...Why did you advocate blocking him if this is true? How is this not the expected claim the next day?
I advocated blocking him because....i thought he was scum at the time. Yeah, spot's "I was blocked" bit was the expected bit afterwards, but the claims is just sooo off, that for a second there i thought he mightve been town caught due to an unknown role-mechanic.
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Basically attacked by someone, bludgeoned in the head, woke up in my bed and it was morning. So I think it was a roleblock rather than something from my role.
I am interested in Jqlgirl because:
1. Her repeated need to be prodded to answer questions directed at her - she seemed unwilling to engage or even clarify the "misunderstanding" against her.
If anyone still has any doubts about SO, his last post makes it clear that he's already given up.
She ignored Ced's #768, again, despite being prodded by by Ced, again.
2. Her change of stance with regards to wagonning - Her opinion with regards to wagons on the beginning of Day 1 doesn't correspond with two things: her vote on Numegil (she said she'll only vote on a valid case) and the lack of vote on Cyan (when there was a case where a person's behavior doesn't correspond with his actions) - she claimed it was because she changed her mind opinion, which I think is a weak excuse.
Well the best we could hope for on day 1 would be some sort of contested claim, but barring that, just some sort of glaring contradiction in someone's arguments or between their arguments and their behaviour.
Her rationale on something she would actually vote for, doesn't correspond to this:
All right, I'm back. Not much happened in a day.
I'm sorry to see that Numegil still hasn't posted anything since his "I don't do day 1" post.
I am going to Vote Numegil in order to try to make him speak up.
Lurking is bad, mmkay?
Upon further reflection, I still don't think I should vote for Cyan, no matter how asynchronous his actions and claims seem to be. I've run across enough weird set ups in my short time playing Mafia to know that a seeming strange role isn't always a false claim, and a player's behaviour can vary from game to game depending on what else is going on in their lives. I'm still a bit suspicious of Cyan's claim, but I won't be voting for him given the current evidence available.
3. Her lack of effort to scumhunt or participate in discussion - When she did post, it was either to clarify where were the questions directed at her (something she could easily search by herself), to answer said questions after repeated prodding, or to make some inane remarks on the game - When she didn't post, she didn't post, period, and then acted blur when she did come back.
I definitely think we should hear from Spotofprey. Other than that, I don't really have too much to say. Currently, I'm a bit suspicious of.. well.. everyone. *looks around shiftily*
Her possible saving grace:
1. Her repeated insistence that she's prone to changing her opinions despite all pressure on her - which I still think is weak.
2. The fact that SO continued to pursue her on Day 2 - which I don't think is much of a saving grace in her case, judging from the way SO made a natural progression of rationales in his post, from my reread of him.
Conclusion:
I think she is scum. And I'm not really interested in her responses, because I expect her to just disappear and when things have cooled down a bit, come back and say that she didn't see anything asked of her, so pretty please ask the questions again (add something about seeing them as comments and not questions). I am far more interested in hearing other people's responses on this, which I think people have been avoiding.
We lost two town, not good. But hey, at least this isn't a total debacle for the town like Batman mafia was.
I definitely think we should hear from Spotofprey. Other than that, I don't really have too much to say. Currently, I'm a bit suspicious of.. well.. everyone. *looks around shiftily*
On a side note, does anyone else think it's weird that the two who were killed come from the same movie? Could that possibly have any bearing on their deaths?
Vote JqlGirl
Any reason we didn't lynch her earlier that I'm forgetting?
Any reason we didn't lynch her earlier that I'm forgetting?
Someone was worse, spotofprey is still alive?
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On loran: I did a browse-through on my arguments with him on SO and I would say based on it, loran is town, after SO turning up scum. His suspicion was genuine, from what I could gather from his posts and his arguments with SO. I originally thought his suspicion on SO was something tacked on, as a result of a few people expressing interests in SO. -> Town
on CC: End of Day 1, I would say CC is glaringly obviously town. End of Day 2, I was less certain of it. He seemed to be pushing for SO's wagon, but then quietly back down when things got a bit heated on the SO's topic. I would still lean on CC as town however (unless his alignment shifted halfway in between Day 1 and 2), because really, his actions on Day 1 is glaringly obviously town. -> Town
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On loran: I did a browse-through on my arguments with him on SO and I would say based on it, loran is town, after SO turning up scum. His suspicion was genuine, from what I could gather from his posts and his arguments with SO. I originally thought his suspicion on SO was something tacked on, as a result of a few people expressing interests in SO. -> Town
on CC: End of Day 1, I would say CC is glaringly obviously town. End of Day 2, I was less certain of it. He seemed to be pushing for SO's wagon, but then quietly back down when things got a bit heated on the SO's topic. I would still lean on CC as town however (unless his alignment shifted halfway in between Day 1 and 2), because really, his actions on Day 1 is glaringly obviously town. -> Town
on Infinis: I think he's town based on his reactions and posts in Day 2, since there's nothing to speak of in Day 1. Unless of course he lapse back into lurking-mode after not needing to defend his image anymore, I am leaning town on him -> Town, for now
I don't have anything night-action related to report. We need to hear from SoP. SK possibility is back on the table, which opens up Dagger's alignment from "cleared" to a tad below that. Once we see what SoP flips, we can eliminate either SK or Mafia for him.
Same with Infinis and RR, really, since they were roleblocked yesterday.
Spot claiming to have targeted Goat and was Rbed.. Yet with two deaths last night how could this be?
Also @ Spot why the vote on Goat? I don't understand your thinking here.
As for Jqlgirl, I thought she has been fishy in the past. Her and SO's "OMG ty for the Doctor" it what is really striking it for me. (Also for the fact that her and Cyan masterfully beat us in prehistoric and how she really didn't feel voting for him this game is also weighing heavy on my mind as well.)
Also Dagger, just because people are claiming to be roleblocked dosen't mean they are town.. It is exactly what Jqlgirl and Cyan tried to pull in Prehistoric.
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Spot claiming to have targeted Goat and was Rbed.. Yet with two deaths last night how could this be?
Meaning? I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. You're saying the 2nd kill was from Spot, and that he was lying about being RBed? Or you know for certainty that you're the 3rd party, and you didn't perform any kill last night? Or that you believed his vig claim and knew that the 2nd kill wasn't from the SK?
As for Jqlgirl, I thought she has been fishy in the past. Her and SO's "OMG ty for the Doctor" it what is really striking it for me. (Also for the fact that her and Cyan masterfully beat us in prehistoric and how she really didn't feel voting for him this game is also weighing heavy on my mind as well.)
I don't really understand why you're quoting Prehistoric here? The OMG doc thing is really a non-tell. And because Jql didn't vote for Cyan in this game, you suddenly can relate it to Prehistoric with such certainty that they are scums on the same team? How about the others not voting Cyan then? They didn't register because they weren't scums with Cyan in Prehistoric?
Also Dagger, just because people are claiming to be roleblocked dosen't mean they are town.. It is exactly what Jqlgirl and Cyan tried to pull in Prehistoric.
You'll have to quote for me where did I say with such definitive tone that I believed those roleblocked are absolutely town, because I can clearly remember instances when I said otherwise.
Spot claiming to have targeted Goat and was Rbed.. Yet with two deaths last night how could this be?
From the sounds of it, he was shoveled - ~Tilde~'s last act. The way I see it, if he's mafia, they almost certainly picked someone else for the kill last night, since spot was exposed. This does pretty much mean that he isn't the SK, but I can still live with a lynch on him.
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From the sounds of it, he was shoveled - ~Tilde~'s last act. The way I see it, if he's mafia, they almost certainly picked someone else for the kill last night, since spot was exposed. This does pretty much mean that he isn't the SK, but I can still live with a lynch on him.
Yep; SoP pretty much has to be mafia, barring some super-SK role. I'm going out on a limb here with ~ and assuming he actually did as we asked.
Roja's last post is quite bad; it strikes me as one of those "ask vague questions about today's topics" posts that scum like to do to blend in. Problem is - most of it's wrong as Dagger pointed out.
Meaning? I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. You're saying the 2nd kill was from Spot, and that he was lying about being RBed? Or you know for certainty that you're the 3rd party, and you didn't perform any kill last night? Or that you believed his vig claim and knew that the 2nd kill wasn't from the SK?
I'm saying I don't believe that A. he was roleblocked last night. B. Isn't a Vig and C. Goat wasen't wrong. His Statement makes 0 sence. If he DID try to shoot Goat, that would have to mean 2 other shooters. Which would mean 3 shooters, which is what I don't beleive.
Did you follow his defense when forced to claim yesterday?
I really wanted to know what he had to say.. I am aware that he is claiming Goat is lying about tracking him. His statement sounded as if Goat was the reason he didn't fire last night, and I wanted him to clerify.
I don't really understand why you're quoting Prehistoric here? The OMG doc thing is really a non-tell. And because Jql didn't vote for Cyan in this game, you suddenly can relate it to Prehistoric with such certainty that they are scums on the same team? How about the others not voting Cyan then? They didn't register because they weren't scums with Cyan in Prehistoric?
The OMG doc tell nabbed Someone. (At least it was then when I really started looking onto Someone more.) And with Cyan/Jqlgirl I am only relating the two as I don't want to be suckered by them yet again. Giving Jqlgirl wiggle room was what made us lose in Prehistoric. As for others not voting for Cyan I am not familir with his partners in games when he is scum. My comment was about experiance with those two.
You'll have to quote for me where did I say with such definitive tone that I believed those roleblocked are absolutely town, because I can clearly remember instances when I said otherwise.
I took your comment here:
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Same with Infinis and RR, really, since they were roleblocked yesterday
I assumed that you were clearing the roleblocked.
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No, the OMG doc comment did not catch Some One, Cubus' investigation did.
Dagger's statement about Infinis and RR is in response to my moving him from the "cleared" pile to a lesser state with the presence of two killers. It's him pointing out neither of them is "clear", either.
No, the OMG doc comment did not catch Some One, Cubus' investigation did.
Right but his comment is what started ME looking at him more. It wasen't the super OMG so clear cut reason, but it was the start.
Dagger's statement about Infinis and RR is in response to my moving him from the "cleared" pile to a lesser state with the presence of two killers. It's him pointing out neither of them is "clear", either.
I see.
I read what you said (which Dagger quoted) wrong. I thought you were moving Dagger into the "cleared" not from.
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@Infinis: is the flavor he received consistent with yours?
No. Something happened. It doesn't state attack or anything, just that I answered a knock at my door and then nothing. I woke up on the floor feeling the effects of whatever happened, no hints as to what had happened except it was unpleasant.
It could've been an attack with a successful protect, roleblock, or some other x factor.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
No. Something happened. It doesn't state attack or anything, just that I answered a knock at my door and then nothing. I woke up on the floor feeling the effects of whatever happened, no hints as to what had happened except it was unpleasant.
It could've been an attack with a successful protect, roleblock, or some other x factor.
EBWOP: But I see no reason why ~ would've lied about the roleblock on me.
Huh. Wasn't expecting that.
Option 1: Ged is mixing up flavour descriptions so that we can't rely on them as much.
Option 2: spot is lying about being roleblocked and just made up flavour. Reason for that would be if the scum blocked ~Tilde~ but didn't want that made clear.
Meh. Option 1 is something to keep in mind, but doesn't reflect well or badly on spotofprey. Option 2 would reflect badly but is based on the assumption that he is already scum, so not reliable. This is probably not a discussion that will help us out very much.
No. Something happened. It doesn't state attack or anything, just that I answered a knock at my door and then nothing. I woke up on the floor feeling the effects of whatever happened, no hints as to what had happened except it was unpleasant.
It could've been an attack with a successful protect, roleblock, or some other x factor.
This is what I received as well. Knock at door, something hits me in head, wake up with headache.
Option 1: Ged is mixing up flavour descriptions so that we can't rely on them as much.
Option 2: spot is lying about being roleblocked and just made up flavour. Reason for that would be if the scum blocked ~Tilde~ but didn't want that made clear.
Meh. Option 1 is something to keep in mind, but doesn't reflect well or badly on spotofprey. Option 2 would reflect badly but is based on the assumption that he is already scum, so not reliable. This is probably not a discussion that will help us out very much.
Agreed. I think Infinis is being a little too literal with his comparison.
No. Something happened. It doesn't state attack or anything, just that I answered a knock at my door and then nothing. I woke up on the floor feeling the effects of whatever happened, no hints as to what had happened except it was unpleasant.
This is what I received as well. Knock at door, something hits me in head, wake up with headache.
This is a mild contradiction, but whatever. I was mostly just wondering how Infinis interpreted the flavor you received as a protection, and it indeed is ambiguous.
I'm also surprised that there wasn't a "You have been roleblocked" or anything at the end, but since I haven't seen Ged mod before, I don't really have much basis for my expectations.
I'm also surprised that there wasn't a "You have been roleblocked" or anything at the end, but since I haven't seen Ged mod before, I don't really have much basis for my expectations.
That's why I'm only 95% sure or so...5% chance there was some interaction with my role that isn't apparent to me.
That's why I'm only 95% sure or so...5% chance there was some interaction with my role that isn't apparent to me.
Well, considering you got similar flavor to Infinis (who Tilde claimed to have roleblocked) and that everyone asked that Tilde roleblock you last night, I would put that at 100%.
I'm also surprised that there wasn't a "You have been roleblocked" or anything at the end, but since I haven't seen Ged mod before, I don't really have much basis for my expectations.
See, when I was blocked on Night 1, the flavour of what had happened to me was somewhat ambiguous, and I was not told in so many words that I had been blocked... but I was told specifically that the action that I had submitted (I am not vanilla) had not gone through.
We have a contradiction between goatrevolt and spotofprey. We have spot acting scummy yesterday after the accusation. We have the fact that spot being the mafia member who tried to do the kill on N1 would explain the lack of bodies. Now we have this, and I can make this make sense if I assume that spot is a mafia member who did not take an action last night, or if ~ was himself blocked.
vote: spotofprey. I think you should be our lynch today.
We have a contradiction between goatrevolt and spotofprey. We have spot acting scummy yesterday after the accusation. We have the fact that spot being the mafia member who tried to do the kill on N1 would explain the lack of bodies. Now we have this, and I can make this make sense if I assume that spot is a mafia member who did not take an action last night, or if ~ was himself blocked.
vote: spotofprey. I think you should be our lynch today.
We also have someone gaming the mod, and using some TERRIBLE reasoning. Infinis was also blocked night 1. Was he the mafia killer? You were also blocked night 1. Did YOU submit the kill? I was leaving my room to vig Goatrevolt, and this happened when I opened my door.
This is twice now in as many posts that you have been trying to game mod. You tried to explain what Ged may or may not be doing, and putting faith in it. Now you are telling me what my PM should or should not have said. Would you like to bring some actual evidence, or will you keep sitting back on your scummy standbys? FOS RobRoy - when you guys actually realize that I'm telling the truth, I think RR should be looked at after Goat and his lies.
We also have someone gaming the mod, and using some TERRIBLE reasoning. Infinis was also blocked night 1. Was he the mafia killer? You were also blocked night 1. Did YOU submit the kill? I was leaving my room to vig Goatrevolt, and this happened when I opened my door.
This is twice now in as many posts that you have been trying to game mod. You tried to explain what Ged may or may not be doing, and putting faith in it. Now you are telling me what my PM should or should not have said. Would you like to bring some actual evidence, or will you keep sitting back on your scummy standbys? FOS RobRoy - when you guys actually realize that I'm telling the truth, I think RR should be looked at after Goat and his lies.
You are pretty much guaranteed to be todays lynch. There is really no reason for RobRoy, if he were scum, to game the mod to make this more likely to happen.
Nothing changes here. He's still scum. He probably did get roleblocked as well, because Tilde was told to roleblock him. That really doesn't affect his alignment in any way.
Cubus is correct regarding neighbors. I'd assume that's what ced was.
I'll check out the case on Jqlgirl later. As for now...lynch spot.
You are pretty much guaranteed to be todays lynch. There is really no reason for RobRoy, if he were scum, to game the mod to make this more likely to happen.
If I have to die, that's fine. But this stuff needs to be discussed, not just discarded because you got another vote on your wagon.
I wonder when Goat will be back to spread more lies :/
Nothing changes here. He's still scum. He probably did get roleblocked as well, because Tilde was told to roleblock him. That really doesn't affect his alignment in any way.
Cubus is correct regarding neighbors. I'd assume that's what ced was.
I'll check out the case on Jqlgirl later. As for now...lynch spot.
The only thing that changes is that when pressured to produce more proof you aren't lying, you can't. You are just hoping to finish the job before anyone realizes what you are doing.
@SoP: Andelijah just explained why there's no reason for RR to speculate out loud like that if he's scum. Not to mention his stance on Cyan day 1 makes him look pretty good, along with being most likely targeted by a scum RB. You're not doing yourself any favors attacking one of the more likely to be townie players in the game.
Spot is definitely today's lynch; good that GR is claiming to have been blocked, too. This is a one or the other situation without a doubt; someone is lying.
We also have someone gaming the mod, and using some TERRIBLE reasoning. Infinis was also blocked night 1. Was he the mafia killer? You were also blocked night 1. Did YOU submit the kill? I was leaving my room to vig Goatrevolt, and this happened when I opened my door.
This is twice now in as many posts that you have been trying to game mod. You tried to explain what Ged may or may not be doing, and putting faith in it. Now you are telling me what my PM should or should not have said. Would you like to bring some actual evidence, or will you keep sitting back on your scummy standbys? FOS RobRoy - when you guys actually realize that I'm telling the truth, I think RR should be looked at after Goat and his lies.
Gaming the mod is only a minor part of my reasoning. goatrevolt claims that you targeted Dagger on N1 - a night on which nobody died, and when DYH claims to have protected Dagger. You claim that you didn't target anyone. This means that, barring Ged giving false information to goatrevolt, one of the two of you are lying. goatrevolt has given assurances that he is not misinterpreting the info from Ged, and him coming out like that isn't a mafia action - they're already down two members, and wouldn't want to take a 1-for-1 on a random person. Most likely explanation is that you are lying, then. The rest of what I mentioned is icing on the cake.
Can you clarify without providing too much in detail - does this match the description I gave before of the block on me N1 (zapped with electricity)? If yes, I'd appreciate you saying so.
@SoP: Andelijah just explained why there's no reason for RR to speculate out loud like that if he's scum. Not to mention his stance on Cyan day 1 makes him look pretty good, along with being most likely targeted by a scum RB. You're not doing yourself any favors attacking one of the more likely to be townie players in the game.
Much as I hate to draw fire on myself, you still have no proof that I'm not a SK, especially after the N1 block. Any argument that I have scumbuddies in this game, though, is most likely to be hilariously off-base.
My internet is down at the moment. It's supposed to be back up sometime in the next negative 3-4 hours, but let it be known that it may be a while before a votecount comes through.
If I have to die, that's fine. But this stuff needs to be discussed, not just discarded because you got another vote on your wagon.
Voting and FoSing today is kind of useless. If you want, you should make a scum list to be looked at in the unlikely circumstance you come up town. Discussing anything you say before that happens is useless, and if it doesn't happen, we save ourselves a significant amount of time.
I'll give you a couple days to put together some parting words, and then I'm going to vote.
Spot is definitely today's lynch; good that GR is claiming to have been blocked, too. This is a one or the other situation without a doubt; someone is lying.
I agree that Spot should be the lynch for today. (Consider this my vote for Spot.)
Before the day ends I want to know who targeted me last night.
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I'm saying I don't believe that A. he was roleblocked last night. B. Isn't a Vig and C. Goat wasen't wrong. His Statement makes 0 sence. If he DID try to shoot Goat, that would have to mean 2 other shooters. Which would mean 3 shooters, which is what I don't beleive.
There should be 3 possible sources of NKs: Town, Mafia, SK. You don't believe there could be 3 kills per night?
The OMG doc tell nabbed Someone. (At least it was then when I really started looking onto Someone more.) And with Cyan/Jqlgirl I am only relating the two as I don't want to be suckered by them yet again. Giving Jqlgirl wiggle room was what made us lose in Prehistoric. As for others not voting for Cyan I am not familir with his partners in games when he is scum. My comment was about experiance with those two.
This would mean you are certain Cyan and Jql are on the same team?
I have done the reread on AH, and have a much more favorable read on him this time around. I supposed my first read on him must have been tainted somewhat when he went after me with that WIFOM thingy.
There should be 3 possible sources of NKs: Town, Mafia, SK. You don't believe there could be 3 kills per night?
Yes I can beleive that there could be 3 kills per night. Explaining how there was 0 deaths and 2 deaths in back to back nights takes a lot of "what if's" but yes there COULD be 3 kills per night.
This would mean you are certain Cyan and Jql are on the same team?
Currently, yes I think this way.
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RR, same flavor. I was electrocuted into unconsciousness. That would be the scum roleblock, meaning RR was blocked by scum night 1, meaning he is at worst SK, most likely town. The other alternative is that he is the scum roleblocker, but I find that highly unlikely.
The only way spot could possibly be town is if he targeted Dagger night 1, and simply decided to lie about it as town. In other words, it's a nonexistent possibility.
I advocated blocking him because....i thought he was scum at the time. Yeah, spot's "I was blocked" bit was the expected bit afterwards, but the claims is just sooo off, that for a second there i thought he mightve been town caught due to an unknown role-mechanic.
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Basically attacked by someone, bludgeoned in the head, woke up in my bed and it was morning. So I think it was a roleblock rather than something from my role.
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1. Her repeated need to be prodded to answer questions directed at her - she seemed unwilling to engage or even clarify the "misunderstanding" against her.
She ignored Ced's #768, again, despite being prodded by by Ced, again.
2. Her change of stance with regards to wagonning - Her opinion with regards to wagons on the beginning of Day 1 doesn't correspond with two things: her vote on Numegil (she said she'll only vote on a valid case) and the lack of vote on Cyan (when there was a case where a person's behavior doesn't correspond with his actions) - she claimed it was because she changed her mind opinion, which I think is a weak excuse.
Her rationale on something she would actually vote for, doesn't correspond to this:
And doesn't correspond to this:
3. Her lack of effort to scumhunt or participate in discussion - When she did post, it was either to clarify where were the questions directed at her (something she could easily search by herself), to answer said questions after repeated prodding, or to make some inane remarks on the game - When she didn't post, she didn't post, period, and then acted blur when she did come back.
It's Day 3 already, and the first post she had was:
Her possible saving grace:
1. Her repeated insistence that she's prone to changing her opinions despite all pressure on her - which I still think is weak.
2. The fact that SO continued to pursue her on Day 2 - which I don't think is much of a saving grace in her case, judging from the way SO made a natural progression of rationales in his post, from my reread of him.
Conclusion:
I think she is scum. And I'm not really interested in her responses, because I expect her to just disappear and when things have cooled down a bit, come back and say that she didn't see anything asked of her, so pretty please ask the questions again (add something about seeing them as comments and not questions). I am far more interested in hearing other people's responses on this, which I think people have been avoiding.
Done. Next reread.
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Any reason we didn't lynch her earlier that I'm forgetting?
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Someone was worse, spotofprey is still alive?
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But it would be super cool if we could run up Jql today, before we do that.
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on CC: End of Day 1, I would say CC is glaringly obviously town. End of Day 2, I was less certain of it. He seemed to be pushing for SO's wagon, but then quietly back down when things got a bit heated on the SO's topic. I would still lean on CC as town however (
unless his alignment shifted halfway in between Day 1 and 2), because really, his actions on Day 1 is glaringly obviously town. -> Townon Infinis: I think he's town based on his reactions and posts in Day 2, since there's nothing to speak of in Day 1. Unless of course he lapse back into lurking-mode after not needing to defend his image anymore, I am leaning town on him -> Town, for now
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Same with Infinis and RR, really, since they were roleblocked yesterday.
>_> See above.
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Sweet.
(tl;dr FTW? ^_^;)
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vote spotofprey
Would like to hear from GR and Cubus in case they scored any useful info last night.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
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Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
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@Infinis: is the flavor he received consistent with yours?
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Also @ Spot why the vote on Goat? I don't understand your thinking here.
As for Jqlgirl, I thought she has been fishy in the past. Her and SO's "OMG ty for the Doctor" it what is really striking it for me. (Also for the fact that her and Cyan masterfully beat us in prehistoric and how she really didn't feel voting for him this game is also weighing heavy on my mind as well.)
Also Dagger, just because people are claiming to be roleblocked dosen't mean they are town.. It is exactly what Jqlgirl and Cyan tried to pull in Prehistoric.
Meaning? I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. You're saying the 2nd kill was from Spot, and that he was lying about being RBed? Or you know for certainty that you're the 3rd party, and you didn't perform any kill last night? Or that you believed his vig claim and knew that the 2nd kill wasn't from the SK?
Did you follow his defense when forced to claim yesterday?
I don't really understand why you're quoting Prehistoric here? The OMG doc thing is really a non-tell. And because Jql didn't vote for Cyan in this game, you suddenly can relate it to Prehistoric with such certainty that they are scums on the same team? How about the others not voting Cyan then? They didn't register because they weren't scums with Cyan in Prehistoric?
You'll have to quote for me where did I say with such definitive tone that I believed those roleblocked are absolutely town, because I can clearly remember instances when I said otherwise.
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From the sounds of it, he was shoveled - ~Tilde~'s last act. The way I see it, if he's mafia, they almost certainly picked someone else for the kill last night, since spot was exposed. This does pretty much mean that he isn't the SK, but I can still live with a lynch on him.
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Yep; SoP pretty much has to be mafia, barring some super-SK role. I'm going out on a limb here with ~ and assuming he actually did as we asked.
Roja's last post is quite bad; it strikes me as one of those "ask vague questions about today's topics" posts that scum like to do to blend in. Problem is - most of it's wrong as Dagger pointed out.
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I'm saying I don't believe that A. he was roleblocked last night. B. Isn't a Vig and C. Goat wasen't wrong. His Statement makes 0 sence. If he DID try to shoot Goat, that would have to mean 2 other shooters. Which would mean 3 shooters, which is what I don't beleive.
I really wanted to know what he had to say.. I am aware that he is claiming Goat is lying about tracking him. His statement sounded as if Goat was the reason he didn't fire last night, and I wanted him to clerify.
The OMG doc tell nabbed Someone. (At least it was then when I really started looking onto Someone more.) And with Cyan/Jqlgirl I am only relating the two as I don't want to be suckered by them yet again. Giving Jqlgirl wiggle room was what made us lose in Prehistoric. As for others not voting for Cyan I am not familir with his partners in games when he is scum. My comment was about experiance with those two.
I took your comment here:
I assumed that you were clearing the roleblocked.
Dagger's statement about Infinis and RR is in response to my moving him from the "cleared" pile to a lesser state with the presence of two killers. It's him pointing out neither of them is "clear", either.
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Right but his comment is what started ME looking at him more. It wasen't the super OMG so clear cut reason, but it was the start.
I see.
I read what you said (which Dagger quoted) wrong. I thought you were moving Dagger into the "cleared" not from.
No. Something happened. It doesn't state attack or anything, just that I answered a knock at my door and then nothing. I woke up on the floor feeling the effects of whatever happened, no hints as to what had happened except it was unpleasant.
It could've been an attack with a successful protect, roleblock, or some other x factor.
12-11? I'm losing track
12-11? I'm losing track
Huh. Wasn't expecting that.
Option 1: Ged is mixing up flavour descriptions so that we can't rely on them as much.
Option 2: spot is lying about being roleblocked and just made up flavour. Reason for that would be if the scum blocked ~Tilde~ but didn't want that made clear.
Meh. Option 1 is something to keep in mind, but doesn't reflect well or badly on spotofprey. Option 2 would reflect badly but is based on the assumption that he is already scum, so not reliable. This is probably not a discussion that will help us out very much.
He's lying - he made up my target from night 1, and is lurking on Day 2.
This is what I received as well. Knock at door, something hits me in head, wake up with headache.
Agreed. I think Infinis is being a little too literal with his comparison.
I'm also surprised that there wasn't a "You have been roleblocked" or anything at the end, but since I haven't seen Ged mod before, I don't really have much basis for my expectations.
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That's why I'm only 95% sure or so...5% chance there was some interaction with my role that isn't apparent to me.
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See, when I was blocked on Night 1, the flavour of what had happened to me was somewhat ambiguous, and I was not told in so many words that I had been blocked... but I was told specifically that the action that I had submitted (I am not vanilla) had not gone through.
We have a contradiction between goatrevolt and spotofprey. We have spot acting scummy yesterday after the accusation. We have the fact that spot being the mafia member who tried to do the kill on N1 would explain the lack of bodies. Now we have this, and I can make this make sense if I assume that spot is a mafia member who did not take an action last night, or if ~ was himself blocked.
vote: spotofprey. I think you should be our lynch today.
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We also have someone gaming the mod, and using some TERRIBLE reasoning. Infinis was also blocked night 1. Was he the mafia killer? You were also blocked night 1. Did YOU submit the kill? I was leaving my room to vig Goatrevolt, and this happened when I opened my door.
This is twice now in as many posts that you have been trying to game mod. You tried to explain what Ged may or may not be doing, and putting faith in it. Now you are telling me what my PM should or should not have said. Would you like to bring some actual evidence, or will you keep sitting back on your scummy standbys? FOS RobRoy - when you guys actually realize that I'm telling the truth, I think RR should be looked at after Goat and his lies.
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Vote Spotofprey
Nothing changes here. He's still scum. He probably did get roleblocked as well, because Tilde was told to roleblock him. That really doesn't affect his alignment in any way.
Cubus is correct regarding neighbors. I'd assume that's what ced was.
I'll check out the case on Jqlgirl later. As for now...lynch spot.
If I have to die, that's fine. But this stuff needs to be discussed, not just discarded because you got another vote on your wagon.
I wonder when Goat will be back to spread more lies :/
The only thing that changes is that when pressured to produce more proof you aren't lying, you can't. You are just hoping to finish the job before anyone realizes what you are doing.
Spot is definitely today's lynch; good that GR is claiming to have been blocked, too. This is a one or the other situation without a doubt; someone is lying.
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Gaming the mod is only a minor part of my reasoning. goatrevolt claims that you targeted Dagger on N1 - a night on which nobody died, and when DYH claims to have protected Dagger. You claim that you didn't target anyone. This means that, barring Ged giving false information to goatrevolt, one of the two of you are lying. goatrevolt has given assurances that he is not misinterpreting the info from Ged, and him coming out like that isn't a mafia action - they're already down two members, and wouldn't want to take a 1-for-1 on a random person. Most likely explanation is that you are lying, then. The rest of what I mentioned is icing on the cake.
Can you clarify without providing too much in detail - does this match the description I gave before of the block on me N1 (zapped with electricity)? If yes, I'd appreciate you saying so.
Much as I hate to draw fire on myself, you still have no proof that I'm not a SK, especially after the N1 block. Any argument that I have scumbuddies in this game, though, is most likely to be hilariously off-base.
I'll give you a couple days to put together some parting words, and then I'm going to vote.
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@RR: Yes, you're right. I was thinking in terms of "mafia" as scum, and didn't clear you fully, just "more likely to be town".
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I agree that Spot should be the lynch for today. (Consider this my vote for Spot.)
Before the day ends I want to know who targeted me last night.
goatrevolt - 1 (spotofprey)
JqlGirl - 1 (CropCircles)
spotofprey - 4 (The Mad Tapper, Cubus, RobRoy, goatrevolt)
With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch.
There should be 3 possible sources of NKs: Town, Mafia, SK. You don't believe there could be 3 kills per night?
This would mean you are certain Cyan and Jql are on the same team?
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Next up would be Roja.
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I understand today's lynch is essentially determined, but that doesn't mean you can go without posting.
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Yes I can beleive that there could be 3 kills per night. Explaining how there was 0 deaths and 2 deaths in back to back nights takes a lot of "what if's" but yes there COULD be 3 kills per night.
Currently, yes I think this way.
The only way spot could possibly be town is if he targeted Dagger night 1, and simply decided to lie about it as town. In other words, it's a nonexistent possibility.