This game is making me yawn again. I can't remember a mafia game being this boring for a long time.
Let's just lynch someone already.
Netfinity
Xyre
AH
are all good by me.
(Yes, I know. Impatience shouldn't be a reason to lynch someone, but I'm dying here. It's been around 5 days since I last posted. Nothing is changing - no new enlightenment even after the new replacements - so yeah, I've just about had it with D1.)
(Yes, I know. Impatience shouldn't be a reason to lynch someone, but I'm dying here. It's been around 5 days since I last posted. Nothing is changing - no new enlightenment even after the new replacements - so yeah, I've just about had it with D1.)
I find it significantly harder to have new revelations as a replacement. You're in catchup mode from the start, not reread mode.
Day 1 lasting more than a month is not productive, and there's not much new discussion occuring, so I'm setting a deadline for Monday, August 31. If no one has reached a majority of the votes by then, it will be a no lynch. I am not likely to rescind this deadline, so make it snappy.
I understand that it's hard with this many replacements so early, but hopefully a new day will offer new material.
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Pale Mage makes an excellent point regarding Charm Master's typical style, and he does wig out at any sign of pressure. He about had a heart-attack when I started the bus in his direction during Fiasco Corp. I agree with his assessment of CM's early play.
Hm.
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The problem here is that we have a significant divide in the player base; we have several analysts in the game now and several people who can't be bothered to post. I can see both sides of the argument involving Kraj and Andelijah, I don't think Xyre is scum, and PM has vastly improved my opinion from his predecessor.
You went from including Xyre in your top 3, to not being willing to vote for him, with no major posts or analysis in between those two reads. Why?
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My list of suspects is now quite narrow: Netfinity and Abandon Hope. The former for taking what seems to be an artificial shot at Azrael, then mostly agreeing with what he's said, and a number of "back later" posts. The latter for his complete and utter lack of anything regarding content.
Vote: Netfinity
Hm.
I'm not well-pleased with Netfinity, but his record is much less impressive than Xyre's. I'd prefer to give netfinity more time to blossom.
The problem here is that we have a significant divide in the player base; we have several analysts in the game now and several people who can't be bothered to post. I can see both sides of the argument involving Kraj and Andelijah, I don't think Xyre is scum, and PM has vastly improved my opinion from his predecessor.
My list of suspects is now quite narrow: Netfinity and Abandon Hope. The former for taking what seems to be an artificial shot at Azrael, then mostly agreeing with what he's said, and a number of "back later" posts. The latter for his complete and utter lack of anything regarding content.
You're right. It's a problem that maintains itself. The more vociferous good analysts are, the less the can't be bothered crowd has to say. I could repeat myself, but I'm not in love with my own words. Most of the dead horses we're beating fall into the category of interesting things I don't have any support for. My content then becomes shutting up and letting things take their course. Good for you for noticing, but if you could just have put the two things together.
You're right. It's a problem that maintains itself. The more vociferous good analysts are, the less the can't be bothered crowd has to say. I could repeat myself, but I'm not in love with my own words. Most of the dead horses we're beating fall into the category of interesting things I don't have any support for. My content then becomes shutting up and letting things take their course. Good for you for noticing, but if you could just have put the two things together.
...so what would you rather be talking about? We're under deadline, you know.
@AH: Your sarcastic retort is not helpful. Would you care to provide any input of your own, or do I understand right that you intend to let the "analysts" do all the work?
@Azrael: The post where I talked about role-reversal with Xyre and Goatrevolt from the basic game sums up where I'm at on Xyre. This game reminds me much more of his town play there than the counter-example you seem to think it provides.
@Mod: Can we please get a prod on Netfinity? It's been eight days since his last post.
I have received a mod prod, but feel I have said everything I have to say. The past two pages of wall of text haven't really raised an flags in my mind, and I still believe I had more than enough reason for my Xyre vote before this post. Barring any drastic changes (which I doubt should arrise) I am extremely content to leave my vote on Xyre. There are naturally other players that draw suspicion to themselves, but I feel the case on Xyre should have been shut days ago.
There is little point in following up on points that will turn into some sort of "yes you did" "no I didn't" type of argument.
Indeed. Except I've backed up my statements with evidence while you have for the most part just made generalities or used evidence that failed to prove your point.
OMGUS is a weak tell with certain specific player exceptions. And had I called you out for OMGUS, you would have pointed immediately to your earlier stance on Charm Master and claimed otherwise.
Note the wording here. He doesn't say he didn't call me out on OMGUS because it wasn't actually OMGUS, he says he didn't because I would have been able to easily defend the point. Granted this is nitpicking semantics, but it very well could be an indicator of his mindset while composing his reponse.
I'm not thrilled with Skander, here. He said he didn't think Xyre is scum and was specifically looking forward to DYH's perspective, then voted Xyre presumably for the sake of activity, but has no reaction when DYH agrees that Xyre isn't scum.
I've had enough suspicions of Netfinity to supoprt his wagon but I much prefer andelijah. I don't think AH makes sense as a lynch at this point unless we're down to the deadline and we can't agree on a better lynch. I have no interest in voting Xyre at this point.
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@AH: Your sarcastic retort is not helpful. Would you care to provide any input of your own, or do I understand right that you intend to let the "analysts" do all the work?
Please reread my post without a sarcastic tone. None was intended.
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HATE andelijah's post - basically the only one he ISN'T suspicious of is PhantomS.
The only time andelijah is ever this noncommittal is as scum, and having played multiple games of mafia, both as his scumbuddy, and against him when he's scum, I'm pretty confident in adding him to my scumlist. As it stands right now:
#1 Xyre
#2 Andelijah
#3 Abandon Hope
#4 Toastboy
And a distant #5 on Kraj.
Everyone else I have neutral or townish reads on.
Happy to lynch any of the top 4. If we could decide before Thursday (US time) on who to lynch, that would be awesome, otherwise I'll have to leave a vote on someone and the next time I have internet may be the following tuesday.
I think most of the players in the game are guilty of the first point, not just Kraj.
Minus the fact that the second set pretty much describes Az in a nutshell, the "not pushing his suspects" (I believe he means kpaca here) has been evaluated before. The insults in this post are quite tame and don't indicate anything to me, and I don't see the scum tell in not taking things seriously. Same goes for the third point.
The last one is plain wrong - the list of players there are people who reacted to his vote-trap in some way or another, and indeed he refers to several of them as townish.
As for the subsequent quote, I'm not seeing it. This is a quintessential example of a stream of consciousness list. Granted, if we saw a series of these with few strong opinions, I'd be more suspicious, but just one of these (which isn't even a strong example, no less - he does express opinions, albeit occasionally convoluted ones) doesn't make me rethink my position on Kraj.
- As for Kraj's response... I think the vote here strays into OMGUS. Unless he thinks andelijah's post was deliberately wrong, which I doubt. His responses are good, though.
What bugs me a bit about this post is the tone, of which the OMGUS post is a clear example. I don't think Kraj was ever this irritated in the interaction with me, though I need to double-check that. My current theory is that this irritation here is genuine townie-facing-what-he-perceives-to-be-a-bad-case irritation.
I still have andelijah in the leaning-town pile, though after this interaction I'm less sure. I have no idea why a scum andelijah would put a vote on Kraj and then back it up several pages later, though.
My current theory is that this irritation here is genuine townie-facing-what-he-perceives-to-be-a-bad-case irritation.
Not a bad case, a scummy case. Your case on me was bad, but I felt it was honest. The majority of Azrael's attack on me was a fair analysis of the scummy-looking things I said. There's very little in andelijah's case that makes me feel he actually believed the points he made against me, or that he did any research on the facts he claims.
I have no idea why a scum andelijah would put a vote on Kraj and then back it up several pages later, though.
My theory is that he didn't want to be seen jumping on the easiest wagon (you) as soon as he entered the game, but he still wanted to attack a vulnerable player. He certainly didn't do anything to distance himself from your wagon either.
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We have five days. Netfinity, our second strongest suspect, is nowhere in sight.
This is a situation where we need consolidate votes on our leading wagon, and terminate it. There's no question he's done enough to merit it.
Finish him.
There's too much skulking about in the shadows for my liking, Az. I'm not fond of the voices who aren't enthused about this lynch keeping quiet for days on end. A few pokes aren't going to kill us.
I'm all for random pokes, but there's not enough time left to apply credible pressure to anyone. If we leave our votes split for much longer, we risk a no lynch.
I'm all for random pokes, but there's not enough time left to apply credible pressure to anyone. If we leave our votes split for much longer, we risk a no lynch.
I'm all for random pokes, but there's not enough time left to apply credible pressure to anyone. If we leave our votes split for much longer, we risk a no lynch.
We have a couple of days before this is a real concern. We will be lynching today.
I'm not fond of Andelijah's responses. Some of them are legitimate complaints, but most of those legitimate complaints were to minor, weak points in the first place. Furthermore, he seems to be overlooking the implication behind much of Kraj's arguments, e.g. why exactly he produced a jokey, underexplained post when he voted for Toastboy.
I'm not used to seeing this out of andelijah, who's a strong analyst who now seems to be reduced to one-liners for reasons that baffle me. It may be the theory debate on long-versus-short posts, but the mix of weak and strong is baffling. I don't know if I believe Kraj's argument was strong, but these are not good responses.
I see nothing to look at in Kraj's post, most of which is requests for more detail, so onto Andelijah's post 448. Immediately we get this:
There is little point in following up on points that will turn into some sort of "yes you did" "no I didn't" type of argument.
I hate this argument. Hate hate hate it. Considering the flow of the argument, I suspect A. may have wanted to cut his losses, especially after his previous argument which played right into the archetype he dissuades above. There's another one in "There is nothing to debate here." Where this differs from, say, my attacks on Kraj and WoD is the difference between "I understand your point" and "We will never agree". They both sound conciliatory, but the former actually concedes something, while the other merely concedes the nature of debate.
The rest of the post is one-liners or close approximations, none of which give me any information to make a decision with.
This, right now, feels like an example of a weak case meets worse overreaction. I still feel Netfinity a bit more, but considering Andelijah is available, if the mod isn't willing to give us an extension and replacement (and he really should), I would be open to moving over to Andelijah.
I'm all for random pokes, but there's not enough time left to apply credible pressure to anyone. If we leave our votes split for much longer, we risk a no lynch.
Classic fearmongering. I've played this game for four years now, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a day end in a no lynch due to indecision (and most of those were back on 'News, where everyone lurked).
Did you ever respond to my responses to your case on me?
I hate this argument. Hate hate hate it. Considering the flow of the argument, I suspect A. may have wanted to cut his losses, especially after his previous argument which played right into the archetype he dissuades above. There's another one in "There is nothing to debate here." Where this differs from, say, my attacks on Kraj and WoD is the difference between "I understand your point" and "We will never agree". They both sound conciliatory, but the former actually concedes something, while the other merely concedes the nature of debate.
*snip*
I would be open to moving over to Andelijah.
There is a certain point at which further conversation provides negligible informational value. I do not find Andelijah's recognition of this reality disturbing, or scummy.
You've polarized the town pretty neatly, and two of the days before deadline are the weekend. Timely reminders and planning ahead are part of why no lynches remain so rare.
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Did you ever respond to my responses to your case on me?
How many more eyes must bleed to slake your thirst for blood, Xyre?
You can cite me specific questions you'd like answered, but the flow of useful behavioral information from these TL; Did Read posts has dropped to a trickle.
There is a certain point at which further conversation provides negligible informational value. I do not find Andelijah's recognition of this reality disturbing, or scummy.
The difference was that there never was any conversation. A. provided a thesis, reiterated that thesis, and then said "we're never gonna agree so let's just leave it alone". The informational value of that conversation was at zero even before A. kicked out. That suggests to me that he didn't really care about the conversation in the first place.
You've polarized the town pretty neatly, and two of the days before deadline are the weekend. Timely reminders and planning ahead are part of why no lynches remain so rare.
Heh, "polarized the town". Cute.
Maybe if you provided everyone with some alternative targets rather than hitting us over the head with your suspicion of me at every turn, we wouldn't be in the position we are in right now. I don't think you've voted for any other person in weeks.
How many more eyes must bleed to slake your thirst for blood, Xyre?
You can cite me specific questions you'd like answered, but the flow of useful behavioral information from these TL; Did Read posts has dropped to a trickle.
Looked back at 417, didn't find anything I needed answering. Which isn't to say, though, that your case isn't still shoddy as hell. I know when I'm not going to get a straight answer.
Looked back at 417, didn't find anything I needed answering. Which isn't to say, though, that your case isn't still shoddy as hell. I know when I'm not going to get a straight answer.
This suggests you didn't really care about the conversation in the first place.
Boo hiss. Looking for a replacement for Netfinity now, I will extend the deadline to next week, providing I find a replacement in a timely fashion. You all have until next Friday, Sept 4, to choose.
Any interested parties reading the thread, PM me if you're interested in replacing.
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@AH: What, specifically, do you not like about WoD? What other "rational choices" could emerge? Why are you being so vague?
Extension - good; Xyre's last set of posts - bad.
The potshot at WoD is weak. Do you think it's a scummy action? Or just wanting to make him look worse? There's no context provided, just a snarky remark.
Andelijah hasn't been a wordy analyst for quite some time. He's changed his playstyle significantly from when he first started the game, preferring short posts with direct questions. Not sold on the logic about Andelijah.
Then to accuse Azrael of fearmongering? Really?
Your recent posts come across as desperate and self-serving, stemming from a "I don't want to be lynched" mentality rather than "I'm going to find scum" one.
Yay. So everyone who has bothered to comment pretty much is saying "andelijah's case is awful, but not scummy. Kraj's response is over-eager, but not scummy." How helpful.
I've mostly avoided Xyre's wagon because I felt his attacks on me were townie. But I don't see another lynch realistically happening and I don't care for his recent posts either. After all his analysis on the me-vs-andelijah situation he basically ends up saying the same thing as Azrael and others have already said. He also finishes by saying that my overreaction was worse than andelijah's case but he'd be willing to vote andelijah, which really makes me wonder if he just wanted to take my side because I'm basically the only one vocally not supporting his wagon.
My gut-read on his attack of me just isn't enough to justify resisting Xyre's lynch anymore, especially when it's clear the only player I really want to see lynched won't be.
Unvote, Vote: Xyre
As far as Netfinity goes, there are some good points against him but there's not enough for me to be confident in voting him, nor do I have confidence in trusting the players who are voting him or likely to vote him - Xyre, DYH, Pale Mage, AH, andelijah - except DYH. Whereas I'm leaning town on everyone on Xyre's wagon except kpaca.
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After all his analysis on the me-vs-andelijah situation he basically ends up saying the same thing as Azrael and others have already said. He also finishes by saying that my overreaction was worse than andelijah's case but he'd be willing to vote andelijah, which really makes me wonder if he just wanted to take my side because I'm basically the only one vocally not supporting his wagon.
Yeah, the Andelijah series of posts is pretty much a microcosm of what he's been doing all day. Mouthing others' analysis, kissing up to townies, dismissing his attackers, bitterness and fatalism. Good quality stuff.
DYH is a cool cat for me.
Let's just lynch someone already.
Netfinity
Xyre
AH
are all good by me.
(Yes, I know. Impatience shouldn't be a reason to lynch someone, but I'm dying here. It's been around 5 days since I last posted. Nothing is changing - no new enlightenment even after the new replacements - so yeah, I've just about had it with D1.)
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Kraj's answers are on target, but the vehemence of the response is alarming.
Hm.
You went from including Xyre in your top 3, to not being willing to vote for him, with no major posts or analysis in between those two reads. Why?
Hm.
I'm not well-pleased with Netfinity, but his record is much less impressive than Xyre's. I'd prefer to give netfinity more time to blossom.
...so what would you rather be talking about? We're under deadline, you know.
@Azrael: The post where I talked about role-reversal with Xyre and Goatrevolt from the basic game sums up where I'm at on Xyre. This game reminds me much more of his town play there than the counter-example you seem to think it provides.
@Mod: Can we please get a prod on Netfinity? It's been eight days since his last post.
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He's the first player I've felt strongly enough about to actually push.
Some other fun stuff:
Indeed. Except I've backed up my statements with evidence while you have for the most part just made generalities or used evidence that failed to prove your point.
Note the wording here. He doesn't say he didn't call me out on OMGUS because it wasn't actually OMGUS, he says he didn't because I would have been able to easily defend the point. Granted this is nitpicking semantics, but it very well could be an indicator of his mindset while composing his reponse.
I'm not thrilled with Skander, here. He said he didn't think Xyre is scum and was specifically looking forward to DYH's perspective, then voted Xyre presumably for the sake of activity, but has no reaction when DYH agrees that Xyre isn't scum.
I've had enough suspicions of Netfinity to supoprt his wagon but I much prefer andelijah. I don't think AH makes sense as a lynch at this point unless we're down to the deadline and we can't agree on a better lynch. I have no interest in voting Xyre at this point.
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HATE andelijah's post - basically the only one he ISN'T suspicious of is PhantomS.
The only time andelijah is ever this noncommittal is as scum, and having played multiple games of mafia, both as his scumbuddy, and against him when he's scum, I'm pretty confident in adding him to my scumlist. As it stands right now:
#1 Xyre
#2 Andelijah
#3 Abandon Hope
#4 Toastboy
And a distant #5 on Kraj.
Everyone else I have neutral or townish reads on.
Happy to lynch any of the top 4. If we could decide before Thursday (US time) on who to lynch, that would be awesome, otherwise I'll have to leave a vote on someone and the next time I have internet may be the following tuesday.
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How's that second look coming?
Reading comprehension, ftw.
But uh, WoD: which post of andelijah's are you referring to?
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Okay.
One question: can you simply tell me what your desired course of action is in the face of an impending deadline?
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Well, here's the first part.
- Consider ande's original list of suspicions of Kraj.
This is a really poor list in my view, because:
I think most of the players in the game are guilty of the first point, not just Kraj.
Minus the fact that the second set pretty much describes Az in a nutshell, the "not pushing his suspects" (I believe he means kpaca here) has been evaluated before. The insults in this post are quite tame and don't indicate anything to me, and I don't see the scum tell in not taking things seriously. Same goes for the third point.
The last one is plain wrong - the list of players there are people who reacted to his vote-trap in some way or another, and indeed he refers to several of them as townish.
As for the subsequent quote, I'm not seeing it. This is a quintessential example of a stream of consciousness list. Granted, if we saw a series of these with few strong opinions, I'd be more suspicious, but just one of these (which isn't even a strong example, no less - he does express opinions, albeit occasionally convoluted ones) doesn't make me rethink my position on Kraj.
- As for Kraj's response... I think the vote here strays into OMGUS. Unless he thinks andelijah's post was deliberately wrong, which I doubt. His responses are good, though.
What bugs me a bit about this post is the tone, of which the OMGUS post is a clear example. I don't think Kraj was ever this irritated in the interaction with me, though I need to double-check that. My current theory is that this irritation here is genuine townie-facing-what-he-perceives-to-be-a-bad-case irritation.
I still have andelijah in the leaning-town pile, though after this interaction I'm less sure. I have no idea why a scum andelijah would put a vote on Kraj and then back it up several pages later, though.
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Not a bad case, a scummy case. Your case on me was bad, but I felt it was honest. The majority of Azrael's attack on me was a fair analysis of the scummy-looking things I said. There's very little in andelijah's case that makes me feel he actually believed the points he made against me, or that he did any research on the facts he claims.
My theory is that he didn't want to be seen jumping on the easiest wagon (you) as soon as he entered the game, but he still wanted to attack a vulnerable player. He certainly didn't do anything to distance himself from your wagon either.
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Seriously, please stop ignoring my posts, and provide reasons, or stop pointing the finger.
Thanks.
Bitter much?
Bitter and dismissive.
If you like WoD, maybe you should try and convince me. Or something.
This is a situation where we need consolidate votes on our leading wagon, and terminate it. There's no question he's done enough to merit it.
Finish him.
There's too much skulking about in the shadows for my liking, Az. I'm not fond of the voices who aren't enthused about this lynch keeping quiet for days on end. A few pokes aren't going to kill us.
Everyone, please vote already.
Right.
I am still quite confident in the Netfinity wagon. What we need is a replacement for Net and deadline extension. What do you think, mod?
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You are an irony machine, Wrath of DoG.
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We have a couple of days before this is a real concern. We will be lynching today.
I'm not fond of Andelijah's responses. Some of them are legitimate complaints, but most of those legitimate complaints were to minor, weak points in the first place. Furthermore, he seems to be overlooking the implication behind much of Kraj's arguments, e.g. why exactly he produced a jokey, underexplained post when he voted for Toastboy.
I'm not used to seeing this out of andelijah, who's a strong analyst who now seems to be reduced to one-liners for reasons that baffle me. It may be the theory debate on long-versus-short posts, but the mix of weak and strong is baffling. I don't know if I believe Kraj's argument was strong, but these are not good responses.
I see nothing to look at in Kraj's post, most of which is requests for more detail, so onto Andelijah's post 448. Immediately we get this:
I hate this argument. Hate hate hate it. Considering the flow of the argument, I suspect A. may have wanted to cut his losses, especially after his previous argument which played right into the archetype he dissuades above. There's another one in "There is nothing to debate here." Where this differs from, say, my attacks on Kraj and WoD is the difference between "I understand your point" and "We will never agree". They both sound conciliatory, but the former actually concedes something, while the other merely concedes the nature of debate.
The rest of the post is one-liners or close approximations, none of which give me any information to make a decision with.
This, right now, feels like an example of a weak case meets worse overreaction. I still feel Netfinity a bit more, but considering Andelijah is available, if the mod isn't willing to give us an extension and replacement (and he really should), I would be open to moving over to Andelijah.
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Classic fearmongering. I've played this game for four years now, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a day end in a no lynch due to indecision (and most of those were back on 'News, where everyone lurked).
Did you ever respond to my responses to your case on me?
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
There is a certain point at which further conversation provides negligible informational value. I do not find Andelijah's recognition of this reality disturbing, or scummy.
You've polarized the town pretty neatly, and two of the days before deadline are the weekend. Timely reminders and planning ahead are part of why no lynches remain so rare.
How many more eyes must bleed to slake your thirst for blood, Xyre?
You can cite me specific questions you'd like answered, but the flow of useful behavioral information from these TL; Did Read posts has dropped to a trickle.
The difference was that there never was any conversation. A. provided a thesis, reiterated that thesis, and then said "we're never gonna agree so let's just leave it alone". The informational value of that conversation was at zero even before A. kicked out. That suggests to me that he didn't really care about the conversation in the first place.
Heh, "polarized the town". Cute.
Maybe if you provided everyone with some alternative targets rather than hitting us over the head with your suspicion of me at every turn, we wouldn't be in the position we are in right now. I don't think you've voted for any other person in weeks.
Looked back at 417, didn't find anything I needed answering. Which isn't to say, though, that your case isn't still shoddy as hell. I know when I'm not going to get a straight answer.
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
You're the only one I need, darling.
I've made my suspicions plain, but it's til death do us part, as far as my vote for today is concerned.
This suggests you didn't really care about the conversation in the first place.
Any interested parties reading the thread, PM me if you're interested in replacing.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Extension - good; Xyre's last set of posts - bad.
The potshot at WoD is weak. Do you think it's a scummy action? Or just wanting to make him look worse? There's no context provided, just a snarky remark.
Andelijah hasn't been a wordy analyst for quite some time. He's changed his playstyle significantly from when he first started the game, preferring short posts with direct questions. Not sold on the logic about Andelijah.
Then to accuse Azrael of fearmongering? Really?
Your recent posts come across as desperate and self-serving, stemming from a "I don't want to be lynched" mentality rather than "I'm going to find scum" one.
Was the deadline getting to you?
I think so; the question is why.
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I've mostly avoided Xyre's wagon because I felt his attacks on me were townie. But I don't see another lynch realistically happening and I don't care for his recent posts either. After all his analysis on the me-vs-andelijah situation he basically ends up saying the same thing as Azrael and others have already said. He also finishes by saying that my overreaction was worse than andelijah's case but he'd be willing to vote andelijah, which really makes me wonder if he just wanted to take my side because I'm basically the only one vocally not supporting his wagon.
My gut-read on his attack of me just isn't enough to justify resisting Xyre's lynch anymore, especially when it's clear the only player I really want to see lynched won't be.
Unvote, Vote: Xyre
As far as Netfinity goes, there are some good points against him but there's not enough for me to be confident in voting him, nor do I have confidence in trusting the players who are voting him or likely to vote him - Xyre, DYH, Pale Mage, AH, andelijah - except DYH. Whereas I'm leaning town on everyone on Xyre's wagon except kpaca.
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She knows why.
I'm agnostic on that point, actually. Something I'll dip into tomorrow, perhaps. You're not an easy read.
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She knows why.
Yeah, the Andelijah series of posts is pretty much a microcosm of what he's been doing all day. Mouthing others' analysis, kissing up to townies, dismissing his attackers, bitterness and fatalism. Good quality stuff.
Only a scum would dance at that remark. To the gallows!