Ah and here's the difference. When attacked in that game (and it's a current game, so we shouldnt talk much about it), soron, like 99% of newb town players, reacted with anger. With Fight. Newb town players who are accused of being scum real early without explicitly stated reasons confront their accuser.
And so, if a new player doesn't flip out unreasonably, they must be scum?
If anything I would applaud Emo_Pinata for not falling for the usual newb overreations and playing the game calmly.
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That's the scum reaction trying to not offend his accusers and hope they go away.
Why can't that be a town reaction?
Also of note: I will be visiting friends at college and then my grandparents in Florida until the 14th. While I expect my grandparents have internet, my available time will be significantly down, so I may only get 1-2 posts in over the next week, if at all.
And so, if a new player doesn't flip out unreasonably, they must be scum?
Why would you call it unreasonable. Regardless, It's not that he's not flipping out crazy. He's apologizing for his accusers.
Why can't that be a town reaction?
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The apolgizing bit isn't.
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OMG. I cannot believe I missed this logic. How true do you think this is?
The mod, whom I would expect to be reading through his game with interest, would have noticed my comment. Since he has not corrected his post, I think it is reasonably possible that one of the players is neither one of the boys nor one of the girls. Not sure how important that will turn out to be, but is certainly worth noting IMO.
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My first skim through gives me the same impression loran is getting. It's not so much that he's not flipping out, but rather his apologetic tone. I did the same thing as scum in DDay Mafia when Pale Mage put pressure on me for the scummy vibes I was giving off. I tried to rebut the points against me, but also tried to show that I understood why PM would feel the way he did in order to avoid looking OMGUS-y and to try to exude townie vibes.
I'll give things a better read through in a bit when I have more time.
Hrm. Some interesting points that have lead to some interesting posts and some interesting votes. I'd like to see where this pressure takes us.
unvote: Cubus vote:Emo_Pinata
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The mod, whom I would expect to be reading through his game with interest, would have noticed my comment. Since he has not corrected his post, I think it is reasonably possible that one of the players is neither one of the boys nor one of the girls. Not sure how important that will turn out to be, but is certainly worth noting IMO.
I like that thought. I feel the need to run with it.
There's nothing in the rules about gender claiming. I don't see any pitfalls of doing so on Day 1 and I can't see the scum being able to accurately choose which gender they need to claim to help them later down the road.
Heck, we might even have some sort of pants-sniffer role that investigates gender. Any dogs in the story line? That could be the odd one out.
The point is, no one would have any initial reason to lie that I can think of, other than to just be a liar. Could be a useful road map. The folks in the game are likely linked somehow to each other in ways that are in flavor with the story, that's why we're forbidden to name claim.
This may be seen by the mod as against the spirit of his intentions, and if he wants to shut it down before it starts, I certainly understand.
There's nothing in the rules about gender claiming. I don't see any pitfalls of doing so on Day 1 and I can't see the scum being able to accurately choose which gender they need to claim to help them later down the road.
Heck, we might even have some sort of pants-sniffer role that investigates gender. Any dogs in the story line? That could be the odd one out.
The point is, no one would have any initial reason to lie that I can think of, other than to just be a liar. Could be a useful road map. The folks in the game are likely linked somehow to each other in ways that are in flavor with the story, that's why we're forbidden to name claim.
This may be seen by the mod as against the spirit of his intentions, and if he wants to shut it down before it starts, I certainly understand.
But until then, thoughts?
I think some people might have to look up whether their names ars male or female.
Buuuuuut~ The mod didn't post anything about it, so I guess it's okay, desu!
Because I had a couple posts earlier said I didn't really think he read scummy. Then I did. Just doesn't look good to waffle, which I was kind of preemptively apologizing for.
Man, this game got going quick. Always nice to see. So, /confirm I guess.
On the subject of Emo Pinata, I can see why loran jumped on him, I got the same initial vibe, but I think his explanation was sound. Nothing wrong with answering questions posed to you.
I just realized I copied the wrong name from my notes.
A point I wish to bring up for discussion: I think we need to decide how many lynches we want to do per day, or at the very least how many lynches we want to do today. It is something we need to consider carefully, as there are advantages and disadvantages to lynching multiple people.
Pro: More lynches per block means less blocks during the game, meaning less kills by the scum.
Con: Less blocks during the game also means less town abilities being used. Also, second+ lynches during the day do not have the added benefit of knowing the alignment of the previous lynchee(s) of the day.
I just realized I copied the wrong name from my notes.
A point I wish to bring up for discussion: I think we need to decide how many lynches we want to do per day, or at the very least how many lynches we want to do today. It is something we need to consider carefully, as there are advantages and disadvantages to lynching multiple people.
Pro: More lynches per block means less blocks during the game, meaning less kills by the scum.
Con: Less blocks during the game also means less town abilities being used. Also, second+ lynches during the day do not have the added benefit of knowing the alignment of the previous lynchee(s) of the day.
Why FoS and not vote like, basically, everyone else is doing?
I can't imagine it is pro-town to lynch more than one person during CB1 unless we get like a daycop hit or some bizarre combination of roleclaims. It might very well present itself as pro-town to lynch multiple people at a later time, depending on claims and what we know by that point.
Why FoS and not vote like, basically, everyone else is doing?
As I said, it was a first impression from a quick skim (I had just got up and was going to have to head to work soon). I want to review his posts and the posts of those interacting with him before deciding whether to vote. I find it interesting that you are questioning me for not doing what "everyone else is doing". That's generally referred to as "bandwagonning", and not looked highly upon (with good reason). Once I have weighed things more thoroughly, I'll decide whether or not to vote.
Okay, all you who think you're crazy Japanese otakus, or really are Japanese otakus, i don't care, just shut up with the stupid anime memes and lets play this game, okay?
Battle Royale was a book first, not a manga, so lets keep that junk out of this game.
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If you know the answer why would you withhold information like that in attempt to make me appear scummy? I read the thread and went back and did ctrl F and obtained no result thereof.
After review, I'm not liking the EP wagon. The post that rings most familiar (and suspicious) to me is his "I don't think anyone voting me is scummy" line. A little too submissive for my liking, and worth noting for future reference. However, a lot about this wagon feels contrived. The prodding of him to speculate on why people are voting/FoSing him, rather than those people actually giving reasons of their own, bugged me. Especially since loran went on to criticize him for speculating despite the fact that he was directly asked for speculation.
If you know the answer why would you withhold information like that in attempt to make me appear scummy? I read the thread and went back and did ctrl F and obtained no result thereof.
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Because I had a couple posts earlier said I didn't really think he read scummy. Then I did. Just doesn't look good to waffle, which I was kind of preemptively apologizing for.
If the submissive apologizing of EP is scummy, is preemptive apologizing?
@Loran: Suspicions noted.
@The person who suggested it: Why do you believe gender claiming will aid the town?
If the submissive apologizing of EP is scummy, is preemptive apologizing?
Yes, I'd say that it is, especially since it came alongside LD using his vote to force a claim and express disgust rather than because he thinks the target is scummy. Of course, he dropped his vote on the other person I have a negative read on, which makes things complicated.
Anyway, I'm leaving my vote on EP, though LD is also worth watching.
If the submissive apologizing of EP is scummy, is preemptive apologizing?
Not in this case, no. I was just observing that I had disagreed with the forming EP wagon and then his next post cheesed me off enough to vote him. Call it a vote for behavioral modification, if you want; just thought EP could use some more pressure.
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Yes, I'd say that it is, especially since it came alongside LD using his vote to force a claim and express disgust rather than because he thinks the target is scummy. Of course, he dropped his vote on the other person I have a negative read on, which makes things complicated.
Anyway, I'm leaving my vote on EP, though LD is also worth watching.
I dropped my vote on Loran, you mean? The one that wasn't serious? I am quite certain that is irrelevant in every way.
Enjoy watching me, Foo...hope that's fun for you. I think the wagon's worth riding at least until EP cogently explains this behavior or until someone else does something worse, and EP is at like L-7. EP is way too submissive in general.
@MMoD: What don't you like about the casual claim (one that means very little unless everyone else claims and even then can only put 52% of players under suspicion) and what do you have to hide?
@The person who suggested it: Why do you believe gender claiming will aid the town?
It's information gathering that has no immediate anti-town aspects that I'm aware of. As I said before, the lore is obviously relevant, or else we wouldn't be restricted from name claiming. It probably won't mean much today. But later down the road, once we start to fill in pieces of the puzzle, who knows what we could gain from it. And if we do it today, the scum won't know if they should lie or not to help themselves later.
Besides, it's no more ridiculous than the random voting phase. Allows you to gauge reactions in relation to the discussion of fairly benign things.
1. I do not like Emo Pinata essentially calling his own behaviour 'interpretable as scummy'.
2. Even with the above, however, there does not seem to be anywhere near sufficient justification for the wagon on said Emo.
3. Interested in: whoever asked for a gender claim (what relevance does this have? why do you want a role claim so early?), Cyan (gut, and certain similarities in behaviour)
4. Enough with the Rozen Maiden already.
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I dropped my vote on Loran, you mean? The one that wasn't serious? I am quite certain that is irrelevant in every way.
Enjoy watching me, Foo...hope that's fun for you. I think the wagon's worth riding at least until EP cogently explains this behavior or until someone else does something worse, and EP is at like L-7. EP is way too submissive in general.
When I said "dropped," I meant placed. And it was referring to your vote on EP, which I agree with, though not so much the manner in which you did it. My strong agreement with your vote placement is the only reason I'm not voting you.
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So, what about my plan? I've heard almost no one respond to it.
Mass-claim, followed by mass-lynch today ( Y / N )
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I am confident that the mod is not so foolish as to design the game such that it could be broken Day 1 with either a mass claim, mass lynch, or combination thereof. Over the few games I've played, I've seen plenty of roles that in the current setup could turn your entire plan into a massive debacle. What good would mass claiming do if after the lynches and abilities all go through the scum are left in control of the end-game? Catching scum in false claims is a hollow victory if they outnumber the town. Even if Dagger can indeed prove himself to be town (which I will have to see to believe anyway), I can see way too much disaster potential to support such a plan.
@Cubus: The problem with your plan is that if we mass-lynch in the wrong order, the scum win.
As far as I know, the stack ceases to exist once all players have won or lost, so if, in the proposed mass-lynch, the totals become 3 scum / 3 vanilla town, scum would win.
To do this, it would require being able to "confirm" 5 - 7 townies. If you can do that (e.g. get 6 townies to dayvig lol), then we can just win lickety-split.
I doubt that's possible, though.
I still think it's possible to win on day 1 in this manner, but that requires scumhunting and active posting for everyone. This format seems to favor the town, as we have 500 hours to kill as many people as we want, then the scum get to kill only one person (plus our mystery 27th player probably gets to take an action).
A format like that can reward fast and hard lynches, but to do that, everyone needs to post, as the quietest people will be forgotten in the orgy of wagonhammering.
I think that's how this format is supposed to be played. It's Battle Royale. Students were killed quickly upon the start of the games.
So let's RIP AND TEAR the quietest people (bring them to L-2) to get their and other people's reactions.
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Does the fact that we cannot claim names inspire confidence in this assumption of yours?
I would say that the ban on name claims is indicative of the mod taking great care in balancing the nuances of his game. What most inspires confidence in my conclusion is that the games on this site are peer reviewed, and a game capable of ending on Day 1 outside of anything other than a remote corner case is unlikely to make it past the screening process.
Examples.
Unlynchability or Extra Life in the hands of either a mafia or malicious neutral would result in a 1 town / 1 scum scenario, dooming the town. An unblockable kill would also spell doom for the town. And none of those things would show up until the lynches resolved.
This is not an argument.
I was pointing out that if the plan is to mass lynch all but one player, then the mass claim really doesn't do much because by the time any "goes off at end of day" abilities would be seen to confirm what people have claimed, it's already too late if a scum makes it past the lynch (via one of the aforementioned abilities). The mass lynch might be useful for choosing who will be the player to leave alive, but it does not address the more relevant issue of problematic scum roles.
Well, replace Dagger with someone else. I'm pretty sure there's at least one player in this game who can confirm himself as town when claiming.
You may be right, but it's not the supposed confirmed player that is the problem with the plan.
Wow fast moving game, alot to catch up on. Right now Emo P seems high on the list for his going in circles. I'm not sure of Cubus at the moment. Not in favor of a mass claim as of now. No other vibes yet. Holding out a vote till further review.
As to the Woe is me, you didnt state it out right, but you're using that to be passive and absolve your accusers from blame. You're sucking up to them, (Well, i understand loran would be willing to attack me since im new and thus its not as much of a loss), and that's not the town reaction.
That's the scum reaction trying to not offend his accusers and hope they go away.
First, you admitted that EP didn't say the entire "woe is me" part directly as you earlier claimed. Then, you accused EP of using "woe is me" as a stepping stone to solidify your own attack on him. But I thought you said he didn't go all "woe is me"?
You're making some outrageous claims here in your effort to undermine EP.
I'm just not really feeling it from Emo_Pinata. He feels like a softcore Soron. Right down to the "if I'm town" sentence.
Therefore, I can only conclude that you were in actual fact deliberately fence-sitting but only saying it out loud to dismiss any attack that would come your way as a result of it. You were testing the water, so to speak, and now that you found it warm, you were preparing to jump in.
Again, this is not an argument. Yes, a mass-lynch is game-deciding, so if we do it right, we win, and if we do it wrong, we lose. What I want to hear is arguments why it's more likely that we do it wrong.
Well I guess I could do the math (but it'll probably be wrong). Let's say... 6 mafia for a 27-player game? Plus our mystery guest?
So let's say we have to hit 7 out of 27 entities.
Umm, actually, I don't remember how to do that math. I think it has something to do with permutations.
Would I be correct in assuming that is the only reason you are voting EP? The overreaction part to your "fence-sitting"?
Because if I recall correctly, you were claiming earlier that you believed EP "felt like town".
Yes, that is my reasoning. And hello, there's a thing called time. I can't predict the future and make an informed decision on him before he posts, lol.
Therefore, I can only conclude that you were in actual fact deliberately fence-sitting but only saying it out loud to dismiss any attack that would come your way as a result of it.
Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I was doing, duh. Did I not make it obvious?
I recall townie newbies expressing belief that their attackers are townish while their defenders are scummish in games I have played in. That has more to do with their self-confidence in handling other more experienced players than anything.
Hrm. Some interesting points that have lead to some interesting posts and some interesting votes. I'd like to see where this pressure takes us.
unvote: Cubus vote:Emo_Pinata
So, the reason you are voting EP is because you want pressure and not because you agree with loran? BTW, "interesting" is a very casual dismissive way to justify everything without actually expressing opinions.
I like that thought. I feel the need to run with it.
There's nothing in the rules about gender claiming. I don't see any pitfalls of doing so on Day 1 and I can't see the scum being able to accurately choose which gender they need to claim to help them later down the road.
Heck, we might even have some sort of pants-sniffer role that investigates gender. Any dogs in the story line? That could be the odd one out.
The point is, no one would have any initial reason to lie that I can think of, other than to just be a liar. Could be a useful road map. The folks in the game are likely linked somehow to each other in ways that are in flavor with the story, that's why we're forbidden to name claim.
This may be seen by the mod as against the spirit of his intentions, and if he wants to shut it down before it starts, I certainly understand.
But until then, thoughts?
The scums wouldn't have any incentive to lie about their gender claims then, since essentially the only way to verify said claims would be to get their names, which is forbidden upon the pain of modkill.
It's information gathering that has no immediate anti-town aspects that I'm aware of. As I said before, the lore is obviously relevant, or else we wouldn't be restricted from name claiming. It probably won't mean much today. But later down the road, once we start to fill in pieces of the puzzle, who knows what we could gain from it. And if we do it today, the scum won't know if they should lie or not to help themselves later.
Besides, it's no more ridiculous than the random voting phase. Allows you to gauge reactions in relation to the discussion of fairly benign things.
But we are currently way out of the random voting phase. A mass claim of the nature you suggested might be worthy to prod things along if it gets stale. As it is, there are plenty of reactions already within the thread, and I'll note you are not contributing any.
So you're saying that you came across unlynchable scums in the few games that you've played? Again, examples please.
krowzy as scum in Fiasco Corp was able to make himself unlynchable (or more specifically unvotable), though there was a limit to how many times he could do this.
It's also strange that you trust the mod to make an unbreakable game, yet at the same time find it plausible that he put an unlynchable scum in the game. A role that would punish the town for mass-lynching correctly. You think that would make it through the screening process?
See, this in an interesting spin you're trying to put on this. Your implication here is that in the event the town "mass lynched correctly" (i.e. found and voted all the scum) Day 1 that such a role would punish them for their spectacular play. However, you're not advocating finding and correctly lynching the scum. You're advocating trying to successfully find one (or more) confirmable townies and then axing everyone else, scum and town alike, in order to score a win in a manner I dare to suggest is quite contrary to what the mod would want. You're advocating trying to cheese the system, and I would not be surprised at all if the mod put something in place to punish the town for trying such a thing.
Mass-claim, followed by mass-lynch today ( Y / N )
Hmm. Y
We can start forcing all those who seem likely to be scums behaviorally to claim first. This should be novel enough to be interesting in this block system.
I would say that the ban on name claims is indicative of the mod taking great care in balancing the nuances of his game. What most inspires confidence in my conclusion is that the games on this site are peer reviewed, and a game capable of ending on Day 1 outside of anything other than a remote corner case is unlikely to make it past the screening process.
That's hard to say. Bluesoul hasn't been here for quite some time.
Yes, that is my reasoning. And hello, there's a thing called time. I can't predict the future and make an informed decision on him before he posts, lol.
Bloody poor reasoning then, to jump onto a forming wagon.
What did your notes say? Since you didn't give any explanation for the switch and all.
I had a note about Seppel voting EP right above a note about EP accusing Seppel of OMGUS. I was in a hurry because I had to get ready for work and accidentally copied the name from the wrong line (ironically, the reason I copy/paste names is to make sure I don't misspell them when retyping).
Look first day mass-claim is not going to work. You think in a game with this sort of lynch mechanic he wouldn't put in things to stop first day mass claim win? The names were part of blocks he put in place. I don't think it'll be good, and I won't be taking part in them if they do occur.
And seppel, I'm hiding everything about my role (for now). I don't like you claiming because it's giving out information that has no need to be out in the open. How do you know this will benifit us (the town)? Until you know for sure (which you don't) that this is better for the town, then you should keep your trap shut about this. No one calculates best case scenarios and plans according to them.
Note: have not looked over dagger posts, will do so later.
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If anything I would applaud Emo_Pinata for not falling for the usual newb overreations and playing the game calmly.
Why can't that be a town reaction?
Also of note: I will be visiting friends at college and then my grandparents in Florida until the 14th. While I expect my grandparents have internet, my available time will be significantly down, so I may only get 1-2 posts in over the next week, if at all.
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Why would you call it unreasonable. Regardless, It's not that he's not flipping out crazy. He's apologizing for his accusers.
The apolgizing bit isn't.
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The mod, whom I would expect to be reading through his game with interest, would have noticed my comment. Since he has not corrected his post, I think it is reasonably possible that one of the players is neither one of the boys nor one of the girls. Not sure how important that will turn out to be, but is certainly worth noting IMO.
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My first skim through gives me the same impression loran is getting. It's not so much that he's not flipping out, but rather his apologetic tone. I did the same thing as scum in DDay Mafia when Pale Mage put pressure on me for the scummy vibes I was giving off. I tried to rebut the points against me, but also tried to show that I understood why PM would feel the way he did in order to avoid looking OMGUS-y and to try to exude townie vibes.
I'll give things a better read through in a bit when I have more time.
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Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Hrm. Some interesting points that have lead to some interesting posts and some interesting votes. I'd like to see where this pressure takes us.
unvote: Cubus
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I like that thought. I feel the need to run with it.
There's nothing in the rules about gender claiming. I don't see any pitfalls of doing so on Day 1 and I can't see the scum being able to accurately choose which gender they need to claim to help them later down the road.
Heck, we might even have some sort of pants-sniffer role that investigates gender. Any dogs in the story line? That could be the odd one out.
The point is, no one would have any initial reason to lie that I can think of, other than to just be a liar. Could be a useful road map. The folks in the game are likely linked somehow to each other in ways that are in flavor with the story, that's why we're forbidden to name claim.
This may be seen by the mod as against the spirit of his intentions, and if he wants to shut it down before it starts, I certainly understand.
But until then, thoughts?
Why do you think that will look terrible later?
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Where do you think voting EP will take you?
A place I'd like to see.
Whether he is town or scum (or whatever), I think it's as good of an opportunity as any to get some initial reactions out of people.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
He does seem to be trying very hard to avoid confrontation, which usually means either scum or a power role.
And since he has already said he wouldn't be a huge loss to the town, that only leaves one likely possibility.
VOTE: Emo Pinata
I think some people might have to look up whether their names ars male or female.
Buuuuuut~ The mod didn't post anything about it, so I guess it's okay, desu!
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Because I had a couple posts earlier said I didn't really think he read scummy. Then I did. Just doesn't look good to waffle, which I was kind of preemptively apologizing for.
On the subject of Emo Pinata, I can see why loran jumped on him, I got the same initial vibe, but I think his explanation was sound. Nothing wrong with answering questions posed to you.
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I just realized I copied the wrong name from my notes.
A point I wish to bring up for discussion: I think we need to decide how many lynches we want to do per day, or at the very least how many lynches we want to do today. It is something we need to consider carefully, as there are advantages and disadvantages to lynching multiple people.
Pro: More lynches per block means less blocks during the game, meaning less kills by the scum.
Con: Less blocks during the game also means less town abilities being used. Also, second+ lynches during the day do not have the added benefit of knowing the alignment of the previous lynchee(s) of the day.
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The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
There's nothing that can't be improved by more desu.
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Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Why FoS and not vote like, basically, everyone else is doing?
I can't imagine it is pro-town to lynch more than one person during CB1 unless we get like a daycop hit or some bizarre combination of roleclaims. It might very well present itself as pro-town to lynch multiple people at a later time, depending on claims and what we know by that point.
As I said, it was a first impression from a quick skim (I had just got up and was going to have to head to work soon). I want to review his posts and the posts of those interacting with him before deciding whether to vote. I find it interesting that you are questioning me for not doing what "everyone else is doing". That's generally referred to as "bandwagonning", and not looked highly upon (with good reason). Once I have weighed things more thoroughly, I'll decide whether or not to vote.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
sore losers in regards to what?
omg I'm so sorrrrrry desu~!
like we're all dead in a game that's still going on so we can't talk about it yet lol desu~!
insiiiiide jooooke rofl desu~
what's desu?
Clearly you need to lurk moar.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Seppel... please.... no...
Okay, all you who think you're crazy Japanese otakus, or really are Japanese otakus, i don't care, just shut up with the stupid anime memes and lets play this game, okay?
Battle Royale was a book first, not a manga, so lets keep that junk out of this game.
Grazi.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
If you know the answer why would you withhold information like that in attempt to make me appear scummy? I read the thread and went back and did ctrl F and obtained no result thereof.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
It's an inside joke for people who are familiar with 4chan. Search on Encyclopedia Dramatica for "Desu" to better understand (I won't actually link ED from here, as it is a very NSFW site). Lighten up, Francis.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
If the submissive apologizing of EP is scummy, is preemptive apologizing?
@Loran: Suspicions noted.
@The person who suggested it: Why do you believe gender claiming will aid the town?
Unvote.
I hate to say it, but agreed.
Yes, I'd say that it is, especially since it came alongside LD using his vote to force a claim and express disgust rather than because he thinks the target is scummy. Of course, he dropped his vote on the other person I have a negative read on, which makes things complicated.
Anyway, I'm leaving my vote on EP, though LD is also worth watching.
Because it would result in a one sentence post
Not in this case, no. I was just observing that I had disagreed with the forming EP wagon and then his next post cheesed me off enough to vote him. Call it a vote for behavioral modification, if you want; just thought EP could use some more pressure.
I dropped my vote on Loran, you mean? The one that wasn't serious? I am quite certain that is irrelevant in every way.
Enjoy watching me, Foo...hope that's fun for you. I think the wagon's worth riding at least until EP cogently explains this behavior or until someone else does something worse, and EP is at like L-7. EP is way too submissive in general.
Ha. His username is fairly accurate, then.
@MMoD: What don't you like about the casual claim (one that means very little unless everyone else claims and even then can only put 52% of players under suspicion) and what do you have to hide?
It's information gathering that has no immediate anti-town aspects that I'm aware of. As I said before, the lore is obviously relevant, or else we wouldn't be restricted from name claiming. It probably won't mean much today. But later down the road, once we start to fill in pieces of the puzzle, who knows what we could gain from it. And if we do it today, the scum won't know if they should lie or not to help themselves later.
Besides, it's no more ridiculous than the random voting phase. Allows you to gauge reactions in relation to the discussion of fairly benign things.
Quick conclusions on run through:
1. I do not like Emo Pinata essentially calling his own behaviour 'interpretable as scummy'.
2. Even with the above, however, there does not seem to be anywhere near sufficient justification for the wagon on said Emo.
3. Interested in: whoever asked for a gender claim (what relevance does this have? why do you want a role claim so early?), Cyan (gut, and certain similarities in behaviour)
4. Enough with the Rozen Maiden already.
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
When I said "dropped," I meant placed. And it was referring to your vote on EP, which I agree with, though not so much the manner in which you did it. My strong agreement with your vote placement is the only reason I'm not voting you.
unvote
Vote Seppel
any game with him gets better without.
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I am confident that the mod is not so foolish as to design the game such that it could be broken Day 1 with either a mass claim, mass lynch, or combination thereof. Over the few games I've played, I've seen plenty of roles that in the current setup could turn your entire plan into a massive debacle. What good would mass claiming do if after the lynches and abilities all go through the scum are left in control of the end-game? Catching scum in false claims is a hollow victory if they outnumber the town. Even if Dagger can indeed prove himself to be town (which I will have to see to believe anyway), I can see way too much disaster potential to support such a plan.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
As far as I know, the stack ceases to exist once all players have won or lost, so if, in the proposed mass-lynch, the totals become 3 scum / 3 vanilla town, scum would win.
To do this, it would require being able to "confirm" 5 - 7 townies. If you can do that (e.g. get 6 townies to dayvig lol), then we can just win lickety-split.
I doubt that's possible, though.
I still think it's possible to win on day 1 in this manner, but that requires scumhunting and active posting for everyone. This format seems to favor the town, as we have 500 hours to kill as many people as we want, then the scum get to kill only one person (plus our mystery 27th player probably gets to take an action).
A format like that can reward fast and hard lynches, but to do that, everyone needs to post, as the quietest people will be forgotten in the orgy of wagonhammering.
I think that's how this format is supposed to be played. It's Battle Royale. Students were killed quickly upon the start of the games.
So let's RIP AND TEAR the quietest people (bring them to L-2) to get their and other people's reactions.
unvote
vote Kpaca for being on the bottom of the post tally
Let's save our comments on that until after Star Trek mafia is over. <3 kawaii inu dokichan desuuuuuuuu~ gome nasai!!
I would say that the ban on name claims is indicative of the mod taking great care in balancing the nuances of his game. What most inspires confidence in my conclusion is that the games on this site are peer reviewed, and a game capable of ending on Day 1 outside of anything other than a remote corner case is unlikely to make it past the screening process.
Unlynchability or Extra Life in the hands of either a mafia or malicious neutral would result in a 1 town / 1 scum scenario, dooming the town. An unblockable kill would also spell doom for the town. And none of those things would show up until the lynches resolved.
I was pointing out that if the plan is to mass lynch all but one player, then the mass claim really doesn't do much because by the time any "goes off at end of day" abilities would be seen to confirm what people have claimed, it's already too late if a scum makes it past the lynch (via one of the aforementioned abilities). The mass lynch might be useful for choosing who will be the player to leave alive, but it does not address the more relevant issue of problematic scum roles.
You may be right, but it's not the supposed confirmed player that is the problem with the plan.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I am always serious.
Roger that.
I am tempted to say you are deliberately being wishy-washy, but I am not certain. Oh well.
Is it? I didn't get that impression from him at all.
And you know for certain how a townie would act natural? I smell something fishy here.
First, you admitted that EP didn't say the entire "woe is me" part directly as you earlier claimed. Then, you accused EP of using "woe is me" as a stepping stone to solidify your own attack on him. But I thought you said he didn't go all "woe is me"?
You're making some outrageous claims here in your effort to undermine EP.
Would I be correct in assuming that is the only reason you are voting EP? The overreaction part to your "fence-sitting"?
Because if I recall correctly, you were claiming earlier that you believed EP "felt like town". Let me quote it again.
Therefore, I can only conclude that you were in actual fact deliberately fence-sitting but only saying it out loud to dismiss any attack that would come your way as a result of it. You were testing the water, so to speak, and now that you found it warm, you were preparing to jump in.
You should do the same of me. I sure am hell defending EP right now.
QFT. I'll tell you why. Seppel is scum.
Next part coming right up.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Well I guess I could do the math (but it'll probably be wrong). Let's say... 6 mafia for a 27-player game? Plus our mystery guest?
So let's say we have to hit 7 out of 27 entities.
Umm, actually, I don't remember how to do that math. I think it has something to do with permutations.
You wanted an argument, there's your argument. How can you not use a scum-win scenario to describe an argument where a mass-lynch may cause a loss?
Seems like you're trying to find hidden meanings in my words.
For testing your plan? I wasn't even talking about Emo_Pinata. Pay attention, geez.
I was, because I didn't have enough of a profile on Emo_Pinata when I made that post.
Yes, that is my reasoning. And hello, there's a thing called time. I can't predict the future and make an informed decision on him before he posts, lol.
Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I was doing, duh. Did I not make it obvious?
That's correct. So what? And now I'm trying Cubus's idea.
So then you quote an incorrect statement by Emo_Pinata to decide that I'm scum?
I thought I was bad at this game, but I'm constantly being amazed.
I recall townie newbies expressing belief that their attackers are townish while their defenders are scummish in games I have played in. That has more to do with their self-confidence in handling other more experienced players than anything.
So, the reason you are voting EP is because you want pressure and not because you agree with loran? BTW, "interesting" is a very casual dismissive way to justify everything without actually expressing opinions.
The scums wouldn't have any incentive to lie about their gender claims then, since essentially the only way to verify said claims would be to get their names, which is forbidden upon the pain of modkill.
I'm interested in your "initial reaction", and thus far, it hasn't been favorable.
What's that one possibility that you have inferred?
What did your notes say? Since you didn't give any explanation for the switch and all.
OMG. Since when did that become a scum tell horrible enough to worth a bandwagon all on its own?
But we are currently way out of the random voting phase. A mass claim of the nature you suggested might be worthy to prod things along if it gets stale. As it is, there are plenty of reactions already within the thread, and I'll note you are not contributing any.
Justification for vote? It feels random to me, and yet you clearly indicated game has already started and random voting phase is over?
Next part coming up.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
krowzy as scum in Fiasco Corp was able to make himself unlynchable (or more specifically unvotable), though there was a limit to how many times he could do this.
See, this in an interesting spin you're trying to put on this. Your implication here is that in the event the town "mass lynched correctly" (i.e. found and voted all the scum) Day 1 that such a role would punish them for their spectacular play. However, you're not advocating finding and correctly lynching the scum. You're advocating trying to successfully find one (or more) confirmable townies and then axing everyone else, scum and town alike, in order to score a win in a manner I dare to suggest is quite contrary to what the mod would want. You're advocating trying to cheese the system, and I would not be surprised at all if the mod put something in place to punish the town for trying such a thing.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Hmm. Y
We can start forcing all those who seem likely to be scums behaviorally to claim first. This should be novel enough to be interesting in this block system.
That's hard to say. Bluesoul hasn't been here for quite some time.
Bloody poor reasoning then, to jump onto a forming wagon.
Oh, but he got the gist of the entire thing right.
And do I smell a personal attack?
Anyway, Unvote, Vote: Seppel
Also, this doesn't mean I am starting to trust desCoures even if I'm currently not voting him.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I had a note about Seppel voting EP right above a note about EP accusing Seppel of OMGUS. I was in a hurry because I had to get ready for work and accidentally copied the name from the wrong line (ironically, the reason I copy/paste names is to make sure I don't misspell them when retyping).
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
And seppel, I'm hiding everything about my role (for now). I don't like you claiming because it's giving out information that has no need to be out in the open. How do you know this will benifit us (the town)? Until you know for sure (which you don't) that this is better for the town, then you should keep your trap shut about this. No one calculates best case scenarios and plans according to them.
Note: have not looked over dagger posts, will do so later.