Right now I see it as him delaying, if he doesn't stop right now I will not use my ability at all. It is in the good of the town that he flavor claims as soon as he sees this.
And trust me, i'm not kidding. If you don't flavor claim immediatley I will not use my ability and I'll just die tonight. do you're reasons for not wanting to flavor claim outweigh this?
And you wonder why people consider your actions scummy...
Unless you forget, I've already said everything that was in my PM excepting my name and guild. (well, if I reveal one, the other's obvious.) Do you really need those for what you're doing?
I don't see why you don't want to add flavor cyouni, you did in fact claim your role for no reason.
You seem to forget. joboman finds it hard to believe that the town has both a role-cop and a cop. I do as well. Ergo, counterclaim.
And you wonder why people consider your actions scummy...
Unless you forget, I've already said everything that was in my PM excepting my name and guild. (well, if I reveal one, the other's obvious.) Do you really need those for what you're doing?
You seem to forget. joboman finds it hard to believe that the town has both a role-cop and a cop. I do as well. Ergo, counterclaim.
I really need you to blatantly full claim. State you're guild. State how you win. State why you need the guildpact to survive. State why you're flavor makes you a Cop. Do those immediatley.
You seem to forget. joboman finds it hard to believe that the town has both a role-cop and a cop. I do as well. Ergo, counterclaim.
So you consider this a counterclaim but no vote? If your calling counterclaim I'm inclined to move my vote. I've said before I've seen role cop a scum role.
So you consider this a counterclaim but no vote? If your calling counterclaim I'm inclined to move my vote. I've said before I've seen role cop a scum role.
This is blatant bandwaggoning.
Just because you've seen role cop as a scum role in NO WAY indicates that its a scum role now. Thats REALLY bad logic. Maybe if out of 50 games, 50 of the role cops were scum, THEN you would make sense, but not 1.
Oh, and cyouni. COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER MY MAIN POINT. seriously, this is just getting rediculous. Role claim within an hour or else I'm not using my role tonight
if there is a counterclaim than we better get it figured out. for what I can tell joboman has fallen right off his rocker. get this ☺☺☺☺ing claim over with and let's move on
Cyouni obviously doesn't want me to use my ability. He could easily solve this with a full claim, but he doesn't. I believe him to be a vanilla scum, and here's why:
1. He has OBVIOUSLY ignored my arguments. After putting them in all caps, he is refusing to respond to relevant points I make, and just not answering them. This is scummy.
2. He claims under no pressure. He does this to make him seem like cop, except WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT HE IS COP. I don't know why we believe this, because I will likely be night-kiilled/whatever tonight, I won't be able to share my results.
3. He has refused to do something as simple as flavor claim, for no good reasons.
4. He has been stalling for quite some time.
5. When he heard about how I would not use my ability after an hour, he promptly decided to go away for the afternoon. He doesn't want me using my ability. Since I am town, the only people not wanting me to use my ability are scum.
6. He is scum.
does ANYBODY agree that he is acting scummy? Please, I hope i'm not crazy.
I really need you to blatantly full claim. State you're guild. State how you win. State why you need the guildpact to survive. State why you're flavor makes you a Cop. Do those immediatley.
OK cyouni you are starting to stall here. joboman has me starting to believe. Time to clear this up. unvote for the time being. Things are getting clouded. A look back a cyouni looks to be in order.
Cyouni obviously doesn't want me to use my ability. He could easily solve this with a full claim, but he doesn't. I believe him to be a vanilla scum, and here's why:
1. He has OBVIOUSLY ignored my arguments. After putting them in all caps, he is refusing to respond to relevant points I make, and just not answering them. This is scummy.
2. He claims under no pressure. He does this to make him seem like cop, except WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT HE IS COP. I don't know why we believe this, because I will likely be night-kiilled/whatever tonight, I won't be able to share my results.
3. He has refused to do something as simple as flavor claim, for no good reasons.
4. He has been stalling for quite some time.
5. When he heard about how I would not use my ability after an hour, he promptly decided to go away for the afternoon. He doesn't want me using my ability. Since I am town, the only people not wanting me to use my ability are scum.
6. He is scum.
does ANYBODY agree that he is acting scummy? Please, I hope i'm not crazy.
the reasoning behind this is pretty good, though I find that it would be rather stupid for him to offer up his rolecop ability AFTER you had claimed. makes your counter claim on him rather. Joboman I'm going to have to say that you are the one who had throwen an ability out there and he came forward with the same. so, vote joboman
Wait cyouni is just a doc correct? jobo claims role cop. I've been thinking jobo to be neutral, but lets get it straight.They're not claiming the same.
the reasoning behind this is pretty good, though I find that it would be rather stupid for him to offer up his rolecop ability AFTER you had claimed. makes your counter claim on him rather. Joboman I'm going to have to say that you are the one who had throwen an ability out there and he came forward with the same. so, vote joboman
What. (I edited with bolds)
He never claimed role-cop. He claimed cop. I didn't "throw my ability out there", I was at L-1 being forced to claim by SOMEBODY (hint, its you.), and He did not come foward with the same. He said he was cop.
This is wierd because you say that my reasoning is good, then you just say a bunch of facts that are just incorrect (no opinions involved, he never claimed cop), and then you voted me. This is wiered.
Or it could be that I had to go out for a meeting and just got back. Especially since I was already late. People have lives, you know. They can't sit around all day pressing Refresh.
This is just a blatant excuse to not use your claimed ability so that you can't be called out on how you're not using it on a uncounterclaimed cop. Unvote, vote joboman.
You have consistently been unable to answer this question:
Why would scum throw out a counterclaim when that would guarantee that they would be lynched?
You have also been unable to answer this question:
Why would you not use your ability on me? This would either confirm that I was a cop or that I was scum.
Anyways, to post the thing I was halfway through writing when I was forced to go. Oh, and you claimed role-cop, then I counter-claimed cop. Get the order right. Especially since you yourself have said that you find it hard to believe that both a role-cop and a cop are on the side of the town.
I am Razia, Boros Archangel. When the Guildpact was originally crafted, I knew that it couldn't last forever, Ravnica being corrupt as it is. My goal is to 'remove' the ones who are deceiving us and return order to Ravnica. The only reason I could find for me being cop is something about "keen eye and sharp ear" before it tells me that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth. Here it may suggest that one of the guilds that we might think is "good" is scum, as it states the truth may be unbearable.
Aaaand that's it. Note how that's far longer than the two lines joboman is pretending is all of his flavour.
If anyone noticed, I called the Boros the cop earlier when I was speculating on roles. HINT HINT I WONDER WHY. COULDN'T BE A BREADCRUMB NOW COULD IT.
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1. He has OBVIOUSLY ignored my arguments. After putting them in all caps, he is refusing to respond to relevant points I make, and just not answering them. This is scummy.
You have given no relevant points. You've just gone "claim or I'm going to throw suspicion on you". You've also gone "claim or I'm not going to use my ability". Obviously town. (Sarcasm since some people can't tell.)
2. He claims under no pressure. He does this to make him seem like cop, except WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT HE IS COP. I don't know why we believe this, because I will likely be night-kiilled/whatever tonight, I won't be able to share my results.
HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A COUNTERCLAIM? YOU ARE IGNORING A DAMN COUNTERCLAIM AND PRETENDING THAT I'M CLAIMING UNDER NO PRESSURE. SERIOUSLY.
Note how it's in all caps.
3. He has refused to do something as simple as flavor claim, for no good reasons.
OMG YOU SAY IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON THEREFORE IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON OMG OMG OMG. You are not the be-all end-all. Get used to it.
4. He has been stalling for quite some time.
Nice misrep. You have consistently refused to give a reason as to why a claim is necessary, instead going "OMG I'LL CALL YOU SCUM IF YOU DON'T CLAIM AND I WON'T USE MY ABILITY THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM".
5. When he heard about how I would not use my ability after an hour, he promptly decided to go away for the afternoon. He doesn't want me using my ability. Since I am town, the only people not wanting me to use my ability are scum.
You ever heard of a life? No?
And I seriously doubt you are town as you have stated. "I AM TOWN THEREFORE HE IS SCUM." Nice...
6. He is scum.
You are scum, therefore you are scum. OMG SUCH A GOOD ARGUMENT. (Note the obvious sarcasm in a lot of these.)
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So let's recap.
1. You have given no good points.
2. You have consistently acted in an anti-town manner.
3. You have claimed an anti-town role, and there is a cop counterclaiming your claim that you're on the town side.
4. You're trying to lynch an uncounterclaimed cop.
5. You have fished for information, giving a supposed plan that no one knows.
6. You have refused to claim abilities when you were under suspicion until I gave my plan, yet you refuse to do the same when our positions are reversed (except I'm not under suspicion). This is a double standard, and scummy.
7. You have been unable to give reasons why I would be scum, and yet push for information.
8. You have consistently misrepresented my statements in a scummy way, and have ignored my responses.
9. You have tried to state that you will not use your mimic ability on an uncountered cop, when doing so would prove him either a cop or scum. Furthermore, you imposed an unrealistic deadline in order to give a reason as to why you wouldn't do so.
joboman is scum, with a possible partner of lucknorris. Lucknorris's behaviour towards joboman remind me of myself in Basic #10 when I felt I was going to be lynched. I made a bad attack on Gigas in order to try to have him cleared the next day based on WIFOM.
I see that I came off a little erratic to clarify, joboman was pushed to a claim, mimic rolecop, then cyouni comes out stating he is cop. Why would there be 2 cops on the town side, it's unlikely. also cyouni was not in a pressure postion when he made his claim, it screams set up. Joboman has been all over the place the entire game, since replace. then he freaked out on a flavor claim. BUT upmost, you never take your ability that would be stupid useful for the town and threaten to help the scum. ☺☺☺☺ that! lynch him. I agree with cyouni along with ravus.
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This is just a blatant excuse to not use your claimed ability so that you can't be called out on how you're not using it on a uncounterclaimed cop. Unvote, vote joboman.
Because you've given a reasonable answer I will be using it tonight, unovte.
You have consistently been unable to answer this question:
Why would scum throw out a counterclaim when that would guarantee that they would be lynched?
I have answered this already. It would not garruntee you're lynch. If I got a bad investigation result from you, you could just say I was lying. If I got you as vanilla, who would believe me when there are three people against me? I will probbably get NK'd tonight, so not be able to get my results out. This also isn't a counterclaim. You're gaming the mod.
You have also been unable to answer this question:
Why would you not use your ability on me? This would either confirm that I was a cop or that I was scum.
I will use my ability on you. If you are cop, then this is how we'll confirm it.
I thought beause I'd get NK'd tonight that teh results won't matter.
Anyways, to post the thing I was halfway through writing when I was forced to go. Oh, and you claimed role-cop, then I counter-claimed cop. Get the order right. Especially since you yourself have said that you find it hard to believe that both a role-cop and a cop are on the side of the town. The thing here is that I would like you to answer this question. Why not use your ability on me?
wouldn't this confirm me?
I am Razia, Boros Archangel. When the Guildpact was originally crafted, I knew that it couldn't last forever, Ravnica being corrupt as it is. My goal is to 'remove' the ones who are deceiving us and return order to Ravnica. The only reason I could find for me being cop is something about "keen eye and sharp ear" before it tells me that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth. Here it may suggest that one of the guilds that we might think is "good" is scum, as it states the truth may be unbearable.
Ok. I believe this.
Aaaand that's it. Note how that's far longer than the two lines joboman is pretending is all of his flavour.
I actually have more flavor, you're right. This will confirm if you're cop or not... I probbably should have mentioned this earlier. If we get around to it Day 2 I'll tell you what it means.
If anyone noticed, I called the Boros the cop earlier when I was speculating on roles. HINT HINT I WONDER WHY. COULDN'T BE A BREADCRUMB NOW COULD IT.
Sorry, I missed it.
You have given no relevant points. You've just gone "claim or I'm going to throw suspicion on you". You've also gone "claim or I'm not going to use my ability". Obviously town. (Sarcasm since some people can't tell.)
I've made the point that I didn't think it was possible that the town would have strange roles like mine and clayton's, but normal ones like you'res and S_A's. I was also really annoyed and just wanted you to flavor claim already.
HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A COUNTERCLAIM? YOU ARE IGNORING A DAMN COUNTERCLAIM AND PRETENDING THAT I'M CLAIMING UNDER NO PRESSURE. SERIOUSLY.
You are not counterclaiming. you have to be seriously gaming the mod to say that we definitley can't eb on the same team.
Nice misrep. You have consistently refused to give a reason as to why a claim is necessary, instead going "OMG I'LL CALL YOU SCUM IF YOU DON'T CLAIM AND I WON'T USE MY ABILITY THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM".
You're right, this was unfair.
joboman is scum, with a possible partner of lucknorris. Lucknorris's behaviour towards joboman remind me of myself in Basic #10 when I felt I was going to be lynched. I made a bad attack on Gigas in order to try to have him cleared the next day based on WIFOM.
OMGUS.
If you feel like killing me, at least wait till tommorow when we get the results back.
In regards to flavor:
I just noticed two things you might want:
1. I cannot use mimic on one player twice
2. People would be suprised at the tools I use.
I hope the king of vagueness will understand 2. I was hoping to try to catch you with it to prove how you're not actually cop.
Sorry to say, the posting frequency in this game is really lacking. Especially from two players. Its been almost a week, so I think the mod owes it to the game to replace wamyc, and maybe gigas (he admitted he was extremely busy). Its tough for a 10 person game to have 3 people actively posting (me, cyouni and clayton.)
Alright, returning with part two (I wasn't around last night, too busy getting punched in the face and whathaveyou...), and this time I'm going prepare the post in the forum's designated area instead of MS Word:
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Whatever.
Can we lynch lucknorris, since I believe Sir_Auron's claim (for now) as long as I believe Cyouni's.
Cyouni please give you're flavor immediatley. We all have, and it would be most useful to the town if you do the same. This is important.
I think we should put lucknorris to L-2.
Unvote, Vote: Lucknorris.
I don't like this post much at all. Wanting Cyouni to give a fuller (more flavourful) claim is one thing, but for someone so otherwise scummy it seems like he just wants as much information for the other scum as possible before he dies. Furthermore, the voting bit of that post is pretty wishy-washy... as if flowing around with the preexisting suspicions to attempt to get anyone but himself lynched. But by this point, maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see. Moving on...
Following this post, Cyouni and joboman have a huge back-and-forth that only makes joboman look more and more scummy, and unless something is particularly notable, I'll leave that back-and-forth alone, and point out other things, such as this:
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Mind if I ask why? Anyway, I've been sick for the past few days so I have a lot to get caught up on. I'm going to try to read most of the thread tonight, but for now I will Vote: Joboman because I remember him acting scummy.
You show up out of nowhere, and without any real content vote for joboman because, and you state it blatantly, "you remember him acting scummy"?! That unsettles me, and if I wasn't so sure to have my vote on joboman, you might just have earned it. For now, FoS: Gigas1.
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However, now that my role is out, I believe that there is a small chance I may be killed this night.
Obviously, if we're trusting Cyouni to be the cop, I say we get the doctor to protect him (assuming there is a doc?).
Quote from joboman »
Listen. I want to trust you, so please flavor claim. I don't see why you aren't doing this.
I obviously find the rest of this post (as well as this tiny bit, obviously) pretty scummy, but I have to say, I've gotta respect the tactical sweetness of such an appeal to emotion. If you weren't already too far in the hole, this might've worked. Bad timing, though.
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Anyway, here are my first reads on people. Cyouni is town, joboman is town, and I doubt lucknoris is town. I'm not too sold on SA being scum. I'll have a more substantial post tomorrow, sorry.
After repealing that vote so quickly, now you're sure joboman is town? I'm pretty familiar with waffles, and you sir, just blatantly waffled.
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joboman=town, paranoid as ☺☺☺☺, but town
cyouni= town
ravus= town, early game convinced me pretty hardy that he is.
wamyc= town, were the hell are you?
AK= leaning town, didn't jump on the easy lynch bandwagon (me)
sir auron= nuetral, claim helped the status but could be scum RB
AE= nuetral, no real lead
Luck= nuetral, to many newb mistakes to make town.
gigas1= nuetral, lurker...weak scum case but all i got.
So, you've got no scum-read on anyone? Fence-sitting.
Then, after a few posts, I show up with part one of my return, and ☺☺☺☺ up the damned post for not having double-checked the font-☺☺☺☺.
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you're post pretty much makes at-least-accusations at everyone. Can you summarize?
Uh... if this is referring to me, that whole post was a summary of what I'd missed. What you mean by "at-least-accusations" is beyond me (maybe that I'm pointing out every little otherwise-meaningless thing about every given person, in which case yes, I'm doing that to catch scum :rollout:), but I'm sure as hell not going to go back and try to summarize that post. Or this one, for that matter. Direct questions will likely be answered, however, if you have any.
Quote from Cyouni »
It would have helped if you re-posted the information, with working font tags. The font-tag problem really seems to be common these days.
Yeah, it also would've helped if I had "gone advanced" and checked the post prior to submitting it. I could've done a few things differently, it seems.
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I'm still doubtful that there's a cop and a role-cop (+ability copier) in the same game.
And given that this game is rather small, I'd agree with you. It's just unfortunate we had to give you away in order to catch joboman (when, in my opinion, he was doing that quite nicely for himself :rolleyes:).
Then Cyouni starts appearing slightly shady, but given the circumstances (that the only real pressure on him is from joboman), not answering his questions (not answering them again, that is) doesn't bother me too much, as I could see myself getting sick of it eventually.
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So let's recap.
1. You have given no good points.
2. You have consistently acted in an anti-town manner.
3. You have claimed an anti-town role, and there is a cop counterclaiming your claim that you're on the town side.
4. You're trying to lynch an uncounterclaimed cop.
5. You have fished for information, giving a supposed plan that no one knows.
6. You have refused to claim abilities when you were under suspicion until I gave my plan, yet you refuse to do the same when our positions are reversed (except I'm not under suspicion). This is a double standard, and scummy.
7. You have been unable to give reasons why I would be scum, and yet push for information.
8. You have consistently misrepresented my statements in a scummy way, and have ignored my responses.
9. You have tried to state that you will not use your mimic ability on an uncountered cop, when doing so would prove him either a cop or scum. Furthermore, you imposed an unrealistic deadline in order to give a reason as to why you wouldn't do so.
joboman is scum, with a possible partner of lucknorris. Lucknorris's behaviour towards joboman remind me of myself in Basic #10 when I felt I was going to be lynched. I made a bad attack on Gigas in order to try to have him cleared the next day based on WIFOM.
I quite like this recap. Hopefully this elegant formatting is enough to get joboman lynched, because I'm about sick of just dealing with his scumminess. I'd like to move on.
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Umm... Am I reading correctly? Two votes on joboman when clayton, Cyouni and I are all voting him? Is this a typo on your part or should I infer that one of us doesn't count in voting for whatever reason?
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Edit: joboman, since I missed your last post before mine above, I'd say that we've got plenty of activity--much more than just "three" people are posting regularly--I had to read four or five pages (fourty posts each!) for having missed 48 hours. That's plenty of activity, I think. wamyc is being replaced, and Gigas is scummy in his lack of posting, I'll agree. Randomly calling for more activity is... confusing, to say the least.
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sorry ravus, he's acting rather scummy, but with out a false claim, lying or blatanly scumbudding I can say "he's scum". I voted didn't I? out of are options he's the best choice. scum enough for a vote.
Sorry to say, the posting frequency in this game is really lacking. Especially from two players. Its been almost a week, so I think the mod owes it to the game to replace wamyc, and maybe gigas (he admitted he was extremely busy). Its tough for a 10 person game to have 3 people actively posting (me, cyouni and clayton.)
wamyc is to be replaced. A player who previously indicated interest in replacing in has received a PM. If this player declines, a request for a replacement shall be made in the eponymous thread.
The players owe it to the mod to read when the mod makes an announcement.
Gigas1 will be replaced if he indicates that he will be unable to participate fully. This has yet to occur.
Umm... Am I reading correctly? Two votes on joboman when clayton, Cyouni and I are all voting him? Is this a typo on your part or should I infer that one of us doesn't count in voting for whatever reason?
I will talk about Ravus's post after I post this. What I just want to say is, "What is the down-side of waiting to not lynch me today, and to see Cyouni's night results?" If you're scared about him getting Roleblocked I could: Copy S_A's ability, then roleblock SA, or I could Do the original plan.
I don't like this post much at all. Wanting Cyouni to give a fuller (more flavourful) claim is one thing, but for someone so otherwise scummy it seems like he just wants as much information for the other scum as possible before he dies. Furthermore, the voting bit of that post is pretty wishy-washy... as if flowing around with the preexisting suspicions to attempt to get anyone but himself lynched. But by this point, maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see. Moving on...
You say it in you're post. You're argument doesn't really make any sense here. You and I BOTH know that it's perfectly reasonable to distrust a claim of cop out of the blue (no, its not counter-claiming because he doesn't have the same role as I do) Ravus, we were all going at LuckNorris when I brought up the subject of Cyouni's flavor.
You show up out of nowhere, and without any real content vote for joboman because, and you state it blatantly, "you remember him acting scummy"?! That unsettles me, and if I wasn't so sure to have my vote on joboman, you might just have earned it. For now, FoS: Gigas1.
I agree with this part.
Obviously, if we're trusting Cyouni to be the cop, I say we get the doctor to protect him (assuming there is a doc?).
Or maybe we have the doctor decide. Saying that teh doctor should save X makes it so the mafia will kill Y. Of course WIFOM, but we should let it be up to the doctor, and have the watcher watch the other one.
I obviously find the rest of this post (as well as this tiny bit, obviously) pretty scummy, but I have to say, I've gotta respect the tactical sweetness of such an appeal to emotion. If you weren't already too far in the hole, this might've worked. Bad timing, though.
Tactical Prowess? Really? You're just seeing things here. I truly just wanted his flavor. His flavor doesn't hurt the town (his argument makes no sense), and helps us verify his claim.
After repealing that vote so quickly, now you're sure joboman is town? I'm pretty familiar with waffles, and you sir, just blatantly waffled.
notice how even though Gigas was extremely scummy, Ravus doesn't care because he is tunnelvisioned.
And given that this game is rather small, I'd agree with you. It's just unfortunate we had to give you away in order to catch joboman (when, in my opinion, he was doing that quite nicely for himself :rolleyes:).
This is gaming the mod. Wait till tommorow to see Cyouni's investigation results. There's no harm in confirming this, but the gain is that you could not lynch a role-cop...
Then Cyouni starts appearing slightly shady, but given the circumstances (that the only real pressure on him is from joboman), not answering his questions (not answering them again, that is) doesn't bother me too much, as I could see myself getting sick of it eventually.
This is tunnelvision speak. You say Cyouni is shady. Cyouni never answered my questions (about his flavor) and the other things, where you get from that he did I have no Idea. It doesn't bother you that he purposely doesn't answer questions? It should.
I quite like this recap. Hopefully this elegant formatting is enough to get joboman lynched, because I'm about sick of just dealing with his scumminess. I'd like to move on.
As I've said before, wait until tommorow.
Seriously guys. Sorry if you think I'm scummy... Before you lynch me look at left for dead mafia. I'm incredibly bad at replacing into games, and it seems that both times it will cause my mislynch.
Not wanting to lynch jobo today. Let the cops do there thing. Vote SA pressure has gone away and so has he. Just waiting to go into night so he can create havoc with his roleblocking.
You say it in you're post. You're argument doesn't really make any sense here. You and I BOTH know that it's perfectly reasonable to distrust a claim of cop out of the blue (no, its not counter-claiming because he doesn't have the same role as I do) Ravus, we were all going at LuckNorris when I brought up the subject of Cyouni's flavor.
First: I suggest that I may be seeing from a biased perspective, but that doesn't make the possibility any less valid.
Second: His cop-claim wasn't so much "out of the blue", as it was in counter to your claim (which for all intents and purposes, Cyouni argued it was a counter-claim since it is doubtful to have both such roles in such a small game).
Third: Your attention to Lucknorris until that point had been pretty sparse.
Finally, and I can't believe no one's asked this already: Why was Cyouni's full flavour so very important to you? The only possible reason I could see was the aforementioned gathering information for your scumbuddies, as that information wouldn't really help the town at all, and gives the scum all the useful information.
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Or maybe we have the doctor decide. Saying that teh doctor should save X makes it so the mafia will kill Y. Of course WIFOM, but we should let it be up to the doctor, and have the watcher watch the other one.
Of course the doctor should decide, but even if the scum decide to go after someone other than the cop because we're having him protected, our purpose is still met: The cop didn't die. Having the cop around for more than one day seems a pretty good trade for one nightkill. He's instrumental in catching scum, whereas the person killed, although still a loss, probably isn't going to be quite as important.
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Tactical Prowess? Really? You're just seeing things here. I truly just wanted his flavor. His flavor doesn't hurt the town (his argument makes no sense), and helps us verify his claim.
Here I was trying to compliment you on good play, if a little misplaced, and you deny this insubstantial bit of potential-evidence all the same. Regardless, it's possible you didn't recognize what you were doing there, as that statement was saturated with emotional-appeal, in which case it's still not worth arguing over, but one thing is certain: You have been so adamant to get his flavour and without any good reasoning. That it "helps us verify his claim" is utter BS, as he could easily have lied about his flavour, and you wouldn't be any the wiser. Unless you're making the argument that his flavour "sounded like it fits" to you, in which case you'd have to be pretty foolhardy to believe such a simple tactic.
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notice how even though Gigas was extremely scummy, Ravus doesn't care because he is tunnelvisioned.
Tunnel-vision, you say? Because I've not been pointing out everyone else's scummy tendencies as well as your own? Did you really just say that?! I'm concentrating on you because you are by far the most scummy person. I'm making notes along the way about other people such that we have direction to take once you're lynched and out of the way. That you're trying to pass my behaviour off as "tunnel-vision" on you is a ridiculous and hilarious bit of desperate deflection on your part.
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This is gaming the mod. Wait till tommorow to see Cyouni's investigation results. There's no harm in confirming this, but the gain is that you could not lynch a role-cop...
That might have been gaming the mod, technically, but it would be insulting to the mod to think that he'd make such a completely unbalanced game as would otherwise have so many town-aligned power-roles. It's much easier and more fair to think that someone is lying about their role.
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This is tunnelvision speak. You say Cyouni is shady. Cyouni never answered my questions (about his flavor) and the other things, where you get from that he did I have no Idea. It doesn't bother you that he purposely doesn't answer questions? It should.
Cyouni eventually answered your question fully on this very page, actually. Furthermore, he never should have answered your questions: You had no pressure on him, no basis for needing his flavour, and no justification in trying to dictate terms in your position. That you weren't lynched before I was even able to make this post has to be some sort of miracle for you.
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As I've said before, wait until tommorow.
A last-ditch effort that everyone invariably makes before getting lynched. We will see tomorrow, but what we see, may not be quite what you want us to believe we'll see.
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Seriously guys. Sorry if you think I'm scummy... Before you lynch me look at left for dead mafia. I'm incredibly bad at replacing into games, and it seems that both times it will cause my mislynch.
This is baseless, and I don't feel I need to address it any further.
Let's just lynch him, already.
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Second: His cop-claim wasn't so much "out of the blue", as it was in counter to your claim (which for all intents and purposes, Cyouni argued it was a counter-claim since it is doubtful to have both such roles in such a small game).
In an ability-heavy game such as this one is, Its entireley feasible that we're both on one side. You're modgaming if you're so sure.
Third: Your attention to Lucknorris until that point had been pretty sparse.
I'd like to reference you to my first post where i say I'm most suspicous of lucknorris
Finally, and I can't believe no one's asked this already: Why was Cyouni's full flavour so very important to you? The only possible reason I could see was the aforementioned gathering information for your scumbuddies, as that information wouldn't really help the town at all, and gives the scum all the useful information.
You couldn't possibly see that maybe I was suspicous of him because he hasn't given any backup to his claim. Maybe if he gave an authentic-sounding claim then I would believe him more?
That might have been gaming the mod, technically, but it would be insulting to the mod to think that he'd make such a completely unbalanced game as would otherwise have so many town-aligned power-roles. It's much easier and more fair to think that someone is lying about their role.
Or maybe the scum has one or two power-roles?
Cyouni eventually answered your question fully on this very page, actually. Furthermore, he never should have answered your questions: You had no pressure on him, no basis for needing his flavour, and no justification in trying to dictate terms in your position. That you weren't lynched before I was even able to make this post has to be some sort of miracle for you.
A last-ditch effort that everyone invariably makes before getting lynched. We will see tomorrow, but what we see, may not be quite what you want us to believe we'll see.
... Did you not hear? I geuss I wasn't un-subtle enough. I have reason to believe that I'm a miller. Because of my experiments that I do, you know surgical tools with grafting and all that, people would get the wrong impression when they looked under my lab-coat.
Hmm... what if cyouni was naive, paranoid, or insane?
... Did you not hear? I geuss I wasn't un-subtle enough. I have reason to believe that I'm a miller. Because of my experiments that I do, you know surgical tools with grafting and all that, people would get the wrong impression when they looked under my lab-coat.
Hmm... what if cyouni was naive, paranoid, or insane?
STOP. enough of this flailing now. unvote vote jobo
In an ability-heavy game such as this one is, Its entireley feasible that we're both on one side. You're modgaming if you're so sure.
No, you're mod-gaming to be so sure that this is such an ability-heavy game. You have what, four roles exposed? One of which is most likely lied about (three guesses which :rollout:). Who's to say it hasn't just been a coincidence? Do you have some additional information to suggest that everyone here has a power-role, because if you do, I'd love to hear about it.
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You couldn't possibly see that maybe I was suspicous of him because he hasn't given any backup to his claim. Maybe if he gave an authentic-sounding claim then I would believe him more?
He backed it up as much as he needed to. Then you demanded more. In fact, you threw a bit of a tantrum that he wasn't meeting your demands, even though you had no pressure on him and no negotiating power. Honestly, why should he have answered you at all?! "Because you didn't believe his claim"? And how much information would've been enough? Even with his full claim you could've made a decent case that he was lying, if you gave it a little effort.
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Or maybe the scum has one or two power-roles?
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... Did you not hear? I geuss I wasn't un-subtle enough. I have reason to believe that I'm a miller. Because of my experiments that I do, you know surgical tools with grafting and all that, people would get the wrong impression when they looked under my lab-coat.
So now you're changing your mind about your claim? What is this?
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Hmm... what if cyouni was naive, paranoid, or insane?
We'll find out, won't we? How is that such a pressing issue?
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Flail is what I do. PLEASE read Left for dead, where the almost exact same situation happened (except I was vanilla), and what happened. Based on that game I won't be suprised if I'm lynched this one too, but please guys at least read it.
Whether or not that's true, would you have me believe that you are acting exactly the same, with the same goals, the same role, the same motivation and whathaveyou? If I believed that and unvoted you, in light of all the evidence against you, I'd be a fool.
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Yet again: For me to take for granted that everything is the same, and that you're not lying, would be foolhardy in the extreme. Such a weak argument isn't going to get me to unvote you, and I hope nobody that would be voting for you in the future is dissuaded from doing so due to this irrelevance.
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Whatever. I don't see the upside of voting me now, rather then when cop results come in.
How about this: Given the circumstances you're pretty obviously scum. If we lynch you, we will know that, and you will also be dead and out of our way, in addition to having the cop capable of investigating another. If we don't lynch you, we're leaving scum alive for an additional night, while not being guaranteed to catch scum in your place tonight (though we do have a convincing secondary target). If, by chance, you're not scum, we've made a mislynch while allowing the cop to investigate to get us on track to catch the proper scum. It would be a loss, but nobody ever got anywhere without a few calculated risks. We're taking the risk of being wrong about you, and whether or not your death was good for us or bad, we'll be on the right track tomorrow, being able to take advantage of tonight's information.
But as I'm more than convinced of your scumminess, I don't really feel this is any risk at all--we've caught scum day one.
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wow, don't be a poor sport just because people are starting to vote for you. Even though I haven't posted much, I still read everything when you had that little quarrel with Cyouni, stating not to lynch you because your want to use your ability is not going to happen. Also your claim seemed kind of... short. It was only two lines of text, which is a lot less then everyone else. Also, for all we know you could be a scum cop which is very likely. I don't believe there would be two town cops. To sum it up, Vote: Joboman.
Don't be too sore about it joboman, you look scummy, if your scum....good. if not lucknorris just whammy hammered you which pretty much tells us were he is on this whole thing
HAHAHAHA. I couldn't say before the hammer, joboman, you already nicely stated that you were going to come up town when I investigated you, and now you're saying that your a miller.
To correct my line previously, I'll probably want that after I re-check something just to make sure.
And you wonder why people consider your actions scummy...
Unless you forget, I've already said everything that was in my PM excepting my name and guild. (well, if I reveal one, the other's obvious.) Do you really need those for what you're doing?
You seem to forget. joboman finds it hard to believe that the town has both a role-cop and a cop. I do as well. Ergo, counterclaim.
I really need you to blatantly full claim. State you're guild. State how you win. State why you need the guildpact to survive. State why you're flavor makes you a Cop. Do those immediatley.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
So you consider this a counterclaim but no vote? If your calling counterclaim I'm inclined to move my vote. I've said before I've seen role cop a scum role.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This is blatant bandwaggoning.
Just because you've seen role cop as a scum role in NO WAY indicates that its a scum role now. Thats REALLY bad logic. Maybe if out of 50 games, 50 of the role cops were scum, THEN you would make sense, but not 1.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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It starts... now.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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Cyouni is scum.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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1. He has OBVIOUSLY ignored my arguments. After putting them in all caps, he is refusing to respond to relevant points I make, and just not answering them. This is scummy.
2. He claims under no pressure. He does this to make him seem like cop, except WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT HE IS COP. I don't know why we believe this, because I will likely be night-kiilled/whatever tonight, I won't be able to share my results.
3. He has refused to do something as simple as flavor claim, for no good reasons.
4. He has been stalling for quite some time.
5. When he heard about how I would not use my ability after an hour, he promptly decided to go away for the afternoon. He doesn't want me using my ability. Since I am town, the only people not wanting me to use my ability are scum.
6. He is scum.
does ANYBODY agree that he is acting scummy? Please, I hope i'm not crazy.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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OK cyouni you are starting to stall here. joboman has me starting to believe. Time to clear this up.
unvote for the time being. Things are getting clouded. A look back a cyouni looks to be in order.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
the reasoning behind this is pretty good, though I find that it would be rather stupid for him to offer up his rolecop ability AFTER you had claimed. makes your counter claim on him rather. Joboman I'm going to have to say that you are the one who had throwen an ability out there and he came forward with the same. so, vote joboman
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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What. (I edited with bolds)
He never claimed role-cop. He claimed cop. I didn't "throw my ability out there", I was at L-1 being forced to claim by SOMEBODY (hint, its you.), and He did not come foward with the same. He said he was cop.
This is wierd because you say that my reasoning is good, then you just say a bunch of facts that are just incorrect (no opinions involved, he never claimed cop), and then you voted me. This is wiered.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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This is just a blatant excuse to not use your claimed ability so that you can't be called out on how you're not using it on a uncounterclaimed cop. Unvote, vote joboman.
You have consistently been unable to answer this question:
Why would scum throw out a counterclaim when that would guarantee that they would be lynched?
You have also been unable to answer this question:
Why would you not use your ability on me? This would either confirm that I was a cop or that I was scum.
Anyways, to post the thing I was halfway through writing when I was forced to go. Oh, and you claimed role-cop, then I counter-claimed cop. Get the order right. Especially since you yourself have said that you find it hard to believe that both a role-cop and a cop are on the side of the town.
I am Razia, Boros Archangel. When the Guildpact was originally crafted, I knew that it couldn't last forever, Ravnica being corrupt as it is. My goal is to 'remove' the ones who are deceiving us and return order to Ravnica. The only reason I could find for me being cop is something about "keen eye and sharp ear" before it tells me that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth. Here it may suggest that one of the guilds that we might think is "good" is scum, as it states the truth may be unbearable.
Aaaand that's it. Note how that's far longer than the two lines joboman is pretending is all of his flavour.
If anyone noticed, I called the Boros the cop earlier when I was speculating on roles. HINT HINT I WONDER WHY. COULDN'T BE A BREADCRUMB NOW COULD IT.
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You have given no relevant points. You've just gone "claim or I'm going to throw suspicion on you". You've also gone "claim or I'm not going to use my ability". Obviously town. (Sarcasm since some people can't tell.)
HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A COUNTERCLAIM? YOU ARE IGNORING A DAMN COUNTERCLAIM AND PRETENDING THAT I'M CLAIMING UNDER NO PRESSURE. SERIOUSLY.
Note how it's in all caps.
OMG YOU SAY IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON THEREFORE IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON OMG OMG OMG. You are not the be-all end-all. Get used to it.
Nice misrep. You have consistently refused to give a reason as to why a claim is necessary, instead going "OMG I'LL CALL YOU SCUM IF YOU DON'T CLAIM AND I WON'T USE MY ABILITY THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM".
You ever heard of a life? No?
And I seriously doubt you are town as you have stated. "I AM TOWN THEREFORE HE IS SCUM." Nice...
You are scum, therefore you are scum. OMG SUCH A GOOD ARGUMENT. (Note the obvious sarcasm in a lot of these.)
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So let's recap.
1. You have given no good points.
2. You have consistently acted in an anti-town manner.
3. You have claimed an anti-town role, and there is a cop counterclaiming your claim that you're on the town side.
4. You're trying to lynch an uncounterclaimed cop.
5. You have fished for information, giving a supposed plan that no one knows.
6. You have refused to claim abilities when you were under suspicion until I gave my plan, yet you refuse to do the same when our positions are reversed (except I'm not under suspicion). This is a double standard, and scummy.
7. You have been unable to give reasons why I would be scum, and yet push for information.
8. You have consistently misrepresented my statements in a scummy way, and have ignored my responses.
9. You have tried to state that you will not use your mimic ability on an uncountered cop, when doing so would prove him either a cop or scum. Furthermore, you imposed an unrealistic deadline in order to give a reason as to why you wouldn't do so.
joboman is scum, with a possible partner of lucknorris. Lucknorris's behaviour towards joboman remind me of myself in Basic #10 when I felt I was going to be lynched. I made a bad attack on Gigas in order to try to have him cleared the next day based on WIFOM.
Q.E.D.
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Cyouni (1): joboman
Not Voting (6): Archon Kamigawa, wamyc, Lucknorris, Sir_Auron25, Gigas1, Archmage Eternal
With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch. The deadline for Day One is Wednesday, March 24th.
wamyc is to be replaced. A player who previously indicated interest in replacing in has received a PM. If this player declines, a request for a replacement shall be made in the eponymous thread.
Because you've given a reasonable answer I will be using it tonight, unovte.
I have answered this already. It would not garruntee you're lynch. If I got a bad investigation result from you, you could just say I was lying. If I got you as vanilla, who would believe me when there are three people against me? I will probbably get NK'd tonight, so not be able to get my results out. This also isn't a counterclaim. You're gaming the mod.
I will use my ability on you. If you are cop, then this is how we'll confirm it.
I thought beause I'd get NK'd tonight that teh results won't matter.
Anyways, to post the thing I was halfway through writing when I was forced to go. Oh, and you claimed role-cop, then I counter-claimed cop. Get the order right. Especially since you yourself have said that you find it hard to believe that both a role-cop and a cop are on the side of the town. The thing here is that I would like you to answer this question. Why not use your ability on me?
wouldn't this confirm me?
Ok. I believe this.
I actually have more flavor, you're right. This will confirm if you're cop or not... I probbably should have mentioned this earlier. If we get around to it Day 2 I'll tell you what it means.
Sorry, I missed it.
I've made the point that I didn't think it was possible that the town would have strange roles like mine and clayton's, but normal ones like you'res and S_A's. I was also really annoyed and just wanted you to flavor claim already.
You are not counterclaiming. you have to be seriously gaming the mod to say that we definitley can't eb on the same team.
You're right, this was unfair.
OMGUS.
If you feel like killing me, at least wait till tommorow when we get the results back.
In regards to flavor:
I just noticed two things you might want:
1. I cannot use mimic on one player twice
2. People would be suprised at the tools I use.
I hope the king of vagueness will understand 2. I was hoping to try to catch you with it to prove how you're not actually cop.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
I don't like this post much at all. Wanting Cyouni to give a fuller (more flavourful) claim is one thing, but for someone so otherwise scummy it seems like he just wants as much information for the other scum as possible before he dies. Furthermore, the voting bit of that post is pretty wishy-washy... as if flowing around with the preexisting suspicions to attempt to get anyone but himself lynched. But by this point, maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see. Moving on...
Following this post, Cyouni and joboman have a huge back-and-forth that only makes joboman look more and more scummy, and unless something is particularly notable, I'll leave that back-and-forth alone, and point out other things, such as this:
You show up out of nowhere, and without any real content vote for joboman because, and you state it blatantly, "you remember him acting scummy"?! That unsettles me, and if I wasn't so sure to have my vote on joboman, you might just have earned it. For now, FoS: Gigas1.
Obviously, if we're trusting Cyouni to be the cop, I say we get the doctor to protect him (assuming there is a doc?).
I obviously find the rest of this post (as well as this tiny bit, obviously) pretty scummy, but I have to say, I've gotta respect the tactical sweetness of such an appeal to emotion. If you weren't already too far in the hole, this might've worked. Bad timing, though.
After repealing that vote so quickly, now you're sure joboman is town? I'm pretty familiar with waffles, and you sir, just blatantly waffled.
So, you've got no scum-read on anyone? Fence-sitting.
Then, after a few posts, I show up with part one of my return, and ☺☺☺☺ up the damned post for not having double-checked the font-☺☺☺☺.
Uh... if this is referring to me, that whole post was a summary of what I'd missed. What you mean by "at-least-accusations" is beyond me (maybe that I'm pointing out every little otherwise-meaningless thing about every given person, in which case yes, I'm doing that to catch scum :rollout:), but I'm sure as hell not going to go back and try to summarize that post. Or this one, for that matter. Direct questions will likely be answered, however, if you have any.
Yeah, it also would've helped if I had "gone advanced" and checked the post prior to submitting it. I could've done a few things differently, it seems.
And given that this game is rather small, I'd agree with you. It's just unfortunate we had to give you away in order to catch joboman (when, in my opinion, he was doing that quite nicely for himself :rolleyes:).
Then Cyouni starts appearing slightly shady, but given the circumstances (that the only real pressure on him is from joboman), not answering his questions (not answering them again, that is) doesn't bother me too much, as I could see myself getting sick of it eventually.
I quite like this recap. Hopefully this elegant formatting is enough to get joboman lynched, because I'm about sick of just dealing with his scumminess. I'd like to move on.
Umm... Am I reading correctly? Two votes on joboman when clayton, Cyouni and I are all voting him? Is this a typo on your part or should I infer that one of us doesn't count in voting for whatever reason?
The players owe it to the mod to read when the mod makes an announcement.
Gigas1 will be replaced if he indicates that he will be unable to participate fully. This has yet to occur.
The mod's mistake. The error has been remedied.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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You say it in you're post. You're argument doesn't really make any sense here. You and I BOTH know that it's perfectly reasonable to distrust a claim of cop out of the blue (no, its not counter-claiming because he doesn't have the same role as I do) Ravus, we were all going at LuckNorris when I brought up the subject of Cyouni's flavor.
I agree with this part.
Or maybe we have the doctor decide. Saying that teh doctor should save X makes it so the mafia will kill Y. Of course WIFOM, but we should let it be up to the doctor, and have the watcher watch the other one.
Tactical Prowess? Really? You're just seeing things here. I truly just wanted his flavor. His flavor doesn't hurt the town (his argument makes no sense), and helps us verify his claim.
notice how even though Gigas was extremely scummy, Ravus doesn't care because he is tunnelvisioned.
This is gaming the mod. Wait till tommorow to see Cyouni's investigation results. There's no harm in confirming this, but the gain is that you could not lynch a role-cop...
This is tunnelvision speak. You say Cyouni is shady. Cyouni never answered my questions (about his flavor) and the other things, where you get from that he did I have no Idea. It doesn't bother you that he purposely doesn't answer questions? It should.
As I've said before, wait until tommorow.
Seriously guys. Sorry if you think I'm scummy... Before you lynch me look at left for dead mafia. I'm incredibly bad at replacing into games, and it seems that both times it will cause my mislynch.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Did you explain this?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Do I need to?
What will pressure do to S_A? He's already claimed...
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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First: I suggest that I may be seeing from a biased perspective, but that doesn't make the possibility any less valid.
Second: His cop-claim wasn't so much "out of the blue", as it was in counter to your claim (which for all intents and purposes, Cyouni argued it was a counter-claim since it is doubtful to have both such roles in such a small game).
Third: Your attention to Lucknorris until that point had been pretty sparse.
Finally, and I can't believe no one's asked this already: Why was Cyouni's full flavour so very important to you? The only possible reason I could see was the aforementioned gathering information for your scumbuddies, as that information wouldn't really help the town at all, and gives the scum all the useful information.
Of course the doctor should decide, but even if the scum decide to go after someone other than the cop because we're having him protected, our purpose is still met: The cop didn't die. Having the cop around for more than one day seems a pretty good trade for one nightkill. He's instrumental in catching scum, whereas the person killed, although still a loss, probably isn't going to be quite as important.
Here I was trying to compliment you on good play, if a little misplaced, and you deny this insubstantial bit of potential-evidence all the same. Regardless, it's possible you didn't recognize what you were doing there, as that statement was saturated with emotional-appeal, in which case it's still not worth arguing over, but one thing is certain: You have been so adamant to get his flavour and without any good reasoning. That it "helps us verify his claim" is utter BS, as he could easily have lied about his flavour, and you wouldn't be any the wiser. Unless you're making the argument that his flavour "sounded like it fits" to you, in which case you'd have to be pretty foolhardy to believe such a simple tactic.
Tunnel-vision, you say? Because I've not been pointing out everyone else's scummy tendencies as well as your own? Did you really just say that?! I'm concentrating on you because you are by far the most scummy person. I'm making notes along the way about other people such that we have direction to take once you're lynched and out of the way. That you're trying to pass my behaviour off as "tunnel-vision" on you is a ridiculous and hilarious bit of desperate deflection on your part.
That might have been gaming the mod, technically, but it would be insulting to the mod to think that he'd make such a completely unbalanced game as would otherwise have so many town-aligned power-roles. It's much easier and more fair to think that someone is lying about their role.
Cyouni eventually answered your question fully on this very page, actually. Furthermore, he never should have answered your questions: You had no pressure on him, no basis for needing his flavour, and no justification in trying to dictate terms in your position. That you weren't lynched before I was even able to make this post has to be some sort of miracle for you.
A last-ditch effort that everyone invariably makes before getting lynched. We will see tomorrow, but what we see, may not be quite what you want us to believe we'll see.
This is baseless, and I don't feel I need to address it any further.
Let's just lynch him, already.
Who said anything about pressure?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
In an ability-heavy game such as this one is, Its entireley feasible that we're both on one side. You're modgaming if you're so sure.
I'd like to reference you to my first post where i say I'm most suspicous of lucknorris
You couldn't possibly see that maybe I was suspicous of him because he hasn't given any backup to his claim. Maybe if he gave an authentic-sounding claim then I would believe him more?
Or maybe the scum has one or two power-roles?
Cyouni eventually answered your question fully on this very page, actually. Furthermore, he never should have answered your questions: You had no pressure on him, no basis for needing his flavour, and no justification in trying to dictate terms in your position. That you weren't lynched before I was even able to make this post has to be some sort of miracle for you.
... Did you not hear? I geuss I wasn't un-subtle enough. I have reason to believe that I'm a miller. Because of my experiments that I do, you know surgical tools with grafting and all that, people would get the wrong impression when they looked under my lab-coat.
Hmm... what if cyouni was naive, paranoid, or insane?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
STOP. enough of this flailing now.
unvote
vote jobo
They hate us cause they ain't us.
No, you're mod-gaming to be so sure that this is such an ability-heavy game. You have what, four roles exposed? One of which is most likely lied about (three guesses which :rollout:). Who's to say it hasn't just been a coincidence? Do you have some additional information to suggest that everyone here has a power-role, because if you do, I'd love to hear about it.
He backed it up as much as he needed to. Then you demanded more. In fact, you threw a bit of a tantrum that he wasn't meeting your demands, even though you had no pressure on him and no negotiating power. Honestly, why should he have answered you at all?! "Because you didn't believe his claim"? And how much information would've been enough? Even with his full claim you could've made a decent case that he was lying, if you gave it a little effort.
So now you're changing your mind about your claim? What is this?
We'll find out, won't we? How is that such a pressing issue?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Except that the same events happened there and here.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Yet again: For me to take for granted that everything is the same, and that you're not lying, would be foolhardy in the extreme. Such a weak argument isn't going to get me to unvote you, and I hope nobody that would be voting for you in the future is dissuaded from doing so due to this irrelevance.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
How about this: Given the circumstances you're pretty obviously scum. If we lynch you, we will know that, and you will also be dead and out of our way, in addition to having the cop capable of investigating another. If we don't lynch you, we're leaving scum alive for an additional night, while not being guaranteed to catch scum in your place tonight (though we do have a convincing secondary target). If, by chance, you're not scum, we've made a mislynch while allowing the cop to investigate to get us on track to catch the proper scum. It would be a loss, but nobody ever got anywhere without a few calculated risks. We're taking the risk of being wrong about you, and whether or not your death was good for us or bad, we'll be on the right track tomorrow, being able to take advantage of tonight's information.
But as I'm more than convinced of your scumminess, I don't really feel this is any risk at all--we've caught scum day one.
With that little "I might be a miller thing" cmon. That just sealed it for me.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Unvote, Vote: Joboman
Can we have a votecount?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
wow, don't be a poor sport just because people are starting to vote for you. Even though I haven't posted much, I still read everything when you had that little quarrel with Cyouni, stating not to lynch you because your want to use your ability is not going to happen. Also your claim seemed kind of... short. It was only two lines of text, which is a lot less then everyone else. Also, for all we know you could be a scum cop which is very likely. I don't believe there would be two town cops. To sum it up, Vote: Joboman.
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
To correct my line previously, I'll probably want that after I re-check something just to make sure.
If you're town (which I highly doubt), do us the favour of giving us as much information as possible before you die.