Hold on on the simul-posting. WOLG, how do you acquire additional votes ?
I already said that I can't say due to the fact that I WILL LOSE MY ABILITY...all I can safely say is that the longer the day drags on, the more I'll be able to help people that can't vote.
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I say we wait until tomorrow to reveal his restriction, basically because he (to the best of my knowledge) is claiming that if he reveals his power his special ability goes away, which would, you know, suck for the town if he is one.
I say we wait until tomorrow to reveal his restriction, basically because he (to the best of my knowledge) is claiming that if he reveals his power his special ability goes away, which would, you know, suck for the town if he is one.
There is no restriction, unless you count "not making myself a target for the mafia by shutting my mouth" a restriction. Wait, I might actually get nightkilled this game...I might have a cunning plan...^_^
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There are several mistakes in C_F's role PM, but I also am suspicious of Alfred's. However, there is one huge one I can't ignore in C_F's tho, and that is the missing period after 'FOR US'. The missing period is very indicative of something that was misquoted. Sorry C_F, but if you are mafia this is the second time you screwed that up (Battlestar MAfia)
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Hmmm, I did not see the one missing after his country name, and I skim read the last 4 pages so I may have missed it. If anything, both missing makes them more likely to be mistakes. But it too late now, right?
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It's basically a contradiction. If Hvir just copied and pasted the info into the PM made the name change and sent it, it would have the periods along with the name. If he re-wrote the whole thing, and forgot to add the periods, he wouldn't have added the "confirm" part again, like Alpha pointed out. Unless there is something I'm missing here, these seem to just cancel each other out, proving that he's guilty.
Alfred, you are missing that Hvir didn't write all the role PM's. Therefore someone else could have made the mistake. Its still as good a lead as we have besides you tho. If there is a cop left, see Alfred as a target.
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Did you all seriously just lynch a player based on punctuation?
Comparing all the known PM's side by side, it seems pretty obvious that the punctuation is not consistent among any of them.
Austria's FOR US doesn't have quotes around it like the others. Pakistan and Afghanistan apparently don't even have the words FOR US in their PMs, let alone a period after them.
Anyway, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised; the town has been bandwagoning like crazy this game. I just hope y'all actually are right this time.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Did you all seriously just lynch a player based on punctuation?
Comparing all the known PM's side by side, it seems pretty obvious that the punctuation is not consistent among any of them.
Austria's FOR US doesn't have quotes around it like the others. Pakistan and Afghanistan apparently don't even have the words FOR US in their PMs, let alone a period after them.
Anyway, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised; the town has been bandwagoning like crazy this game. I just hope y'all actually are right this time.
For some reason "Death by punctuation" Doesn't really suprise me.
Alfred, you are missing that Hvir didn't write all the role PM's. Therefore someone else could have made the mistake. Its still as good a lead as we have besides you tho. If there is a cop left, see Alfred as a target.
Take a look at ALL of the role PMs that were sent out, yes, some of them have a different format, but EVERY ONE has the period after their country's name, even the ones with a different makeup. Why the only claim that came from someone suspicious leave out these two things that were in every other PM?
In regards to me, I heard someone say that I "copied my PM from the first WDM" but this is obviously not true: look at the format of the PM:
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kingcobweb, you are the USA, land of freedom and the American way. Since the US is the best at everything it does, you have a wide range of abilites to choose from while away from the UN Meeting. Send Foreign Aid: Protect another nation from attack. Conduct Investigation: Determine another nation's identity. Order Nuclear Attack: Destroy another nation. Impose Sanctions: Prevent another nation from participating at the next UN meeting.
Victory Condition: Eliminate all AGAINST US nations.
See how it's totally different? My PM fits all of the criteria the other PMs do, because it's the real deal. I'm also still almost positive that CP is scum, so please, build a case against me, but I wouldn't expect to find much.
Its the second part. The "Try explaining" thing. The vannila that was killed did not have that.
The other country wasn't Afghanistan! You would expect Afghanistan to have some sort of ability wouldn't you? That doesn't really matter because it's not the syntax that is different than all of the others, i.e. everything is in it's right place, however, the message is different with EVERY country.
Alfred, my point is not yet taken. It is the same line from the first game, separated by a line (mine is not sperated by a line, neither is anyone elses as far as I remember). I am slightly doubtful, but CP might be a better target.
BTW, perfect punctuation here (rereads role PM to check).
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What the hell, I go to work, and 9 hours later we have a speed lynch about role pms where the mod specifically said that they were written by many people? It's twilight, so I can't unvote to stop the lynch, can I?
My PM is perfectly punctuated except for dodgy linebreaks. The words 'FOR US' do not appear in my PM.
The bit about "please confirm" coupled with his name was a good pickup, although honestly I think Hvir is just as likely to have copy-pasted and changed the name.
I think the additional comment from Hvir that he quoted is interesting in that the messed-up tag suggests something was edited there. And in any case, comments about additional cruelty to the town suggest scum
That ability strikes me as the scum's way to counteract the town multivoters. I suspect the ability and country name is correct, just not the alignment.
BTW, Hvir, if CF is Singapore, would I be right that Verbal wrote that one?
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Go back to day one... all the way back... keep going, your almost there.. there you are. Now, it clearly says somewhere that US "(*Doesn't*)" mean the united states. It means us, as in we... but different.
I just wanted to clarify that.
And, since all known post w/ FOR US.<- have that period, it's pretty safe to assume that he removed an AGAINST US. and inserted his own FOR US<- but forgot the period :(. Poor guy, didn't even have much of a chance. Stupid anal retention...
Also, since he is lynched, are we just waiting for confirmation from H-guy?
Hmm, RafK supports the line breaks. I take back my suspicions about Alfred's role PM and go back to suspecting him, RafK, and CP...
I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone else's claims and revealed PMs have linebreaks appearing in perfectly normal places. Mine do not.
Ah, no, I do see what you're talking about.
Interestingly, the main paragraph of my role PM (if not for all the random extra line breaks mid-sentence, which could come from being copied over from an e-mail program) doesn't have a single line break after a full stop. Alfred's remains the only exposed PM that isn't one big paragraph between the "You are COUNTRYNAME." and the "Please confirm." Most interesting.
Also WOTG, can you answer direct yes or no questions about your ability? If so, do you gain votes based on the posts you make?
Also, sorta weird that we lynched someone based on grammar (if lynch them we did). If they turn out town, I'll probably be sorta suspicious of Bateluer.
That said, it makes sense that either WOLG or CF would be scum, and I'm somewhat confident thta WOLG is town. So I'm okay with the lynch. I guess.
Also WOTG, can you answer direct yes or no questions about your ability? If so, do you gain votes based on the posts you make?
Also, sorta weird that we lynched someone based on grammar (if lynch them we did). If they turn out town, I'll probably be sorta suspicious of Bateluer.
That said, it makes sense that either WOLG or CF would be scum, and I'm somewhat confident thta WOLG is town. So I'm okay with the lynch. I guess.
This dayt was crazy, though.
As far as I'm concerned this day is over, so I'm done for the night. H-Guy will be waking up within the next 3-4 hours, so EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET THEIR NIGHT CHOICES READY NOW! Maybe we can be awesome and get the day started early.
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EVEN if That Which Squeaks was allowed to vote, it would still be a total of 13 votes, with 7 to lynch.
Ever the stickler for proper punctuation, the other nations put on their Grammar Nazi hats on and eject Crippled_Fist from the UN due to his (apparent) inability to use periods.
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Crippled_Fist,
You are SINGAPORE
Your nation is 'FOR US' To reflect your hardline stance against drugs and support for the death penalty, your vote counts as 2 votes if the nation you vote for is 2 votes or less away from being lynched.
Please confirm.
Victory condition:
All 'AGAINST US' nations eliminated.
Players, send in your night choices.
EDIT: Apologies to Crippled_Fist. I checked back, and Singapore's PM was typed up by my 9-year old neighbour. She spells decently enough, but that punctuation...
(Sorry to night-post: Hvir, is it intended that AlphaInsidious has two votes down at the end, on CF and on Alfred? In this game, I can't just assume it's an error...)
Not much happened while the UN council was away. A natural disaster here, an outbreak there. The usual stuff.
Oh, and WellOfLostGnomes is out of the game.
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WellOfLostGnomes,
You are INDIA.
You are 'FOR US'. India has the second largest population on earth and the fastest growing population. To reflect this, you get an additional vote for every 100 posts made in a particular day. These additional votes do NOT affect the total required to lynch, so it is possible for you to single-handedly lynch a player during the day. There is no upper limit on the number of votes you may acquire and use, but the votes don't carry over to other days. You LOSE this ability if you tell any other nation about this power of yours.
Please confirm.
Victory condition:
All 'AGAINST US' nations eliminated.
(For the record, please let me state that the repetitive use of 'population' in the role description is jarring, and typing it up was painful.)
In a bizzare turn of events, carrion pigeons' nation has declared that he is to vote for... carrion pigeons?!
Alright! well, again only one nation dead. To start the day off, I'm a little suspicious of Bateleur. Day 1, I sorta got the impression that he was really directing the Az lynch - not sure why - and then yesterday he started the whole business about the improper grammar.
Not particularly suspicious of him, but I think he might merit a closer look.
Also, lolz at CP voting CP.
Also also, I'm sorta weirded out by the sheer number of multi-voters this game...
Also also also, at Alfred - remember Day One? Yeah, there probably is an SK. Don't know though.
Those are all plausable scenarios, but you're forgetting that it could have been the Vig, who could be a newer player forgetting not to Vig night 1.
Or, it could be that someone has correctly picked the SK two nights in a row, which means somebody knows who the Vig is, and hasn't been hinting/or we just haven't picked up on it.
So, possible 3 of our 4 most powerful townies (inspector, mega multi voters, (We still have a doc!... if we have a doc)) are dead. But, the up side is that a mafia is dead.
We have 13 players left, and 3 or 4 of them are probably mafia.
So... for no apparent reason i'll FOS: AlphaInsidious for the main reason that he's not posted very often, and usually just adds to bandwagons. (please correct me if i'm wrong, i have very bad memory, and not the time to check back on the thread) Also, i don't think he's been checked out too much, and we need to check out as many people as possible.
Well, the only time that I've added to a bandwagon was that very last one, and I gave my own reasons in addition to the ones already checked out in regards to the role pm...Also, I've posted fairly often, much more than some, and I've been reading, at least. Maybe we can get a post count, Hvir? But hey, check away.
C_F thing sucked...it really seemed fishy, because against all the other pm's it didn't match, and i recall this same EXACT thing happening in Battlestar Mafia, but it turned out he did fake it. So that's now too many townies and one flippin' mafia.
I'm amazed that there was two town multi-voters...in fact, it makes me shiver when I think what the mafia might have in their arsenal, especially outnumbered as they are.
Luckily, only one of our roles was hit (inspector) that is commonly considered clutch, although Wolg and Az are huge losses...gotta pick it up town..
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
That link doesn't give me the post count for some reason...redirects me to forum games, but also I say that the quality of the post is largely what matters posting, "I agree with X Vote: Y" is hardly a substantial or necessary post, and just adds to post counts...but I don't mean to argue..I've no problem with someone investigating my actions, and obviously, I will be much more active from here on out.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
To check the post count, from the main "forum games" list of threads, each thread has the number of current posts listed. Click that number for the post count broken down by person.
Second of all, you suck, whoever voted for C_F. I actually had some information in my PM that might have made him look better. And you voted him for punctuation?
Anyway, does anyone else have any references to drugs in their role PMs? I have a feeling there might be a theme of some kind regarding who the mafia are, considering that the Netherlands was mafia, what C_F's role said, and what my own PM says.
Anyway, goodnight. I'll probably be able to post again on Friday.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
For the record, my pm does not reference drugs in any way, and CP, you could very well be right about that theme, it makes sense at least.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
(First thing I've typed with my shiny new curved keyboard, so don't hurt me if there's more typos than usual. I swear- who;s bright idea was a keyboard where the B, H and N keys are so huge compared to the rest? I'll get you, Bhn Nnbhb!)
Puzzle- Yeah, could be, although it felt yesterday like pulling teeth a little to stall the CP wagon (of course, it probably didn't help that I was unsure about doing it; they say that sticking up for people without firm information is a low percentage play in mafia, and it's probably true). I actually felt that the lack of any counters to Alfred before I spoke up was a point in cp's favor. Not one I brought up then, because obviously it's only a point that works for me-who-knows-I'm-not-scum and so is pretty useless to the rest of you, but still. It felt to me like a scum wagon which stalled because no scum was willing to finish it off officially (although CP could have been deadline-lynched at one point without further votes) and in the intervening time it became apparent that it wasn't the world's best wagon. That said, now we KNOW beaker/cf was not scum, it's definitely time to see who was really happy to ram that through.
I certainly wouldn't mind a look at bat, no secret yesterday I was looking at him (especially for trying to have it both ways with saying beaker was most scummy while egging Alfred on with CP), but given that I've messed up the last two days I'm not really planning on spearheading anything else for the time being. Once we've found another mafia I daresay I'll be able to pattern the game together, but I'm really lost right now. I got overexcited yesterday when musashi came up scum, because that validated my theory from day 1 that scum-beaker had been defending scum-musashi.
It looks like we're going to see another battle between Puzzle and Bat... but unlike most of the games that I've read, I'm going to have to go with Puzzle on this one.
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Crippled_Fist's PM looks possibly fake to me.
I'm not saying why just yet - first, if anyone else thinks the same, please can they add a post saying "Yep, that looked odd to me too" but not saying why.
Note: I'm not 100% sure, it's just highly suspicious.
That's where the whole grammar lynch started, which is a bit of a shoestring to lynch someone by. I'm going to really have to hear some explanation from Bateleur, or FOS: Bateleur becomes a vote.
So now I get to look scummy for pointing out the error in the PM. Great. Though in fairness I wasn't the only person who thought that looked dodgy and the presence of the actual error was a stone cold fact.
I hope the players who saved CP's sorry butt will now be suitably contrite about the fact that we now find ourselves at the start of day three with far less information than we might have done had we lynched CP yesterday.
Pointless moping on my part aside, there is some interesting stuff from yesterday. Puzzle makes the point here that we basically had a speed lynch again. This is supremely ironic considering the day was so slow it made me want to chew glass. However, he is right. Look at this:
My vote on C_F came more than 24 hours after the previous vote on anyone. Yet once I voted, there was an avalanche of votes and C_F was lynched within the hour.
FoS: Alfred FoS: Disrupt_Your_Hymn FoS: AlphaInsidious
Puzzle's #638 is also worth noting - he effectively supports the case against C_F cryptically but without voting himself. This combined with the way he also started the attack on carrion pigeons and then left Alfred to do the hard work is a potentially sly way to stay off the radar. (Not going to FoS him now, though - want to find out if CP is scum first.)
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I see what you saw. However, it may come from Hvir himself just as easily.
That said, I'd like WOLG to quote his PM, because if it is as I think it is, I'll be voting C_F soon and for good (imo) reason, thinking about all this a bit more.
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NO ! It's WOLG the scum !
For f***sake, when will you people learn to think before lynching ?
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The day is apparently over : the mob has speed-lynched (again). Now, we'll see what turns out then.
I may have misunderstood you as claiming the same thing about the 40 posts as Az. If it's not the case and you didn't fully post your PM, then OK, C_F was the right lynch, considering that Beaker had not come with his multi-voter ability before and neither him nor C_F had cast suspicion on you.
Let's see what turns up.
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Vote Carrion Pigeon anyway. Maybe this time we can get it through ? Funny how hard it is compared to the speedlynches on Az and C_F/Beaker (although the later was possibly the right play at the end of the day, it was way too fast and unanimous, once again).
@Puzzle: See, it's much easier for you to point fingers when you just imply you're going to vote, and then things don't turn out the way you expected. Don't try to hide behind this "mob speed-lynched" bit. You were as much a part of this lynch on CF as anyone, in fact, supported it and conceded it was the play to make on the day. You've been much quieter in this game than in most, but frankly, you managed to help pull yesterday's strings with your implication you were going to vote CF.
You were wrong about WoLG, as well, and conveniently, he's dead, so the wagon you would have indirectly started with that comment yesterday won't get into motion. You have to understand the pull you have (see for example that diggy has already voted CP 28 minutes after you suggested to Bat he should vote instead of FoS, with little other comment to add).
When you point someone out as scum, you might as well have condemned them to a death sentence. Pushing the wagon and not joining it? I'm finding your play a little sneaky.
FoS: Puzzle
I'm not going to disagree with you that Carrion Pigeons looks to be the current target for the day, considering how close he was yesterday. However, I'm not going to let you manipulate me into another vote that if it turns up town, we're all going to get blasted for tomorrow.
FoS: Carrion Pigeons
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Anyway, I'm happy to see that you agree with me that CP is the play today. Why not vote him then ?
And before the above question gets directed to me:
Instead, I'd like to go back tonight and so some re-reading and draw my own conclusions. (IRL note: I'm on vacation from work, which is where I usually do most of my posting, so I'll be on less, but I'll still be around)
Before you lot string carrion pigeons up, there's something else I'd like to ask everyone:
Does anyone have any information about or abilities relating to Columbia ? Or indeed any mention of Columbia in their PM for any other reason ?
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Bateleur, I'm going to keep the FOS on you for now but I do recognize your point about the other votes coming after yours, and that yours wasn't the killing blow. However, you're either digging for information from someone, or you've got something. I'm trying to figure out what your intentions with that question are. I'm not going to answer it right now, I'd just like to hear more about it.
I personally just think that Puzzle is being cautious with his votes and bringing up points to discuss, but I would like to point out that if you were the SK or vig, you could've gotten WoLG out of the way if you didn't think your wagon on him was going to work. Either that or our SK/Vig is taking queues from you, both of which are dangerous and not really good plays.
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I already said that I can't say due to the fact that I WILL LOSE MY ABILITY...all I can safely say is that the longer the day drags on, the more I'll be able to help people that can't vote.
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There is no restriction, unless you count "not making myself a target for the mafia by shutting my mouth" a restriction. Wait, I might actually get nightkilled this game...I might have a cunning plan...^_^
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He basically created that PM to lie to us.
Comparing all the known PM's side by side, it seems pretty obvious that the punctuation is not consistent among any of them.
Austria's FOR US doesn't have quotes around it like the others. Pakistan and Afghanistan apparently don't even have the words FOR US in their PMs, let alone a period after them.
Anyway, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised; the town has been bandwagoning like crazy this game. I just hope y'all actually are right this time.
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For some reason "Death by punctuation" Doesn't really suprise me.
Take a look at ALL of the role PMs that were sent out, yes, some of them have a different format, but EVERY ONE has the period after their country's name, even the ones with a different makeup. Why the only claim that came from someone suspicious leave out these two things that were in every other PM?
In regards to me, I heard someone say that I "copied my PM from the first WDM" but this is obviously not true: look at the format of the PM:
See how it's totally different? My PM fits all of the criteria the other PMs do, because it's the real deal. I'm also still almost positive that CP is scum, so please, build a case against me, but I wouldn't expect to find much.
The other country wasn't Afghanistan! You would expect Afghanistan to have some sort of ability wouldn't you? That doesn't really matter because it's not the syntax that is different than all of the others, i.e. everything is in it's right place, however, the message is different with EVERY country.
How many votes does CP have on him?
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BTW, perfect punctuation here (rereads role PM to check).
I have a period after the country name in my PM.
My PM is perfectly punctuated except for dodgy linebreaks. The words 'FOR US' do not appear in my PM.
The bit about "please confirm" coupled with his name was a good pickup, although honestly I think Hvir is just as likely to have copy-pasted and changed the name.
I think the additional comment from Hvir that he quoted is interesting in that the messed-up tag suggests something was edited there. And in any case, comments about additional cruelty to the town suggest scum
That ability strikes me as the scum's way to counteract the town multivoters. I suspect the ability and country name is correct, just not the alignment.
BTW, Hvir, if CF is Singapore, would I be right that Verbal wrote that one?
I just wanted to clarify that.
And, since all known post w/ FOR US.<- have that period, it's pretty safe to assume that he removed an AGAINST US. and inserted his own FOR US<- but forgot the period :(. Poor guy, didn't even have much of a chance. Stupid anal retention...
Also, since he is lynched, are we just waiting for confirmation from H-guy?
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I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone else's claims and revealed PMs have linebreaks appearing in perfectly normal places. Mine do not.
Ah, no, I do see what you're talking about.
Interestingly, the main paragraph of my role PM (if not for all the random extra line breaks mid-sentence, which could come from being copied over from an e-mail program) doesn't have a single line break after a full stop. Alfred's remains the only exposed PM that isn't one big paragraph between the "You are COUNTRYNAME." and the "Please confirm." Most interesting.
Also WOTG, can you answer direct yes or no questions about your ability? If so, do you gain votes based on the posts you make?
Also, sorta weird that we lynched someone based on grammar (if lynch them we did). If they turn out town, I'll probably be sorta suspicious of Bateluer.
That said, it makes sense that either WOLG or CF would be scum, and I'm somewhat confident thta WOLG is town. So I'm okay with the lynch. I guess.
This dayt was crazy, though.
As far as I'm concerned this day is over, so I'm done for the night. H-Guy will be waking up within the next 3-4 hours, so EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET THEIR NIGHT CHOICES READY NOW! Maybe we can be awesome and get the day started early.
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One True Sage - 1 (WellOfLostGnomes)
Beaker/Crippled_Fist - 8 (One_True_Sage, WellOfLostGnomes, diggy, RafaelK, bateleur, Alfred, Disrupt_Your_Hymn, AlphaInsidious)
carrion pigeons - 2 (Puzzle, armlx)
That Which Squeaks - 1 (Disrupt_Your_Hymn)
Alfred - 2 (AlphaInsidious, Twomz)
bateleur - 1 (Rhinocero)
Azrael - 1 (WellOfLostGnomes)
Voting is SEALED. Only the following players may vote:
WellOfLostGnomes
One_True_Sage
Puzzle
armlx
diggy
bateleur
Disrupt_Your_Hymn
Alfred
AlphaInsidious
Twomz
RafaelK
Rhinocero
With 12 total votes, it is now SEVEN to lynch.
EVEN if That Which Squeaks was allowed to vote, it would still be a total of 13 votes, with 7 to lynch.
Ever the stickler for proper punctuation, the other nations put on their Grammar Nazi hats on and eject Crippled_Fist from the UN due to his (apparent) inability to use periods.
Players, send in your night choices.
EDIT: Apologies to Crippled_Fist. I checked back, and Singapore's PM was typed up by my 9-year old neighbour. She spells decently enough, but that punctuation...
AlphaInsidious should have had only 1 vote, which was his latest vote on Crippled_Fist.
Oh, and WellOfLostGnomes is out of the game.
(For the record, please let me state that the repetitive use of 'population' in the role description is jarring, and typing it up was painful.)
In a bizzare turn of events, carrion pigeons' nation has declared that he is to vote for... carrion pigeons?!
*shrug*
Day 3 has begun!
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Not particularly suspicious of him, but I think he might merit a closer look.
Also, lolz at CP voting CP.
Also also, I'm sorta weirded out by the sheer number of multi-voters this game...
Also also also, at Alfred - remember Day One? Yeah, there probably is an SK. Don't know though.
Someone forgetting that we had two kills on night 0?
More later.
Or, it could be that someone has correctly picked the SK two nights in a row, which means somebody knows who the Vig is, and hasn't been hinting/or we just haven't picked up on it.
We have 13 players left, and 3 or 4 of them are probably mafia.
So... for no apparent reason i'll FOS: AlphaInsidious for the main reason that he's not posted very often, and usually just adds to bandwagons. (please correct me if i'm wrong, i have very bad memory, and not the time to check back on the thread) Also, i don't think he's been checked out too much, and we need to check out as many people as possible.
Twomz's Trading thread
C_F thing sucked...it really seemed fishy, because against all the other pm's it didn't match, and i recall this same EXACT thing happening in Battlestar Mafia, but it turned out he did fake it. So that's now too many townies and one flippin' mafia.
I'm amazed that there was two town multi-voters...in fact, it makes me shiver when I think what the mafia might have in their arsenal, especially outnumbered as they are.
Luckily, only one of our roles was hit (inspector) that is commonly considered clutch, although Wolg and Az are huge losses...gotta pick it up town..
-Alpha
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Nothing personal, but i think we need to investigate every player, ASAP.
Twomz's Trading thread
-Alpha
Second of all, you suck, whoever voted for C_F. I actually had some information in my PM that might have made him look better. And you voted him for punctuation?
Anyway, does anyone else have any references to drugs in their role PMs? I have a feeling there might be a theme of some kind regarding who the mafia are, considering that the Netherlands was mafia, what C_F's role said, and what my own PM says.
Anyway, goodnight. I'll probably be able to post again on Friday.
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For the record, my pm does not reference drugs in any way, and CP, you could very well be right about that theme, it makes sense at least.
-Alpha
Puzzle- Yeah, could be, although it felt yesterday like pulling teeth a little to stall the CP wagon (of course, it probably didn't help that I was unsure about doing it; they say that sticking up for people without firm information is a low percentage play in mafia, and it's probably true). I actually felt that the lack of any counters to Alfred before I spoke up was a point in cp's favor. Not one I brought up then, because obviously it's only a point that works for me-who-knows-I'm-not-scum and so is pretty useless to the rest of you, but still. It felt to me like a scum wagon which stalled because no scum was willing to finish it off officially (although CP could have been deadline-lynched at one point without further votes) and in the intervening time it became apparent that it wasn't the world's best wagon. That said, now we KNOW beaker/cf was not scum, it's definitely time to see who was really happy to ram that through.
I certainly wouldn't mind a look at bat, no secret yesterday I was looking at him (especially for trying to have it both ways with saying beaker was most scummy while egging Alfred on with CP), but given that I've messed up the last two days I'm not really planning on spearheading anything else for the time being. Once we've found another mafia I daresay I'll be able to pattern the game together, but I'm really lost right now. I got overexcited yesterday when musashi came up scum, because that validated my theory from day 1 that scum-beaker had been defending scum-musashi.
carrion pigeons - 2 (carrion pigeons, Puzzle)
With 13 players left in the game, it is SEVEN to lynch.
That's where the whole grammar lynch started, which is a bit of a shoestring to lynch someone by. I'm going to really have to hear some explanation from Bateleur, or FOS: Bateleur becomes a vote.
So now I get to look scummy for pointing out the error in the PM. Great. Though in fairness I wasn't the only person who thought that looked dodgy and the presence of the actual error was a stone cold fact.
I hope the players who saved CP's sorry butt will now be suitably contrite about the fact that we now find ourselves at the start of day three with far less information than we might have done had we lynched CP yesterday.
Pointless moping on my part aside, there is some interesting stuff from yesterday. Puzzle makes the point here that we basically had a speed lynch again. This is supremely ironic considering the day was so slow it made me want to chew glass. However, he is right. Look at this:
7:43 bateleur votes Crippled_Fist
7:47 Alfred votes Crippled_Fist
8:14 Disrupt_Your_Hymn votes Crippled_Fist
8:27 AlphaInsidious votes Crippled_Fist
My vote on C_F came more than 24 hours after the previous vote on anyone. Yet once I voted, there was an avalanche of votes and C_F was lynched within the hour.
FoS: Alfred
FoS: Disrupt_Your_Hymn
FoS: AlphaInsidious
Puzzle's #638 is also worth noting - he effectively supports the case against C_F cryptically but without voting himself. This combined with the way he also started the attack on carrion pigeons and then left Alfred to do the hard work is a potentially sly way to stay off the radar. (Not going to FoS him now, though - want to find out if CP is scum first.)
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@Puzzle: See, it's much easier for you to point fingers when you just imply you're going to vote, and then things don't turn out the way you expected. Don't try to hide behind this "mob speed-lynched" bit. You were as much a part of this lynch on CF as anyone, in fact, supported it and conceded it was the play to make on the day. You've been much quieter in this game than in most, but frankly, you managed to help pull yesterday's strings with your implication you were going to vote CF.
You were wrong about WoLG, as well, and conveniently, he's dead, so the wagon you would have indirectly started with that comment yesterday won't get into motion. You have to understand the pull you have (see for example that diggy has already voted CP 28 minutes after you suggested to Bat he should vote instead of FoS, with little other comment to add).
When you point someone out as scum, you might as well have condemned them to a death sentence. Pushing the wagon and not joining it? I'm finding your play a little sneaky.
FoS: Puzzle
I'm not going to disagree with you that Carrion Pigeons looks to be the current target for the day, considering how close he was yesterday. However, I'm not going to let you manipulate me into another vote that if it turns up town, we're all going to get blasted for tomorrow.
FoS: Carrion Pigeons
And before the above question gets directed to me:
Instead, I'd like to go back tonight and so some re-reading and draw my own conclusions. (IRL note: I'm on vacation from work, which is where I usually do most of my posting, so I'll be on less, but I'll still be around)
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carrion pigeons - 3 (carrion pigeons, Puzzle, diggy)
With 13 players left in the game, it is SEVEN to lynch.
Does anyone have any information about or abilities relating to Columbia ? Or indeed any mention of Columbia in their PM for any other reason ?
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I personally just think that Puzzle is being cautious with his votes and bringing up points to discuss, but I would like to point out that if you were the SK or vig, you could've gotten WoLG out of the way if you didn't think your wagon on him was going to work. Either that or our SK/Vig is taking queues from you, both of which are dangerous and not really good plays.