Unvote, we can obviously not judge by names. I would like to go through with a full name claim, and I would like to go last. It will make sense why when I claim my name.
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No answer to my last post that was basically a series of questions entirely directed at you...
Why do you call this fixed? Why do the plans become worse for the town if the mafia knows who he is targetting? There's certainly a lot that can happen, but in the worst case scenario, there's WIFOM; I'd rather be presented with WIFOM than nothing in the incident AE turns up dead.
I would rather know that one of the Millers is scum, then be presented with WIFOM.
I would rather know that one of the Millers is scum, then be presented with WIFOM.
If he tells us who he targets and 2 people die, pending SK (or something), we know his target is scum.
If he doesn't tell us who he targets and 2 people die, again, pending SK, we know one miller is scum.
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If he tells us who he targets and just him dies, pending other claims, it's WIFOM.
If he doesn't tell us who he targets and just him dies, we have nothing.
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So how at all would we be presented a scenario whereby we would know that one of the millers was scum vs. WIFOM given him NOT telling us who he is targetting?
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
I'm for the mass claim if it moves the day along. With the comments about name having nothing to do with role, and the number of name claims hanging out there already, I cannot foresee any major problems coming from it.
I'm for the mass claim if it moves the day along. With the comments about name having nothing to do with role, and the number of name claims hanging out there already, I cannot foresee any major problems coming from it.
Agreed. I'm for the name claim, but it's a bit of a bastard moddery by giving scummy names out
So here is a question, since we have three millers could it be possible that they are actually the three scum (risky and unlikely), but given this post by Wuffles it seems like it might be a possibility. Or at the very least two out of the three of them (I think this is also possible).
Astronomically unlikely, IMO. It would have to be planned.
Look, all I can do is make suppositions based on my role PM, right? I understand that it's very hard for you all to believe this, but I feel that none of the millers are scum.
But after a good night's sleep, I see why it is impossible for you non-millers to believe that; indeed, it would be incredibly risky for you to do so.
I believe that Wuffles legitimately believes that the millers are legit.
I'm still against the mass claim. I see no reason for it and it will do nothing for the town except be a distraction.
Also with the amount of gaming the mod over flavor going on I think the claim will be harmful and detrimental since I could see a few of us going through seeing which names are scummy or not *cough*SK*cough*.
I still can't imagine the scums going "let's all claim miller right away!" during pregame. It also doesn't make sense when you look at how they claimed. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Well, we have lost. We have two days and no one is posting. With no action for over 24 hours I don't know how we can expect to win. The activity in this game is horrible. I don't really know what to do...
I agree with you AE.... There just are not that many leads. Things to note so far.
1) We never even got another "Challenge" Remember the Alphabetical order thing?
2) Game participation was horrid by post 166. Look at my post...
3) We have 3 claimed millers... One of them is Jay and Silent Bob. Another is a cult leader.... And the third is a death miller.
Anyways onto my lame read of AH.
Quote from AH »
I realized, thanks. Couple things. When I die, let it be unequivocal proof that names are in no way connected to alignment.
Ok sure that's great. I would say the exact same thing if I was scum.
I am skipping a lot but almost all if not all of AH's posts are one liners or only a couple of lines take this post for example...
Quote from AH »
That really doesn't contribute.
Well that really does contribute... Not.
Quote from AH Post 375 »
Oh, very good. Try to remember that we are hunting scum here. Now is the time to find the best possible candidate for a lynch that we can agree on. I am in no way satisfied with today's resolution on Emo Pinata but in light of the current deadline I'd be fine with Guardman.
AE: Have you named a target yet?
And then we get scummy posts like this. One why would you care if AE has named a target. Two wouldn't you already know if you were PAYING ATTENTION? Third there were never any real cases on Guardman or EP. This seems scummy and seems more like. "Well they aren't my scum buddies so sure let's lynch them." Or, "Well they aren't part of my cult, so sure let's lynch them."
Quote from AH »
This doesn't work as an investigation if you don't.
Ok.... So AE doesn't claim.... But still said all the way back then that he was targeting a miller.....
Quote from AH »
I'm intrigued, in a hurry, and don't believe you.
Unvote: Emo Pinata,Vote: Shadow Knight.
You're sure your claim is provable and yet describe it as extremely scummy. That feels like a prepared false claim to me. Your reliance on role analysis instead of play analysis is also suspect, especially on day one.
Then there was this jewel....
Quote from AH »
I'll use different words. Shadowknight is totally off with his reliance on roles (we don't have a lot to compare that to today) and flavor (has never been relevant) as evidence. He's reaching. And what he says about himself isn't reasonable in his assessment of self or me. If he's got a scummy name and a townie role, why doesn't he believe that's possible for anyone else? He also believes his role (not named) will clear him. I'm having trouble with a role doing clearing. It might explain some actions, but the role means as much as flavor does. As for the running out of time thing, we have a deadline, so time to try and find a consensus. It doesn't seem like anyone else finds Emo's actions suspect and I certainly find SK's actions suspect.
Then there is my favorite post.... To defeat this in a couple of words... You are reaching by saying that SK reaching is scummy.
And Then when SK claims AH posts this.
Quote from AH »
That's a distraction. Anyway you look at it, it really doesn't matter.
Damn, that's great... This is so scummy, it's not even funny.
I find AH really scummy but I would also not mind lynching Zazz. Because of this sweet post.
Quote from Zazz »
Wakes up.
"Anyone dead yet? No? Then I'll be right over here."
Lies down again.
How did we miss this and ignore it? I don't know but it just reads of no lynch? Ok I am going to go back and lurk.
So, in the end I find AH and Zazz scummy. I would like to lynch AH and then with AE meeting up with Zazz we will be able to find out if he is scummy or not, maybe..
Well I am blaming part of the activity problem on the part of the mod. I mean he has been lurking and has been taking forever to get post counts done, etc.
Anyways, I still think Wuffles II or AH are the best lynches today.
I will be waiting for a VOTE COUNT before I cast my vote for the deadline.
Anyways, I still think Wuffles II or AH are the best lynches today.
I will be waiting for a VOTE COUNT before I cast my vote for the deadline.
Agreed.
Vote count, then will be voting AH. With the apparent deadline approaching, and the general-lurking of AH since I joined, he seems a prime candidate for the rope.
Vote count, then will be voting AH. With the apparent deadline approaching, and the general-lurking of AH since I joined, he seems a prime candidate for the rope.
There's never been a reason to be voting for me. If you're desperately looking for someone to lynch, find someone you can cite evidence for.
Vote count, then will be voting AH. With the apparent deadline approaching, and the general-lurking of AH since I joined, he seems a prime candidate for the rope.
Why do you pinpoint AH and go tunnel vision on him? There's plenty of others who have been lurking.
Wuffles posts like this normally. We should consider lynching Wuffles if/when AH turns up scum. His defense is nothing out of the ordinary to me.
Yeah.
Your logic is as bad as always.
Just because I have been discrediting much of the baseless crap that people have been using as reason to vote AH is no reason to assume I or he is scum if I or he turn up scum.
I'm like 95% sure he won't turn up as anything but a town miller, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to string future lynches to the alignment of a MILLER is still terrible play.
"Jay, chill, dude. Put the stick down."
"**** you, bob, this *** is getting hit with the Stupid Stick (TM) and there's nothing anyone can say that's gonna stop me."
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Like I said I am still waiting for the official vote count, but I am also going to petition for a 48 hour extension after the vote count so that we can sort through it and make our final vote before the day ends.
He promised us a vote count 5 days ago. If he doesn't extend the time, or something of that nature, I will be asked to be replaced out of this game. Seriously, I've never seen a mod make empty promises like this.
He also needs to update the OP to reflect replacements, and SK hasn't posted in 8 days.
/end rant.
Unvote, Vote SK - Not posting in the 8 days before a deadline is reached is awful.
He promised us a vote count 5 days ago. If he doesn't extend the time, or something of that nature, I will be asked to be replaced out of this game. Seriously, I've never seen a mod make empty promises like this.
He also needs to update the OP to reflect replacements, and SK hasn't posted in 8 days.
Quite frankly, I don't think AK should be giving us a deadline at all, considering his lack of votecounts has continuously been holding us up. (In my case, that and a five-minute wait per web-page load - )
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No answer to my last post that was basically a series of questions entirely directed at you...
I would rather know that one of the Millers is scum, then be presented with WIFOM.
If he tells us who he targets and 2 people die, pending SK (or something), we know his target is scum.
If he doesn't tell us who he targets and 2 people die, again, pending SK, we know one miller is scum.
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If he tells us who he targets and just him dies, pending other claims, it's WIFOM.
If he doesn't tell us who he targets and just him dies, we have nothing.
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So how at all would we be presented a scenario whereby we would know that one of the millers was scum vs. WIFOM given him NOT telling us who he is targetting?
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Can we get a name claim now please?
Are we wanting to do a mass name-claim, or just from who we're lynching?
I'm reading the thread, but with the deadline, I'll be asking questions to help me along with catching up.
And I'll get a votecount up tomorrow morning.
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For the record, Unvote.
I'm for the mass claim if it moves the day along. With the comments about name having nothing to do with role, and the number of name claims hanging out there already, I cannot foresee any major problems coming from it.
Agreed. I'm for the name claim, but it's a bit of a bastard moddery by giving scummy names out
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Cons: see SK's earlier post regarding abilities+names.
Astronomically unlikely, IMO. It would have to be planned.
I believe that Wuffles legitimately believes that the millers are legit.
* Minineko hissses
Unfortunately, he's not today's lynch.
You don't get any credit for pointing out that I was lurking...
Meow.
Also with the amount of gaming the mod over flavor going on I think the claim will be harmful and detrimental since I could see a few of us going through seeing which names are scummy or not *cough*SK*cough*.
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Right, like pregame.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
That was referring to SK.
I still can't imagine the scums going "let's all claim miller right away!" during pregame. It also doesn't make sense when you look at how they claimed. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Meow.
So what was your original stance established on?
If a stance is based on seemingly incorrect precedent, how does explaining it feed ideas to the mafia?
It's not really incorrect. It's just that you have a point that out ways my reason for him not claiming. Or at least makes it not as relevant.
And that being said, how is the mafia fed ideas?
Because I haven't stated the "good" reason against it. And I don't want to.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
VOTE COUNT?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
1) We never even got another "Challenge" Remember the Alphabetical order thing?
2) Game participation was horrid by post 166. Look at my post...
3) We have 3 claimed millers... One of them is Jay and Silent Bob. Another is a cult leader.... And the third is a death miller.
Anyways onto my lame read of AH.
Ok sure that's great. I would say the exact same thing if I was scum.
I am skipping a lot but almost all if not all of AH's posts are one liners or only a couple of lines take this post for example...
Well that really does contribute... Not.
And then we get scummy posts like this. One why would you care if AE has named a target. Two wouldn't you already know if you were PAYING ATTENTION? Third there were never any real cases on Guardman or EP. This seems scummy and seems more like. "Well they aren't my scum buddies so sure let's lynch them." Or, "Well they aren't part of my cult, so sure let's lynch them."
Ok.... So AE doesn't claim.... But still said all the way back then that he was targeting a miller.....
Then there was this jewel....
Then there is my favorite post.... To defeat this in a couple of words... You are reaching by saying that SK reaching is scummy.
And Then when SK claims AH posts this. Damn, that's great... This is so scummy, it's not even funny.
I find AH really scummy but I would also not mind lynching Zazz. Because of this sweet post.
How did we miss this and ignore it? I don't know but it just reads of no lynch? Ok I am going to go back and lurk.
So, in the end I find AH and Zazz scummy. I would like to lynch AH and then with AE meeting up with Zazz we will be able to find out if he is scummy or not, maybe..
Who do you want to be todays lynch?
I'm hung up on Guardman. Looking back.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Anyways, I still think Wuffles II or AH are the best lynches today.
I will be waiting for a VOTE COUNT before I cast my vote for the deadline.
Start at this post here and keep reading. It is all there why I think Wuffles.
Agreed.
Vote count, then will be voting AH. With the apparent deadline approaching, and the general-lurking of AH since I joined, he seems a prime candidate for the rope.
Why do you pinpoint AH and go tunnel vision on him? There's plenty of others who have been lurking.
Sorry about my activity; RL has held me up, and I've prioritized games I'm hosting over posting here.
Your logic is as bad as always.
Just because I have been discrediting much of the baseless crap that people have been using as reason to vote AH is no reason to assume I or he is scum if I or he turn up scum.
I'm like 95% sure he won't turn up as anything but a town miller, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to string future lynches to the alignment of a MILLER is still terrible play.
"Jay, chill, dude. Put the stick down."
"**** you, bob, this *** is getting hit with the Stupid Stick (TM) and there's nothing anyone can say that's gonna stop me."
"..."
"...Dammit, that condescending silence ****in' gets me every time."
"...:teach:"
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Meow.
He also needs to update the OP to reflect replacements, and SK hasn't posted in 8 days.
/end rant.
Unvote, Vote SK - Not posting in the 8 days before a deadline is reached is awful.
I couldn't agree with this more. \
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