1. Usually attacks low hanging fruit. There was a bit that looks like distancing with Some One at the start of the game, and he joined the wagon against Cyan, but other then that it's been Jql and Infinis, with a side of Tilde and AH.
2. Tends to repeat what other's have said. Looks a lot like plain sight lurking. A lot of the time, a topic comes up, TMT goes "Hmm..." or something to that effect, everyone else gives their opinion, and then TMT restates what everyone else said as if it were his own thoughts. See above MassClaim Barning, RE Cyan's Claim, RE andelijah, and to lesser extent, CCCYYYAAAANNN WWWAAAGGGOONNN.
3. Strange assertion that Infinis would be Neutral on Day 1. This smells too much like a scum trying to hunt the other scum to get brownie points.
1) I've never liked this argument. It's one thing to accuse someone of making opportunistic votes, but to say that voting the "low hanging fruit" (which often seems to mean the people doing really obviously scummy things) is scummy just isn't true. I've voted for those who said things that made me question their motives. It's just that simple.
2) For this I would point out that I work graveyard shift, and generally sleep during the day (there are occasionally exceptions on my days off when I sometimes don't sleep at the normal time). Most people post during the day, so it's very common for the good points to already have been made by the time I post. To specifically address CC's point about the soft-claim, the reason I didn't post my thoughts in my first posts after it was brought up is that I was still weighing my opinion on the matter. I will also point out my stance on Infinis thing was anything but barning/parroting (yes, I know CC thinks the Infinis thing is a point against me, but it was simply honest scum hunting).
3) As I pointed out when this was first questioned by loran, I found his approach to Cyan's wagon very suspicious, but it didn't seem consistent with him being Cyan's scumbuddy. Thus I offered the suggestion that he was neutral, as it would both explain his behavior and his motives.
Now a question for CC: Why have you completely abandoned determining the answer behind the "Why is Cubus still alive"? At the end of yesterday and beginning of today, this was a major concern for you. You were staunchly against the idea of a godfather explaining it, so what other explanation would you be considering that wouldn't warrant this matter being further pursued? Is there a possibility aside from the obvious two (those being a godfather present and Cubus being scum)?
At this point, these are possibilities I see:
GR (lone remaining scum, not likely, but not as immediate a problem)
ande+CC (possible if one of them is a godfather, but confirmable with an ande lynch)
Roja+Cubus (would explain much, though it would mean the town had no true cop)
loran+Cubus (the only way I could see loran as scum is in this pairing)
loran+anyone else doesn't reconcile with Cubus remaining alive unless either loran or the role-blocker is also a godfather, which seems unlikely. CC being scum with anyone other than andelijah seems unlikely, since scum don't generally hand out kill protection to townies.
Unless Cubus is willing to actually full claim like everyone else and can provide something worthwhile, I think we can seal up the endgame lynching him. If he flips scum, we lynch Roja and loran over the next two days. If he flips town, we lynch andelijah. If andelijah flips scum, we lynch CC. If he flips town, then GR pretty much has to be the last remaining scum.
EBWODP: This is the best I can come up with. I know I'm town, I know who has claimed what roles and what night actions taken/received (with the exception of Cubus, who remains closed-mouthed on the matter). Given what I know, this the best plan I can come up with.
Can I get a MODPROD on Goatrevolt (Last post 04/07/09) And one on TMT (Last post 04/12/09).
The Mad Tapper is apparently here, and goatrevolt's already been prodded. He mentioned some nasty real life issues during Night 4 or 5, and I'm guessing they've grown big on him. He hasn't posted on the site since the day of his last post in this thread.
Votecount 20 - The Final Countdown andelijah - 2 (Cubus, Roja)
Cubus - 1 (The Mad Tapper)
Roja - 1 (andelijah)
The Mad Tapper - 1 (loran16)
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch. Deadline is set for Saturday, April 18th at approximately 1:00PM CST.
loran+anyone else doesn't reconcile with Cubus remaining alive unless either loran or the role-blocker is also a godfather, which seems unlikely.
Can you explain why Cubus remaining alive is a point for or against anyone?
I would also like you to explain why you choose to make the move towards Cubus this late in the day.
It would be great to see Cubus claim before night, but I will only have my votes on Roja, The Mad Tapper, or myself today (preferences in that order, moving my vote to achieve a lynch if no lynch is imminent).
Can you explain why Cubus remaining alive is a point for or against anyone?
Because, as CC originally pointed out, there's something amiss with a semi-claimed investigative role remaining completely unmolested for four straight nights.
I would also like you to explain why you choose to make the move towards Cubus this late in the day.
Because it's taken me this long to narrow down what I consider to be the feasible scum combinations, and given the combinations I came up with lynching him makes the most sense.
Also CC why did you give this "extra life" to Andel and not DYH night 1?
I have experience with DYH bussing scum buddies before, and his early conviction gave me the feeling he wasn't being genuine. The early attacks were a point in his favor, but ande did that too, and my gut had him as more likely to be town, at the time.
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I disagree, as Roja makes it seem like his shot was successful. Based on the description, there is no way I could see that being a roleblock (a protect of some sort... maybe, unlikely though).
I explained why that makes sense.
A. Usually, the mechanics of the game work such that if a one shot ability is roleblocked, the shot is still used up.
B. From a flavor prespective, it makes no sense for an ability being blocked to result in the shot being used, unless the flavor includes the player using the abiity and missing.
Given A + B, it makes sense for Ged to write the flavor in a way were Roja is knocked into a "daze" that causes him to shoot at something that isn't actually his target, rather then having him just knocked unconsiouss like Infinis was.
In addition, spot's description was also flavorfully different from Infinis' as Infinis said himself, but there is not logical explanation for that.
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Another question: On day 1, loran decided that Cyan was town and that The Mad Tapper was scum. How does this fit into your theory that they are buddies? Surely if loran was willing to bus one partner, he'd jump on the other just as easily, no?
This is interesting.
After my reread, I concluded that it is much more likely that TMT is the last scum, or that you are his buddy, so it fits just fine. But you don't seem particularly inclined to believe loran is scum, nor are you opposed to a TMT lynch, nor do you have any reason to try to read me given that you are the one vouching for my townieness.
So what was the purpose of asking this question?
Many of the nightkills can be explained by other motives, and realistically, a Cop is just as hurtful right now as a tracker. The scum have been down to two since they lost someone and spot, so one is killing and one is blocking. A watch on either of them is GG.
THis game is taking up way too much of my time right now. More later.
Because, as CC originally pointed out, there's something amiss with a semi-claimed investigative role remaining completely unmolested for four straight nights.
Perhaps I should clarify:
Why is Cubus being alive a point against anyone except Cubus?
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In addition, spot's description was also flavorfully different from Infinis' as Infinis said himself, but there is not logical explanation for that.
Not incredibly much so, at least in my opinion.
So what was the purpose of asking this question?
Thought provoking. Your plan had the following lynches:
Me>The Mad Tapper>loran
I'm saying that if The Mad Tapper is scum, loran is not the next logical lynch, Roja (or, in extreme scenarios, Cubus) is.
The other point was that... your plan had me dying first. I couldn't exactly make the point tomorrow.
Why is Cubus being alive a point against anyone except Cubus?
To clarify my own point: Cubus being both alive and unhindered seems out of place, and is most easily explained by either a) Cubus being scum or b) the presence of a godfather role. The reason I mentioned Cubus in reference to a loran+other scenario is that it would likely mean one of the two is a godfather, but would also mean one of them had two roles (neighbor+godfather or roleblocker+godfather). I don't really think that's particularly likely, so I think that the only way loran could be scum is if he's Cubus's partner.
What would be the point of a godfather role with no real presence of a "Cop" role? I mean we really dont have a clue on Cubus on what he really is, (sure we could guess) I guess im annoyed with how he is above the rest of us when it comes to fully claim.
The second point I think against a godfather role is wasen't Cyan an Ascetic? Godfather AND an Ascetic? Arn't they most like each other in the role department?
With the votes spread out and 1 day left, on a deadline I ask: If CC did give Andel the extra life. Would the day be extended if this life were used during the day? (Meaning we wouldn't go to night?)
I think some of CC's points against TMT are good. I also think TMT's questioning of Cubus is also good. I really really really want to hear from Goat, and im sorry he's got RL issues.
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I'm a one-shot rolecop. There you have it. I targeted Some One on night 1, and found out that I got abilities as well as rolename, and figured Some One had to be scum, since his name didn't match his subclaim, and, well, he was the Underminer.
Ok so I have to ask why you thought this information was so useful to keep to yourself and announce NOW 1 day to the deadline to reveal?
You mentioned you would keep it to yourself until you find something useful, what was it?
@ TMT & Loran: It's gonna be either andelijah or Roja today, so make up your mind. Starting cases on other targets near the end of the day is going to help no one. We need a lynch.
Any reason you left out CC in your boldness?
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@ TMT & Loran: It's gonna be either andelijah or Roja today, so make up your mind. Starting cases on other targets near the end of the day is going to help no one. We need a lynch.
Sigh, i figured as much on your role.
As for this paragraph....no. TMT has to be scum, anyway i look at it at this point (unless there's one scum left). So, no, i'm not chaning my vote.
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So you want a no lynch instead of lynching the person who's most likely TMT's partner in your scenario?
I'm not positive on andelijah, and there's no reason why you won't budge and vote TMT, so, no i won't budge.
This aint gonna cause a no lynch either.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, GED, can we get a deadline extension till you at least find a replacement for goatrevolt? This is getting ridiculous.
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Roja: Tell me, then, what use would it have had if I'd claimed earlier? The sole reason I claimed is that I'm being voted, which is absolutely ridiculous.
You wouldn't have blipped on my radar.
I don't understand why you claiming is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you above the rest of us? And you give it away as soon as someone votes for you? You see why I question you yea?
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SPEAKING OF WHICH, GED, can we get a deadline extension till you at least find a replacement for goatrevolt? This is getting ridiculous.
I don't use replacements.
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But given the setback that may cause for the town, the deadline is extended until Tuesday, April 21st at 12:00 noon CST. This is the last extension I'm going to give unless goatrevolt shows up less than 24 hours before the deadline and begs for time to catch up.
But given the setback that may cause for the town, the deadline is extended until Tuesday, April 21st at 12:00 noon CST. This is the last extension I'm going to give unless goatrevolt shows up less than 24 hours before the deadline and begs for time to catch up.
So what happens if GR doesn't show up? Modkill?
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I had forgotten about Cubus asking for no protection. That makes things make a lot more sense. Of course it also puts me back at square one.
unvote, vote Roja
Seriously, can we lynch Tapper now?
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TMT has roleplayed from the beginning of the game, then claims a characters that's different from the character he roleplayed. A scum wouldn't do that. That and I think it's a role that Ged would put in the game, and as far as I know, there isn't a supervillain in his source comic, so I very much doubt that Stupendous Man isn't actually TMT's role. He's very, very likely town.
I disagree on this. If TMT is a Calvin-alter ego, (and that doesnt make him town), he mightve decided to roleplay like he did.
Also, if was scum teamed with another character who was an alter ego of their comic character (SpotofPrey) he could've gotten the idea of the falseclaim from SpotofPrey.
I'm pretty convinced CC and andelijah are the scums here, and if I'm wrong, we still have a pretty decent lynch, because if andelijah's town, then so is CC. That makes 3 confirmed town in a near-endgame.
You should really stop being so stubborn and do what's right here, loran.
I'm pretty convinced CC isn't scum. So no.
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I'm not really seeing CC as scum right now. His reason for not targeting DYH makes plenty of sense. In fact, DYH was one of my possible track choices N1 for that exact reason. He buses a lot as scum, and he was really hard on Cyan from the beginning. However, me thinking CC town contradicts with my belief that Roja is town and shot Spot. How else did spot survive? Mafia doc perhaps? At any rate, I'm sticking to behavioral analysis here, and behavioral analysis points at Andelijah-scum/Roja-town.
Roja does not strike me as scum based on behavior, and that is a strong indicator to me. I'm generally not wrong about strong townie reads.
I think Andelijah is scum. TMT is my 2nd choice. After that, it gets hazy.
I'm fairly confident Cubus is town. Almost 100% sure. 1-shot Doc. 1-shot Cop. 1-Shot vig. I'm seeing a pattern here.
Loran is a possibility as scum, but I have not gotten any sort of a scum read from him all game. Not a lynch option today in my mind.
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I can't guarantee frequency of posting. I'm going to have to replace out of my other game. I want to stick in this game because, 1. no replacements, 2. I think I have a somewhat decent grasp of this game, despite my severe inactivity as of late, and 3. me getting modkilled as a PR would be such a huge blow to the town.
TMT, there is no way I'm scum. I would have had to throw away spot AFTER Cubus outed Some One. 0% likelihood.
The deadline is extended until Tuesday, April 21st at 12:00 noon CST. This is the last extension I'm going to give unless goatrevolt shows up...and begs for time to catch up.
I'm willing to extend that just a couple days longer if you (GR) would like that time to catch up on things.
Objections include:
1) goatrevolt asking for more time.
2) Someone who is voting me voting The Mad Tapper instead (in which case I will vote him).
3) The Mad Tapper lynching me to save me the trouble.
Stick to CropCircles' plan put forward earlier, I guess. At this point, its the most reasonable.
Ok, I'm as caught up as I'm going to ever really get at this point. A deadline extension would be nice, just to get everyone's opinion and vote set, but it's not mandatory for the purpose of getting me caught up.
I think CC's plan is good. I still believe the last scum are Andelijah/TMT, with side possibility of either CC or Loran.
Based on my understanding of the rules, we would have a No Lynch if no votes changed by deadline. That is about the worst possible outcome for today.
If Andelijah is scum, he won't follow through on his claim of self-lynch because there is no benefit for scum in that play. I'd suggest either Loran or CC (or TMT, but I think he's scum and don't trust him) hammer him before the deadline.
I am also willing to hammer TMT before deadline.
I'm banking on Roja-town here, but the fact that TMT and Andelijah are both voting for Roja is meaningful to me. TMT has practically ignored Andelijah for all purposes.
We got time. I'm hoping to get in a post promoting TMT rather than ande, but i cant promise anything. And god knows, i am active enough to ensure a lynch in the worst case sceneario.
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If Andelijah is scum, he won't follow through on his claim of self-lynch because there is no benefit for scum in that play. I'd suggest either Loran or CC (or TMT, but I think he's scum and don't trust him) hammer him before the deadline.
Benefit? We are being told he is holding onto a "second life". To me what better a way to "sacrifice" yourself when trying to look good?
I am also willing to hammer TMT before deadline.
I'm banking on Roja-town here, but the fact that TMT and Andelijah are both voting for Roja is meaningful to me. TMT has practically ignored Andelijah for all purposes.
I dont think TMT has "practically ignored" Andelijah he has said some about him, and some of it is about how Andel is slightly scummy however an overall town vibe.
I still feel Andelijah is scum, and am warming the fact that TMT is as well. Seeing as my vote is on one of these two and would only make the vote reach L -1 I am keeping it on Andel.
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andelijah - 4 (Cubus, Roja, goatrevolt, andelijah)
Roja - 1 (The Mad Tapper)
The Mad Tapper - 2 (loran16, CropCircles)
Paranoia. It's a dangerous thing.
Mom always warned you not to play with knives, not to eat soup that's just come out of the microwave, and to be careful when you run lest someone trip and poke their eye out. The more important lessons are harder to teach - there's no short quip to teach a child everything it needs to know about whether the man in front of him is telling the truth or fingering a gun. You have to learn things like that the hard way.
Roja, for example, is about to learn that the hard way.
One minute the debate was just that: an organized discussion to determine which side of an argument was correct. The next, things had gotten out of hand. It's hard to keep a level head when people's lives are on the line, and even harder when you know someone is trying to confuse and mislead you.
Roja and The Mad Tapper had become angry. They were at each others throats. Voices raised, shoves exchanged, minds on edge. And right at the peak of things...
"Guys, can we just...?"
*BLAM*
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No one quite saw what happened, but everyone saw the still scene that followed. Roja stood with a gun pointed at andelijah. The Mad Tapper was across the table from him, wide eyed. Andelijah's body was lying on the floor, a slowly spreading pool of blood encircling him. The hall was silent, but it felt like the gunshot was still ringing out, like it would never end.
"He just..." Roja muttered.
And then, all of a sudden...
It is not yet night, but the day has ended. Please do not post.
...andelijah coughs, then let's out a half-hearted chuckle. "Say hello to St. Peter for me," he whispers. "Or to whoever has his job... but in hell!"
"AAARRRAAGGGH!!"
It's The Mad Tapper who's making noise this time. He clutches his head and falls to the floor, CropCircles rushes over to the fallen hero, and checks him out. He begins to take his pulse, but half-way through blood begins to pour from The Mad Tapper's ears. "He's gone," says a stunned CropCircles.
The Mad Tapper AKA Stupendous Man (Townie) has been killed by mind bullets.
Attention turns back to andelijah, whose second wind has only lasted so long.
Andelijah AKA Young Nasty Man (Secret Vengeful Townie) has been lynched.
And so the sun sets...
It is now night 6. Night will end as soon as I get all choices in.
The weather has been getting consistently worse ever since Infinis passed away Thursday evening. It's one of those mornings where you can tell the sun is up, but you can't see it through the clouds. It feels like morning, but it also feels somehow... wrong. It can't be right that the sky is this gray this early in the day.
A flash of lightning illuminates Alfred as he stands in the doorway directly in front of the now-tiny council table. His face is solemn, grim. He looks old, older than he did just a week ago when this all began. There was life in these halls then. There was hope. Now it's been replaced with suspicion and desperation.
"It's the owl-man today," he says. He sounds empty, though for someone so similar to Bruce to fall must be particularly disheartening. You catch a glimpse of the body as paramedics carry it by the table. It's loran16, burned to a crisp. Just like the others.
Loran16 AKA Night Owl II (Town Neighbor) has been killed.
"Well heroes, there's just 4 of you now. Not many more chances. Make this one count."
That means there is only 1 scum remaining, or else the game would have been over by now.
I got roleblocked again last night, meaning that scum can presumably both kill and block in the same night.
Our scum is a roleblocker. If CC gave an item to Andelijah then he is what he claimed and can't be the roleblocker. That leaves Cubus/Roja. Cubus as scum would have had to throw out Some One early day 2 as a gambit. Unlikely. That leaves Roja.
That means there is only 1 scum remaining, or else the game would have been over by now.
I got roleblocked again last night, meaning that scum can presumably both kill and block in the same night.
Our scum is a roleblocker. If CC gave an item to Andelijah then he is what he claimed and can't be the roleblocker. That leaves Cubus/Roja. Cubus as scum would have had to throw out Some One early day 2 as a gambit. Unlikely. That leaves Roja.
In all of my games that I have played the Roleblocker either blocks or kills not both. Can you show me where this is an option in another game perhaps? I mean what better cover for you to say that you have been roleblocked this whole time when infact you have been killing people?
And yes it is obvious that there is only one like you said as the game would have been over.
CC's item didn't "work" the way I wanted it too. CC did you know that your extra life wouldn't work against a lynch? Or that there were limits to it?
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In all of my games that I have played the Roleblocker either blocks or kills not both. Can you show me where this is an option in another game perhaps? I mean what better cover for you to say that you have been roleblocked this whole time when infact you have been killing people?
I've played in games where people can both kill/use an ability in the same night. I'd say roughly 50% of the games I've played on mafiascum are set up this way. Considering Ged is on mafia scum, and the neighbor role used in this game originated there, I don't think this is out of the ordinary.
The only way I could possibly be scum is if:
1. I stopped using a roleblocker role after night 1, instead claiming to be blocked myself, and instead starting making a night kill instead, despite the scum still having living goons.
2. I threw away spot as a 3rd scum when he was under no pressure, on day 2, when the scum were already down 2 members.
3. If I was scum today, I could have simply claimed to track someone making the kill, get them lynched, and win.
I've played in games where people can both kill/use an ability in the same night. I'd say roughly 50% of the games I've played on mafiascum are set up this way. Considering Ged is on mafia scum, and the neighbor role used in this game originated there, I don't think this is out of the ordinary.
Is the website mafiascum.com? I would like to check this out for myself.
The only way I could possibly be scum is if:
1. I stopped using a roleblocker role after night 1, instead claiming to be blocked myself, and instead starting making a night kill instead, despite the scum still having living goons.
2. I threw away spot as a 3rd scum when he was under no pressure, on day 2, when the scum were already down 2 members.
3. If I was scum today, I could have simply claimed to track someone making the kill, get them lynched, and win.
In other words, there is no chance I am scum.
Number 1 isn't true. You very well could have hit targets that didn't get blocked as they didn't do anything. Esp in this game were a ton of people seem to be 1 shot abilites. To me the presence of a roleblocker wouldn't make that much sence, that is if they get lucky enough to foil that 1 shot. Which I might have to say to you, bravo.
As for number 2, wouldn't that be a mighty good gambit for you to have run? It's pure speculation however it would be a fantastic gambit for you. The scum kill was prevented and you end up looking like the hero. All things have chances and I can see this paying out for you.
As for your third statement had you come forward and said "so and so" is scum because you saw them kill someone, I would have questioned it. Mostly because the nights before last you claimed to have been roleblocked and there were still deaths, for you to "all of a sudden" have info on the last "scum".. Would YOU beleive such info from someone?
Your three reasons do not waver my thoughts on you Goat.
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b) The town's only info role is me (and DYH to some extent)
You are forgetting CC's Lie detector that is..
So GR gets a place in the 'town' list. Congratulations!
Because of his "role"?
Apparently, there is only one scum left, while I'd expected two.That's a good thing. It also means that the scum don't have both a roleblocker and a doctor, so that means that, barring bastard moddery (which I'm beginning to consider now, seeing as andelijah was a secret SS), there is no possible way that Roja's story could be true.
See im wondering if I was blocked from Goat.. I WAS stunned.. I never thought about HIM being the roleblocker until today with two deaths.
Now, I'm not happy about the way CC used his role, nor about his claim, but I don't think CC would gambit the way he did, and the flavor of ande's extra life fits with Edna mode.
CC, you've earned yourself a place in the town list. Congratulations!
I agree I dont think CC made this gambit either however did CC or Andel say how this second life worked?
I'm obviously in that list too, so that leaves Roja.
Roja, you've earned yourself a place in the PoE scum list. Uh-oh!
Vote Roja
PoE? What does that mean.
You are wrong, and I think you are being played by Goat. You are going to hand him this game.
Vote Goatrevolt
It is clear to me that you are the last remaining scum.
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Your vote on me is about as insincere sounding as one could be. You "think" Cubus is being played by me? If it's clear to you that I'm the last remaining scum, you certainly aren't too confident about it.
CC could only really be scum if someone else gave Andelijah an item, or if he has the possibility to both give items and roleblock in the same night. Neither or those seem at all likely. I'm somewhat skeptical of him doing nothing night 2, the same night that Roja claims to miss a kill on spot, however I got roleblocked that night, which means again, unless he can protect spot and roleblock me in the same night, he is clear.
If Cubus is scum I will be surprised. Hats off to his gambit.
Also, it's a guarantee that there is a roleblocker. RR claimed to be hit with this roleblock night 1. Since then it's been all me baby. So unless RR was straight up lying, the roleblocker exists. RR was town, would have no reason to lie.
Now, establishing that there is a roleblocker. Examine: Does my play make ANY sense if I am the roleblocker? I started out the day by asking Spot directly who he suspected. I did this to determine his position on Dagger to try to divine the nature of him targeting Dagger. I then tried to get Dagger to come out with his information regarding whether it was a town or scum ability that targeted him. That is consistent with me tracking Spotofprey target Dagger the previous night. When Dagger explained that a night kill on him was prevented, I claimed that I knew who made the night kill, and that it was spot. This is all consistent with a tracker who tracked spot. If i was the roleblocker, I would have had to come up with a lie in the middle of day 2, that screwed over my scum buddy, who was under no suspicion whatsoever, with a claimed cop and a serial killer still on the loose. Then, I would have had to squander my roleblock role the entire rest of the game in order to claim to be blocked myself. The possibility of all this being some elaborate gambit involving me throwing away scum under no suspicion and wasting a roleblocker role entirely to confirm myself and make me a prime SK target is nil.
Your vote on me is about as insincere sounding as one could be. You "think" Cubus is being played by me? If it's clear to you that I'm the last remaining scum, you certainly aren't too confident about it.
My thoughts are you are scum, thus I think he is being played.
CC could only really be scum if someone else gave Andelijah an item, or if he has the possibility to both give items and roleblock in the same night. Neither or those seem at all likely. I'm somewhat skeptical of him doing nothing night 2, the same night that Roja claims to miss a kill on spot, however I got roleblocked that night, which means again, unless he can protect spot and roleblock me in the same night, he is clear.
Im confused with you sir. You say that Me this roleblocker can roleblock AND kill on the same night. However when it comes to CC roleblocking AND passing an item it seems unlikely? Using both abilities or only one. Which is it?
If Cubus is scum I will be surprised. Hats off to his gambit.
Which gambit are you talking about here? And if you are SO sure about me why even make this comment?
Also, it's a guarantee that there is a roleblocker. RR claimed to be hit with this roleblock night 1. Since then it's been all me baby. So unless RR was straight up lying, the roleblocker exists. RR was town, would have no reason to lie.
There is no doubt that RR was roleblocked. YOU being roleblocked is what I am questioning.
Now, establishing that there is a roleblocker.
You. Ok.
Examine: Does my play make ANY sense if I am the roleblocker?
I started out the day by asking Spot directly who he suspected. I did this to determine his position on Dagger to try to divine the nature of him targeting Dagger. I then tried to get Dagger to come out with his information regarding whether it was a town or scum ability that targeted him. That is consistent with me tracking Spotofprey target Dagger the previous night. When Dagger explained that a night kill on him was prevented, I claimed that I knew who made the night kill, and that it was spot. This is all consistent with a tracker who tracked spot. If i was the roleblocker, I would have had to come up with a lie in the middle of day 2, that screwed over my scum buddy, who was under no suspicion whatsoever, with a claimed cop and a serial killer still on the loose. Then, I would have had to squander my roleblock role the entire rest of the game in order to claim to be blocked myself. The possibility of all this being some elaborate gambit involving me throwing away scum under no suspicion and wasting a roleblocker role entirely to confirm myself and make me a prime SK target is nil.
I don't think the "OMG good job doc!" comments are a huge tell. I always want to label it as scummy, but I've seen it point to town just as often as scum. Actually, most often it just points to newer players in general, regardless of alignment.
Here you are writing off Some one being scum by providing a newbie answer. The "OMG Good job doc" comments caught a scum AND the SK. (At least for me that is.)
My top two leads right now are Dagger and spot. I need to go back and provide evidence for this, but my recollection is that Dagger never committed to the Cyan wagon despite touting it as valid. I remember him always denoting willingness to lynch either Jql or Cyan, but I don't remember him actually ever joining the wagon. It seems to me he was using Jql as an excuse to avoid it.
So you are still accusing Dagger of being "scum" along with your other partner.. You know by this time that your night killed failed. Then later in that day you claim that you have info on him and two people targeted him.. And wow this info all came out AFTER Dagger said he was attempted to be killed AND DYH said Hey im glad I protected you. AND Ironicly after Someone was deemed scum.
SO Hurray you look very townie, you sold out your other scum partner to potentally win this game.
As for spot, I just remember his last post at the end of yesterday seemed really scummy in regards to the Cyan wagon. Cyan jumping on him for that post does not affect my opinion there at all. I can easily see it as Cyan distancing right before he goes down as well as making one last attempt to get a townie lynched instead. Don't trust the words of dying scum.
I see this as potental for you to fall back ONTO Spot if you have to. Remember you know that some one attempted the kill and was prevented.
In the same vein, we shouldn't trust anything that relies on information from Cyan regarding the nature of scum claims. Scum lie, especially when they are already caught and have nothing to lose by making blatant lies.
Regarding the newer players, who seem to comprise the entirety of current wagons, I strongly believe Infinis is town. Jql I'm leaning slightly town, and I'm having a very tough time reading Some One. Some of his posts strike me as pro-town and others as really scummy. I'm not interested in joining a wagon on him right now without a compelling case, at any rate.
Right about Infinis, Wrong about JQL, and your partner you are in the middle.. hmm.
So Goat, after that little re-read (Mostly day 2). Your "Towness" can easily be re-created by anyone who knew about the scum kill.
I really think you are the one that "blocked" me night 2 causing me to waste my shot and kill a "image". I think/know/sure of (whatever word you want to insert here) you are our last scum.
So does your play "make sence"? If you are scum hell yes.
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OH also for the fact I don't beleive that a Roleblocker cannot kill AND Roleblock at the same time. (He never did answer where I can find that this exist.)
None of us had any abilites to USE as the end. Goat killed us and still "claimed" to be roleblocked without none of us knowing or able to prove/disprove. And lets say if he did try to block us, none of us had any abilites to USE to be blocked.. Which I would assume we wouldn't be TOLD we were "roleblocked".
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Final Votecount
goatrevolt - 1 (Roja)
Roja - 3 (Cubus, goatrevolt, CropCircles)
The fate of Danger City, nay, perhaps the fate of the world rests in the decision of these final four heroes. And when asked who's behind it all, when asked to finger one of their own as the final villain, three fingers are pointed at Roja.
"Who, me?" he asks, poorly feigning surprise. "Good guess."
A business suit is flung away from Roja's body like rip-away clothing as he whips out his cape and costume. It's yellow and fronts a giant lightning bolt to match. Roja AKA Thunderclap (Mafia Roleblocker) smiles a wicked smile as he begins to float into the air, drawing darkness and clouds around him and cackling all the while. "Prepare to meet your maker, heroes!"
Everyone quickly springs into action. Cubus AKA Rorchach (Town One-Shot Role Cop) runs from across the room, jumping up on the table to gain the height he needs to make a leap towards the villain. Mid-jump, however, he's hit in the chest with a lightning bolt and falls to the ground. Roja grins. "Who's next?"
Goatrevolt AKA Darkwing Duck (Town Tracker) is. He reaches into his coat and pulls out some sort of gun that appears to be loaded with a plunger. "Eat this!" he calls at the electric man as he fires the rubber stopper into Roja's face.
It's a well placed shot - Roja can't see a thing. He begins flailing around uncontrollably while screaming obscinities at the top of his lungs.
CropCircles AKA Edna "E" Mode (Town Inventor) finishes the job. The woman famous in the world of heroes for helpful gagdets takes a rather surprising approach to the problem at hand: she jumps on Roja from stairs above him.
"AAAAAAAAHHG!!" she screams as she flips through the air.
"AAAAAAARRRGGH!!" the villain screams as two feet of fury clutch at his legs and pull him to the ground.
Roja is promptly restrained by the remaining heroes. And as the last knot of rope is tied, a light breaks through the clouds in the sky. It cuts through the windows of the great hall, warming the building with it's golden glow. The hero killers have finally been stopped; the heroes of Danger City can rest easy once again.
"And we would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for yormmm... mmmhmmm!!" says Roja as Cubus gags him, then dusts off his hands.
"Well done," laughs a proud Alfred. "Well done indeed."
The Town has won the game. Congratulations! Comments, notes, and roles to come in a couple hours.
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And while this victory comes with a well deserved break for the remaining heroes of Danger City, you know what they say: a hero's work is never done. New champions of justice must rise to replace those that have been lost, and there will always be some new evil mastermind tomorrow...
WHAAA? Okay, Explain CC, since you nearly gave me a heart attack.
I apologize for my useless ness late game btw...after infinis died i was really just going no where.
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1) I've never liked this argument. It's one thing to accuse someone of making opportunistic votes, but to say that voting the "low hanging fruit" (which often seems to mean the people doing really obviously scummy things) is scummy just isn't true. I've voted for those who said things that made me question their motives. It's just that simple.
2) For this I would point out that I work graveyard shift, and generally sleep during the day (there are occasionally exceptions on my days off when I sometimes don't sleep at the normal time). Most people post during the day, so it's very common for the good points to already have been made by the time I post. To specifically address CC's point about the soft-claim, the reason I didn't post my thoughts in my first posts after it was brought up is that I was still weighing my opinion on the matter. I will also point out my stance on Infinis thing was anything but barning/parroting (yes, I know CC thinks the Infinis thing is a point against me, but it was simply honest scum hunting).
3) As I pointed out when this was first questioned by loran, I found his approach to Cyan's wagon very suspicious, but it didn't seem consistent with him being Cyan's scumbuddy. Thus I offered the suggestion that he was neutral, as it would both explain his behavior and his motives.
Now a question for CC: Why have you completely abandoned determining the answer behind the "Why is Cubus still alive"? At the end of yesterday and beginning of today, this was a major concern for you. You were staunchly against the idea of a godfather explaining it, so what other explanation would you be considering that wouldn't warrant this matter being further pursued? Is there a possibility aside from the obvious two (those being a godfather present and Cubus being scum)?
At this point, these are possibilities I see:
GR (lone remaining scum, not likely, but not as immediate a problem)
ande+CC (possible if one of them is a godfather, but confirmable with an ande lynch)
Roja+Cubus (would explain much, though it would mean the town had no true cop)
loran+Cubus (the only way I could see loran as scum is in this pairing)
loran+anyone else doesn't reconcile with Cubus remaining alive unless either loran or the role-blocker is also a godfather, which seems unlikely. CC being scum with anyone other than andelijah seems unlikely, since scum don't generally hand out kill protection to townies.
Unless Cubus is willing to actually full claim like everyone else and can provide something worthwhile, I think we can seal up the endgame lynching him. If he flips scum, we lynch Roja and loran over the next two days. If he flips town, we lynch andelijah. If andelijah flips scum, we lynch CC. If he flips town, then GR pretty much has to be the last remaining scum.
unvote, vote Cubus
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
The Mad Tapper is apparently here, and goatrevolt's already been prodded. He mentioned some nasty real life issues during Night 4 or 5, and I'm guessing they've grown big on him. He hasn't posted on the site since the day of his last post in this thread.
Votecount 20 - The Final Countdown
andelijah - 2 (Cubus, Roja)
Cubus - 1 (The Mad Tapper)
Roja - 1 (andelijah)
The Mad Tapper - 1 (loran16)
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch. Deadline is set for Saturday, April 18th at approximately 1:00PM CST.
I would also like you to explain why you choose to make the move towards Cubus this late in the day.
It would be great to see Cubus claim before night, but I will only have my votes on Roja, The Mad Tapper, or myself today (preferences in that order, moving my vote to achieve a lynch if no lynch is imminent).
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Because, as CC originally pointed out, there's something amiss with a semi-claimed investigative role remaining completely unmolested for four straight nights.
Because it's taken me this long to narrow down what I consider to be the feasible scum combinations, and given the combinations I came up with lynching him makes the most sense.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
I explained why that makes sense.
A. Usually, the mechanics of the game work such that if a one shot ability is roleblocked, the shot is still used up.
B. From a flavor prespective, it makes no sense for an ability being blocked to result in the shot being used, unless the flavor includes the player using the abiity and missing.
Given A + B, it makes sense for Ged to write the flavor in a way were Roja is knocked into a "daze" that causes him to shoot at something that isn't actually his target, rather then having him just knocked unconsiouss like Infinis was.
In addition, spot's description was also flavorfully different from Infinis' as Infinis said himself, but there is not logical explanation for that.
This is interesting.
After my reread, I concluded that it is much more likely that TMT is the last scum, or that you are his buddy, so it fits just fine. But you don't seem particularly inclined to believe loran is scum, nor are you opposed to a TMT lynch, nor do you have any reason to try to read me given that you are the one vouching for my townieness.
So what was the purpose of asking this question?
Many of the nightkills can be explained by other motives, and realistically, a Cop is just as hurtful right now as a tracker. The scum have been down to two since they lost someone and spot, so one is killing and one is blocking. A watch on either of them is GG.
THis game is taking up way too much of my time right now. More later.
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Why is Cubus being alive a point against anyone except Cubus?
Not incredibly much so, at least in my opinion.
Thought provoking. Your plan had the following lynches:
Me>The Mad Tapper>loran
I'm saying that if The Mad Tapper is scum, loran is not the next logical lynch, Roja (or, in extreme scenarios, Cubus) is.
The other point was that... your plan had me dying first. I couldn't exactly make the point tomorrow.
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To clarify my own point: Cubus being both alive and unhindered seems out of place, and is most easily explained by either a) Cubus being scum or b) the presence of a godfather role. The reason I mentioned Cubus in reference to a loran+other scenario is that it would likely mean one of the two is a godfather, but would also mean one of them had two roles (neighbor+godfather or roleblocker+godfather). I don't really think that's particularly likely, so I think that the only way loran could be scum is if he's Cubus's partner.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
What would be the point of a godfather role with no real presence of a "Cop" role? I mean we really dont have a clue on Cubus on what he really is, (sure we could guess) I guess im annoyed with how he is above the rest of us when it comes to fully claim.
The second point I think against a godfather role is wasen't Cyan an Ascetic? Godfather AND an Ascetic? Arn't they most like each other in the role department?
With the votes spread out and 1 day left, on a deadline I ask: If CC did give Andel the extra life. Would the day be extended if this life were used during the day? (Meaning we wouldn't go to night?)
I think some of CC's points against TMT are good. I also think TMT's questioning of Cubus is also good. I really really really want to hear from Goat, and im sorry he's got RL issues.
Ok so I have to ask why you thought this information was so useful to keep to yourself and announce NOW 1 day to the deadline to reveal?
You mentioned you would keep it to yourself until you find something useful, what was it?
Any reason you left out CC in your boldness?
Sigh, i figured as much on your role.
As for this paragraph....no. TMT has to be scum, anyway i look at it at this point (unless there's one scum left). So, no, i'm not chaning my vote.
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I'm not positive on andelijah, and there's no reason why you won't budge and vote TMT, so, no i won't budge.
This aint gonna cause a no lynch either.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, GED, can we get a deadline extension till you at least find a replacement for goatrevolt? This is getting ridiculous.
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You wouldn't have blipped on my radar.
I don't understand why you claiming is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you above the rest of us? And you give it away as soon as someone votes for you? You see why I question you yea?
I don't use replacements.
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But given the setback that may cause for the town, the deadline is extended until Tuesday, April 21st at 12:00 noon CST. This is the last extension I'm going to give unless goatrevolt shows up less than 24 hours before the deadline and begs for time to catch up.
So what happens if GR doesn't show up? Modkill?
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Prossibly.
unvote, vote Roja
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Seriously, can we lynch Tapper now?
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No.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
In my reread, he stuck out the most, and I'm much more inclined to trust behaviour over set-up analysis or conspiracy theories.
And the fact that both our "Cop" and our "Doc" were one shot is a point in Roja's favor for being a one shot Vig.
I say TMT today, if the game continues, ande tomorrow.
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I disagree on this. If TMT is a Calvin-alter ego, (and that doesnt make him town), he mightve decided to roleplay like he did.
Also, if was scum teamed with another character who was an alter ego of their comic character (SpotofPrey) he could've gotten the idea of the falseclaim from SpotofPrey.
I'm pretty convinced CC isn't scum. So no.
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I'm not really seeing CC as scum right now. His reason for not targeting DYH makes plenty of sense. In fact, DYH was one of my possible track choices N1 for that exact reason. He buses a lot as scum, and he was really hard on Cyan from the beginning. However, me thinking CC town contradicts with my belief that Roja is town and shot Spot. How else did spot survive? Mafia doc perhaps? At any rate, I'm sticking to behavioral analysis here, and behavioral analysis points at Andelijah-scum/Roja-town.
Roja does not strike me as scum based on behavior, and that is a strong indicator to me. I'm generally not wrong about strong townie reads.
I think Andelijah is scum. TMT is my 2nd choice. After that, it gets hazy.
I'm fairly confident Cubus is town. Almost 100% sure. 1-shot Doc. 1-shot Cop. 1-Shot vig. I'm seeing a pattern here.
Loran is a possibility as scum, but I have not gotten any sort of a scum read from him all game. Not a lynch option today in my mind.
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I can't guarantee frequency of posting. I'm going to have to replace out of my other game. I want to stick in this game because, 1. no replacements, 2. I think I have a somewhat decent grasp of this game, despite my severe inactivity as of late, and 3. me getting modkilled as a PR would be such a huge blow to the town.
TMT, there is no way I'm scum. I would have had to throw away spot AFTER Cubus outed Some One. 0% likelihood.
Andelijah and TMT are my picks. Andelijah first.
I'm willing to extend that just a couple days longer if you (GR) would like that time to catch up on things.
Objections include:
1) goatrevolt asking for more time.
2) Someone who is voting me voting The Mad Tapper instead (in which case I will vote him).
3) The Mad Tapper lynching me to save me the trouble.
Stick to CropCircles' plan put forward earlier, I guess. At this point, its the most reasonable.
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I think CC's plan is good. I still believe the last scum are Andelijah/TMT, with side possibility of either CC or Loran.
Given the fact that everyone is voting, I'm going to assume an extension is not needed to get everyone's vote set. Deadline stands.
Votecount 21 - All In
andelijah - 3 (Cubus, Roja, goatrevolt)
Roja - 2 (andelijah, The Mad Tapper)
The Mad Tapper - 2 (loran16, CropCircles)
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
If Andelijah is scum, he won't follow through on his claim of self-lynch because there is no benefit for scum in that play. I'd suggest either Loran or CC (or TMT, but I think he's scum and don't trust him) hammer him before the deadline.
I am also willing to hammer TMT before deadline.
I'm banking on Roja-town here, but the fact that TMT and Andelijah are both voting for Roja is meaningful to me. TMT has practically ignored Andelijah for all purposes.
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Benefit? We are being told he is holding onto a "second life". To me what better a way to "sacrifice" yourself when trying to look good?
I dont think TMT has "practically ignored" Andelijah he has said some about him, and some of it is about how Andel is slightly scummy however an overall town vibe.
I still feel Andelijah is scum, and am warming the fact that TMT is as well. Seeing as my vote is on one of these two and would only make the vote reach L -1 I am keeping it on Andel.
Can't say I'm pleased with the case on me (ie: there wasn't really any given), but hopefully you won't screw up tomorrow.
Good luck.
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andelijah - 4 (Cubus, Roja, goatrevolt, andelijah)
Roja - 1 (The Mad Tapper)
The Mad Tapper - 2 (loran16, CropCircles)
Paranoia. It's a dangerous thing.
Mom always warned you not to play with knives, not to eat soup that's just come out of the microwave, and to be careful when you run lest someone trip and poke their eye out. The more important lessons are harder to teach - there's no short quip to teach a child everything it needs to know about whether the man in front of him is telling the truth or fingering a gun. You have to learn things like that the hard way.
Roja, for example, is about to learn that the hard way.
One minute the debate was just that: an organized discussion to determine which side of an argument was correct. The next, things had gotten out of hand. It's hard to keep a level head when people's lives are on the line, and even harder when you know someone is trying to confuse and mislead you.
Roja and The Mad Tapper had become angry. They were at each others throats. Voices raised, shoves exchanged, minds on edge. And right at the peak of things...
"Guys, can we just...?"
*BLAM*
...
No one quite saw what happened, but everyone saw the still scene that followed. Roja stood with a gun pointed at andelijah. The Mad Tapper was across the table from him, wide eyed. Andelijah's body was lying on the floor, a slowly spreading pool of blood encircling him. The hall was silent, but it felt like the gunshot was still ringing out, like it would never end.
"He just..." Roja muttered.
And then, all of a sudden...
It is not yet night, but the day has ended. Please do not post.
"AAARRRAAGGGH!!"
It's The Mad Tapper who's making noise this time. He clutches his head and falls to the floor, CropCircles rushes over to the fallen hero, and checks him out. He begins to take his pulse, but half-way through blood begins to pour from The Mad Tapper's ears. "He's gone," says a stunned CropCircles.
The Mad Tapper AKA Stupendous Man (Townie) has been killed by mind bullets.
Attention turns back to andelijah, whose second wind has only lasted so long.
Andelijah AKA Young Nasty Man (Secret Vengeful Townie) has been lynched.
And so the sun sets...
It is now night 6. Night will end as soon as I get all choices in.
You awake to the sound of thunder.
The weather has been getting consistently worse ever since Infinis passed away Thursday evening. It's one of those mornings where you can tell the sun is up, but you can't see it through the clouds. It feels like morning, but it also feels somehow... wrong. It can't be right that the sky is this gray this early in the day.
A flash of lightning illuminates Alfred as he stands in the doorway directly in front of the now-tiny council table. His face is solemn, grim. He looks old, older than he did just a week ago when this all began. There was life in these halls then. There was hope. Now it's been replaced with suspicion and desperation.
"It's the owl-man today," he says. He sounds empty, though for someone so similar to Bruce to fall must be particularly disheartening. You catch a glimpse of the body as paramedics carry it by the table. It's loran16, burned to a crisp. Just like the others.
Loran16 AKA Night Owl II (Town Neighbor) has been killed.
"Well heroes, there's just 4 of you now. Not many more chances. Make this one count."
It is now Day 7. With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
I got roleblocked again last night, meaning that scum can presumably both kill and block in the same night.
Our scum is a roleblocker. If CC gave an item to Andelijah then he is what he claimed and can't be the roleblocker. That leaves Cubus/Roja. Cubus as scum would have had to throw out Some One early day 2 as a gambit. Unlikely. That leaves Roja.
In all of my games that I have played the Roleblocker either blocks or kills not both. Can you show me where this is an option in another game perhaps? I mean what better cover for you to say that you have been roleblocked this whole time when infact you have been killing people?
And yes it is obvious that there is only one like you said as the game would have been over.
CC's item didn't "work" the way I wanted it too. CC did you know that your extra life wouldn't work against a lynch? Or that there were limits to it?
I've played in games where people can both kill/use an ability in the same night. I'd say roughly 50% of the games I've played on mafiascum are set up this way. Considering Ged is on mafia scum, and the neighbor role used in this game originated there, I don't think this is out of the ordinary.
The only way I could possibly be scum is if:
1. I stopped using a roleblocker role after night 1, instead claiming to be blocked myself, and instead starting making a night kill instead, despite the scum still having living goons.
2. I threw away spot as a 3rd scum when he was under no pressure, on day 2, when the scum were already down 2 members.
3. If I was scum today, I could have simply claimed to track someone making the kill, get them lynched, and win.
In other words, there is no chance I am scum.
Is the website mafiascum.com? I would like to check this out for myself.
Number 1 isn't true. You very well could have hit targets that didn't get blocked as they didn't do anything. Esp in this game were a ton of people seem to be 1 shot abilites. To me the presence of a roleblocker wouldn't make that much sence, that is if they get lucky enough to foil that 1 shot. Which I might have to say to you, bravo.
As for number 2, wouldn't that be a mighty good gambit for you to have run? It's pure speculation however it would be a fantastic gambit for you. The scum kill was prevented and you end up looking like the hero. All things have chances and I can see this paying out for you.
As for your third statement had you come forward and said "so and so" is scum because you saw them kill someone, I would have questioned it. Mostly because the nights before last you claimed to have been roleblocked and there were still deaths, for you to "all of a sudden" have info on the last "scum".. Would YOU beleive such info from someone?
Your three reasons do not waver my thoughts on you Goat.
/Agree they have a roleblocker
You are forgetting CC's Lie detector that is..
Because of his "role"?
See im wondering if I was blocked from Goat.. I WAS stunned.. I never thought about HIM being the roleblocker until today with two deaths.
I agree I dont think CC made this gambit either however did CC or Andel say how this second life worked?
PoE? What does that mean.
You are wrong, and I think you are being played by Goat. You are going to hand him this game.
Vote Goatrevolt
It is clear to me that you are the last remaining scum.
goatrevolt - 1 (Roja)
Roja - 1 (Cubus)
With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
Deadline set for Wednesday April 29th, at 3:00PM CST.
Your vote on me is about as insincere sounding as one could be. You "think" Cubus is being played by me? If it's clear to you that I'm the last remaining scum, you certainly aren't too confident about it.
CC could only really be scum if someone else gave Andelijah an item, or if he has the possibility to both give items and roleblock in the same night. Neither or those seem at all likely. I'm somewhat skeptical of him doing nothing night 2, the same night that Roja claims to miss a kill on spot, however I got roleblocked that night, which means again, unless he can protect spot and roleblock me in the same night, he is clear.
If Cubus is scum I will be surprised. Hats off to his gambit.
Now, establishing that there is a roleblocker. Examine: Does my play make ANY sense if I am the roleblocker? I started out the day by asking Spot directly who he suspected. I did this to determine his position on Dagger to try to divine the nature of him targeting Dagger. I then tried to get Dagger to come out with his information regarding whether it was a town or scum ability that targeted him. That is consistent with me tracking Spotofprey target Dagger the previous night. When Dagger explained that a night kill on him was prevented, I claimed that I knew who made the night kill, and that it was spot. This is all consistent with a tracker who tracked spot. If i was the roleblocker, I would have had to come up with a lie in the middle of day 2, that screwed over my scum buddy, who was under no suspicion whatsoever, with a claimed cop and a serial killer still on the loose. Then, I would have had to squander my roleblock role the entire rest of the game in order to claim to be blocked myself. The possibility of all this being some elaborate gambit involving me throwing away scum under no suspicion and wasting a roleblocker role entirely to confirm myself and make me a prime SK target is nil.
Roja is scum.
My thoughts are you are scum, thus I think he is being played.
Im confused with you sir. You say that Me this roleblocker can roleblock AND kill on the same night. However when it comes to CC roleblocking AND passing an item it seems unlikely? Using both abilities or only one. Which is it?
Which gambit are you talking about here? And if you are SO sure about me why even make this comment?
There is no doubt that RR was roleblocked. YOU being roleblocked is what I am questioning.
You. Ok.
Lets look over your first post of day 2.
Here you are writing off Some one being scum by providing a newbie answer. The "OMG Good job doc" comments caught a scum AND the SK. (At least for me that is.)
So you are still accusing Dagger of being "scum" along with your other partner.. You know by this time that your night killed failed. Then later in that day you claim that you have info on him and two people targeted him.. And wow this info all came out AFTER Dagger said he was attempted to be killed AND DYH said Hey im glad I protected you. AND Ironicly after Someone was deemed scum.
SO Hurray you look very townie, you sold out your other scum partner to potentally win this game.
I see this as potental for you to fall back ONTO Spot if you have to. Remember you know that some one attempted the kill and was prevented.
Right about Infinis, Wrong about JQL, and your partner you are in the middle.. hmm.
So Goat, after that little re-read (Mostly day 2). Your "Towness" can easily be re-created by anyone who knew about the scum kill.
I really think you are the one that "blocked" me night 2 causing me to waste my shot and kill a "image". I think/know/sure of (whatever word you want to insert here) you are our last scum.
So does your play "make sence"? If you are scum hell yes.
None of us had any abilites to USE as the end. Goat killed us and still "claimed" to be roleblocked without none of us knowing or able to prove/disprove. And lets say if he did try to block us, none of us had any abilites to USE to be blocked.. Which I would assume we wouldn't be TOLD we were "roleblocked".
Vote Roja
@Cyan: I told you ande would buy it.
[The Family]
Good game guys. ><
goatrevolt - 1 (Roja)
Roja - 3 (Cubus, goatrevolt, CropCircles)
The fate of Danger City, nay, perhaps the fate of the world rests in the decision of these final four heroes. And when asked who's behind it all, when asked to finger one of their own as the final villain, three fingers are pointed at Roja.
"Who, me?" he asks, poorly feigning surprise. "Good guess."
A business suit is flung away from Roja's body like rip-away clothing as he whips out his cape and costume. It's yellow and fronts a giant lightning bolt to match. Roja AKA Thunderclap (Mafia Roleblocker) smiles a wicked smile as he begins to float into the air, drawing darkness and clouds around him and cackling all the while. "Prepare to meet your maker, heroes!"
Everyone quickly springs into action. Cubus AKA Rorchach (Town One-Shot Role Cop) runs from across the room, jumping up on the table to gain the height he needs to make a leap towards the villain. Mid-jump, however, he's hit in the chest with a lightning bolt and falls to the ground. Roja grins. "Who's next?"
Goatrevolt AKA Darkwing Duck (Town Tracker) is. He reaches into his coat and pulls out some sort of gun that appears to be loaded with a plunger. "Eat this!" he calls at the electric man as he fires the rubber stopper into Roja's face.
It's a well placed shot - Roja can't see a thing. He begins flailing around uncontrollably while screaming obscinities at the top of his lungs.
CropCircles AKA Edna "E" Mode (Town Inventor) finishes the job. The woman famous in the world of heroes for helpful gagdets takes a rather surprising approach to the problem at hand: she jumps on Roja from stairs above him.
"AAAAAAAAHHG!!" she screams as she flips through the air.
"AAAAAAARRRGGH!!" the villain screams as two feet of fury clutch at his legs and pull him to the ground.
Roja is promptly restrained by the remaining heroes. And as the last knot of rope is tied, a light breaks through the clouds in the sky. It cuts through the windows of the great hall, warming the building with it's golden glow. The hero killers have finally been stopped; the heroes of Danger City can rest easy once again.
"And we would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for yormmm... mmmhmmm!!" says Roja as Cubus gags him, then dusts off his hands.
"Well done," laughs a proud Alfred. "Well done indeed."
The Town has won the game. Congratulations! Comments, notes, and roles to come in a couple hours.
***
And while this victory comes with a well deserved break for the remaining heroes of Danger City, you know what they say: a hero's work is never done. New champions of justice must rise to replace those that have been lost, and there will always be some new evil mastermind tomorrow...
WHAAA? Okay, Explain CC, since you nearly gave me a heart attack.
I apologize for my useless ness late game btw...after infinis died i was really just going no where.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity