Yeah, that hardly inspires confidence. moobwap Zindabad
...but fear itself.
Do you fear death, Skander? Do you fear that dark abyss? All your deeds laid bare, all your lies punished?
Rihannanalannon, what makes you doubt my pure heart? Or is it mere lack of confidence in my scumhunting ability (or perhaps my sanity?) that lead you to suspect my intentions?
Upon review, the venerable ced395 appears more townie to me, and I must query Johnm as to why he would think the "perfect claim" would consist of someone who is "probably town, but could always be scum." Would it not be more perfect for one's fakeclaim to always appear town? But that is mere semantics and should by no means be interpreted as a raised eyebrow of suspicion in your direction, good sir.
No Zindabad, what I fear is your sudden roleplaying (or at the very least, a decidedly different tone than your normal one) which has cropped up only now.
I fear your low presence here until called out on it which is exactly what DYH nailed you as scum in Led Zep.
I fear that you voted yourself as a joke. I fear even more that you still haven't unvoted.
I fear how you commented on everyone without giving basis for your opinions.
I fear how you responded to a genuine concern from Cyan with nonsensical points.
I fear how you don't find Tilde scummy but still want him dead.
No Zindabad, what I fear is your sudden roleplaying (or at the very least, a decidedly different tone than your normal one) which has cropped up only now.
I fear your low presence here until called out on it which is exactly what DYH nailed you as scum in Led Zep.
I fear that you voted yourself as a joke. I fear even more that you still haven't unvoted.
I fear how you commented on everyone without giving basis for your opinions.
I fear how you responded to a genuine concern from Cyan with nonsensical points.
I fear how you don't find Tilde scummy but still want him dead.
I am not roleplaying, but merely playing a role, as we all are. For all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
As for fears, we all have 'em. I fear Tilde because of his failure to claim properly when the time came, and also I fear the implications of same. I fear he's getting off too lightly. He didn't commit any deeds too dark but was still targeted for them. And when his time came, he offered us only a name - and a rose by any other would smell as sweet. Why? He felt, perhaps, that the strength of invoking that name would be spell sufficient to save his neck, which might lead us to question its veracity.
But more interesting, perhaps, is why he was not pressed harder, squeezed until the juices of Tildey truth could be decanted from his full claim. Claiming is an indication of willingness to lynch: does that, then, signify that you (for I was not present) were not truly committed to lynching Tilde? And if not, then what was the reason for the votes that accrued, like earthworms in the rain, and disappeared as quickly?
Perhaps it would do to look more closely at those who cast their votes Tilde's way. I fear the dark intentions of some of that guilty lot. But then again, I also fear cheesecake. So who can tell, really?
Joke? Well, japes and jokes are my province, one might say. But what's to fear? A mere joke can lift spirits and reveal the truth. You might consider my vote upon myself as a declaration that no-one is safe, and that I do not wish to throw stones when I live in a glass house. I have a vote - that much is apparent. And where better a place to rest it until I find someone suitable upon whom to hurl it, then my own head?
As to low presence, you misrepresent me, kind sir. It was not a mere void in presence that prompted DYH to investigate my dastardly deeds, but the fact that I declared same as an excuse for my skulking, attempting to excuse something that I knew to be profane. I would expect you to know better, since you were a part of that unfortunate series of events as well.
Furthermore, it piques my interest that you have come across me as both virtuous champion of good, and devilish servant of evil, and when you encounter something that appears to fit neither profile, your thoughts tend immediately to the latter. Why might that be?
I am not roleplaying, but merely playing a role, as we all are. For all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
How enlightening.
As for fears, we all have 'em. I fear Tilde because of his failure to claim properly when the time came, and also I fear the implications of same. I fear he's getting off too lightly. He didn't commit any deeds too dark but was still targeted for them. And when his time came, he offered us only a name - and a rose by any other would smell as sweet. Why? He felt, perhaps, that the strength of invoking that name would be spell sufficient to save his neck, which might lead us to question its veracity.
But more interesting, perhaps, is why he was not pressed harder, squeezed until the juices of Tildey truth could be decanted from his full claim. Claiming is an indication of willingness to lynch: does that, then, signify that you (for I was not present) were not truly committed to lynching Tilde? And if not, then what was the reason for the votes that accrued, like earthworms in the rain, and disappeared as quickly?
You're playing both sides here.
As for my unvote, it should be pretty clear from reading that I unvoted after 2 people said that a claim of Haley was pretty much guaranteed to be town.
Perhaps it would do to look more closely at those who cast their votes Tilde's way. I fear the dark intentions of some of that guilty lot. But then again, I also fear cheesecake. So who can tell, really?
Joke? Well, japes and jokes are my province, one might say. But what's to fear? A mere joke can lift spirits and reveal the truth. You might consider my vote upon myself as a declaration that no-one is safe, and that I do not wish to throw stones when I live in a glass house. I have a vote - that much is apparent. And where better a place to rest it until I find someone suitable upon whom to hurl it, then my own head?
Or I might consider it a way of dodging responsibility for having to cast a vote and just brush it off to a joke.
As to low presence, you misrepresent me, kind sir. It was not a mere void in presence that prompted DYH to investigate my dastardly deeds, but the fact that I declared same as an excuse for my skulking, attempting to excuse something that I knew to be profane. I would expect you to know better, since you were a part of that unfortunate series of events as well.
I'll give you that.
Furthermore, it piques my interest that you have come across me as both virtuous champion of good, and devilish servant of evil, and when you encounter something that appears to fit neither profile, your thoughts tend immediately to the latter. Why might that be?
I thought it sounded like I was taking the opportunity to vote for someone that looks scummy, but I guess that must obviously mean I'm barning - this seems to happen in every game I play in.
So poor reasoning followed by some random excuse to make your post look lengthy. Yeah, I don't see it.
Err, yea. First alarm flag from you is when you barned Cyan. As a matter of fact, you're not alone in that.
And that's how I usually post in mafia. The lengthy part, I mean. You'll get used to it soon enough.
Eh. Johm's play being markedly more focused outward, so to speak, then I've seen elsewhere, I'm going to go with town for the moment. And the other wagon is who? Tilde? There's not even a pretend case there yet. It's just a bunch of quasi-random votes that fell on the same person. Anyone who seriously calls that a wagon is probably scum trying to encourage an early mislynch.
You're sounding like you're threatening me from even looking in your direction. Huh. I wasn't aware being called out to voice an opinion in mafia was offensive to you.
This is a mini. A wagon is whenever there is anything even remotely serious on the parts of the voters that keep on stacking up.
Anyway, the gist of it is this. This argument is going nowhere. It might be more important to decide the likeliest town member than the likeliest scum member today in any case, because we absolutely have to pre-determine who is going to hammer. I think Johm is the likeliest town member at the moment, and I want him to hammer. Thoughts?
I thought only scums are interested in knowing who the likeliest town members are, to like kill them off when no one is looking.
And I thought that finding out the likeliest scum members is at the forefront of every town's mind and here you are, proposing otherwise?
Haley is probably Chaotic Good, which makes her a hard sell as someone who'd be part of an organization which would kill Shinjo. Unless arim is seriously warping the characters' motivations from the canon story, Haley and Shinjo are extremely unlikely to be on opposite sides.
Not that I'm saying arim can't warp the characters' motivations all he wants, or that Haley doesn't have a decent chance of being a mod-provided false-claim, but Haley as a claim is a pretty darn good one, given the setup in the first couple posts.
Anyway, I'm not seeing any especially strong indicators one way or the other with ced vs Cyan. Let's move on.
You're gaming the mod rather than discussing behaviors. And you used said mod-gaming to clear a claim. You must be very certain then.
Arim really doesn't have a history of providing scum with false claims, as far as I remember. I've played in 2 of his games in the past and he didn't do so.
As for my unvote, it should be pretty clear from reading that I unvoted after 2 people said that a claim of Haley was pretty much guaranteed to be town.
And you trust them?
Okay, caught up. Let me do a bit of a review first.
Scumdar tinged when Johm barned Cyan on Tilde, but subsequent posts of his just ring townish. So he's off my hook for now.
I don't think Tilde is scum. Nor Cyan. Nor jordman. Nor Johm. Nor Zindabad. So that's 5 people in my best friends list for now.
I got one townish post off Rialnann and one townish post off Skander, so that probably means I am viewing them as neutral-ish and something like "Hi, Bye" friends. And I have null, nothing, nada, zilch off Bilb. Huh. So maybe even more neutral-ish about him.
I'm thinking Zebi is rather tetchy about early attention on himself, and when he discovered Ria is a "vet", he unvoted to random vote another player? Maybe it stemmed from an impure mindset.
I'm thinking Ced barn-voted Tilde as well (like Johm). Actually, not exactly a barn-vote, more like I think he's taking an opportunity to jump on. And I'm seeing the rationale he gave for switching away from Tilde to Johm more like covering his bases. Well, I was seeing Tilde as town, so it felt like Ced was jumping onto another player while still wanting to make sure Tilde stays above the town's radar. So will Ced continue to pursue Tilde? I'm curious to see it. And I'm seeing some arguments of Ced against Cyan more like wiggling around with semantics and previous games examples. But since Cyan apparently doesn't think Ced is scum anymore, I suppose I'll need more reread or more posts by Ced to confirm said feelings.
I'm thinking CP is pretty detached from scum-hunting overall and prefers to discuss technical details. Doesn't seem like a town's mindset at all.
Rianalnn, ced395, jordman, Skander and Dagger – General townie reads thus far from all of them
Zebi, Bilbroxain – Both need to post more. Tentative scum read due to lurkiness.
Johm000 – Reads as scummy ever since post #58, and the fact Cyan’s been contributing more to his defense than Johm has, that opinion is not likely to change.
Cyan – Scummy. He’s been doing his typical “antagonistic townie” routine, but the fact that it’s day one and he’s absolutely convinced of Johm’s townieness is telling.
carrion pigeons – Scummy. In post 104, he’s wanting to just abandon the current argument without making any comment on it. Smacks of a deflection attempt.
zindabad – Gives me the same sense of dread as a trap that covers the party in BBQ sauce. Right now I wouldn’t touch whatever’s going on there with a standard issue 10-ft pole.
@Dagger: I don't necessarily think Ced is town, but my main point against him was invalidated, and it's early in the game, so, I need to evaluate more.
@Tilde: I will always defend someone that I think is town and being wrongfully persecuted. Seriously, you have played in more than enough games with me to realize this.
Hmm. Nobody else seems to see my point, so maybe I'm just seeing things that aren't there.
Unvote Johm000
You unvoted, so you must think Johm's explanation for that particular point of yours is agreeable to you or because no one else is supporting you? You're giving me the latter impression.
name claiming is a good idea, maybe, it will block off almost all of the scum falseclaims because their are so few importnat characters in oots and we might catcha few sum false claming, unfrtunatly I will point out that whoever is durkon will die and so will whoever is roy... (doctor, double voter) Personally I tihnk this is a good plan anyways because if we do it in order their are so few roles to claim we are likely to catch scum.... If we all agree on this I will volunteer to go first as a show of good faith.
Holy ☺☺☺☺, jordman, that kind of mod-gaming role spec is the worst sort of play. No, we aren't name claiming, + you better believe Arim is good enough designer to have something in place to burn a lazy town. wtf n00b bbq
Told myself I was going to make an effort to not get in the habit of quickposting, since I *always* feel the need to make a second post. . . here's hoping I don't fall down the slippery slope of the triple tipple
Well, it's not really constructive for a start (neither was 97). And it's hard to tell whether you're actually making an accusation or just complaining about Zinda messing around.
First, ok, you may not have understood what I was doing, but I was calling Zindabadman out for being obtuse. I was both making an accusation that he's obfuscating + complaining, + if you want to point at unconstructive posts, I'm gonna hafta disagree with you on both counts. Here's 97 for a refresh
Now I remember why this game is such a time sink - we're all busy chasing our tails + not parsing the thread. SKIM SKIM SKIM for the win.
The first is part of 97 is contributing to a discussion, + shows that I am parsing what is going back + forth pretty well. The second part is actually a shout out for people to pay more attention.
geeze guys i had no idea you felt so strongly, but seriously how cna it hurt us more than it will help. normally I agree its a bad idea but specifically with oots there arnt enough calimable roles for us not to catch one or two people lying doesn't need to be fullclaim just nameclaim. its not as close as you think, there are a lot of the characteers that you woldn't know thier aibilitlites.
@Cyan - yeah, I am starting to lean more pure n00b, but at the same time, I am reminded of Pick Order Mafia, a player named muse, who was so flailingly bad we couldn't trust how obvscum she was. I'm not tunnel visioning, but I hear ya. I'm considering the other options. . . but I'm also remember dude's 'help me out buddy Cyan' immediatly followed by 'oh uh cyan is scummy'. . .
geeze guys i had no idea you felt so strongly, but seriously how cna it hurt us more than it will help. normally I agree its a bad idea but specifically with oots there arnt enough calimable roles for us not to catch one or two people lying doesn't need to be fullclaim just nameclaim. its not as close as you think, there are a lot of the characteers that you woldn't know thier aibilitlites.
First of all, OOtS is chock a block with potential role flavours. What reason do you have to think that arim could only select from X number of roles? I certainly don't have that confidence. Add in that arim has given scum false claims previously. That alone should give us all pause to just tossing a name claim out there, even before we get to the point that sometimes, in say, Star Wars Mafia, Luke Skywalker is scum. I have no reason to trust the flavour of this game.
Next, speculating what roles match what flavour is flat out stupid bad. We know that not everyone here has read the comics, so there is no reason for us to just hand out "X character would be an X". Keep that to yourself.
Last, gaming the setup is a last-resort play. We have all kinds of other things that don't depend on outsmarting arimnaes or handing the scum all manner of information about the setup on the first day.
+ if you're going to say things like, 'answer my questions', you'd better be damn sure you've responded to comments directed at you, what country are you from.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Carrion Pigeons is town.
The only people that I have anything remotely resembling a scum read on right now are Ced and Skander. I have no read on Bilbrox, and various levels of town reads on most everyone else.
@jordman: Well, as has been emphasized, mass nameclaiming right now is a bad idea. But what I'm more interested in is the rationale for your Zindabad vote, of which you've yet to explain.
Whoever decided that putting forward and back buttons on the mouse was a good idea ought to be shot. That's the second time I've lost my post just by grabbing the mouse the wrong way. *sigh*
Anyway, the gist of it is this. This argument is going nowhere. It might be more important to decide the likeliest town member than the likeliest scum member today in any case, because we absolutely have to pre-determine who is going to hammer. I think Johm is the likeliest town member at the moment, and I want him to hammer. Thoughts?
vote jordman for flailing - first cyan is your best friend forever, now he's hurting your tummy? . . . + you've otherwise contributed. . . nil? Inarticulate barning?
You don't think I could be scum, and thus that voting myself might actually help you? Or I could have a PR that requires me to vote myself. I could just be totally mad. I'm just not sure you've considered all the possibilities, Cyan me laddie buck.
Well, let's take a little gander. Can't see Johnm being scum, CP scares me in general, Skander and ced395 need to die untimely deaths, Rihannanalann reminds me of someone in an ongoing game, making me want to keep an eye on her, I'm going to start calling jordman "Callaway," Dagger unnerves me, Tilde doesn't strike me as particularly scummy but I think I want him dead anyway...yeah, that's all I've got.
I hope it satisfies you sir, and that you are pleased with my worshipful submission of "content" for your evaluation. But voting myself, alas, it is simply something I must do at this juncture, for wherever my heart leads me, baby I must go.
I am not roleplaying, but merely playing a role, as we all are. For all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
As for fears, we all have 'em. I fear Tilde because of his failure to claim properly when the time came, and also I fear the implications of same. I fear he's getting off too lightly. He didn't commit any deeds too dark but was still targeted for them. And when his time came, he offered us only a name - and a rose by any other would smell as sweet. Why? He felt, perhaps, that the strength of invoking that name would be spell sufficient to save his neck, which might lead us to question its veracity.
But more interesting, perhaps, is why he was not pressed harder, squeezed until the juices of Tildey truth could be decanted from his full claim. Claiming is an indication of willingness to lynch: does that, then, signify that you (for I was not present) were not truly committed to lynching Tilde? And if not, then what was the reason for the votes that accrued, like earthworms in the rain, and disappeared as quickly?
Perhaps it would do to look more closely at those who cast their votes Tilde's way. I fear the dark intentions of some of that guilty lot. But then again, I also fear cheesecake. So who can tell, really?
Joke? Well, japes and jokes are my province, one might say. But what's to fear? A mere joke can lift spirits and reveal the truth. You might consider my vote upon myself as a declaration that no-one is safe, and that I do not wish to throw stones when I live in a glass house. I have a vote - that much is apparent. And where better a place to rest it until I find someone suitable upon whom to hurl it, then my own head?
As to low presence, you misrepresent me, kind sir. It was not a mere void in presence that prompted DYH to investigate my dastardly deeds, but the fact that I declared same as an excuse for my skulking, attempting to excuse something that I knew to be profane. I would expect you to know better, since you were a part of that unfortunate series of events as well.
Furthermore, it piques my interest that you have come across me as both virtuous champion of good, and devilish servant of evil, and when you encounter something that appears to fit neither profile, your thoughts tend immediately to the latter. Why might that be?
I also think I know who Zinda's role is, just based on the long-windedness.
good points all good points all........ but sitll roleplaying vote stands
Voting him for roleplaying is seriously one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. People who roleplay are more often town than not. See me in Romeo and Juliet mafia, and Cantrip in Rogue Squadron Mafia. Cantrip was one of the leading town minds in RS, and in R&J I cleared two people and outed a scum on day two.
roleplaying detracts form the effectivenous of scumhunting.... he did it again after that was my only scumtell on him... vote stands
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name claiming is a good idea, maybe, it will block off almost all of the scum falseclaims because their are so few importnat characters in oots and we might catcha few sum false claming, unfrtunatly I will point out that whoever is durkon will die and so will whoever is roy... (doctor, double voter) Personally I tihnk this is a good plan anyways because if we do it in order their are so few roles to claim we are likely to catch scum.... If we all agree on this I will volunteer to go first as a show of good faith. alright, now support your idea against the criticism.
Voting him for roleplaying is seriously one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. People who roleplay are more often town than not. See me in Romeo and Juliet mafia, and Cantrip in Rogue Squadron Mafia. Cantrip was one of the leading town minds in RS, and in R&J I cleared two people and outed a scum on day two.
Conversely, Vampyr roleplayed in Black Isles Mafia and he was scum. I still don't really see how role-playing is an indication of alignment.
carrion pigeons – Scummy. In post 104, he’s wanting to just abandon the current argument without making any comment on it. Smacks of a deflection attempt.
I am not so sure about Johm being town. He seems to have run with Cyan's comment about his line about real scumhunting not voting for him and tried to use that again to show how town he is.
I am not so sure about Johm being town. He seems to have run with Cyan's comment about his line about real scumhunting not voting for him and tried to use that again to show how town he is.
Unvote, Vote Skander
Repeating an already repeatedly stated sentiment(Jordman being newb town) isn't actually participating.
Dagger: Forgot to answer your question about nameclaiming, but yeah if someone claims something that people say is guaranteed to be town unless mod is a bastard then unless there are some very convincing reasons not to then I'll believe that.
It's interesting that you point out something that you claim is 'really reminiscent' of what I referred to as a town tell for Johm. Interesting..because you're trying to use it as a point against him.
Those posts don't have a 'woe is me' connotation at all.
If anything, it's just the opposite. They exhibit a layer of self-confidence. Johm is not attacking people for attacking him, or lamenting the fact that people did/are doing so.
It's interesting that you point out something that you claim is 'really reminiscent' of what I referred to as a town tell for Johm. Interesting..because you're trying to use it as a point against him.
Yeah, what are you saying there, Skander?
+ uh, Tilder, wouldn't the second quote be 'woe is jordman' rather than 'woe is me'? :baffle:
cyan, you are overreaching a tad, I do not see skander as having done anything scummy in the leest. and since when is johm a cookie jaR? Disturbing metaphors man :p. you and johm are the ones i'm still most suspicous of.
It seems to me there's a difference between looking at both sides of an issue and "playing both sides." The one implies scrutiny and logical analysis; the latter, dastardly intent.
I have already stated I do not find Tilde overly scummy, at least as far has behavior goes. Slightly more twingeworthy is his failure to full-claim. It implies one of two things, or perhaps both: that he believes his claim is so bulletproof that it needs no further explanation, and/or that he believed his wagon was not the result of sound (or even non-random!) townie thinking, and therefore, although he was compelled by the unwritten "L-2 rule" for claiming, he was not obliged to provide a full claim. It would please me to learn, from the man himself, which of these two possibilities led him to take the course he did.
As for my unvote, it should be pretty clear from reading that I unvoted after 2 people said that a claim of Haley was pretty much guaranteed to be town.
Two problems with this statement: the first, that you seem so easily swayed by flavor. Were you so unconvinced of the sound nature of your vote against Tilde that it could be so easily wiped out?
The second, that you took my comment upon the fungal nature of the wagon against Tilde as a slight against you, and felt it necessary to explain yourself. Is there a reason for this, or is it merely your guilty conscience speaking? The damned spot may never come out, Skander.
Or I might consider it a way of dodging responsibility for having to cast a vote and just brush it off to a joke.
Is there any way in which voting myself, with clear intentions not to commit suicide, is any different from choosing to withhold my vote? I could unvote, if it would please you, but there is no functional difference that I can discern.
Ah. It implies that I have an "agenda." Well, this is far from the first time I have heard that specious and unspecified specimen, but I would appreciate it if you might 'splain how my behavior has suggested an "agenda", and what that "agenda" might be.
Zinda was acting strangely earlier, but I'm liking his newer posts, which look a lot like he's speaking his mind. On that note, Skander's attack on him seems very much genuine but misguided. 131 in particular makes me feel that way.
Could you enlighten me - if you don't charge too much - as to which posts were "strange?"
How is accusing zin of obfuscating being negative? Dude is spewing flowers. Not that you're addressing me directly. . .
Google seems to indicate that the previously unknown "moobwap" appears to indicate one's disregard for another player's long-windedness, rather than what I surmised it meant, to wit, "to strike another in a manner producing the sound 'wap' with one's man-breasts." Which, needless to say, would be rather unpleasant.
However, for someone who expressed displeasure at not being addressed directly, you have done the same to me, and neither have you answered the questions I politely posed to you, Rihannanalannoran. What exactly failed to inspire confidence? And what, exactly, does that mean, anyway? What indication does it hold for my alignment?
If you never say what you mean, it would make anyone wonder if you mean what you do say.
Johm does something, Cyan calls it townie and then he does it again... Coincidence?
I think it was a conscious decision on Johm's part to repeat something that got called a town tell to garner more town points.
And it's really not that hard to see that from my post...
This is not the first time, even in this meeting, that you've attempted to make use of an example that does not apply to make someone appear nefarious. You wrongly labeled my "low presence" - that is to say, lurking, prowling, slinking, skulking, creeping or snooping - as an indicator of scum, citing an unfortunate episode with DYH and myself. That proved inaccurate.
Now, you propose to us that Johnm is scummy because - you allege - he is intentionally repeating an act that our worthy fount of judgment, Cyan, allocated to him as a town tell. But this is also inaccurate. The original act was one of dismissing his own wagon; the latter, dismissing another's wagon. One mischaracterization might have been a mistake; two, well, that's one straw too much for this camel's back. unvote; vote Skander. The charges: defensiveness, illogical vote against myself as already detailed and inaccurate allegations.
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...but fear itself.
Do you fear death, Skander? Do you fear that dark abyss? All your deeds laid bare, all your lies punished?
Rihannanalannon, what makes you doubt my pure heart? Or is it mere lack of confidence in my scumhunting ability (or perhaps my sanity?) that lead you to suspect my intentions?
Upon review, the venerable ced395 appears more townie to me, and I must query Johnm as to why he would think the "perfect claim" would consist of someone who is "probably town, but could always be scum." Would it not be more perfect for one's fakeclaim to always appear town? But that is mere semantics and should by no means be interpreted as a raised eyebrow of suspicion in your direction, good sir.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I fear your low presence here until called out on it which is exactly what DYH nailed you as scum in Led Zep.
I fear that you voted yourself as a joke. I fear even more that you still haven't unvoted.
I fear how you commented on everyone without giving basis for your opinions.
I fear how you responded to a genuine concern from Cyan with nonsensical points.
I fear how you don't find Tilde scummy but still want him dead.
willing to lynch zinda
Vote zindabad
roleplaying is rather concerning no offense, also davy jones is scum and your qouting him.
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I am not roleplaying, but merely playing a role, as we all are. For all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
As for fears, we all have 'em. I fear Tilde because of his failure to claim properly when the time came, and also I fear the implications of same. I fear he's getting off too lightly. He didn't commit any deeds too dark but was still targeted for them. And when his time came, he offered us only a name - and a rose by any other would smell as sweet. Why? He felt, perhaps, that the strength of invoking that name would be spell sufficient to save his neck, which might lead us to question its veracity.
But more interesting, perhaps, is why he was not pressed harder, squeezed until the juices of Tildey truth could be decanted from his full claim. Claiming is an indication of willingness to lynch: does that, then, signify that you (for I was not present) were not truly committed to lynching Tilde? And if not, then what was the reason for the votes that accrued, like earthworms in the rain, and disappeared as quickly?
Perhaps it would do to look more closely at those who cast their votes Tilde's way. I fear the dark intentions of some of that guilty lot. But then again, I also fear cheesecake. So who can tell, really?
Joke? Well, japes and jokes are my province, one might say. But what's to fear? A mere joke can lift spirits and reveal the truth. You might consider my vote upon myself as a declaration that no-one is safe, and that I do not wish to throw stones when I live in a glass house. I have a vote - that much is apparent. And where better a place to rest it until I find someone suitable upon whom to hurl it, then my own head?
As to low presence, you misrepresent me, kind sir. It was not a mere void in presence that prompted DYH to investigate my dastardly deeds, but the fact that I declared same as an excuse for my skulking, attempting to excuse something that I knew to be profane. I would expect you to know better, since you were a part of that unfortunate series of events as well.
Furthermore, it piques my interest that you have come across me as both virtuous champion of good, and devilish servant of evil, and when you encounter something that appears to fit neither profile, your thoughts tend immediately to the latter. Why might that be?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
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ty spiderboys
How enlightening.
You're playing both sides here.
As for my unvote, it should be pretty clear from reading that I unvoted after 2 people said that a claim of Haley was pretty much guaranteed to be town.
Or I might consider it a way of dodging responsibility for having to cast a vote and just brush it off to a joke.
I'll give you that.
Because it implies you have an agenda.
Err, yea. First alarm flag from you is when you barned Cyan. As a matter of fact, you're not alone in that.
And that's how I usually post in mafia. The lengthy part, I mean. You'll get used to it soon enough.
Well, they could both be scums.
You're sounding like you're threatening me from even looking in your direction. Huh. I wasn't aware being called out to voice an opinion in mafia was offensive to you.
This is a mini. A wagon is whenever there is anything even remotely serious on the parts of the voters that keep on stacking up.
I thought only scums are interested in knowing who the likeliest town members are, to like kill them off when no one is looking.
And I thought that finding out the likeliest scum members is at the forefront of every town's mind and here you are, proposing otherwise?
You're gaming the mod rather than discussing behaviors. And you used said mod-gaming to clear a claim. You must be very certain then.
Well, I played in one and he did so.
Vote is based on?
And you trust them?
Okay, caught up. Let me do a bit of a review first.
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Scumdar tinged when Johm barned Cyan on Tilde, but subsequent posts of his just ring townish. So he's off my hook for now.
I don't think Tilde is scum. Nor Cyan. Nor jordman. Nor Johm. Nor Zindabad. So that's 5 people in my best friends list for now.
I got one townish post off Rialnann and one townish post off Skander, so that probably means I am viewing them as neutral-ish and something like "Hi, Bye" friends. And I have null, nothing, nada, zilch off Bilb. Huh. So maybe even more neutral-ish about him.
I'm thinking Zebi is rather tetchy about early attention on himself, and when he discovered Ria is a "vet", he unvoted to random vote another player? Maybe it stemmed from an impure mindset.
I'm thinking Ced barn-voted Tilde as well (like Johm). Actually, not exactly a barn-vote, more like I think he's taking an opportunity to jump on. And I'm seeing the rationale he gave for switching away from Tilde to Johm more like covering his bases. Well, I was seeing Tilde as town, so it felt like Ced was jumping onto another player while still wanting to make sure Tilde stays above the town's radar. So will Ced continue to pursue Tilde? I'm curious to see it. And I'm seeing some arguments of Ced against Cyan more like wiggling around with semantics and previous games examples. But since Cyan apparently doesn't think Ced is scum anymore, I suppose I'll need more reread or more posts by Ced to confirm said feelings.
I'm thinking CP is pretty detached from scum-hunting overall and prefers to discuss technical details. Doesn't seem like a town's mindset at all.
So, Vote: carrion pigeons
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Zebi, Bilbroxain – Both need to post more. Tentative scum read due to lurkiness.
Johm000 – Reads as scummy ever since post #58, and the fact Cyan’s been contributing more to his defense than Johm has, that opinion is not likely to change.
Cyan – Scummy. He’s been doing his typical “antagonistic townie” routine, but the fact that it’s day one and he’s absolutely convinced of Johm’s townieness is telling.
carrion pigeons – Scummy. In post 104, he’s wanting to just abandon the current argument without making any comment on it. Smacks of a deflection attempt.
zindabad – Gives me the same sense of dread as a trap that covers the party in BBQ sauce. Right now I wouldn’t touch whatever’s going on there with a standard issue 10-ft pole.
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@Tilde: I will always defend someone that I think is town and being wrongfully persecuted. Seriously, you have played in more than enough games with me to realize this.
Ced, why is my attack misguided?
Just to clarify, you agree that clearing people via their name claims is the way to go?
You unvoted, so you must think Johm's explanation for that particular point of yours is agreeable to you or because no one else is supporting you? You're giving me the latter impression.
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ty spiderboys
Good to know that Jordman is town, though.
The first is part of 97 is contributing to a discussion, + shows that I am parsing what is going back + forth pretty well. The second part is actually a shout out for people to pay more attention.
I do make an effort to not spam fluff, yo.
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ty spiderboys
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ty spiderboys
Next, speculating what roles match what flavour is flat out stupid bad. We know that not everyone here has read the comics, so there is no reason for us to just hand out "X character would be an X". Keep that to yourself.
Last, gaming the setup is a last-resort play. We have all kinds of other things that don't depend on outsmarting arimnaes or handing the scum all manner of information about the setup on the first day.
+ if you're going to say things like, 'answer my questions', you'd better be damn sure you've responded to comments directed at you, what country are you from.
also... sry
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ty spiderboys
The only people that I have anything remotely resembling a scum read on right now are Ced and Skander. I have no read on Bilbrox, and various levels of town reads on most everyone else.
I've voted him. You interested?
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ty spiderboys
You think only scum roleplays?
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I agree with this statement.
++ this
ok... but why?
+++++++ town: Zindabad
I also think I know who Zinda's role is, just based on the long-windedness.
Voting him for roleplaying is seriously one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. People who roleplay are more often town than not. See me in Romeo and Juliet mafia, and Cantrip in Rogue Squadron Mafia. Cantrip was one of the leading town minds in RS, and in R&J I cleared two people and outed a scum on day two.
Why is he scum?
See above.
name claiming is a good idea, maybe, it will block off almost all of the scum falseclaims because their are so few importnat characters in oots and we might catcha few sum false claming, unfrtunatly I will point out that whoever is durkon will die and so will whoever is roy... (doctor, double voter) Personally I tihnk this is a good plan anyways because if we do it in order their are so few roles to claim we are likely to catch scum.... If we all agree on this I will volunteer to go first as a show of good faith.
alright, now support your idea against the criticism.
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Conversely, Vampyr roleplayed in Black Isles Mafia and he was scum. I still don't really see how role-playing is an indication of alignment.
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So, what do you think of CP, Bilb?
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ty spiderboys
Sorry, just going by the instances that I knew of.
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I think that he needs to post more so that I can get a firmer idea on him. I wanted to know why Jhom thinks that he's scum.
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I am not so sure about Johm being town. He seems to have run with Cyan's comment about his line about real scumhunting not voting for him and tried to use that again to show how town he is.
Unvote, Vote Skander
Repeating an already repeatedly stated sentiment(Jordman being newb town) isn't actually participating.
Nor is trying to revive a bad wagon.
So you're voting me because you think I'm not participating? That is obviously false.
And look at what Johm just did:
Which is really reminiscent of:
Which you called a major town tell for him.
It's interesting that you point out something that you claim is 'really reminiscent' of what I referred to as a town tell for Johm. Interesting..because you're trying to use it as a point against him.
Pretty sure you just messed that one up.
So these are town tells for you Cyan? Even though they have a "woe is me" connotation? Something you claim is "thoroughly scummy"?
So... I'm curious, how exactly are you generating this double standard?
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If anything, it's just the opposite. They exhibit a layer of self-confidence. Johm is not attacking people for attacking him, or lamenting the fact that people did/are doing so.
+ uh, Tilder, wouldn't the second quote be 'woe is jordman' rather than 'woe is me'? :baffle:
I think it was a conscious decision on Johm's part to repeat something that got called a town tell to garner more town points.
And it's really not that hard to see that from my post...
I guess that's why two people had to ask for clarification, + another used it as a platform for a misguided attack? No need to be condescending.
Except, as Rian pointed out, Johm was talking about a wagon other than his own in the second case, which is even MORE of a town tell.
You tried too hard on this one, and got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
That last bit is particularly defensive(in a scummy fashion).
Not sold.
Sorry, not trying to offend anyone - just annoyed.
You boggle my mind.
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ty spiderboys
I am glad it serves, sir. I provide enlightenment for a low flat rate; no sitting under a tree needed.
It seems to me there's a difference between looking at both sides of an issue and "playing both sides." The one implies scrutiny and logical analysis; the latter, dastardly intent.
I have already stated I do not find Tilde overly scummy, at least as far has behavior goes. Slightly more twingeworthy is his failure to full-claim. It implies one of two things, or perhaps both: that he believes his claim is so bulletproof that it needs no further explanation, and/or that he believed his wagon was not the result of sound (or even non-random!) townie thinking, and therefore, although he was compelled by the unwritten "L-2 rule" for claiming, he was not obliged to provide a full claim. It would please me to learn, from the man himself, which of these two possibilities led him to take the course he did.
Two problems with this statement: the first, that you seem so easily swayed by flavor. Were you so unconvinced of the sound nature of your vote against Tilde that it could be so easily wiped out?
The second, that you took my comment upon the fungal nature of the wagon against Tilde as a slight against you, and felt it necessary to explain yourself. Is there a reason for this, or is it merely your guilty conscience speaking? The damned spot may never come out, Skander.
Is there any way in which voting myself, with clear intentions not to commit suicide, is any different from choosing to withhold my vote? I could unvote, if it would please you, but there is no functional difference that I can discern.
Ah. It implies that I have an "agenda." Well, this is far from the first time I have heard that specious and unspecified specimen, but I would appreciate it if you might 'splain how my behavior has suggested an "agenda", and what that "agenda" might be.
Could you enlighten me - if you don't charge too much - as to which posts were "strange?"
Google seems to indicate that the previously unknown "moobwap" appears to indicate one's disregard for another player's long-windedness, rather than what I surmised it meant, to wit, "to strike another in a manner producing the sound 'wap' with one's man-breasts." Which, needless to say, would be rather unpleasant.
However, for someone who expressed displeasure at not being addressed directly, you have done the same to me, and neither have you answered the questions I politely posed to you, Rihannanalannoran. What exactly failed to inspire confidence? And what, exactly, does that mean, anyway? What indication does it hold for my alignment?
If you never say what you mean, it would make anyone wonder if you mean what you do say.
This is not the first time, even in this meeting, that you've attempted to make use of an example that does not apply to make someone appear nefarious. You wrongly labeled my "low presence" - that is to say, lurking, prowling, slinking, skulking, creeping or snooping - as an indicator of scum, citing an unfortunate episode with DYH and myself. That proved inaccurate.
Now, you propose to us that Johnm is scummy because - you allege - he is intentionally repeating an act that our worthy fount of judgment, Cyan, allocated to him as a town tell. But this is also inaccurate. The original act was one of dismissing his own wagon; the latter, dismissing another's wagon. One mischaracterization might have been a mistake; two, well, that's one straw too much for this camel's back. unvote; vote Skander. The charges: defensiveness, illogical vote against myself as already detailed and inaccurate allegations.
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