I understood that UI was saying that Kpaca and Seppel coming up scum might be the end of the game. It's at least a possibility that the game has 5 mafia + 1 SK. He's probably wrong and it's 6 mafia, though..and who the last one is I have no idea whatsoever.
The day isn't going to end any time soon. Though things are slightly more active now, we're still really waiting on some kind of resolution to Seppel's situation. We don't really want to mislynch him, especially if that means we could have gotten a revived town body out of it. It would be great for Arimnaes to suddenly be alive in the thread. I'm just pretty skeptical that this is actually going to happen.
I'm not really thrilled at the idea of turning on points; I don't see a reason for it, unless we just completely miss today. We'll have to do it then. But if we bag another scum or two today, I think we're fine the way things are.
Also, RafK, didn't you claim earlier that you can use a point to alignment Cop somebody? Seems odd that you would want to turn on points and give the points to RR instead of being able to investigate people yourself.
As said earlier, I would very much like to use a point for this too if it can be spared, but I daresay RR is trusted more than me, and his ability comes into play straight away tomorrow- my next investigation can't affect the game until day 6.
I am waiting for someone anyone besides UI to say there's a consensus to vig kpaca. It still seems astonishingly unlikely to me that kpaca is scum if Kraj is town. I don't get why HKKID/kpaca as scum would bring in a town "voice", as Kraj becoming mod-confirmed was not something that could be predicted. It's not impossible, but does not seem to me to be playing the smart odds, and I have't seen much of a case.
Unfortunately this weekend has been nuts. I am hoping to get to do my own analysis (finally, etc) tomorrow night, but I have been hoping that for like 2 weeks already. I really need a holiday.
EBWODP: If arim isn't back by the next time Az shows up in the thread Seppel, it is curtains- but I still want point sharing turned on before any hammer on anyone, and like my increasing suspicion of the "rush" mentality towards lynching Seppel, I am increasingly suspicious of the attempts to not talk about turning point sharing on.
I'm not really thrilled at the idea of turning on points; I don't see a reason for it, unless we just completely miss today. We'll have to do it then. But if we bag another scum or two today, I think we're fine the way things are.
Yes, if we lynch the scum anyyway it's probably irrelevant, but it's still "best play". If we miss today, then turning point-sharing on tomorrow is too late as we won't have it until day 6. Planning for the best is stupid- hope for the best, but plan for the worst.
Not really sure what to make of this. The lack of modkill indicates Seppel wasn't outside his rights to contact arimnaes, but only if we believe he actually did so.
I'm done waiting. It's time for Seppel to use his ability on any townie, just to prove he has been telling the truth. I think rider is another good option, since he has been seen any number of times reading the thread. So submit the action to resurrect a townie of your choice. No more of this fooling around with asking players if they want to come back.
Actually, rider is the one townie for whom we do not have the role PM (and as Quartermaster, it seems likely he would know stuff about items or have been holding one or more items when he got killed). It might be worth bringing him back just for that, so yeah. No issues with rider being revived instead, although from a perspective point of view I would probably prefer arim or Axelrod's experience.
@DC: The thing is, unless you are making the argument that Zindabad faked being RBed by DYH on D3, and waited until awhile into the day to do it, it doesn't matter if he has acted in a scummy fashion, because having been RBed by a known scum RB clears him of anything else.
And if you ARE making that argument, it seems important to answer questions like 'Why Zindabad'. He really wasn't under any suspicion leading up to that; not RBing just so that he could be a little more distanced from DYH in the event that DYH ever got lynched(keep in mind that DYH was ALSO under no real suspicion at that point) just doesn't make sense.
While I understand some of your points, I think that, if you read Zindabad's posts, he has a genuine frustration in them. Not a type of frustration that you will get from a scum that expects people to see him as town but they don't; the type of frustration that a townie gets when he knows he is town, and feels that everyone else should know the same, and is mad because people aren't just lapping up all of his ideas just because he is confirmed town(or virtually so).
Re: 'why zindabad' -- I believe that in my case against him, I outlined the suspicious timing of when he came out with that RB revelation; just as iLord was coming under heavy pressure again. The end result of that revelation was a diffusal of said pressure. This has been my working theory on the motivation of that revelation.
Re: the roleblock -- You're right that this is a sticking point, for me. There is a possibility that he did indeed lie about it, but that begs the question of what DYH was doing that night instead; or perhaps he didn't lie about it, and they were setting up a gambit similar to what you did in Prehistoric. The circumstances in that game were completely different, though; I'm not sure what benefit could have been derived from pulling that move right then.
Two other possibilities remain, then. One is that DYH did it uniterally and presumably justified himself in mafia chat later; this is possible, given that DYH appears to have been working at cross-purposes with the rest of the mafia, and might also explain how zindabad suddenly switched from outright calling him a scum RB to 'not being interested' in him again a few pages later. The other possibility is that DYH did, in fact, have something else to do that night... which is why I've been asking if Dagger/creampuffeater ever claimed his targets.
I disagree with this (obv). I can accept lynching kpaca first iff Seppel resurrects arimnaes, but I don't like your targets for the vig. If kpaca's scum, we can afford to wait until we're closer to LoL to finish him off and we'll get to keep our best voice for at least another day. And I'm opposed to an abbey kill right now. I think that I'd be able to accept him in the town at end-game, but there's absolutely no way I'd want Seppel or dC there. I would like a claim from him in not too long though.
I'm not sure if I should bristle at being lumped with Seppel again.
And perhaps you missed my claim about having no abilities of any relevance at this time, given that my only current ability has been useless since I got it.
Actually, rider is the one townie for whom we do not have the role PM (and as Quartermaster, it seems likely he would know stuff about items or have been holding one or more items when he got killed). It might be worth bringing him back just for that, so yeah. No issues with rider being revived instead, although from a perspective point of view I would probably prefer arim or Axelrod's experience.
...*slaps forehead* Right. rider. How did I forget.
I'm down with bringing rider back. If it actually happens.
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Your pointless bravado and lack of even an attempt at defence fail to amuse me, too.
And thanks for the reminder. Vote: zindabad
Your lack of any kind of relevant content since yesterday fails to amuse me. But carry on with your witch hunt. You can analyze it till the cows come home, and in doing so waste the limited time you appear to have on twilight zone speculation, but at the end of the game it will be made clear that it was simply a case of townie getting RB'ed by scum.
I'm slowly starting to believe you are town, however. Scum would know I'm not getting lynched today or any day if I didn't get lynched yesterday, and they wouldn't continue to waste their time on me while there are players looking considerably more vulnerable. This just looks like the worst case of townie tunnel vision ever.
Point sharing: Heard plenty about it from suspicious people. What do Kraj and AG have to say about the subject?
kpaca v. D_V: Still can't shake the feeling CC was scum and D_V by association. Now that we've had it confirmed that Kraj actually belongs to kpaca's line, why should D_V be off the menu? Any points CC gained from bringing Ash's vote to bear on DYH should be negated by the fact that both iLord and DYH were scum.
A sharp, keening whine slices through the fierce debate, like the scream of a lost soul, and the lights momentarily flicker. The whine drones on, from somewhere deep beneath the labyrinth of metal grating and pipes that form the floor and guts of the facility.
Huddled children started with fear and slunk further into tucked-away corners. Toughened marines with dark shadows creeping beneath their eyes once again shouldered weapons, locked ammunition into place. Few surprises in this nightmare had worked to their advantage.
Boots thudding heavily on the grating, a half-dozen of the marines combed through the lower levels, chasing the scream with gun barrels darting from shadow to shadow.
When they reached the heavy secruity door barring entry to the labratory suites, the keening was silenced. One marine attacked the guts of the entry panel to the security door with a computer, but failed to penetrate it. Slapping an explosive to the center of the door, the marines blasted through the thick barrier in a holocaust of fire and twisted metal. Pouring through the smoke, the marines entered the labratories.
Past overturned desks and blood-stained carpets, they found their way into a massive room, full of cryogenic freezer units. One marine, an old veteran with a slight, aching limp in his right leg, hobbled rapidly over to one of the freezers and wiped away the frost with a gloved hand. The unit was occupied: by a tattooed man with manacles bound about his wrists, and scowl frozen permanently in place. Limping-leg eyed the other marines, as they checked the others. All occupied. All with prisoners.
Then the sudden sparking of electricity from a closed room at the end of the hallway seized their attention. Flooding rapidly down the corridor, they moved into position, and kicked in the unsecured door.
Before them lay two bodies, bound and tied to tables, and covered in medical apparatus. One was a corpse: the corpse of Travis Ortiz, recovered from the garbage bins and crudely strapped into place. The other was a manacled prisoner; his skull slit open so that his brain matter was exposed to open air, an implant gripping the tissue with appendages, like a metal insect. Cables blackened and ruined by an excessive current of power continued to vomit feeble showers of sparks.
"What the hell were they doing in this place..." muttered limp-leg.
Then, in a sudden motion, the prisoner's eyes flashed open and he came upright. His mouth contorted itself briefly, as if its owner were still becoming used to movement. Finally, it settled into an unsettlingly bright smile.
"I'm back."
Rider/Stalkidnapper has entered the game. A vote against Rider will result in his termination via daykill. With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
While I am Michael Moore, stalkidnapper filmmaker extraordinaire! a whole lot has happened since I last posted as rider. I've reread about 2/3rds of what I missed overnight, but I'm going to require a few more hours to complete my review.
In the meantime, I have been following recent events, but wouldn't mind seeing a cliff's notes version of a situation appraisal from someone...
It appears to be Jill Crowe's data chip. A light on the device is persistently blinking, signalling that new information has recently been generated in the chip's memory. With luck, you may be able to extract it. You return upstairs with the prisoner in tow, and turn the chip over to a tech, who begins to tinker with it.
1) I did not recieve a PM (to rider or to this account) from Seppel
2) I do not know the identity of who raised me.
3) I am continuing to play as if I am a townie.
Seppel, why did you lie about your pm schenanigans?
How do you know if Seppel lied?
Let me put it a different way: I have provided the facts for my experience, but that does not make me conclude Seppel lied so much as make me wonder whether we know the whole story.
Well, he consistently claims that Pm's go to Axel or Arim asking if they'd like to be revived, and you just refuted that didn't you?
I am prepared to believe that mistakes may have been made in earlier attempts to use this ability and that the process was 'refined' to the way it worked for me.
I stated I didn't get a PM from Seppel and I don't know who brought me back. I didn't say that I wasn't given a choice, nor did I say it wasn't offered via a PM. I think this is sufficient detail and I'd rather not tap dance myself into a minefield by being more specific regarding the process right now.
Jill Crowe was part of arimnaes's role name. I wonder what on earth he has to do with all of this.
rider, can you please answer any of the following:
Why are you posting as stalkidnapper? Relatedly, why is rider listed as being in the game again when you are posting under this account?
Please explain exactly how you came to be back in the game again.
Can you please tell us exactly what your quartermaster abilties were? Did you start with any points?
Jill Crowe was part of arimnaes's role name. I wonder what on earth he has to do with all of this.
rider, can you please answer any of the following:
Why are you posting as stalkidnapper? Relatedly, why is rider listed as being in the game again when you are posting under this account?
Please explain exactly how you came to be back in the game again.
Can you please tell us exactly what your quartermaster abilties were? Did you start with any points?
To the first 2 questions: Obviously, I am rider. I made a funny post at post #95, and I couldn't resist coming back into this game as my own gimmick. I think it's going to be easy enough to convince you of this if you doubt I am actually the same human posting as was the one posting as rider. It may be entirely trivial depending on what is acceptable to you as evidence.
I am unsure how much detail I am permitted to provide regarding the mechanism of my revival. Suffice it to say for now that I was contacted and given options regarding my return.
I can *paraphrase* my quartermaster abilities, I suspect it should be fine to give you the syntax of the abilities usage and my own wording for what happens. I'll need to log out/back in to get you the exact syntax. I am able to do this, but I question whether it is necessary. It seems to be a tiptoe at the fine edge of rules regarding quoting PMs...
Just to clarify my last, regarding b): I believe that it is possible the ability was *originally* supposed to work as Seppel described but was refined on the fly.
To the first 2 questions: Obviously, I am rider. I made a funny post at post #95, and I couldn't resist coming back into this game as my own gimmick. I think it's going to be easy enough to convince you of this if you doubt I am actually the same human posting as was the one posting as rider. It may be entirely trivial depending on what is acceptable to you as evidence.
I am unsure how much detail I am permitted to provide regarding the mechanism of my revival. Suffice it to say for now that I was contacted and given options regarding my return.
I can *paraphrase* my quartermaster abilities, I suspect it should be fine to give you the syntax of the abilities usage and my own wording for what happens. I'll need to log out/back in to get you the exact syntax. I am able to do this, but I question whether it is necessary. It seems to be a tiptoe at the fine edge of rules regarding quoting PMs...
I don't think I was clear enough. I don't doubt for a moment that you are in fact rider. I just wondered whether or not the stalkidnapper gimmick was in some way tied to the ability used, but now that we know it's not, we can move on.
I accept your decision to leave the details of your revival undefined.
Paraphrasing is what I wanted when I said "exactly." It's the difference between "o hai guyz I can revive people" and "It costs me 4 points to revive someone, my item gets destroyed when I do, and if anyone votes them, they die." (just to use an example.)
I don't see why rider would have any reason to lie, and considering Cyan's verification of Seppel's abilities as well as rider's own evidence, I think Seppel can now be put in the clear as far as the dodginess concerning arimnaes's revival is concerned. Doesn't mean he can't still be scum (even though I am sure he is not) but he wasn't lying about it.
I don't think I was clear enough. I don't doubt for a moment that you are in fact rider. I just wondered whether or not the stalkidnapper gimmick was in some way tied to the ability used, but now that we know it's not, we can move on.
I accept your decision to leave the details of your revival undefined.
Paraphrasing is what I wanted when I said "exactly." It's the difference between "o hai guyz I can revive people" and "It costs me 4 points to revive someone, my item gets destroyed when I do, and if anyone votes them, they die." (just to use an example.)
(note tense here, it is intentional)
Loosely, I could take a couple of points from someone, give a couple of points to somone or transfer all points from one player to another.
I started with 0 points but gained a point each day.
I don't see why rider would have any reason to lie, and considering Cyan's verification of Seppel's abilities as well as rider's own evidence, I think Seppel can now be put in the clear as far as the dodginess concerning arimnaes's revival is concerned. Doesn't mean he can't still be scum (even though I am sure he is not) but he wasn't lying about it.
Clearly someone can revive folks, I think it's reasonable to think that someone is Seppel.
I'm not sure if I should bristle at being lumped with Seppel again.
If it helps, when you're here you're cool.
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And perhaps you missed my claim about having no abilities of any relevance at this time, given that my only current ability has been useless since I got it.
Why yes. Yes I did.
Also, idle thought that is unrelated to the revival of rider (which doesn't make me less suspicious of seppel at all. 'Use your ability or get lynched' leads to the first if they're town or scum)
This may be random, but I want to note that Seppel was the player that made iLord commit to a position regarding radiation in 2418, when it had been ignored for some time that day. I think this is pretty compelling despite DYH busing iLord that same day.
Yeah, we talked about that. You seem to see it as a point in Seppel's favor, when honestly, I see it as a point against him.
Why do you think this is a + for Seppel?
It reads townie to me to try and pin iLord down on his actions.
It's sort of the same reason I could never have voted clem for stepping forward after pushing the big red button.
I feel scum have a primary motivation of not getting pinned down on information and activities as long as possible, and can always wait until such info is dragged out of them. Also there are plenty of reasons a scum seppel can toss iLord under the bus there that don't require pinning down who got targeted with radiation.
rider: case for Cyan is town mostly relies on reading of his attitude, I think... perhaps, more than anything, the way he acted towards outing Seppel's lying about his role. He is not by any means a confirmed town, but there seems to be scummier people on the whole.
I tend to agree with you on Seppel, though. I'm pretty confident you have it right exactly regarding what went on with the use of Seppel's ability, and the fact is that the people trying to talk up the confusion never made a case as to why a scum Seppel would lie about trying to bring in arim - the closest thing was really my excursion into checking if Seppel had covertly brought back a scum, which was the only thing I could think of that Seppel could be covering (since we know from Cyan that the ability is true, and from the game mechanics that he has been receiving points). After all of that, I'm probably more confident than ever that Seppel is actually town.
I kind of suspect the Jill Crowe thing is going to be Az flavorfully informing us that arim is out-of-contact or whatever.
Wow, hit submit way to early. The chip is supposed to have new info on it.
I find Cyan to be town.
@Rider you said you would play this as though you were town. Does that mean that you are no longer town?
Anyways.
Unvote Vote UI
I really have not liked the way you have played. Plus you tried to wagon Seppel. Plus your claim really stinks. I don't like it at all. You get random abilities. I don't think that this confirms you what so ever and I fail to see how you would think that this does.
@DV: While I'm starting to come around(again) to the opinion that UI could be scum, I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as his ability goes, considering that he is largely confirmed(he knew the moderator clause and he knew that Zindabad is a Legislator).
Wow, hit submit way to early. The chip is supposed to have new info on it.
I find Cyan to be town.
@Rider you said you would play this as though you were town. Does that mean that you are no longer town?
I can tell you that in addition to it being a generally funny quote (I forget the source but someone said in one of the boards I post on "continue to play as if you were a townie"), at the time I made that post I was unaware of my post-revival alignment. This has since been clarified.
@DV: While I'm starting to come around(again) to the opinion that UI could be scum, I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as his ability goes, considering that he is largely confirmed(he knew the moderator clause and he knew that Zindabad is a Legislator).
I mean that it doesn't confirm him as town. As I felt that the lead us to believe.
You keep saying you're trying to find suspects. Well, look at yourself.
You discovered my role last night. You knew something had to be done about it, and you knew how unstable I am, and you knew that it was better to get me lynched instead of having to waste a kill on me, someone who you wouldn't put it past to self-doc each night.
That's why you played flip-flopsies on me. Because flipping back and forth like that, you appear stupid instead of mafia. Your inability to hold a case on me was limited to how much you felt you could push for my lynch.
You always fall back on "DYH says he blocked me, that means I'm town." Bull. The claim of a scum doesn't determine your alignment at all.
Your solid stance of protection of desCoures is just a red herring for when you turn up scum. You're down to one (non-Asian) scumbuddy and you're just trying to make your group look bigger by estimating the mafia size. You've successfully inspired fear in everyone by forcing me to blow up my Revival Chamber.
As said earlier, I would very much like to use a point for this too if it can be spared, but I daresay RR is trusted more than me, and his ability comes into play straight away tomorrow- my next investigation can't affect the game until day 6.
I am waiting for someone anyone besides UI to say there's a consensus to vig kpaca. It still seems astonishingly unlikely to me that kpaca is scum if Kraj is town. I don't get why HKKID/kpaca as scum would bring in a town "voice", as Kraj becoming mod-confirmed was not something that could be predicted. It's not impossible, but does not seem to me to be playing the smart odds, and I have't seen much of a case.
Unfortunately this weekend has been nuts. I am hoping to get to do my own analysis (finally, etc) tomorrow night, but I have been hoping that for like 2 weeks already. I really need a holiday.
Yes, if we lynch the scum anyyway it's probably irrelevant, but it's still "best play". If we miss today, then turning point-sharing on tomorrow is too late as we won't have it until day 6. Planning for the best is stupid- hope for the best, but plan for the worst.
2 Kpaca-DV, Seppel
2 Seppel- UI, Kpaca
1 ShadowKnight-Robroy
With twelve alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
Static.
I'm done waiting. It's time for Seppel to use his ability on any townie, just to prove he has been telling the truth. I think rider is another good option, since he has been seen any number of times reading the thread. So submit the action to resurrect a townie of your choice. No more of this fooling around with asking players if they want to come back.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
If we haven't received indication of Rider being revived within..I dunno, 48 hours I guess, it's time to move forward.
@Cyan
Re: 'why zindabad' -- I believe that in my case against him, I outlined the suspicious timing of when he came out with that RB revelation; just as iLord was coming under heavy pressure again. The end result of that revelation was a diffusal of said pressure. This has been my working theory on the motivation of that revelation.
Re: the roleblock -- You're right that this is a sticking point, for me. There is a possibility that he did indeed lie about it, but that begs the question of what DYH was doing that night instead; or perhaps he didn't lie about it, and they were setting up a gambit similar to what you did in Prehistoric. The circumstances in that game were completely different, though; I'm not sure what benefit could have been derived from pulling that move right then.
Two other possibilities remain, then. One is that DYH did it uniterally and presumably justified himself in mafia chat later; this is possible, given that DYH appears to have been working at cross-purposes with the rest of the mafia, and might also explain how zindabad suddenly switched from outright calling him a scum RB to 'not being interested' in him again a few pages later. The other possibility is that DYH did, in fact, have something else to do that night... which is why I've been asking if Dagger/creampuffeater ever claimed his targets.
@zindabad
Your pointless bravado and lack of even an attempt at defence fail to amuse me, too.
And thanks for the reminder. Vote: zindabad
In other news...
@UI
I'm not sure if I should bristle at being lumped with Seppel again.
And perhaps you missed my claim about having no abilities of any relevance at this time, given that my only current ability has been useless since I got it.
@RafaelK
...*slaps forehead* Right. rider. How did I forget.
I'm down with bringing rider back. If it actually happens.
@Seppel
This is a good question.
I'm also down with turning on points sharing.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
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Your lack of any kind of relevant content since yesterday fails to amuse me. But carry on with your witch hunt. You can analyze it till the cows come home, and in doing so waste the limited time you appear to have on twilight zone speculation, but at the end of the game it will be made clear that it was simply a case of townie getting RB'ed by scum.
I'm slowly starting to believe you are town, however. Scum would know I'm not getting lynched today or any day if I didn't get lynched yesterday, and they wouldn't continue to waste their time on me while there are players looking considerably more vulnerable. This just looks like the worst case of townie tunnel vision ever.
Point sharing: Heard plenty about it from suspicious people. What do Kraj and AG have to say about the subject?
kpaca v. D_V: Still can't shake the feeling CC was scum and D_V by association. Now that we've had it confirmed that Kraj actually belongs to kpaca's line, why should D_V be off the menu? Any points CC gained from bringing Ash's vote to bear on DYH should be negated by the fact that both iLord and DYH were scum.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Now I'm going to die tonight and/or the RCAK's going to be stolen tonight.
So screw you all, especially Cyan.
Bye.
Huddled children started with fear and slunk further into tucked-away corners. Toughened marines with dark shadows creeping beneath their eyes once again shouldered weapons, locked ammunition into place. Few surprises in this nightmare had worked to their advantage.
Boots thudding heavily on the grating, a half-dozen of the marines combed through the lower levels, chasing the scream with gun barrels darting from shadow to shadow.
When they reached the heavy secruity door barring entry to the labratory suites, the keening was silenced. One marine attacked the guts of the entry panel to the security door with a computer, but failed to penetrate it. Slapping an explosive to the center of the door, the marines blasted through the thick barrier in a holocaust of fire and twisted metal. Pouring through the smoke, the marines entered the labratories.
Past overturned desks and blood-stained carpets, they found their way into a massive room, full of cryogenic freezer units. One marine, an old veteran with a slight, aching limp in his right leg, hobbled rapidly over to one of the freezers and wiped away the frost with a gloved hand. The unit was occupied: by a tattooed man with manacles bound about his wrists, and scowl frozen permanently in place. Limping-leg eyed the other marines, as they checked the others. All occupied. All with prisoners.
Then the sudden sparking of electricity from a closed room at the end of the hallway seized their attention. Flooding rapidly down the corridor, they moved into position, and kicked in the unsecured door.
Before them lay two bodies, bound and tied to tables, and covered in medical apparatus. One was a corpse: the corpse of Travis Ortiz, recovered from the garbage bins and crudely strapped into place. The other was a manacled prisoner; his skull slit open so that his brain matter was exposed to open air, an implant gripping the tissue with appendages, like a metal insect. Cables blackened and ruined by an excessive current of power continued to vomit feeble showers of sparks.
"What the hell were they doing in this place..." muttered limp-leg.
Then, in a sudden motion, the prisoner's eyes flashed open and he came upright. His mouth contorted itself briefly, as if its owner were still becoming used to movement. Finally, it settled into an unsettlingly bright smile.
"I'm back."
Rider/Stalkidnapper has entered the game. A vote against Rider will result in his termination via daykill. With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
In the meantime, I have been following recent events, but wouldn't mind seeing a cliff's notes version of a situation appraisal from someone...
'You may want to take a look at that."
Maybe that works.
Started the game with quartermaster aspect only, no items.
Also, the aspect had 3 abilities all related to points transfer.
It appears to be Jill Crowe's data chip. A light on the device is persistently blinking, signalling that new information has recently been generated in the chip's memory. With luck, you may be able to extract it. You return upstairs with the prisoner in tow, and turn the chip over to a tech, who begins to tinker with it.
1) I did not recieve a PM (to rider or to this account) from Seppel
2) I do not know the identity of who raised me.
3) I am continuing to play as if I am a townie.
Seppel, why did you lie about your pm schenanigans?
How do you know if Seppel lied?
Let me put it a different way: I have provided the facts for my experience, but that does not make me conclude Seppel lied so much as make me wonder whether we know the whole story.
I am prepared to believe that mistakes may have been made in earlier attempts to use this ability and that the process was 'refined' to the way it worked for me.
I stated I didn't get a PM from Seppel and I don't know who brought me back. I didn't say that I wasn't given a choice, nor did I say it wasn't offered via a PM. I think this is sufficient detail and I'd rather not tap dance myself into a minefield by being more specific regarding the process right now.
rider, can you please answer any of the following:
Why are you posting as stalkidnapper? Relatedly, why is rider listed as being in the game again when you are posting under this account?
Please explain exactly how you came to be back in the game again.
Can you please tell us exactly what your quartermaster abilties were? Did you start with any points?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Pertinent, not personal.
Sometimes I wonder if my hands and brain are connected at all.
To the first 2 questions: Obviously, I am rider. I made a funny post at post #95, and I couldn't resist coming back into this game as my own gimmick. I think it's going to be easy enough to convince you of this if you doubt I am actually the same human posting as was the one posting as rider. It may be entirely trivial depending on what is acceptable to you as evidence.
I am unsure how much detail I am permitted to provide regarding the mechanism of my revival. Suffice it to say for now that I was contacted and given options regarding my return.
I can *paraphrase* my quartermaster abilities, I suspect it should be fine to give you the syntax of the abilities usage and my own wording for what happens. I'll need to log out/back in to get you the exact syntax. I am able to do this, but I question whether it is necessary. It seems to be a tiptoe at the fine edge of rules regarding quoting PMs...
You seem to be more willing than I to leap from
a) Seppel claimed to PM previous revival folks directly
to
b) This was the way the ability was intended to work
to
c) This wasn't the way rider came back
to
d) Seppel must be lying.
I know for certain a) and c), but you only have other folks to rely on for that.
b) is the real kicker for me, as I suspect some level of error in communication may have occured.
I think that if b) then *likely* d) but even then, it may not necessarily follow.
I don't think I was clear enough. I don't doubt for a moment that you are in fact rider. I just wondered whether or not the stalkidnapper gimmick was in some way tied to the ability used, but now that we know it's not, we can move on.
I accept your decision to leave the details of your revival undefined.
Paraphrasing is what I wanted when I said "exactly." It's the difference between "o hai guyz I can revive people" and "It costs me 4 points to revive someone, my item gets destroyed when I do, and if anyone votes them, they die." (just to use an example.)
I don't see why rider would have any reason to lie, and considering Cyan's verification of Seppel's abilities as well as rider's own evidence, I think Seppel can now be put in the clear as far as the dodginess concerning arimnaes's revival is concerned. Doesn't mean he can't still be scum (even though I am sure he is not) but he wasn't lying about it.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Cool.
(note tense here, it is intentional)
Loosely, I could take a couple of points from someone, give a couple of points to somone or transfer all points from one player to another.
I started with 0 points but gained a point each day.
Clearly someone can revive folks, I think it's reasonable to think that someone is Seppel.
Accordingly, Unvote
Back to the suspect list.
Why yes. Yes I did.
Also, idle thought that is unrelated to the revival of rider (which doesn't make me less suspicious of seppel at all. 'Use your ability or get lynched' leads to the first if they're town or scum)
Query: Mafia factioning
Query: Mafia Nightkill
No changes.
Why do you think this is a + for Seppel?
It reads townie to me to try and pin iLord down on his actions.
It's sort of the same reason I could never have voted clem for stepping forward after pushing the big red button.
I feel scum have a primary motivation of not getting pinned down on information and activities as long as possible, and can always wait until such info is dragged out of them. Also there are plenty of reasons a scum seppel can toss iLord under the bus there that don't require pinning down who got targeted with radiation.
I tend to agree with you on Seppel, though. I'm pretty confident you have it right exactly regarding what went on with the use of Seppel's ability, and the fact is that the people trying to talk up the confusion never made a case as to why a scum Seppel would lie about trying to bring in arim - the closest thing was really my excursion into checking if Seppel had covertly brought back a scum, which was the only thing I could think of that Seppel could be covering (since we know from Cyan that the ability is true, and from the game mechanics that he has been receiving points). After all of that, I'm probably more confident than ever that Seppel is actually town.
I kind of suspect the Jill Crowe thing is going to be Az flavorfully informing us that arim is out-of-contact or whatever.
I find Cyan to be town.
@Rider you said you would play this as though you were town. Does that mean that you are no longer town?
Anyways.
Unvote Vote UI
I really have not liked the way you have played. Plus you tried to wagon Seppel. Plus your claim really stinks. I don't like it at all. You get random abilities. I don't think that this confirms you what so ever and I fail to see how you would think that this does.
I don't know though, this conflicts with my idea that DV has to be scum since I'm town.
I can tell you that in addition to it being a generally funny quote (I forget the source but someone said in one of the boards I post on "continue to play as if you were a townie"), at the time I made that post I was unaware of my post-revival alignment. This has since been clarified.
I mean that it doesn't confirm him as town. As I felt that the lead us to believe.
He not the.
There are a lot of assumptions underlying this post, the most obvious one being that doctoring lasts all day (not just night).
If this is not the case, then the first list is irrelevant as the doctoring and the mafia daykill don't interact.
You keep saying you're trying to find suspects. Well, look at yourself.
You discovered my role last night. You knew something had to be done about it, and you knew how unstable I am, and you knew that it was better to get me lynched instead of having to waste a kill on me, someone who you wouldn't put it past to self-doc each night.
That's why you played flip-flopsies on me. Because flipping back and forth like that, you appear stupid instead of mafia. Your inability to hold a case on me was limited to how much you felt you could push for my lynch.
You always fall back on "DYH says he blocked me, that means I'm town." Bull. The claim of a scum doesn't determine your alignment at all.
Your solid stance of protection of desCoures is just a red herring for when you turn up scum. You're down to one (non-Asian) scumbuddy and you're just trying to make your group look bigger by estimating the mafia size. You've successfully inspired fear in everyone by forcing me to blow up my Revival Chamber.
You're not getting out of this one.