I too have a had a feeling that Guardman was a little scummish. When he was providing his reasons to suspect Tek in day 1 he openly admitted to most of them being based off his gut opinion (Here). Then after Kcapa had dismissed his claim (Post 124) and Wamyc had somewhat supported some of the reasoning behind his claim (Post 126) Tek came into the negative limelight.
Then aftewards, at the start of Day 2, Shadowlord had made that comment in post 141, which made us all turn our attention to him (Which isn't necessarily bad), it took away from the discussion that had been goin on in day one against Guardman.
So your case against me is I post a list of how I see the people in this game so far. Then kpaca dismisses me and wamyc somewhat supported me. But then Tek imploded... end day 1. And then day 2 we focus on Shadowlord...
Oh man there is no way we should be lynching Shadowlord he is a power role and we lost two already it would be hella stupid to lynch one more especially since we we will probably figure out if he's lying soon enough :Psyduck::Psyduck::Psyduck::Psyduck:
Vote: Guardman, that's got to be the right play to make, everyone who is voting shadowlord had better give me a reason they are not unvoting in their next post and it had better be good or I will daykill them. And yes, I can do that, it wasn't a joke.
Jeez, can't leave you guys to do anything.
Alright who the hell went and gave kpaca the dayvig?
Just because you are confirmed town and kpaca does not make you God. At best it makes you Morgan Freeman. And I don't think you fearmongering the town into doing what you want is a good strategy to win with.
Also I can understand your views on Shadowlord, but I base my suspicion on him on the fact that he is lying. But given the fact that he did claim this I am willing to let him go for now and instead focus on my other suspects, mainly CM and Quek.
Oh man there is no way we should be lynching Shadowlord he is a power role and we lost two already it would be hella stupid to lynch one more especially since we we will probably figure out if he's lying soon enough :Psyduck::Psyduck::Psyduck::Psyduck:
Vote: Guardman, that's got to be the right play to make, everyone who is voting shadowlord had better give me a reason they are not unvoting in their next post and it had better be good or I will daykill them. And yes, I can do that, it wasn't a joke.
Jeez, can't leave you guys to do anything.
While I don't mind unvoting him if you have a good reason for doing so, how are you so sure he's what he claims to be? (Couldn't he in theory just say he targetted one of the people who didn't get NK'd just to make us think that he's tellling the truth?) Just wanted to check in case you had something we might have missed.
Also I have to ask...are you the one who killed our cop? If so I'll assume it was an accident, but in case it wasn't you, I would greatly appreciate knowing if the scum have a similar counterpart on their side beforehand.
Because, to put it bluntly, the timing was too convenient for you, I also noticed that you stopped posting around when the focus shifted to tech. Then finally postd later on to join the final lynching wagon.
So your case against me is I post a list of how I see the people in this game so far. Then kpaca dismisses me and wamyc somewhat supported me. But then Tek imploded... end day 1. And then day 2 we focus on Shadowlord...
Um could you explain to me how that is scummy?
Just because you are confirmed town and kpaca does not make you God. At best it makes you Morgan Freeman.
I lol'd at this, if I collected quotes in my sig this would be one of them.
Also I have to ask...are you the one who killed our cop? If so I'll assume it was an accident, but in case it wasn't you, I would greatly appreciate knowing if the scum have a similar counterpart on their side beforehand.
What the hell? Kpaca, please help us out here - Did you have a reason to doubt Skander's cop claim?
If that wasn't you, then we potentially have two daykillers. Unless there's a way that a player that's neither town or scum (e.g. Serial Killer) can come up as town to a sane cop's investigation, then I'm having trouble figuring out motivation here.
Because, to put it bluntly, the timing was too convenient for you, I also noticed that you stopped posting around when the focus shifted to tech. Then finally postd later on to join the final lynching wagon.
While I might not be the most active poster, I post at least once every day or two, which I have been doing. This hardly constitutes lurking and I fail to see how maybe having a day or two in-between posts is too convenient. Please explain your reasoning further.
Also might I ask why you folded so easily to kpaca's threat?
To those about kpaca having a daykill, I think the most likely scenerio is that he has a daykill and the scum have a daykill or delay kill that they used to take out skander.
Also might I ask why you folded so easily to kpaca's threat?
Because, out of all of us, CM and Kcapa have the most experience at mafia, and since we know that Kcapa is confirmed town, we can believe he is on the level. Keeping this in mind, I figure that he must have a solid reason for jumping right into a vote on you, and I already told you that I was suspicous of you.
I just voted for you now, since I know that you aren't even at L-1 so it won't put you in danger of an accidental lynch and since I'm going to sleep soon..
Yes, kpaca is fearmongering. Yes, he's arrogant and derisive. But for the love, he's right! We have no business killing a claimed power role as that's a loss for us in a big way if he's town and it's leverage to see if he's lying later. We don't have to merely speculate, there are actual facts to check to see if he is lying!
And Guardman, you are acting exactly as I would imagine scum to react to pressure. Jokes, deference, randomness, trying to fill every role of appeasing and covering your bases. Granted, it's the same unhelpful barning chaotic way you have been playing if only accelerated a little, but at this point I feel comfortable with a
By my count that puts you at L-2. Others are free to count to see for themselves, but I counted from the last votecount before voting after seeing Quek's concerns.
Also, Guardman, how is Shadowlord lying? How do you know this?
Because, out of all of us, CM and Kcapa have the most experience at mafia, and since we know that Kcapa is confirmed town, we can believe he is on the level. Keeping this in mind, I figure that he must have a solid reason for jumping right into a vote on you, and I already told you that I was suspicous of you.
I just voted for you now, since I know that you aren't even at L-1 so it won't put you in danger of an accidental lynch and since I'm going to sleep soon..
Umm... yeah this is a really bad reason. Having experience does not equal knowing everything, neither does being confirmed town. In fact it might interest you to note I am the third most experienced player here. Plus kpaca is known for his shock and awe like tactics were he does crazy **** just to see what type of reaction he will get. I am guessing this is what he did here, and your reaction is pretty telling.
Today you just seem to be blindly following whichever way the wind blows and your reasoning has been all around horrible. This isn't even barning, this is more like blindly following kpaca, which is even worse. kpaca isn't God and isn't infaliable, and is in-fact far from it.
Your reasonings keep getting worse and worse and your well poor performance and reasoning from Day 1 leave more than much to be desired.
By my count that puts you at L-2. Others are free to count to see for themselves, but I counted from the last votecount before voting after seeing Quek's concerns.
Also, Guardman, how is Shadowlord lying? How do you know this?
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Also I think Shadowlord is lying because of how he is playing combined with the fact that he claims a role that is a townified roleblocker variant that is impossible to tell from a normal roleblocker unless somebody actually tries to shoot the same person SL is RB/Jailing or if we get a counterclaim from a doc (and we don't want the doc to reveal himself). Overall I find the claim to full of holes (i.e. there really no good way to tell if he is just a RB or actually a jailer) and his responses and how he has been acting makes me doubt the truthfullness of his claim.
So your case against me is I post a list of how I see the people in this game so far. Then kpaca dismisses me and wamyc somewhat supported me. But then Tek imploded... end day 1. And then day 2 we focus on Shadowlord...
Um could you explain to me how that is scummy?
Alright who the hell went and gave kpaca the dayvig?
Just because you are confirmed town and kpaca does not make you God. At best it makes you Morgan Freeman. And I don't think you fearmongering the town into doing what you want is a good strategy to win with.
Also I can understand your views on Shadowlord, but I base my suspicion on him on the fact that he is lying. But given the fact that he did claim this I am willing to let him go for now and instead focus on my other suspects, mainly CM and Quek.
While I don't mind unvoting him if you have a good reason for doing so, how are you so sure he's what he claims to be? (Couldn't he in theory just say he targetted one of the people who didn't get NK'd just to make us think that he's tellling the truth?) Just wanted to check in case you had something we might have missed.
Also I have to ask...are you the one who killed our cop? If so I'll assume it was an accident, but in case it wasn't you, I would greatly appreciate knowing if the scum have a similar counterpart on their side beforehand.
Because, to put it bluntly, the timing was too convenient for you, I also noticed that you stopped posting around when the focus shifted to tech. Then finally postd later on to join the final lynching wagon.
I lol'd at this, if I collected quotes in my sig this would be one of them.
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What the hell? Kpaca, please help us out here - Did you have a reason to doubt Skander's cop claim?
If that wasn't you, then we potentially have two daykillers. Unless there's a way that a player that's neither town or scum (e.g. Serial Killer) can come up as town to a sane cop's investigation, then I'm having trouble figuring out motivation here.
I did not kill Skander nor am I being obtuse, good day to you suh
Umm... yeah this is a really bad reason. Having experience does not equal knowing everything, neither does being confirmed town. In fact it might interest you to note I am the third most experienced player here. Plus kpaca is known for his shock and awe like tactics were he does crazy **** just to see what type of reaction he will get. I am guessing this is what he did here, and your reaction is pretty telling.
Today you just seem to be blindly following whichever way the wind blows and your reasoning has been all around horrible. This isn't even barning, this is more like blindly following kpaca, which is even worse. kpaca isn't God and isn't infaliable, and is in-fact far from it.
Your reasonings keep getting worse and worse and your well poor performance and reasoning from Day 1 leave more than much to be desired.
Unvote Charm Master
Vote Queklain
Oh man you are totally grasping at straws here.
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I still think Shadowlord's story has way too much room to be manipulated to his will, as stated in previous posts, especially that we can't refute the Jailer status since we obviously don't want the Doc to come out. I'm still leery about him, but I suppose its fair to let him go. In the end, its best to take this on a leap of faith, I guess.
After reading over some of Guardman's posts, I still don't see how he is that scummy. Could someone help shed some light on things that are really scummy he said, because quite frankly, I must not be reading into it well enough. I'm just curious is all.
By my count that puts you at L-2. Others are free to count to see for themselves, but I counted from the last votecount before voting after seeing Quek's concerns.
I did not kill Skander nor am I being obtuse, good day to you suh
Thanks for clearing things up on the daykill, but you're still being extremely vague and, frankly, unhelpful. If you think Guardman is the right way to vote, what are your reasons? If someone else had made such a post, I'd expect they would have been accused of being scummy almost straight away.
I still think Shadowlord's story has way too much room to be manipulated to his will, as stated in previous posts, especially that we can't refute the Jailer status since we obviously don't want the Doc to come out. I'm still leery about him, but I suppose its fair to let him go. In the end, its best to take this on a leap of faith, I guess.
After reading over some of Guardman's posts, I still don't see how he is that scummy. Could someone help shed some light on things that are really scummy he said, because quite frankly, I must not be reading into it well enough. I'm just curious is all.
This pretty much sums up the way I'm feeling at the moment. Some of Guardman's posts regarding his argument against Charm Master made me feel like his aim was more to deflect focus from Shadowlord, but that I'm not so certain about it to vote for him on that alone.
If anyone who currently holds a vote for Guardman can elaborate on their reasoning, that would be helpful for those of us unsure about where to place our vote, and also for Guardman to directly address issues.
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@kpaca: Why so little reasoning to support your statements? It's really frustrating to have the one confirmed town player doing so little to help the town.
Currently, there are still several players (myself included) who aren't sure who to vote for. I'm suspicious of Guardman, but not so much that I'm ready to cast a vote that way, so why aren't you trying to convince me? You say that there's a clearly correct way to vote, yet you're doing nothing to convert others to your point of view.
Because I am encouraging you to draw your own conclusions and read into guardmans posts yourself. If I were to do it for you, it would encourage your laziness and wouldn't do much to help you scum hunt, you'd likely just agree with what I said because I'd probably word it with a lot of loaded language and it would make guardman look really bad.
Also I think you will find that I am helping the town quite a bit at one point.
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Because I am encouraging you to draw your own conclusions and read into guardmans posts yourself. If I were to do it for you, it would encourage your laziness and wouldn't do much to help you scum hunt, you'd likely just agree with what I said because I'd probably word it with a lot of loaded language and it would make guardman look really bad.
I have read into Guardman's posts, and I'm not completely convinced of his scumminess. I'd also appreciate it if you gave me (and everyone else that is currently undecided) the credit not to just blindly agree with whatever you post - I'm sure we can all make our own conclusions, but there's no harm in having more information.
That said, you're under no obligation to give reasons for your vote, since you're as good as confirmed town.
Shadowlord still seems scummiest to me, but I agree that it's not worth the risk of lynching what could be one of the last power roles in the town.
Guardman is still second on my radar because, as I have said before, I felt at times that his argument against Charm Master was a little insubstantial and was more designed to deflect criticism from Shadowlord. If he'd simply said something to the effect of "I don't want to target Shadowlord just in case his claim is true" it may have seemed more credible, but the argument that Charm and Shadowlord were probably scum just didn't fly with me.
Also, I feel that the day is stagnating once again, so I'm going to just fall back on my second target and vote Guardman. That, by my count, is L-1. Hopefully that will spur some people into action.
Because I am encouraging you to draw your own conclusions and read into guardmans posts yourself. If I were to do it for you, it would encourage your laziness and wouldn't do much to help you scum hunt, you'd likely just agree with what I said because I'd probably word it with a lot of loaded language and it would make guardman look really bad.
Not necessarily. Sometimes, if people don't understand your point, you need to present it in a way that they might. Mention specific things he said that you found hinky (too much NCIS... :no:). Present these to those who are undecided and let them draw their own conclusions from that evidence. I'm not arguing for or against Guardman here, just the principle of the thing. What I'm trying to say overall, is you don't need to get them to agree with your point, just understand where you're coming from, even if they have their own opinions on the matter. I hope that makes sense without making me look like I'm lecturing.
Anywho, I re-read Guardman's posts and honestly, the only thing that stands out as hinky to me is his ability to crack jokes. Whenever he points a finger at someone else for being scum, he wildly exagerates with his jokes such as:
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My god is this scummy. I'm drunk and I can even tell this.
and there was another wise-crack that I saw about scum slopping off a post, but I can't seem to find it right now and I think I saw another joke somewhere by Guardman too. I sense a bit of arrogance from this.
Anywho, I also noticed that he's way to eager to post his lists. Not to mention, I got a slightly uncomfortable vibe from the whole "grasping at straws" argument because it seems no one is seems to know who's being accused of what. This whole thing seems very tense to me.
That being said, I think I have been persuaded to see Guardman as a bit scummy.
I believe that should put him at Lynch, could we get a vote count Rianlynn?
No, that only puts him at 4 votes - kpaca, Quek, wamyc, Sir Auron.
On the other hand, Guardman? Really? I have not suspected him at all so far and really don't think he's scum. He hasn't done anything as scummy as Quek or Shadowlord, imo. For the sake of you guys, though, I'll do a reread.
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Seriously? After all that? So, what, you wanted to vote for him but not to lynch him?
Anyway, I think it's a bit late, Dragoon missed my vote in his count. From Guardman's response, I fear that we may have lynched town, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
EBWODP - Sorry, that last comment was out of line, just kinda blurted it out - Of course a vote doesn't necessarily have to precipitate a lynch, I'm just surprised.
Hey guys, just a heads up - I'm heading out into the sticks for the weekend, so I may not post again in the next 48 hours. I'll try to get online to check on things at least once while I'm away.
Seriously? After all that? So, what, you wanted to vote for him but not to lynch him?
Anyway, I think it's a bit late, Dragoon missed my vote in his count. From Guardman's response, I fear that we may have lynched town, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Really? Are you high? We may have not lynched him, and confirmed him as a townie, so why the hell would I keep voting him?
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If Rian takes the vote count from after your unvote rather than after Auron's vote, then that's great, I just thought it didn't work like that.
And seriously, drop the attitude, it just makes the "little kid on a power-trip" vibes even stronger. I apologised for my overreaction. If I'd been able to edit or delete it, I would have, there was no need to take it any further.
I do not have an attitude. And while I don't really know you i can say judging by your picture that I doubt you are older than me, and if so it's not by much. If you do not agree with the way i word posts, well I suppose you will just have to deal with it, because I have yet to change it, and it has yet to lead me in the wrong direction in a game of mafia.
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A short drop later, you all stare with disappointment at the used bubblegum wrapper (chewed gum within) + the screw-top lid from a soda bottle (good for one free vanilla cola), all that you can find to identify this unlucky fellow.
Guardman was Guardman, Townie.
The Living:
Queklain
Dragoon26
Sir Auron25
kpaca
Charm_Master3125
wamyc
Castle
Shadowlord
The Dead: Yukora, Townie Global Mod, drowned Night 0. TeknoLink, Cowardly Townie Reporter, lynched Day 1. Skander, Sane Townie Cop, stabbed in the back Day 2. Guardman, Townie, lynched Day 2.
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This morning the air is still, + no birdsong can be heard. One of you stumbles across kpaca's body laying along the path by the lake, his windpipe crushed.
kpaca was kpaca, Townie.
It is now Day 3.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
The Living:
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Dragoon26
Sir Auron25
Charm_Master3125
wamyc
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The Dead: Yukora, Townie Global Mod, drowned Night 0. TeknoLink, Cowardly Townie Reporter, lynched Day 1. Skander, Sane Townie Cop, stabbed in the back Day 2. Guardman, Townie, lynched Day 2. kpaca, Townie, throttled Night 2.
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We're going at this again? Really? You have to wonder what if Shadowlord is the only protective role we have. I know I was formerly for lynching Shadowlord, but I've thought some things through and re-evaluated the situation. There is some justification to keep him alive for now.
Granted I'm not defending Shadowlord. All I am saying is I think we should be ousting people who are acting way more scummy than Shadowlord such as Queklain and Dragoon26 from yesterday.
We're going at this again? Really? You have to wonder what if Shadowlord is the only protective role we have. I know I was formerly for lynching Shadowlord, but I've thought some things through and re-evaluated the situation. There is some justification to keep him alive for now.
QFT. We can't afford to get it wrong again.
@Shadowlord: Is there anything that came out of last night to support your roleclaim, or anyone that can back up any action you took?
@Shadowlord: Is there anything that came out of last night to support your roleclaim, or anyone that can back up any action you took?
Agreed, do you have any proof that you might want to share to help allieve suspicion on you?
I'll admit I was wrong about Guardman, but I was not alone in my train of thought. He just screamed scum to me, but I guess my gut was wrong that time.
We have not had great luck so far. I do believe that the players lynched were acting scummy, but that only means we need to look at how the real scum manipulated the wagons to their advantage, because this is surely what they were doing. In some cases they may just have been able to sit back and then jump on at the last minute. Sir Auron, that would be you. You had no call to hammer yesterday, especially with your absurd hammering post. You spend the whole post explaining how you aren't defending guardman but then defend him in it, (he's only scummy because he cracks jokes), and then vote him, and kill him. The whole post sounds like something to defend guardman and get him off and then you have that sentence that goes "that being said..."
This is not the reasoning of a man convinced of his guilt. Yet you were willing to kill him at a crucial point of the game on such weak reasoning?
Also, Shadowlord, get in here and explain what happened last night.
Also, let me reiterate: TO VOTE IS TO LOSE. We are likely at LyoL right now and even one misvote can be jumped on if all the scum (assuming 3 scum) hammer and then they win. So we can't afford to throw votes out there. I suggest we use massiveFOS:whoever if we would actually vote for the person in place of real votes until the town comes to a consensus about who lynch.
We have not had great luck so far. I do believe that the players lynched were acting scummy, but that only means we need to look at how the real scum manipulated the wagons to their advantage, because this is surely what they were doing. In some cases they may just have been able to sit back and then jump on at the last minute. Sir Auron, that would be you. You had no call to hammer yesterday, especially with your absurd hammering post. You spend the whole post explaining how you aren't defending guardman but then defend him in it, (he's only scummy because he cracks jokes), and then vote him, and kill him. The whole post sounds like something to defend guardman and get him off and then you have that sentence that goes "that being said..."
This is not the reasoning of a man convinced of his guilt. Yet you were willing to kill him at a crucial point of the game on such weak reasoning?
You are right. To be perfectly honest, there was a part of me that didn't want Guardman lynched. I admit, it was my fault, mainly because of kpaca. I know this probably isn't a good reason, but lets face it. kpaca would browbeat anyone into making decisions he wanted them to make, (i.e. threatening to daykill if we didn't justify our Shadowlord votes, even if he couldn't). He just seemed like the wrong townie to go against, but as learned in World War 2, appeasement isn't the best way to go.
Though Queklain is right, we need to step it up and get going here. I am convinced that Shadowlord is the jailer, so yes, he needs to explain himself, but thats it. We really need to stop going after what could be the only protective role and move on to other suspects.
Also, where's Dragoon26 been? He hasn't posted for the past few pages, and didn't even vote in the last lynching?
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So your case against me is I post a list of how I see the people in this game so far. Then kpaca dismisses me and wamyc somewhat supported me. But then Tek imploded... end day 1. And then day 2 we focus on Shadowlord...
Um could you explain to me how that is scummy?
Alright who the hell went and gave kpaca the dayvig?
Just because you are confirmed town and kpaca does not make you God. At best it makes you Morgan Freeman. And I don't think you fearmongering the town into doing what you want is a good strategy to win with.
Also I can understand your views on Shadowlord, but I base my suspicion on him on the fact that he is lying. But given the fact that he did claim this I am willing to let him go for now and instead focus on my other suspects, mainly CM and Quek.
Who are your other suspects (other than me)?
While I don't mind unvoting him if you have a good reason for doing so, how are you so sure he's what he claims to be? (Couldn't he in theory just say he targetted one of the people who didn't get NK'd just to make us think that he's tellling the truth?) Just wanted to check in case you had something we might have missed.
Also I have to ask...are you the one who killed our cop? If so I'll assume it was an accident, but in case it wasn't you, I would greatly appreciate knowing if the scum have a similar counterpart on their side beforehand.
Because, to put it bluntly, the timing was too convenient for you, I also noticed that you stopped posting around when the focus shifted to tech. Then finally postd later on to join the final lynching wagon.
I lol'd at this, if I collected quotes in my sig this would be one of them.
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If that wasn't you, then we potentially have two daykillers. Unless there's a way that a player that's neither town or scum (e.g. Serial Killer) can come up as town to a sane cop's investigation, then I'm having trouble figuring out motivation here.
While I might not be the most active poster, I post at least once every day or two, which I have been doing. This hardly constitutes lurking and I fail to see how maybe having a day or two in-between posts is too convenient. Please explain your reasoning further.
Also might I ask why you folded so easily to kpaca's threat?
To those about kpaca having a daykill, I think the most likely scenerio is that he has a daykill and the scum have a daykill or delay kill that they used to take out skander.
Because, out of all of us, CM and Kcapa have the most experience at mafia, and since we know that Kcapa is confirmed town, we can believe he is on the level. Keeping this in mind, I figure that he must have a solid reason for jumping right into a vote on you, and I already told you that I was suspicous of you.
I just voted for you now, since I know that you aren't even at L-1 so it won't put you in danger of an accidental lynch and since I'm going to sleep soon..
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And Guardman, you are acting exactly as I would imagine scum to react to pressure. Jokes, deference, randomness, trying to fill every role of appeasing and covering your bases. Granted, it's the same unhelpful barning chaotic way you have been playing if only accelerated a little, but at this point I feel comfortable with a
Vote: Guardman
And this time it's not a typo.
Also, Guardman, how is Shadowlord lying? How do you know this?
Umm... yeah this is a really bad reason. Having experience does not equal knowing everything, neither does being confirmed town. In fact it might interest you to note I am the third most experienced player here. Plus kpaca is known for his shock and awe like tactics were he does crazy **** just to see what type of reaction he will get. I am guessing this is what he did here, and your reaction is pretty telling.
Today you just seem to be blindly following whichever way the wind blows and your reasoning has been all around horrible. This isn't even barning, this is more like blindly following kpaca, which is even worse. kpaca isn't God and isn't infaliable, and is in-fact far from it.
Your reasonings keep getting worse and worse and your well poor performance and reasoning from Day 1 leave more than much to be desired.
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Vote Queklain
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Also I think Shadowlord is lying because of how he is playing combined with the fact that he claims a role that is a townified roleblocker variant that is impossible to tell from a normal roleblocker unless somebody actually tries to shoot the same person SL is RB/Jailing or if we get a counterclaim from a doc (and we don't want the doc to reveal himself). Overall I find the claim to full of holes (i.e. there really no good way to tell if he is just a RB or actually a jailer) and his responses and how he has been acting makes me doubt the truthfullness of his claim.
I am not telling you my other suspects.
My daykill has to be posted in thread, you will know if I use it.
I did not kill Skander nor am I being obtuse, good day to you suh
Oh man you are totally grasping at straws here.
I still think Shadowlord's story has way too much room to be manipulated to his will, as stated in previous posts, especially that we can't refute the Jailer status since we obviously don't want the Doc to come out. I'm still leery about him, but I suppose its fair to let him go. In the end, its best to take this on a leap of faith, I guess.
After reading over some of Guardman's posts, I still don't see how he is that scummy. Could someone help shed some light on things that are really scummy he said, because quite frankly, I must not be reading into it well enough. I'm just curious is all.
Thanks for clearing things up on the daykill, but you're still being extremely vague and, frankly, unhelpful. If you think Guardman is the right way to vote, what are your reasons? If someone else had made such a post, I'd expect they would have been accused of being scummy almost straight away.
This pretty much sums up the way I'm feeling at the moment. Some of Guardman's posts regarding his argument against Charm Master made me feel like his aim was more to deflect focus from Shadowlord, but that I'm not so certain about it to vote for him on that alone.
If anyone who currently holds a vote for Guardman can elaborate on their reasoning, that would be helpful for those of us unsure about where to place our vote, and also for Guardman to directly address issues.
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Um... could you give the reasons why you think I am grasping at straws here?
Also is there a reason why you don't want to tell me your other suspect or is this you just being difficult?
Um... I think you misunderstood me. I am asking how am I grasping at straws.
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Making wild and often times unbelievable assumptions or using far fetched ideas and possibilities to reach the desired conclusion.
I believe you are doing this in that post. Probably because you are scum and need to grab something.
Currently, there are still several players (myself included) who aren't sure who to vote for. I'm suspicious of Guardman, but not so much that I'm ready to cast a vote that way, so why aren't you trying to convince me? You say that there's a clearly correct way to vote, yet you're doing nothing to convert others to your point of view.
Also I think you will find that I am helping the town quite a bit at one point.
That said, you're under no obligation to give reasons for your vote, since you're as good as confirmed town.
Shadowlord still seems scummiest to me, but I agree that it's not worth the risk of lynching what could be one of the last power roles in the town.
Guardman is still second on my radar because, as I have said before, I felt at times that his argument against Charm Master was a little insubstantial and was more designed to deflect criticism from Shadowlord. If he'd simply said something to the effect of "I don't want to target Shadowlord just in case his claim is true" it may have seemed more credible, but the argument that Charm and Shadowlord were probably scum just didn't fly with me.
Also, I feel that the day is stagnating once again, so I'm going to just fall back on my second target and vote Guardman. That, by my count, is L-1. Hopefully that will spur some people into action.
Not necessarily. Sometimes, if people don't understand your point, you need to present it in a way that they might. Mention specific things he said that you found hinky (too much NCIS... :no:). Present these to those who are undecided and let them draw their own conclusions from that evidence. I'm not arguing for or against Guardman here, just the principle of the thing. What I'm trying to say overall, is you don't need to get them to agree with your point, just understand where you're coming from, even if they have their own opinions on the matter. I hope that makes sense without making me look like I'm lecturing.
Anywho, I re-read Guardman's posts and honestly, the only thing that stands out as hinky to me is his ability to crack jokes. Whenever he points a finger at someone else for being scum, he wildly exagerates with his jokes such as:
and there was another wise-crack that I saw about scum slopping off a post, but I can't seem to find it right now and I think I saw another joke somewhere by Guardman too. I sense a bit of arrogance from this.
Anywho, I also noticed that he's way to eager to post his lists. Not to mention, I got a slightly uncomfortable vibe from the whole "grasping at straws" argument because it seems no one is seems to know who's being accused of what. This whole thing seems very tense to me.
That being said, I think I have been persuaded to see Guardman as a bit scummy.
Vote Guardman
*My best bet is that my jokes were bad
Anywho, the good news is that the town didn't lose a power role since I am vanilla. The bad news is that the town lost another town.
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No, that only puts him at 4 votes - kpaca, Quek, wamyc, Sir Auron.
On the other hand, Guardman? Really? I have not suspected him at all so far and really don't think he's scum. He hasn't done anything as scummy as Quek or Shadowlord, imo. For the sake of you guys, though, I'll do a reread.
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Anyway, I think it's a bit late, Dragoon missed my vote in his count. From Guardman's response, I fear that we may have lynched town, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Really? Are you high? We may have not lynched him, and confirmed him as a townie, so why the hell would I keep voting him?
And seriously, drop the attitude, it just makes the "little kid on a power-trip" vibes even stronger. I apologised for my overreaction. If I'd been able to edit or delete it, I would have, there was no need to take it any further.
Guardman - 5 (kpaca, Queklain, wamyc, Castle, Sir Auron)
Charm_Master - 1 (Shadowlord)
Queklain - 1 (Guardman)
Guardman has been lynched.
It is now twilight. I will have the lynch scene up momentarily, feel free to post until then.
is there any reason why I'm voting guardman twice?
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A short drop later, you all stare with disappointment at the used bubblegum wrapper (chewed gum within) + the screw-top lid from a soda bottle (good for one free vanilla cola), all that you can find to identify this unlucky fellow.
Guardman was Guardman, Townie.
The Living:
Queklain
Dragoon26
Sir Auron25
kpaca
Charm_Master3125
wamyc
Castle
Shadowlord
The Dead:
Yukora, Townie Global Mod, drowned Night 0.
TeknoLink, Cowardly Townie Reporter, lynched Day 1.
Skander, Sane Townie Cop, stabbed in the back Day 2.
Guardman, Townie, lynched Day 2.
It is now Night 2. Do not post.
Please have your Night Actions to me before Midnight Monday November 16th AKDT.
kpaca was kpaca, Townie.
It is now Day 3.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
The Living:
Queklain
Dragoon26
Sir Auron25
Charm_Master3125
wamyc
Castle
Shadowlord
The Dead:
Yukora, Townie Global Mod, drowned Night 0.
TeknoLink, Cowardly Townie Reporter, lynched Day 1.
Skander, Sane Townie Cop, stabbed in the back Day 2.
Guardman, Townie, lynched Day 2.
kpaca, Townie, throttled Night 2.
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We're going at this again? Really? You have to wonder what if Shadowlord is the only protective role we have. I know I was formerly for lynching Shadowlord, but I've thought some things through and re-evaluated the situation. There is some justification to keep him alive for now.
Granted I'm not defending Shadowlord. All I am saying is I think we should be ousting people who are acting way more scummy than Shadowlord such as Queklain and Dragoon26 from yesterday.
in the middle of my sleep I just woke up and realized how dangerous voting is right now. no one should be voting!!! discussing, yes. but no votes!!!!!
/back 2 bed.
@Shadowlord: Is there anything that came out of last night to support your roleclaim, or anyone that can back up any action you took?
Agreed, do you have any proof that you might want to share to help allieve suspicion on you?
I'll admit I was wrong about Guardman, but I was not alone in my train of thought. He just screamed scum to me, but I guess my gut was wrong that time.
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This is not the reasoning of a man convinced of his guilt. Yet you were willing to kill him at a crucial point of the game on such weak reasoning?
Also, Shadowlord, get in here and explain what happened last night.
You are right. To be perfectly honest, there was a part of me that didn't want Guardman lynched. I admit, it was my fault, mainly because of kpaca. I know this probably isn't a good reason, but lets face it. kpaca would browbeat anyone into making decisions he wanted them to make, (i.e. threatening to daykill if we didn't justify our Shadowlord votes, even if he couldn't). He just seemed like the wrong townie to go against, but as learned in World War 2, appeasement isn't the best way to go.
Though Queklain is right, we need to step it up and get going here. I am convinced that Shadowlord is the jailer, so yes, he needs to explain himself, but thats it. We really need to stop going after what could be the only protective role and move on to other suspects.
Also, where's Dragoon26 been? He hasn't posted for the past few pages, and didn't even vote in the last lynching?