ande: Is that not a very lazy plan? (and given what Ace has been saying, I think it would be incredibly incredibly unfair to call this "dropping out under pressure", at least not under game pressure).
It is not unfair to call this "dropping out under pressure" in the least, it describes the situation accurately.
"Dropping out because of pressure" is a different story. The latter I would recommend probation for, the former I am simply advocating continuing with the lynch.
It is not unfair to call this "dropping out under pressure" in the least, it describes the situation accurately.
"Dropping out because of pressure" is a different story. The latter I would recommend probation for, the former I am simply advocating continuing with the lynch.
BS. Dropping out under these circumstances should not affect the lynch at all either way. If there was already a consensus to lynch it would be one thing. Instead for the second time today you have taken the laziest option possible to get someone killed. Really not looking good for you
BS. Dropping out under these circumstances should not affect the lynch at all either way. If there was already a consensus to lynch it would be one thing. Instead for the second time today you have taken the laziest option possible to get someone killed. Really not looking good for you
Agreed. The vote count previous to andelijah's post was 4 for Ace, with a few more expressing interest in the wagon. Hardly a consensus that Ace was scum. I'm thinking a re-read on andelijah might be in order.
As to no one having a reason to lie this early in the game, I would say that is complete horse****.
Okay? Eco even goes to say "this isn't auto-town" and your original vote wasn't because he was the day-doc, you used the fact that he claimed it to try and keep on, which is the original post I had problems with.
However afterwards I realized you're the RB'er who came out with a block on A_E so LOL not as suspicious now.
Still, explain why you unvoted.
Also I obviously disagree with your "people will lie" because scum try to lie as little as possible, and this early on, there's practically no reason to do so since there's been one night, and there's little reason to be afraid to be caught in a lie. It's fine that we disagree, but this is my stance.
BS. Dropping out under these circumstances should not affect the lynch at all either way. If there was already a consensus to lynch it would be one thing. Instead for the second time today you have taken the laziest option possible to get someone killed. Really not looking good for you
I am moving to get my top 3 suspects lynched. I dropped Archmage Eternal for now due to lack of support (since somehow his claim is clearing), can't go after Wrath of Dog because he is getting vigged, and now Ace is replacing out.
I think Ace is scum. I think it would be a waste of our, the mod's, and especially the replacement's time to have him replace in and be immediately wagoned potentially to a lynch.
As for "there are only 4 people voting him" - you failed to look at the non-voters. Combined, there are 9 people who are currently voting or who stated they are willing to vote Ace.
Actually doing a reread of Ace, PM has brought up a lot of good points. His last post with the barbie defense is really god awful and does nothing to make think better of him.
See, no one is saying you should be doing that instead. The point is that one would expect a townie to weigh in on important matters, not that they would do that to the exclusion of everything else. Scumhunting elsewhere when you're not sold on the most prominent wagon is all well and good, but avoiding adding anything to the discussion on the most prominent wagon is not. andelijah's comment about Guardman having "conviction under pressure" is a reasonable point, but I can't say it sells me on his innocence.
I do like PM's case on Ace though. Depending on how he responds, I may move my vote.
I agree with the recent case and pressure on Ace. Heck, I outlined 568 posts ago the reasons I felt he was scum, and certainly nothing has changed from then until now that would nullify this scum points and make him appear more townie. In regards to Guardman from my post 310, I still feel he's scum and the above post is likely a bus IMO. Either way, he's trying to redirect attention off of himself as best as possible, and realistically, one is just a better lynch than the other.
On Ace: PM's summary is pretty strong, and Ace's defence lacking in any real strength.
I am happy to support pressure on Ace and Guardman, and will move my vote to Ace if the wagon overtakes Guardman's.
(remaining two being Pale Mage and ced, both of whom have votes on Ace)
So far there are 3 people who have stated the opposite read (Jobie, Ged, RafaelK).
I think Ace is scum. I think it would be a waste of our, the mod's, and especially the replacement's time to have him replace in and be immediately wagoned potentially to a lynch.
Yes, what a waste of time to get someone to take his place, provide thoughts on the game, and actually be able to claim when within range and possibly provide useful information. Yup, much better to just speed lynch him and move on to night.
As for "there are only 4 people voting him" - you failed to look at the non-voters. Combined, there are 9 people who are currently voting or who stated they are willing to vote Ace.
Nope, didn't fail to look at that at all. Nice of you to mention the first half of my sentence and not the second half. Of those 5 people who are "willing to vote Ace", two of them simply expressed interest and a perhaps a willingness to vote provided Ace's response was insufficient to sway (I should know; I was one of those two). So you have 4 votes, 3 "I'll probably vote", and 2 "wagon may have merit" out of 20 non-Ace players. Again, I'd hardly call that a consensus.
I'm not sure what to make of the Ace wagon. I didn't think much of it initially, but his response to it, through the various forms of deflection, etc, was as scummy as possible.
But now he's disappeared. I don't think that the case against him warrants him being lynched, but his replacement will have to bear close scrutiny.
I also think that Andelijah is being extremely opportunistic, in a scummy way, here.
Honestly andel your last couple of posts have been horrible. Your reasoning on why to lynch Ace has been horrible, and your reasoning about the three possible corses is appalling. They really fail to take into account his RL reasoning for wanting to replace, which knowing this situation for a while now, is perfectly reasonable and should not have any affect on Ace.
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset. Not to mention seems awfully opportunistic.
It's just a bit hard to muster enthusiasm when I know it's a foregone conclusion that I die tonight.
I still like Guardman, but also Ace, or Andelijah for today's lynch, the former's blatant switching from Ace to Andelijah, while understandable, given the scumminess of the other two, is just a bit too opportunistic for my liking.
Andelijah's "we have 3 options" post just REEKS of scum distancing, and Ace, well, we all know what is bad about Ace.
Also don't like Cyan. Since when does he ever express suspicion without a vote?
I am moving to get my top 3 suspects lynched. I dropped Archmage Eternal for now due to lack of support (since somehow his claim is clearing), can't go after Wrath of Dog because he is getting vigged, and now Ace is replacing out.
I think Ace is scum. I think it would be a waste of our, the mod's, and especially the replacement's time to have him replace in and be immediately wagoned potentially to a lynch.
Yes, why bother wagoning someone potentially to a lynch when you can just squelch him before he gets the opportunity to actually reply
As for "there are only 4 people voting him" - you failed to look at the non-voters. Combined, there are 9 people who are currently voting or who stated they are willing to vote Ace.
Compared to how many for, say, Guardman?
As for the 9 figure (yay dodgy maths), TMT has done a good job of poking holes.
So far there are 3 people who have stated the opposite read (Jobie, Ged, RafaelK).
For the record, I haven't stated the opposite read on Ace; I'm just not interested in lynching his role summarily out of convenience.
Hopefully, WoD's daykill is fake. If not, I guess the next step comes down to whether Ged can still effectively nightkill WoD without Cyan alive, or whether we need to lynch WoD, bu twe can talk about that if it actually comes up.
That would be particularly ironic, if it were real. But I don't think it is. You wouldn't call it a 'foregone conclusion' that you're dead tonight if you were just going to kill me.
Though I suppose that Ged can just finish you off anyway.
Also, did you just essentially accuse three people of being scum and 2 of them of trying to bus each other(and the third guy)? That would be quite the spectacular feat. I think that you're just trying to create a huge mess of WIFOM for when you turn up as dead scum tomorrow.
I'm kind of away, since I'm packing for college, but I have been keeping up.
With regards to Ace, since he's kind of the wagon of the moment, I feel like I have to give him the benefit of the doubt with the RL situation he's briefly touched on. I think we should keep an eye on whoever replaces him, so I'm not giving him a full free pass, but for the most part I've felt preoccupied townie from him.
Since DC was confused I'll try to reiterate how my RL situation is. I'm moving out of my parents house tomorrow and into my apartment on Sunday (6 hour drive, ftl). Then on Tuesday I start Marching Band rehearsals all-day until Saturday, and then Monday the 24th I begin classes. So for the next week and a half I will have limited activity, sorry.
...that was something like the barest minimum of content possible. That it's a defence of Ace is not encouraging.
Agreed. The vote count previous to andelijah's post was 4 for Ace, with a few more expressing interest in the wagon. Hardly a consensus that Ace was scum. I'm thinking a re-read on andelijah might be in order.
To be fair, I was only holding my vote pending votecount, and I do have a double-vote today. That would have brought Ace very nicely into claim range.
I do agree, however, that we should wait for a replacement who can actually claim. Let me ask, though -- who actually thinks that Ace should not be lynched, given his utterly fake responses the entirety of today?
Honestly andel your last couple of posts have been horrible. Your reasoning on why to lynch Ace has been horrible, and your reasoning about the three possible corses is appalling. They really fail to take into account his RL reasoning for wanting to replace, which knowing this situation for a while now, is perfectly reasonable and should not have any affect on Ace.
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset. Not to mention seems awfully opportunistic.
Unvote Ace
Vote andelijah
...I swear, I just finish telling RafK that you're not following trends blindly and swallowing other people's reasoning to bandwagon, and you do it. Twice, to boot.
I'm beginning to think Ecophagy has a point about you. In fact...
It's just a bit hard to muster enthusiasm when I know it's a foregone conclusion that I die tonight.
I still like Guardman, but also Ace, or Andelijah for today's lynch, the former's blatant switching from Ace to Andelijah, while understandable, given the scumminess of the other two, is just a bit too opportunistic for my liking.
Andelijah's "we have 3 options" post just REEKS of scum distancing, and Ace, well, we all know what is bad about Ace.
Also don't like Cyan. Since when does he ever express suspicion without a vote?
Daykill Cyan.
......it's times like this that make me wish I could get the daykill...
Ged: If the above is actually true, can you finish off WoD tonight?
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...come to think of it, ced395... could I have your current opinions on Jobie and NightArcher?
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To be fair, I was only holding my vote pending votecount, and I do have a double-vote today. That would have brought Ace very nicely into claim range.
I do agree, however, that we should wait for a replacement who can actually claim. Let me ask, though -- who actually thinks that Ace should not be lynched, given his utterly fake responses the entirety of today?
I did forget your double-vote when I was counting things up. Yeah, he'd be heading for claim range, but still certainly not what I'd call enough town consensus to warrant stringing him before he or his replacement can even claim (which it seems we agree on). I can certainly see us lynching him today, but not before we get a chance to hear from him or his replacement.
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...I swear, I just finish telling RafK that you're not following trends blindly and swallowing other people's reasoning to bandwagon, and you do it. Twice, to boot.
I'm beginning to think Ecophagy has a point about you. In fact...
Unvote: Jobie
Vote: Guardman
Yeah, Guardman's not looking any better to me either.
Yes, what a waste of time to get someone to take his place, provide thoughts on the game, and actually be able to claim when within range and possibly provide useful information. Yup, much better to just speed lynch him and move on to night.
I'm looking at it from the replacement's perspective: he reads 1000 posts (it'll at least be there by the time DYH even finds one), you get to give your quick opinions on everyone before being wagoned for play you can't really defend and possibly lynched, wasting his entire effort.
This is even assuming he's town, something I highly doubt.
As I said, the other approach is to let Ace be replaced and back off of him until his replacement commits scum tells where we can wagon him for that. And again, since I think he is scum, I think this is a subpar plan.
Nope, didn't fail to look at that at all. Nice of you to mention the first half of my sentence and not the second half. Of those 5 people who are "willing to vote Ace", two of them simply expressed interest and a perhaps a willingness to vote provided Ace's response was insufficient to sway (I should know; I was one of those two). So you have 4 votes, 3 "I'll probably vote", and 2 "wagon may have merit" out of 20 non-Ace players. Again, I'd hardly call that a consensus.
Then you didn't read my post. 9 leaning to definitely pro-voting Ace vs 3 (Edit: 2 - RafaelK said otherwise) who gave the opposite read. 8 non-Ace players hadn't bothered to give their opinion. Of those who did, voting Ace was a vast majority.
Honestly andel your last couple of posts have been horrible. Your reasoning on why to lynch Ace has been horrible, and your reasoning about the three possible corses is appalling. They really fail to take into account his RL reasoning for wanting to replace, which knowing this situation for a while now, is perfectly reasonable and should not have any affect on Ace.
His real life reason is irrelevant. I think he is scum, and I think he needs to be lynched. Believing it is unfair to force a replacement to come in and be lynched, I am advocating continuing without one. If there isn't enough support for a lynch anyways, the point becomes moot, but that's not going to make me move my vote.
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset.
...I swear, I just finish telling RafK that you're not following trends blindly and swallowing other people's reasoning to bandwagon, and you do it. Twice, to boot.
Indeed. Leaped like a salmon onto the alternative wagon, and whoever said that he was not playing like he did in Persona, would you like another go?
Indeed. Leaped like a salmon onto the alternative wagon, and whoever said that he was not playing like he did in Persona, would you like another go?
That was me, and from me mentioning it, I think it can be assumed I stand corrected.
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Okay? Eco even goes to say "this isn't auto-town" and your original vote wasn't because he was the day-doc, you used the fact that he claimed it to try and keep on, which is the original post I had problems with.
However afterwards I realized you're the RB'er who came out with a block on A_E so LOL not as suspicious now.
Still, explain why you unvoted.
Because I was clearly wrong in trying to speculate about his role, and my roleblock info is just not that good compared to Eco's information lining up with AE's. I don't feel I could be justify to keep my vote on him.
The way I see it, there are three options as to what to do with Ace:
1) Lynch him without a replacement.
2) Replace him and keep the pressure up with a possibility of a lynch.
3) Replace him and back off.
I don't like 3) as I think Ace is scum, and I don't like rewarding dropping out under pressure (with a valid excuse or not). 2) seems unfair to the replacement as they will both have to read knowing they could die later that day and defend against accusations against another player. That and DYH seems to be having trouble finding a replacement for Wuffles already, finding a second might take a considerable amount of time.
Therefore, I propose 1).
Vote: Ace
Boo. Hiss.
I'd much rather have a replacement come in despite my feelings about Ace. If I'm wrong I get the opportunity to see that and change my mind (and even if I don't I get some insight from a fresh pair of eyes). If I'm not wrong, I may get something other info. Either way, lynching Ace when he's requested replacement is in the long run depriving us of information.
It's just a bit hard to muster enthusiasm when I know it's a foregone conclusion that I die tonight.
Really? You can't win when you're dead? If you win with the town, you help move the ball forward until it's over. Keeping quiet doesn't help.
I still like Guardman, but also Ace, or Andelijah for today's lynch, the former's blatant switching from Ace to Andelijah, while understandable, given the scumminess of the other two, is just a bit too opportunistic for my liking.
Andelijah's "we have 3 options" post just REEKS of scum distancing, and Ace, well, we all know what is bad about Ace.
Also don't like Cyan. Since when does he ever express suspicion without a vote?
Daykill Cyan.
Since DYH has posted and I don't see a death scene, I'll assume Cyan is in fact still with us. However, why would you fire even a blank at Cyan if you're so suspicious of Ande?
After a reread of the last few pages, I have to admit the cases for voting both Ace and Guardman seem followable. I do want to give Ace's replacement a chance to speak for himself though, so I'll probably be looking at Guardman in isolation and seeing what I think of him.
Ugh. AE's posts haven't made me feel any better about him. His "my complete lack of content is no reason to vote me" defense is hardly inspiring. His claim doesn't do anything for me because, well, no one's claim should really do anything. They're independent of alignment. That said, I'm not willing to lynch a pretty much confirmed doc at this point in time. Still not convinced of his innocence though.
UNVOTE Archmage Eternal, FoS Archmage Eternal
You spouted a whole lot of how you don't believe AE's role can clear him in anyway due to his behavior. Then you went back on your statement by unvoting him because you're uncomfortable lynching a doc (clearing him via his role), but still tacked on an FoS because you don't believe his innocence (trying to justify your unvote)?
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset. Not to mention seems awfully opportunistic.
My opinion is that scums are more likely to play the "nice politically-correct guys" rather than towns, who are more likely to play the "what they believe in". But yeah, it's my opinion.
On Ande: The push for Ace given replacement seems like a very newby scum tactic. It seems most out of character. Could be borne of frustration at a potential easy mis-lynch getting away, so he must be watched closely.
Waiting for Ace's replacement seems the only logical thing to do.
Honestly andel your last couple of posts have been horrible. Your reasoning on why to lynch Ace has been horrible, and your reasoning about the three possible corses is appalling. They really fail to take into account his RL reasoning for wanting to replace, which knowing this situation for a while now, is perfectly reasonable and should not have any affect on Ace.
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset. Not to mention seems awfully opportunistic. Unvote Ace
Vote andelijah
What? You were voting Ace, and now you defend him?
If I had to guess, this looks like distancing and reflex bussing.
Since DYH has posted and I don't see a death scene, I'll assume Cyan is in fact still with us. However, why would you fire even a blank at Cyan if you're so suspicious of Ande?
I wouldn't worry if it was in fact legit.
I've had no internet over the week. My computer is out for repairs till the end of the week, so I'll be limited till then.
...I swear, I just finish telling RafK that you're not following trends blindly and swallowing other people's reasoning to bandwagon, and you do it. Twice, to boot.
I'm beginning to think Ecophagy has a point about you. In fact...
Unvote: Jobie
Vote: Guardman
(pending Ace's replacement)
The closest thing I had to barning is Ace. The andel thing was all myself, Cyan and Tapper posted while I was writing my post.
On Ande: The push for Ace given replacement seems like a very newby scum tactic. It seems most out of character. Could be borne of frustration at a potential easy mis-lynch getting away, so he must be watched closely.
Waiting for Ace's replacement seems the only logical thing to do.
What? You were voting Ace, and now you defend him?
If I had to guess, this looks like distancing and reflex bussing.
Can we please lynch Guardman now? Pretty please?
No I don't approve of lynching people who aren't able to defend themselves. And andel's posts about this seems like he wants to push a lynch through quickly, without legitimate discussion, which is never pro-town.
On Ande: The push for Ace given replacement seems like a very newby scum tactic. It seems most out of character. Could be borne of frustration at a potential easy mis-lynch getting away, so he must be watched closely.
It could be legitimately borne more out of frustration at the fact that people ever replace out of long games like this. I know how that goes, and it really does suck for the mod. Of course it's better play to let someone new come in, but I've pushed as town to lynch people getting replaced out like this.
Whatever. One of us is right, anyway. Either andelijah is not thinking straight or he's scum.
I'd much rather have a replacement come in despite my feelings about Ace. If I'm wrong I get the opportunity to see that and change my mind (and even if I don't I get some insight from a fresh pair of eyes). If I'm not wrong, I may get something other info. Either way, lynching Ace when he's requested replacement is in the long run depriving us of information.
Really? You can't win when you're dead? If you win with the town, you help move the ball forward until it's over. Keeping quiet doesn't help.
Since DYH has posted and I don't see a death scene, I'll assume Cyan is in fact still with us. However, why would you fire even a blank at Cyan if you're so suspicious of Ande?
I know keeping quiet doesn't help, so that's why I wrote the secondhalf of the post
I'm still happy with killin' us some Guardman today, though if you guys want to lynch Ande or Ace's replacement, I'm down with that.
And I haven't forgotten about desCoures, the player who replaced ScumCircles.
To anyone who doesn't get why I tried to daykill Cyan - obviously you aren't reading Led Zeppelin Mafia :3
You spouted a whole lot of how you don't believe AE's role can clear him in anyway due to his behavior.
True.
Then you went back on your statement by unvoting him because you're uncomfortable lynching a doc
I didn't "go back on my statement". I do still think he's scum. I just no longer think it's prudent to lynch him at this time. He's a confirmed protective role. I'd rather hold off and give any investigative roles out there a chance to have a look at our day-doc.
(clearing him via his role)
False. I'm not clearing him at all.
but still tacked on an FoS because you don't believe his innocence (trying to justify your unvote)?
I downgraded my vote to an FoS, because I still think he's probably scum but don't feel like he needs to be lynched right now.
If you read the whole post instead of quoting one line, you'd see I specifically stated that since he's a confirmed protective role, I'd like to give any investigative roles out there a chance to look at him first.
I did forget your double-vote when I was counting things up. Yeah, he'd be heading for claim range, but still certainly not what I'd call enough town consensus to warrant stringing him before he or his replacement can even claim (which it seems we agree on). I can certainly see us lynching him today, but not before we get a chance to hear from him or his replacement.
Agreed on this, although DYH appears to be having trouble finding a replacement.
Yes, I know. Directing cops at a claimed protection role that you already think is scum? Not an improvement.
This. If you think that someone is scum and is being mistakenly cleared based on claims or action info, argue it out. Directing cops is at best lazy, and at worst an attempt at outright direction, distraction, and cop-fishing.
NArcher: I wasn't impressed by his earlier posting, but I got more of a town vibe later in day one. Leaning town.
Jobie: Haven't noticed too much from him, really. I did note a post of his near the end of day one, where he "gives advice" to Cantrip, which seemed unusual. Overall neutral, but leaning on the scum side.
In both cases, I'd like to reread, and the next oppurtunity to do that will be in a few days.
I'll be very interested in your eventual opinions on these subjects... especially given that they're both just as, if not more, guilty of lurking than the two lurkers you've mentioned and attempted to place in a scummy context. I'll be especially interested in exactly how you're 'leaning town' on NightArcher.
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by coming forward with that info?
Remove assumption: Ecophagy investigated AE
Assume: Ecophagy investigated someone else OR is lying about his ability entirely
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by appearing to confirm his claim?
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from someone saying 'you targeted someone else instead'?
Remove assumption: AE = town
Assume: AE is not mafia, but not town
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from AE dying at some point and coming up something other than what he claimed?
...simple logic says that Eco being scum and AE being town does not make sense. Each of the other three scenarios is possible; this one is not, which is why I questioned ced395 bringing it up as a possibility.
The closest thing I had to barning is Ace. The andel thing was all myself, Cyan and Tapper posted while I was writing my post.
No I don't approve of lynching people who aren't able to defend themselves. And andel's posts about this seems like he wants to push a lynch through quickly, without legitimate discussion, which is never pro-town.
I call bovine faeces. Simply looking at timestamps makes it immediately obvious that RafK and TMT were criticizing andelijah heavily an hour or more before you posted, and with most of the 'content' your post contained. Additionally, Cyan and TMT posted 15 and 13 minutes before yours, respectively; not a matter of 2-3 minute simulpost Sarnathing. It's still possible, I concede, but the length of your post does not seem like something that would have taken more than 10 minutes to make.
Your second paragraph also reads like 'Step 1: Take stock scumtell; Step 2: ???; Step 3: profit!' So are you saying it wasn't 'legitimate discussion' that led you to vote Ace in the first place?
I know keeping quiet doesn't help, so that's why I wrote the secondhalf of the post
I'm still happy with killin' us some Guardman today, though if you guys want to lynch Ande or Ace's replacement, I'm down with that.
And I haven't forgotten about desCoures, the player who replaced ScumCircles.
To anyone who doesn't get why I tried to daykill Cyan - obviously you aren't reading Led Zeppelin Mafia :3
....Cyan, just kill him already. -_-;;;
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I call bovine faeces. Simply looking at timestamps makes it immediately obvious that RafK and TMT were criticizing andelijah heavily an hour or more before you posted, and with most of the 'content' your post contained. Additionally, Cyan and TMT posted 15 and 13 minutes before yours, respectively; not a matter of 2-3 minute simulpost Sarnathing. It's still possible, I concede, but the length of your post does not seem like something that would have taken more than 10 minutes to make.
Your second paragraph also reads like 'Step 1: Take stock scumtell; Step 2: ???; Step 3: profit!' So are you saying it wasn't 'legitimate discussion' that led you to vote Ace in the first place?
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Consider my vote very likely to go on Guardman in the imminent future.
I call bovine faeces. Simply looking at timestamps makes it immediately obvious that RafK and TMT were criticizing andelijah heavily an hour or more before you posted, and with most of the 'content' your post contained. Additionally, Cyan and TMT posted 15 and 13 minutes before yours, respectively; not a matter of 2-3 minute simulpost Sarnathing. It's still possible, I concede, but the length of your post does not seem like something that would have taken more than 10 minutes to make.
I was talking about Tapper and Cyan who posted twenty minuets before my post, while I was writing mine (I take a while to write my posts, my average post takes 20-30 minuets to post because I rewrite it a couple times usually). Though this is WIFOM, since its my word against yours. But I would also like to point out I was the only one who voted from andel's post, so I am not sure how much bussing and follow the leader you can really call, since my vote followed no-one.
Your second paragraph also reads like 'Step 1: Take stock scumtell; Step 2: ???; Step 3: profit!' So are you saying it wasn't 'legitimate discussion' that led you to vote Ace in the first place?
No, I am saying that when the person needs to be replaced out for perfectly reasonable reasons in the middle of the discussions that can lead to his lynch, it is not right to just lynch the person before they can defend themselves and say **** it, he would probably still be lynched anyway, which is what andel's posts seem to be saying.
I was talking about Tapper and Cyan who posted twenty minuets before my post, while I was writing mine (I take a while to write my posts, my average post takes 20-30 minuets to post because I rewrite it a couple times usually). Though this is WIFOM, since its my word against yours. But I would also like to point out I was the only one who voted from andel's post, so I am not sure how much bussing and follow the leader you can really call, since my vote followed no-one.
Your vote indeed followed no one, but your arguments followed everyone. I can easily see you overestimating the backlash towards andelijah for his motion to lynch Ace and jumping straight onto the new wagon.
No, I am saying that when the person needs to be replaced out for perfectly reasonable reasons in the middle of the discussions that can lead to his lynch, it is not right to just lynch the person before they can defend themselves and say **** it, he would probably still be lynched anyway, which is what andel's posts seem to be saying.
Also mod vote count.
...I hope you realize you just outlined a perfectly reasonable impatient townie thought process, and are apparently voting for andelijah anyway, despite this. Care to explain that?
Also,
@Zionite
Replacing in for Wuffles doesn't mean you have to continue his absolute silence, BTW.
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Your vote indeed followed no one, but your arguments followed everyone. I can easily see you overestimating the backlash towards andelijah for his motion to lynch Ace and jumping straight onto the new wagon.
...I hope you realize you just outlined a perfectly reasonable impatient townie thought process, and are apparently voting for andelijah anyway, despite this. Care to explain that?
I fail to see where I outline a perfectly reasonable impatient townie thought process. Trying to push through a lynch when the person has to be replaced mid discussion, before he really has a chance to defend himself. Seems like anti-town behavior and I have trouble seeing it come from a town mindset.
I was talking about Tapper and Cyan who posted twenty minuets before my post, while I was writing mine (I take a while to write my posts, my average post takes 20-30 minuets to post because I rewrite it a couple times usually). Though this is WIFOM, since its my word against yours.
WIFOM is a bad defence.
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But I would also like to point out I was the only one who voted from andel's post, so I am not sure how much bussing and follow the leader you can really call, since my vote followed no-one
As dC, you echoed opinions, the vote is not as important as the trend. I am also unsure how it can't be bussing - someone has to start the bus, after all.
No, I am saying that when the person needs to be replaced out for perfectly reasonable reasons in the middle of the discussions that can lead to his lynch, it is not right to just lynch the person before they can defend themselves and say **** it, he would probably still be lynched anyway, which is what andel's posts seem to be saying.
But you considered Ace scummy enough after his defence to vote him. To you, clearly, his defence was insufficient and you wanted to lynch him. Why does his replacing out make him less scummy and require new defence?
Good to be back. I've been mostly keeping up since my lame night 1 death, but I'll do a reread. I'm seriously wondering why Guardman is still alive.
Direct any lynch Ace questions my way, and I'll answer them as best I can from my perspective.
Also, @PaleMage: I noticed you've recently been asking for Cyan. Recently in our clan thread he said his RL had been getting a little hectic lately, so that's probably to blame for his inactivity.
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"Dropping out because of pressure" is a different story. The latter I would recommend probation for, the former I am simply advocating continuing with the lynch.
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BS. Dropping out under these circumstances should not affect the lynch at all either way. If there was already a consensus to lynch it would be one thing. Instead for the second time today you have taken the laziest option possible to get someone killed. Really not looking good for you
Agreed. The vote count previous to andelijah's post was 4 for Ace, with a few more expressing interest in the wagon. Hardly a consensus that Ace was scum. I'm thinking a re-read on andelijah might be in order.
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Okay? Eco even goes to say "this isn't auto-town" and your original vote wasn't because he was the day-doc, you used the fact that he claimed it to try and keep on, which is the original post I had problems with.
However afterwards I realized you're the RB'er who came out with a block on A_E so LOL not as suspicious now.
Still, explain why you unvoted.
Also I obviously disagree with your "people will lie" because scum try to lie as little as possible, and this early on, there's practically no reason to do so since there's been one night, and there's little reason to be afraid to be caught in a lie. It's fine that we disagree, but this is my stance.
I am moving to get my top 3 suspects lynched. I dropped Archmage Eternal for now due to lack of support (since somehow his claim is clearing), can't go after Wrath of Dog because he is getting vigged, and now Ace is replacing out.
I think Ace is scum. I think it would be a waste of our, the mod's, and especially the replacement's time to have him replace in and be immediately wagoned potentially to a lynch.
As for "there are only 4 people voting him" - you failed to look at the non-voters. Combined, there are 9 people who are currently voting or who stated they are willing to vote Ace.
So far there are 3 people who have stated the opposite read (Jobie, Ged, RafaelK).
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Yes, what a waste of time to get someone to take his place, provide thoughts on the game, and actually be able to claim when within range and possibly provide useful information. Yup, much better to just speed lynch him and move on to night.
Nope, didn't fail to look at that at all. Nice of you to mention the first half of my sentence and not the second half. Of those 5 people who are "willing to vote Ace", two of them simply expressed interest and a perhaps a willingness to vote provided Ace's response was insufficient to sway (I should know; I was one of those two). So you have 4 votes, 3 "I'll probably vote", and 2 "wagon may have merit" out of 20 non-Ace players. Again, I'd hardly call that a consensus.
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But now he's disappeared. I don't think that the case against him warrants him being lynched, but his replacement will have to bear close scrutiny.
I also think that Andelijah is being extremely opportunistic, in a scummy way, here.
I am willing to let a replacement in, but your insistence that replacing Ace would be a waste of the mod's time is strange and seem to stem from a scum mindset. Not to mention seems awfully opportunistic.
Unvote Ace
Vote andelijah
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It's just a bit hard to muster enthusiasm when I know it's a foregone conclusion that I die tonight.
I still like Guardman, but also Ace, or Andelijah for today's lynch, the former's blatant switching from Ace to Andelijah, while understandable, given the scumminess of the other two, is just a bit too opportunistic for my liking.
Andelijah's "we have 3 options" post just REEKS of scum distancing, and Ace, well, we all know what is bad about Ace.
Also don't like Cyan. Since when does he ever express suspicion without a vote?
Daykill Cyan.
Yes, why bother wagoning someone potentially to a lynch when you can just squelch him before he gets the opportunity to actually reply
Compared to how many for, say, Guardman?
As for the 9 figure (yay dodgy maths), TMT has done a good job of poking holes.
For the record, I haven't stated the opposite read on Ace; I'm just not interested in lynching his role summarily out of convenience.
Hopefully, WoD's daykill is fake. If not, I guess the next step comes down to whether Ged can still effectively nightkill WoD without Cyan alive, or whether we need to lynch WoD, bu twe can talk about that if it actually comes up.
Though I suppose that Ged can just finish you off anyway.
Also, did you just essentially accuse three people of being scum and 2 of them of trying to bus each other(and the third guy)? That would be quite the spectacular feat. I think that you're just trying to create a huge mess of WIFOM for when you turn up as dead scum tomorrow.
Kind of like me forgetting Wuffles was in this game.
Also, more lurker hunting? *frowns*
@Jobie
...that was something like the barest minimum of content possible. That it's a defence of Ace is not encouraging.
@The Mad Tapper
To be fair, I was only holding my vote pending votecount, and I do have a double-vote today. That would have brought Ace very nicely into claim range.
I do agree, however, that we should wait for a replacement who can actually claim. Let me ask, though -- who actually thinks that Ace should not be lynched, given his utterly fake responses the entirety of today?
@Guardman
...I swear, I just finish telling RafK that you're not following trends blindly and swallowing other people's reasoning to bandwagon, and you do it. Twice, to boot.
I'm beginning to think Ecophagy has a point about you. In fact...
Unvote: Jobie
Vote: Guardman
(pending Ace's replacement)
@Wrath_of_DoG
......it's times like this that make me wish I could get the daykill...
Ged: If the above is actually true, can you finish off WoD tonight?
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Barring other changes to the situation, yes.
Cool.
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...come to think of it, ced395... could I have your current opinions on Jobie and NightArcher?
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I did forget your double-vote when I was counting things up. Yeah, he'd be heading for claim range, but still certainly not what I'd call enough town consensus to warrant stringing him before he or his replacement can even claim (which it seems we agree on). I can certainly see us lynching him today, but not before we get a chance to hear from him or his replacement.
Yeah, Guardman's not looking any better to me either.
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This is even assuming he's town, something I highly doubt.
As I said, the other approach is to let Ace be replaced and back off of him until his replacement commits scum tells where we can wagon him for that. And again, since I think he is scum, I think this is a subpar plan.
Then you didn't read my post. 9 leaning to definitely pro-voting Ace vs 3 (Edit: 2 - RafaelK said otherwise) who gave the opposite read. 8 non-Ace players hadn't bothered to give their opinion. Of those who did, voting Ace was a vast majority.
His real life reason is irrelevant. I think he is scum, and I think he needs to be lynched. Believing it is unfair to force a replacement to come in and be lynched, I am advocating continuing without one. If there isn't enough support for a lynch anyways, the point becomes moot, but that's not going to make me move my vote.
I clearly disagree, but elaborate?
Not sure why you disagree with my plan if you think Ace is scum.
Wait, yes I am sure.
I've already gone over why I think this plan is better than the other two. I didn't say it was perfect, I just don't like the other options.
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Indeed. Leaped like a salmon onto the alternative wagon, and whoever said that he was not playing like he did in Persona, would you like another go?
That was me, and from me mentioning it, I think it can be assumed I stand corrected.
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Because I was clearly wrong in trying to speculate about his role, and my roleblock info is just not that good compared to Eco's information lining up with AE's. I don't feel I could be justify to keep my vote on him.
I still need a replacement for Ace.
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Boo. Hiss.
I'd much rather have a replacement come in despite my feelings about Ace. If I'm wrong I get the opportunity to see that and change my mind (and even if I don't I get some insight from a fresh pair of eyes). If I'm not wrong, I may get something other info. Either way, lynching Ace when he's requested replacement is in the long run depriving us of information.
Really? You can't win when you're dead? If you win with the town, you help move the ball forward until it's over. Keeping quiet doesn't help.
Since DYH has posted and I don't see a death scene, I'll assume Cyan is in fact still with us. However, why would you fire even a blank at Cyan if you're so suspicious of Ande?
I am not convinced Guardman is scum. I still believe he is town from my earlier read of him.
I am not convinced Eco is town based on his revelation about AE's role alone.
I can go along with Ace's wagon.
You spouted a whole lot of how you don't believe AE's role can clear him in anyway due to his behavior. Then you went back on your statement by unvoting him because you're uncomfortable lynching a doc (clearing him via his role), but still tacked on an FoS because you don't believe his innocence (trying to justify your unvote)?
Explain this statement? I thought Eco can still be scum if AE is town, and vice-versa.
My opinion is that scums are more likely to play the "nice politically-correct guys" rather than towns, who are more likely to play the "what they believe in". But yeah, it's my opinion.
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Waiting for Ace's replacement seems the only logical thing to do.
What? You were voting Ace, and now you defend him?
If I had to guess, this looks like distancing and reflex bussing.
Can we please lynch Guardman now? Pretty please?
I wouldn't worry if it was in fact legit.
I've had no internet over the week. My computer is out for repairs till the end of the week, so I'll be limited till then.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
What does this have to do with the one specific sentence you quoted?
The closest thing I had to barning is Ace. The andel thing was all myself, Cyan and Tapper posted while I was writing my post.
No I don't approve of lynching people who aren't able to defend themselves. And andel's posts about this seems like he wants to push a lynch through quickly, without legitimate discussion, which is never pro-town.
It could be legitimately borne more out of frustration at the fact that people ever replace out of long games like this. I know how that goes, and it really does suck for the mod. Of course it's better play to let someone new come in, but I've pushed as town to lynch people getting replaced out like this.
Whatever. One of us is right, anyway. Either andelijah is not thinking straight or he's scum.
I'm still happy with killin' us some Guardman today, though if you guys want to lynch Ande or Ace's replacement, I'm down with that.
And I haven't forgotten about desCoures, the player who replaced ScumCircles.
To anyone who doesn't get why I tried to daykill Cyan - obviously you aren't reading Led Zeppelin Mafia :3
True.
I didn't "go back on my statement". I do still think he's scum. I just no longer think it's prudent to lynch him at this time. He's a confirmed protective role. I'd rather hold off and give any investigative roles out there a chance to have a look at our day-doc.
False. I'm not clearing him at all.
I downgraded my vote to an FoS, because I still think he's probably scum but don't feel like he needs to be lynched right now.
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Wha?
If you read the whole post instead of quoting one line, you'd see I specifically stated that since he's a confirmed protective role, I'd like to give any investigative roles out there a chance to look at him first.
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Agreed on this, although DYH appears to be having trouble finding a replacement.
Not so agreed on your AE reasoning, though.
This. If you think that someone is scum and is being mistakenly cleared based on claims or action info, argue it out. Directing cops is at best lazy, and at worst an attempt at outright direction, distraction, and cop-fishing.
@ced395
I'll be very interested in your eventual opinions on these subjects... especially given that they're both just as, if not more, guilty of lurking than the two lurkers you've mentioned and attempted to place in a scummy context. I'll be especially interested in exactly how you're 'leaning town' on NightArcher.
@Dagger
...I mentioned this in my response to ced395 a while back, didn't I?
Let's make this a bit more organized, then...
Assume: Ecophagy = scum
Assume: AE = town
Assume: Ecophagy investigated AE
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by coming forward with that info?
Remove assumption: Ecophagy investigated AE
Assume: Ecophagy investigated someone else OR is lying about his ability entirely
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by appearing to confirm his claim?
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from someone saying 'you targeted someone else instead'?
Remove assumption: AE = town
Assume: AE is not mafia, but not town
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from AE dying at some point and coming up something other than what he claimed?
...simple logic says that Eco being scum and AE being town does not make sense. Each of the other three scenarios is possible; this one is not, which is why I questioned ced395 bringing it up as a possibility.
@Guardman
I call bovine faeces. Simply looking at timestamps makes it immediately obvious that RafK and TMT were criticizing andelijah heavily an hour or more before you posted, and with most of the 'content' your post contained. Additionally, Cyan and TMT posted 15 and 13 minutes before yours, respectively; not a matter of 2-3 minute simulpost Sarnathing. It's still possible, I concede, but the length of your post does not seem like something that would have taken more than 10 minutes to make.
Your second paragraph also reads like 'Step 1: Take stock scumtell; Step 2: ???; Step 3: profit!' So are you saying it wasn't 'legitimate discussion' that led you to vote Ace in the first place?
@Wrath_of_DoG
....Cyan, just kill him already. -_-;;;
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I call bovine faeces. Simply looking at timestamps makes it immediately obvious that RafK and TMT were criticizing andelijah heavily an hour or more before you posted, and with most of the 'content' your post contained. Additionally, Cyan and TMT posted 15 and 13 minutes before yours, respectively; not a matter of 2-3 minute simulpost Sarnathing. It's still possible, I concede, but the length of your post does not seem like something that would have taken more than 10 minutes to make.
Your second paragraph also reads like 'Step 1: Take stock scumtell; Step 2: ???; Step 3: profit!' So are you saying it wasn't 'legitimate discussion' that led you to vote Ace in the first place?
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Consider my vote very likely to go on Guardman in the imminent future.
Guardman actually has (and had as of the last votecount before you declared for lynching Ace) the most votes of anyone. What do you think of Guardman?
I was talking about Tapper and Cyan who posted twenty minuets before my post, while I was writing mine (I take a while to write my posts, my average post takes 20-30 minuets to post because I rewrite it a couple times usually). Though this is WIFOM, since its my word against yours. But I would also like to point out I was the only one who voted from andel's post, so I am not sure how much bussing and follow the leader you can really call, since my vote followed no-one.
No, I am saying that when the person needs to be replaced out for perfectly reasonable reasons in the middle of the discussions that can lead to his lynch, it is not right to just lynch the person before they can defend themselves and say **** it, he would probably still be lynched anyway, which is what andel's posts seem to be saying.
Also mod vote count.
Your vote indeed followed no one, but your arguments followed everyone. I can easily see you overestimating the backlash towards andelijah for his motion to lynch Ace and jumping straight onto the new wagon.
...I hope you realize you just outlined a perfectly reasonable impatient townie thought process, and are apparently voting for andelijah anyway, despite this. Care to explain that?
Also,
@Zionite
Replacing in for Wuffles doesn't mean you have to continue his absolute silence, BTW.
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I fail to see where I outline a perfectly reasonable impatient townie thought process. Trying to push through a lynch when the person has to be replaced mid discussion, before he really has a chance to defend himself. Seems like anti-town behavior and I have trouble seeing it come from a town mindset.
WIFOM is a bad defence.
As dC, you echoed opinions, the vote is not as important as the trend. I am also unsure how it can't be bussing - someone has to start the bus, after all.
But you considered Ace scummy enough after his defence to vote him. To you, clearly, his defence was insufficient and you wanted to lynch him. Why does his replacing out make him less scummy and require new defence?
That is all.
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Vote Count:
Guardman (8) - Cyan, Ged, WoD, TMT, Eco, Kpaca, desCoures
Kpaca (3) - Ced395, Emo Pinata, Andelijah
WoD (2) - [Jobie], (Andelijah)
Andelijah (1) - Guardman
Archmage Eternal (1) - Jobie
Some One (1) - Archmage Eternal
With 21 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
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Good to be back. I've been mostly keeping up since my lame night 1 death, but I'll do a reread. I'm seriously wondering why Guardman is still alive.
Direct any lynch Ace questions my way, and I'll answer them as best I can from my perspective.
Also, @PaleMage: I noticed you've recently been asking for Cyan. Recently in our clan thread he said his RL had been getting a little hectic lately, so that's probably to blame for his inactivity.
I'm working up a case on Guardman.
Yeah, duh. So then Cyan's above post isnt necessarily the case because WoD could actually have a daykill. It'd at least be possible then.