that it wasn't an answer.
Other than the fact that I've been repeating that the quote's my answer? Does that also mean nothing?
Repeating yourself does not constitute elaboration.
If it can't be trusted, I really can't be sure. I'd say shibui, but I haven't got the odd feeling I got in response to him when he was scum in Normalville.
In Normalville I stuck my neck out to try and keep my other scum buddies alive, and still no one attacked me outside of Seppel (who was still jumping player to player at that point) and AI (who vigged me). This is now the second time you have referenced Normalville, and this will be the second time you didn't actually use a meta argument.
Aaanyways. If MMoD's info can be trusted (which I'm starting to feel that it cannot) it's probably AI. If it's AI, and there's more than one scum left, then I'd look among the people AI cleared. I'd personally say Guardman, as the main reason he's cleared of his behaviour is because of AI. If it's not AI, I'm not sure who it'd be.
If it can't be trusted, I really can't be sure. I'd say shibui, but I haven't got the odd feeling I got in response to him when he was scum in Normalville.
Hold on. Just remembered something.
Guardman has not been scummy, has a role that is hard to see on scum, and I find is Very Behavioraly cleared.
We've already come to the group consensus as to the fact that the last scum "may" be investigation immune, and yet most players have agreed that the likelihood that Guardman is scum is slim to none. Why is it that you think that if AI is scum, that Guardman is the most likely scum with him, if there is a second scum?
How do you explain how he gave an item to someone on the night someone was killed when it is implied that you cannot kill and give an item on the same night? Unless someone has a reasonable explanation for this I really have no plans to lynch him right now.
I beleive I am saying your response was bad, not that it wasn't an answer.
Other than when you said: "In no way shape or form did you directly address why you were for the mass claim."
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In Normalville I stuck my neck out to try and keep my other scum buddies alive, and still no one attacked me outside of Seppel (who was still jumping player to player at that point) and AI (who vigged me). This is now the second time you have referenced Normalville, and this will be the second time you didn't actually use a meta argument.
Note how he's not actually saying anything much here about his opinion.
Guardman has not been scummy, has a role that is hard to see on scum, and I find is Very Behavioraly cleared.
We've already come to the group consensus as to the fact that the last scum "may" be investigation immune, and yet most players have agreed that the likelihood that Guardman is scum is slim to none. Why is it that you think that if AI is scum, that Guardman is the most likely scum with him, if there is a second scum?
It just feels so very odd. Felt almost like what Cyan was accused of being (an absorbing SK). But anyways, I've found someone better. So nevermind on Guardman.
At night, I can choose to PM the mod, and in doing this, I get a point. When I have three points, I get an Emergency supplies (my doc protect item) and the three points disappear, so if I want another ES then I have to start again with the point gathering.
As for my flavour: It details a missile strike in Lebanon next to the building that I am in at the time. (it also possibly mentions the man in the armani suit getting off a bus just before, btw). I come out of the wreckage of the building, and see general chaos. I see a woman with an injured child, and I stop to help and treat the child. I then see a hospital and run towards it.
The flavour doesn't really relate to the points system, more that it explains that I am a doctor.
Yesterday, Cyouni said that he passed the shot of adrenaline to someone, and that he would only reveal who if that person wanted to. That person was me. I used the adrenaline last night on myself, allowing me two extra night actions.
The first I used to protect AI, as I thought that a investigating role could be a likely NK target. The second I used to get my final point to acquire my second Emergency supplies (which is the item that supplies me with a doc protect).
Can't believe I didn't notice this earlier.
Claimed actions:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
As you can see, it's clearly impossible. First, two actions cannot be used in one period (day/night). Since PoD has to send a PM to Xyre, it's impossible for the point-gathering ability to be passive. Regardless, the Night 5 actions are impossible. It is impossible for her to have gained the three points necessary to get the Emergency Supplies in one night. Furthermore, since she claimed to have used the Adrenaline that night, we can also confirm that the point-gathering ability is active, otherwise there'd be no point to using the item.
Vote Penguin of Death
Oh, by the way, that means there are two scum left.
I protected Zinda last night, which could be why no-one died.
where she insinuates that Zinda might have been the kill target which she would know that he wasn't if her supplies weren't used up.
@PoD:Why did you insinuate that Zindabad could have been the kill target when you should know from the fact that you either had or no longer had the supplies?
Also want answers to Cyouni's questions.
Not putting on my votes yet so she doesn't get quicklynched.
where she insinuates that Zinda might have been the kill target which she would know that he wasn't if her supplies weren't used up.
Yeah, that's the killer for me. Also how she failed to protect Calvin on either N4 or N5 when he was the obvious choice (I attributed this to noobness, but on reflection, PoD played in Basic #9 and knows about the positive interaction that a watcher and a doc provide.)
She still isn't the one doing the kills, though, as we know from DM's block on her. Meaning her partner is an American. My money is still on AI.
Other than when you said: "In no way shape or form did you directly address why you were for the mass claim."
Holy ☺☺☺☺ you are the most obtuse person on Earth if you think you even remotely answered that question directly. It was unclear and I have explained how it comes across, you on the other hand still refuse to explain anything. You have hunkered down in "blame others" land and refuse to do anything other than toss soft balls out there at other players.
Quit griping about how unjust me pressing you is, and do something about it.
Note how he's not actually saying anything much here about his opinion.
Opinion on what?
You didn't ask for an opinion, you didn't even asked a question. You lobbed the second meta reference to Normalville with ☺☺☺☺ all to back it up.
You said "this reminds me of Normalville" without citing a behavior. I then say "This is what happened in Normalville". You respond with "Notice how he didn't actually give an opinion". That exchange makes no sense, and it's entirely on your end.
Either start clarifying something, or stop *****ing about me continuing to hound you.
It just feels so very odd. Felt almost like what Cyan was accused of being (an absorbing SK). But anyways, I've found someone better. So nevermind on Guardman.
You do realize you are trying to paint Guardman as scum solely on gaming the mod someone did about Cyan getting the role PMs of the people he killed?
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The case on PoD is really strong, and I will wait for a response before posting more.
Holy ☺☺☺☺ you are the most obtuse person on Earth if you think you even remotely answered that question directly. It was unclear and I have explained how it comes across, you on the other hand still refuse to explain anything. You have hunkered down in "blame others" land and refuse to do anything other than toss soft balls out there at other players.
Quit griping about how unjust me pressing you is, and do something about it.
Pick one. Either I didn't address your question, or my answer was bad. You can't pick both.
Read question, read answer, then think. Is thinking too much to ask?
(Since it apparently is: And is trying to get additional opinions on which item to repair a bad thing?)
Opinion on what?
You didn't ask for an opinion, you didn't even asked a question. You lobbed the second meta reference to Normalville with ☺☺☺☺ all to back it up.
You said "this reminds me of Normalville" without citing a behavior. I then say "This is what happened in Normalville". You respond with "Notice how he didn't actually give an opinion". That exchange makes no sense, and it's entirely on your end.
Either start clarifying something, or stop *****ing about me continuing to hound you.
I said it DOESN'T remind me of Normalville. Read, damn it.
You do realize you are trying to paint Guardman as scum solely on gaming the mod someone did about Cyan getting the role PMs of the people he killed?
Incorrect. Nice how you use the language "paint him as scum". There's a world of difference between Cyan getting role PMs and some people guessing he's absorbing abilities versus Guardman actually absorbing abilities.
Pick one. Either I didn't address your question, or my answer was bad. You can't pick both.
Read question, read answer, then think. Is thinking too much to ask?
(Since it apparently is: And is trying to get additional opinions on which item to repair a bad thing?)
Not addressing my question is answering badly, drop the complaints and just clarify what you meant instead.
I said it DOESN'T remind me of Normalville. Read, damn it.
Touché.
Incorrect. Nice how you use the language "paint him as scum". There's a world of difference between Cyan getting role PMs and some people guessing he's absorbing abilities versus Guardman actually absorbing abilities.
But they still don't go hand in hand - Just because people combined a kill with getting a role in his inbox doesn't make Guardman's ability inherently a scum ability. Especially since it appears Guardman is telling the truth about his additional wincon.
Not addressing my question is answering badly, drop the complaints and just clarify what you meant instead.
More input on what item to take. Also gives a better way to figure out who to pass items to.
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But they still don't go hand in hand - Just because people combined a kill with getting a role in his inbox doesn't make Guardman's ability inherently a scum ability. Especially since it appears Guardman is telling the truth about his additional wincon.
To the first point, that is true.
But how would we know if Guardman is telling the truth about his wincon or not? Answer: we can't.
I can protect someone if you like. Turns out that I was an idiot and have actually my item from the beginning.
So, following on from Cyouni's post:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
OR, assuming that PoD already had the item from the start:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD protected Zind, using the Supplies she started the game with.
Night 5: PoD used the Adrenaline, got a point (3), gained another Supplies (0) and used it to protect AI.
That theory of events - using information that PoD herself told us - now explains this quote from her:
Yesterday, Cyouni said that he passed the shot of adrenaline to someone, and that he would only reveal who if that person wanted to. That person was me. I used the adrenaline last night on myself, allowing me two extra night actions.
The first I used to protect AI, as I thought that a investigating role could be a likely NK target. The second I used to get my final point to acquire my second Emergency supplies (which is the item that supplies me with a doc protect).
The bolded isn't, as Cyouni interpreted it, the second time she has acquired 3 points. It's the first.
False alarm, I think. Back to NL and then lynching AI.
Guardman is too happy. Still, something that he said in his initial claim doesn't make sense to claim if the game will end when he satisfies the soul-gathering. So I don't care.
Actually, wait a moment, I think we've got it wrong. Check this quote from D4:
So, following on from Cyouni's post:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
OR, assuming that PoD already had the item from the start:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD protected Zind, using the Supplies she started the game with.
Night 5: PoD used the Adrenaline, got a point (3), gained another Supplies (0) and used it to protect AI.
That theory of events - using information that PoD herself told us - now explains this quote from her:
The bolded isn't, as Cyouni interpreted it, the second time she has acquired 3 points. It's the first.
False alarm, I think. Back to NL and then lynching AI.
Okay. I still want an answer to my question though.
Guardman is too happy. Still, something that he said in his initial claim doesn't make sense to claim if the game will end when he satisfies the soul-gathering. So I don't care.
How do you explain how he gave an item to someone on the night someone was killed when it is implied that you cannot kill and give an item on the same night? Unless someone has a reasonable explanation for this I really have no plans to lynch him right now.
I'm not seeing tons of support for the No Lynch plan, and I'm not going to do the heavy lifting to champion it. This game needs to move forward one way or the other. Totally willing to No Lynch, but unless I see a votecount with a few folks putting there votes that way, I'd rather just hang an American and go to Night. If the game isn't over, Niv "vigs" me by passing on the Virus and I have beer and pizza while the rest of you sort this out.
I honestly don't have confidence in lynching Cyouni. I still want some answers from PoD but if she answers my questions I would support a no-lynch over Cyouni.
Cyouni is a valued member of the international community and we stand behind him completely.
I honestly don't have confidence in lynching Cyouni. I still want some answers from PoD but if she answers my questions I would support a no-lynch over Cyouni.
Cyouni is a valued member of the international community and we stand behind him completely.
Couldn't agree more. Lynching Cyouni is guaranteed to kill a townie. The only reason to do it would be to feed Guardman his third soul and I don't really feel inclined to lose someone I trust just for that.
btw that was a post action to make Cyouni unlynchable. I'm just going to confirm that it works with the mod first and then I'll vote him so it takes effect.
btw that was a post action to make Cyouni unlynchable. I'm just going to confirm that it works with the mod first and then I'll vote him so it takes effect.
Good call. Now we vote him to test it (once you confirm of course) and then we No Lynch and kill AI tomorrow.
unvote, vote Syrenz, still feel lynching for the reveal is better than nothing. Here's why:
Tomorrow we will know if AI is town, and still have his investigation ability. He will have the results from:
PoD, Cyouni, Guardman, and myself.
That leaves:
zindabad, Syrenz, Niv, and PM.
PM is neutral leaving the game soon, zindabad was investigated with the truth serum, and Niv has the Scoria Virus and can't do anything.
That leaves Syrenz as the last player with no investigation, and if we lynch him then we go into Day 8 extremely strong knowing the results of every player (assuming AI is town).
Actually, wait a moment, I think we've got it wrong. Check this quote from D4:
So, following on from Cyouni's post:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
OR, assuming that PoD already had the item from the start:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD protected Zind, using the Supplies she started the game with.
Night 5: PoD used the Adrenaline, got a point (3), gained another Supplies (0) and used it to protect AI.
That theory of events - using information that PoD herself told us - now explains this quote from her:
The bolded isn't, as Cyouni interpreted it, the second time she has acquired 3 points. It's the first.
False alarm, I think. Back to NL and then lynching AI.
This was teh "wait for a response to post more" part I was talking about. Wish PoD could have responded first.
Actually, wait a moment, I think we've got it wrong. Check this quote from D4:
So, following on from Cyouni's post:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
OR, assuming that PoD already had the item from the start:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD protected Zind, using the Supplies she started the game with.
Night 5: PoD used the Adrenaline, got a point (3), gained another Supplies (0) and used it to protect AI.
That theory of events - using information that PoD herself told us - now explains this quote from her:
The bolded isn't, as Cyouni interpreted it, the second time she has acquired 3 points. It's the first.
False alarm, I think. Back to NL and then lynching AI.
Really, Are you stupid..... IF PoD was makeing up all of this, then, Well, you just gave her an out. in the situation where here role is Bunk she'd've come up with this scenario herself. god I wish I could vote you. stop failing.....
btw that was a post action to make Cyouni unlynchable. I'm just going to confirm that it works with the mod first and then I'll vote him so it takes effect.
Vote Syrenz. this is just stupid. also, Where am I sending the Scoria Virus? AI seams the most logical, as we are lynching him tommorrow, and he hasn't had it yet.
This was before I Pm'ed Xyre asking if my supplies had been used. I don't receive flavour text on my protects, so I wasn't sure what had happened. I thought that I could have lost my ES without noticing, so I wanted to double check before I said anything about me knowing that he had been killed or not. I think that I said later that Zind wasn't the kill target, as I still had my ES.
Don't know if this is actually helpful or not, but no-one targeted Zind with a kill last night.
This either means that Zind is the last scum (a prospect which I find unlikely), AI was actually targeted with the NK (because he protected himself with his mysterious ability) or the mafia decided against an NK.
I find the second option most likely, but I thought that I should share this information with you.
That leaves Syrenz as the last player with no investigation, and if we lynch him then we go into Day 8 extremely strong knowing the results of every player (assuming AI is town).
Vote Syrenz. this is just stupid. also, Where am I sending the Scoria Virus? AI seams the most logical, as we are lynching him tommorrow, and he hasn't had it yet.
How do you explain how he gave an item to someone on the night someone was killed when it is implied that you cannot kill and give an item on the same night? Unless someone has a reasonable explanation for this I really have no plans to lynch him right now.
Also I think we need one more vote to (un)lynch Cyouni.
The answer from PoD was expected, but we have the roleblock on her. I was mistaken to say AI was investigating her, because AI is currently investigating me instead.
Should we get an investigation on PoD and pass me the Scoria Virus? The Beacon is the only item we don't know about right now, and my PDA is pretty useless at this point.
Honestly, I'm not sure that you're scum and I'm not sure you are town.
My logic tells me that lynching someone is a necessary thing to do today in order to get another reveal and move forward in the game with additional information. You just got PoE'ed from the current player base.
Cyouni Was bieng PoE'd. you just made him unlynchable. you are the next person that should be PoE'd. so you basically just said: I'd rather die than Cyouni, without really noticing what you did.
Cyouni Was bieng PoE'd. you just made him unlynchable. you are the next person that should be PoE'd. so you basically just said: I'd rather die than Cyouni, without really noticing what you did.
What garbage.
1. Cyouni was being PoE'd.
Zindabad technically could also be scum from PoE as he's an american. But he is cleared from Zionite's ability. Cyouni could be scum from PoE, but he's cleared from giving someone an item on the same night that someone was killed. Until you can explain how he would be able to do that, then he was cleared and your PoE was complete nonsense. So do you have any explanation as to how he could have done that?
2. I'm the next person that should be PoE'd.
Firstly, did me making Cyouni unlynchable suddenly clear him from being scum in your mind? Your initial reasons for thinking he's scum are still crap, but nothing has changed that should be swaying you from that thought process. So your PoE is false.
Second, what happened to MMoD's info? The reason Cyouni was originally being PoE'd was for being an American. Unless you think I had the foresight to falseclaim in advance, I am not american.
And third, once you are dropping MMoD's info you have me, Shibui, AI who are all uncleared so your PoE again is false.
So explain why I'm being PoE'd please.
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My logic tells me that lynching someone is a necessary thing to do today in order to get another reveal and move forward in the game with additional information. You just got PoE'ed from the current player base.
@Syrenz: Actually, I gave a step by step reason why you are PoE'ed, and that your lynch gives the town a good backup plane in case we're just completely off base. You being lynched means that Day 8 (if there is one) we don't have to then start discussing the potential of you being scum.
To address your points:
1) The mafia can sometimes use an ability and a kill, so that's no really a reason to clear him. PoD was roelblocked the same night as a kill, so that is clearing. Cyouni has an investigation on his side, which is part of the reason AI needs to be lynched. Once Ai is revealed town we have one or two times to nail the last scum. I feel that a reveal now makes our job easier after tomorrow if AI isn't scum.
2) Cyouni is not cleared by you making him unlynchable, you just made it so we couldn't lynch him today.
MMoD's info is great except Guardman needs to be alive when AI dies (that's the entire plan), AI is being lynched when he's indoctrinated, and zindabad isn't cleared by AI but by a revealed townie.
We're not lynching AI today, and I'm not going to vote for myself - your final three makes the choice easy.
We're starting to get into a dangerous position, and I feel pretty certain that Guardman is not scum, so that leads me to think my ability will be safe in his hands. I need to die to allay fears of me being the last mafia member, so that's fine, I die tomorrow. But don't actually think there is a need to kill someone different today with this plan. We should be delaying Lylo as much as possible, IMO, and the best way to do that is by NL.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Voting for Syrenz is not a good plan. The pardoner role is broken on scum to begin with, and though he's made questionable calls with the ability I don't see anything particularly scummy about his choices. Ridiculous.
Guardman's reaction is completely poor. The current plan calls for him to indoctrinate AI, and then we lynch AI, which would satisfy the soul-gathering win con. Really not seeing Guardman's motivation for being so petty. We may need to rethink Guardman, actually.
Zindabad, why did we need to confirm Syrenz's ability? We've seen it before.
Voting for Syrenz is not a good plan. The pardoner role is broken on scum to begin with, and though he's made questionable calls with the ability I don't see anything particularly scummy about his choices. Ridiculous.
Guardman's reaction is completely poor. The current plan calls for him to indoctrinate AI, and then we lynch AI, which would satisfy the soul-gathering win con. Really not seeing Guardman's motivation for being so petty. We may need to rethink Guardman, actually.
Zindabad, why did we need to confirm Syrenz's ability? We've seen it before.
Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
Just to know it's a multi-use thing, which hadn't been tested previously.
Voting for Syrenz is not a good plan. The pardoner role is broken on scum to begin with, and though he's made questionable calls with the ability I don't see anything particularly scummy about his choices. Ridiculous.
Guardman's reaction is completely poor. The current plan calls for him to indoctrinate AI, and then we lynch AI, which would satisfy the soul-gathering win con. Really not seeing Guardman's motivation for being so petty. We may need to rethink Guardman, actually.
Zindabad, why did we need to confirm Syrenz's ability? We've seen it before.
Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
My reasoning is simple:
1. Don't like no lynches.
2. Syrenz has repeatedly hampered not only my interests, but the town's interests with the people he has made unlynchable over the days.
3. If he is not scum, at the very least he is not working towards the town's interests. I mean so far he has screwed with the town more than I have... and that's saying something.
*sigh*
...question not directed at you, duder. Trying to measure a reaction a look for questionable phrasing.
A combination of wanting to fulfill my win condition, believing he is the most likely American to have killed mmod, and wanting to point out in a fearmongering way that he is a FEARMONGER!!!
Otherwise, I continue to see NL as the best option.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I'm getting around to it, rest assured.
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And to 'excuse my night actions'? **** no. I stand behind my choice of the shotgun, if you haven't noticed because you weren't reading.
Wow. Really? According to this, I have not said why I was for the mass-claim. Especially when you read and ignored my answer, using it for something completely different.
If you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't), what I said was in response to you asking why I supported the mass-claim. Obviously they have nothing to do with each other.
**** no, I'm not going to just lay down and let shibui (whose arguments are just plain ridiculous) and Guardman (who just wants to get three souls no matter what) push my lynch based on crap arguments.
As it stands, you are still just complaining about me drawing what you feel is a wrong conclusion from what you said but have not attempted to clarify what you meant.
Who do you think is scum again?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Other than the fact that it's sitting in the place where an answer to your question (of why I was for the mass claim) should be? Does that mean nothing to you?
Other than the fact that I've been repeating that the quote's my answer? Does that also mean nothing?
I've got no problem with being PoEd. What I do have a problem with is people using crap arguments and not bothering to listen to the answers.
Aaanyways. If MMoD's info can be trusted (which I'm starting to feel that it cannot) it's probably AI. If it's AI, and there's more than one scum left, then I'd look among the people AI cleared. I'd personally say Guardman, as the main reason he's cleared of his behaviour is because of AI. If it's not AI, I'm not sure who it'd be.
If it can't be trusted, I really can't be sure. I'd say shibui, but I haven't got the odd feeling I got in response to him when he was scum in Normalville.
Hold on. Just remembered something.
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PoD, exactly how does your 'points system' work? Please go into as much detail as possible without PM quoting, and PM Xyre if necessary to make sure it's allowed. Please make sure to fully detail the section about how the points relate to the item, and what happens to the points after you get the item. Also detail how the points relate to your flavour.
What did you notice over here and what did you find? (unless you already posted it)
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It was something like that.
Repeating yourself does not constitute elaboration.
In Normalville I stuck my neck out to try and keep my other scum buddies alive, and still no one attacked me outside of Seppel (who was still jumping player to player at that point) and AI (who vigged me). This is now the second time you have referenced Normalville, and this will be the second time you didn't actually use a meta argument.
(5 to lynch)
Shibui - 1 (AlphaInsidious)
Cyouni - 3 (Guardman, Niv, shibui)
No Lynch - 1 (zindabad)
This is probably inaccurate, since I did it in thirty seconds to get it off my plate. If I missed a vote, let me know.
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Guardman has not been scummy, has a role that is hard to see on scum, and I find is Very Behavioraly cleared.
We've already come to the group consensus as to the fact that the last scum "may" be investigation immune, and yet most players have agreed that the likelihood that Guardman is scum is slim to none. Why is it that you think that if AI is scum, that Guardman is the most likely scum with him, if there is a second scum?
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How do you explain how he gave an item to someone on the night someone was killed when it is implied that you cannot kill and give an item on the same night? Unless someone has a reasonable explanation for this I really have no plans to lynch him right now.
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It just feels so very odd. Felt almost like what Cyan was accused of being (an absorbing SK). But anyways, I've found someone better. So nevermind on Guardman.
Heh. I knew it. Now. Let's see...
Can't believe I didn't notice this earlier.
Claimed actions:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
As you can see, it's clearly impossible. First, two actions cannot be used in one period (day/night). Since PoD has to send a PM to Xyre, it's impossible for the point-gathering ability to be passive. Regardless, the Night 5 actions are impossible. It is impossible for her to have gained the three points necessary to get the Emergency Supplies in one night. Furthermore, since she claimed to have used the Adrenaline that night, we can also confirm that the point-gathering ability is active, otherwise there'd be no point to using the item.
Vote Penguin of Death
Oh, by the way, that means there are two scum left.
I was thinking that this would explain how she used emergency supplies again
in that she keeps her supplies if the person was not targeted with a kill but that wouldn't actually explain this:
where she insinuates that Zinda might have been the kill target which she would know that he wasn't if her supplies weren't used up.
@PoD:Why did you insinuate that Zindabad could have been the kill target when you should know from the fact that you either had or no longer had the supplies?
Also want answers to Cyouni's questions.
Not putting on my votes yet so she doesn't get quicklynched.
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Yeah, that's the killer for me. Also how she failed to protect Calvin on either N4 or N5 when he was the obvious choice (I attributed this to noobness, but on reflection, PoD played in Basic #9 and knows about the positive interaction that a watcher and a doc provide.)
She still isn't the one doing the kills, though, as we know from DM's block on her. Meaning her partner is an American. My money is still on AI.
I'll vote PoD pending her response.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Quit griping about how unjust me pressing you is, and do something about it.
Opinion on what?
You didn't ask for an opinion, you didn't even asked a question. You lobbed the second meta reference to Normalville with ☺☺☺☺ all to back it up.
You said "this reminds me of Normalville" without citing a behavior. I then say "This is what happened in Normalville". You respond with "Notice how he didn't actually give an opinion". That exchange makes no sense, and it's entirely on your end.
Either start clarifying something, or stop *****ing about me continuing to hound you.
You do realize you are trying to paint Guardman as scum solely on gaming the mod someone did about Cyan getting the role PMs of the people he killed?
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The case on PoD is really strong, and I will wait for a response before posting more.
UnVote Cyouni to prevent any strange Extra vote related Cyouni strangelynching.
Willing to vote PoD at any time we're clear. I'd also like AI to check in one more time before we lynch.
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Read question, read answer, then think. Is thinking too much to ask?
(Since it apparently is: And is trying to get additional opinions on which item to repair a bad thing?)
I said it DOESN'T remind me of Normalville. Read, damn it.
Incorrect. Nice how you use the language "paint him as scum". There's a world of difference between Cyan getting role PMs and some people guessing he's absorbing abilities versus Guardman actually absorbing abilities.
Touché.
But they still don't go hand in hand - Just because people combined a kill with getting a role in his inbox doesn't make Guardman's ability inherently a scum ability. Especially since it appears Guardman is telling the truth about his additional wincon.
To the first point, that is true.
But how would we know if Guardman is telling the truth about his wincon or not? Answer: we can't.
So, following on from Cyouni's post:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD got a point (3), got Emergency Supplies (0), and protected Zind. Note how that's two night actions.
Night 5: PoD protected AI, and got a point (1), getting another Emergency Supplies.
OR, assuming that PoD already had the item from the start:
Night 1: PoD got a point. (1)
Night 2: PoD got a point. (2)
Night 3: PoD was blocked.
Night 4: PoD protected Zind, using the Supplies she started the game with.
Night 5: PoD used the Adrenaline, got a point (3), gained another Supplies (0) and used it to protect AI.
That theory of events - using information that PoD herself told us - now explains this quote from her:
The bolded isn't, as Cyouni interpreted it, the second time she has acquired 3 points. It's the first.
False alarm, I think. Back to NL and then lynching AI.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Vote: Cyouni
Okay. I still want an answer to my question though.
What changed?
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I still want an answer to this
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I'm not seeing tons of support for the No Lynch plan, and I'm not going to do the heavy lifting to champion it. This game needs to move forward one way or the other. Totally willing to No Lynch, but unless I see a votecount with a few folks putting there votes that way, I'd rather just hang an American and go to Night. If the game isn't over, Niv "vigs" me by passing on the Virus and I have beer and pizza while the rest of you sort this out.
Cyouni is a valued member of the international community and we stand behind him completely.
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Couldn't agree more. Lynching Cyouni is guaranteed to kill a townie. The only reason to do it would be to feed Guardman his third soul and I don't really feel inclined to lose someone I trust just for that.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
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Good call. Now we vote him to test it (once you confirm of course) and then we No Lynch and kill AI tomorrow.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Tomorrow we will know if AI is town, and still have his investigation ability. He will have the results from:
PoD, Cyouni, Guardman, and myself.
That leaves:
zindabad, Syrenz, Niv, and PM.
PM is neutral leaving the game soon, zindabad was investigated with the truth serum, and Niv has the Scoria Virus and can't do anything.
That leaves Syrenz as the last player with no investigation, and if we lynch him then we go into Day 8 extremely strong knowing the results of every player (assuming AI is town).
This was teh "wait for a response to post more" part I was talking about. Wish PoD could have responded first.
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Really, Are you stupid..... IF PoD was makeing up all of this, then, Well, you just gave her an out. in the situation where here role is Bunk she'd've come up with this scenario herself. god I wish I could vote you. stop failing.....
Vote Syrenz. this is just stupid. also, Where am I sending the Scoria Virus? AI seams the most logical, as we are lynching him tommorrow, and he hasn't had it yet.
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Apparently you did.
Okay then.
Do you think I'm scum?
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Do you want to answer this?
Also I think we need one more vote to (un)lynch Cyouni.
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Should we get an investigation on PoD and pass me the Scoria Virus? The Beacon is the only item we don't know about right now, and my PDA is pretty useless at this point.
Honestly, I'm not sure that you're scum and I'm not sure you are town.
My logic tells me that lynching someone is a necessary thing to do today in order to get another reveal and move forward in the game with additional information. You just got PoE'ed from the current player base.
Cyouni Was bieng PoE'd. you just made him unlynchable. you are the next person that should be PoE'd. so you basically just said: I'd rather die than Cyouni, without really noticing what you did.
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What garbage.
1. Cyouni was being PoE'd.
Zindabad technically could also be scum from PoE as he's an american. But he is cleared from Zionite's ability. Cyouni could be scum from PoE, but he's cleared from giving someone an item on the same night that someone was killed. Until you can explain how he would be able to do that, then he was cleared and your PoE was complete nonsense. So do you have any explanation as to how he could have done that?
2. I'm the next person that should be PoE'd.
Firstly, did me making Cyouni unlynchable suddenly clear him from being scum in your mind? Your initial reasons for thinking he's scum are still crap, but nothing has changed that should be swaying you from that thought process. So your PoE is false.
Second, what happened to MMoD's info? The reason Cyouni was originally being PoE'd was for being an American. Unless you think I had the foresight to falseclaim in advance, I am not american.
And third, once you are dropping MMoD's info you have me, Shibui, AI who are all uncleared so your PoE again is false.
So explain why I'm being PoE'd please.
See above.
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Unvote Cyouni
Vote Syrenz
Why?
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You have continued to impede my collecting of souls for my glorious overlords.
Yes I am that petty.
@AI: Are you going to post here soon?
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To address your points:
1) The mafia can sometimes use an ability and a kill, so that's no really a reason to clear him. PoD was roelblocked the same night as a kill, so that is clearing. Cyouni has an investigation on his side, which is part of the reason AI needs to be lynched. Once Ai is revealed town we have one or two times to nail the last scum. I feel that a reveal now makes our job easier after tomorrow if AI isn't scum.
2) Cyouni is not cleared by you making him unlynchable, you just made it so we couldn't lynch him today.
MMoD's info is great except Guardman needs to be alive when AI dies (that's the entire plan), AI is being lynched when he's indoctrinated, and zindabad isn't cleared by AI but by a revealed townie.
We're not lynching AI today, and I'm not going to vote for myself - your final three makes the choice easy.
I actually think No Lynch is the right move.
We're starting to get into a dangerous position, and I feel pretty certain that Guardman is not scum, so that leads me to think my ability will be safe in his hands. I need to die to allay fears of me being the last mafia member, so that's fine, I die tomorrow. But don't actually think there is a need to kill someone different today with this plan. We should be delaying Lylo as much as possible, IMO, and the best way to do that is by NL.
Not willing to vote Syrenz.
Willing to go No Lynch. Vote No Lynch
Also quite willing to follow DM's advice from the blog.
Guardman's reaction is completely poor. The current plan calls for him to indoctrinate AI, and then we lynch AI, which would satisfy the soul-gathering win con. Really not seeing Guardman's motivation for being so petty. We may need to rethink Guardman, actually.
Zindabad, why did we need to confirm Syrenz's ability? We've seen it before.
Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
Just to know it's a multi-use thing, which hadn't been tested previously.
@Niv: The irony of your posts is not lost on me.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
My reasoning is simple:
1. Don't like no lynches.
2. Syrenz has repeatedly hampered not only my interests, but the town's interests with the people he has made unlynchable over the days.
3. If he is not scum, at the very least he is not working towards the town's interests. I mean so far he has screwed with the town more than I have... and that's saying something.