Well, I got really mad last night because these guys I know showed up at the store, and I'm pretty sure they were laughing at me because I work there.
It'd be nice to work somewhere where people...I dunno...respect the employees.
Well, I got really mad last night because these guys I know showed up at the store, and I'm pretty sure they were laughing at me because I work there.
It'd be nice to work somewhere where people...I dunno...respect the employees.
Yeah, I hate people like that >.>. Jobs a job, gotta do what ya gotta do :(.
It's probably for the best that they don't. We wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble like last time.
Why not? I like everyone from the Called :suckup:, they are cool enough :suckup:.
Why not? I like everyone from the Called :suckup:, they are cool enough :suckup:.
HERETIC!
The Called are the Izzet's sworn enemies, ever since the great CotY 2007 (:argh:). That having been said, I don't have problems with any of them, personally. But still, for the rivalry's sake...
Also, Ilvaldi, your proposed options to describe my charachter can be found in my above post. But, I'm sure you meant to quote that in the first place...
Edit: I don't think I formally voted last time I discussed this round (:raise:), so Vote: Zur.
The Called are the Izzet's sworn enemies, ever since the great CotY 2007 (:argh:). That having been said, I don't have problems with any of them, personally. But still, for the rivalry's sake...
Even with the rivarly, I don't have a problem with them :p. Although sometimes I almost post in their thread, but then don't for some reason or another :uhh:.
Psi, you should check the first post. Niv has posted enough to not be put into the portal (~once a month) but he was demoted because we clearly expect more from a High Mage.
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Psi, you should check the first post. Niv has posted enough to not be put into the portal (~once a month) but he was demoted because we clearly expect more from a High Mage.
That's what I thought; I was slightly confused when the Portal came up (and I'll admit, I was too lazy to check for myself... :sweat:).
Also, I sees a lurking Ilvaldi.
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Also, Ilvaldi, your proposed options to describe my charachter can be found in my above post. But, I'm sure you meant to quote that in the first place...
I'm going over your post then and point out the parts where you imply a sense of identity to yourself:
That's just it, a person doesn't need to encompass the entire spectrum of red. Look at, say... Chandra, to keep this recent. Is she compassionate? Yes, as evidenced by her comic. Is she a proponent for "fiery doom"? Yes, she's a task mage. Is she violent? It doesn't seem so (yet). Is she impulsive, rash and eager? I didn't pick that up (although I'm sure there can be arguments made). I only need to have red traits, not all of them. You're beginning to think too far into this... (:toot:)
No not really.
Take for the example the Izzet:
Red= Chaos, Experience-living
Blue= Perfection, Logic-building
The Izzet are neither completely one or the other but partially one and the other. In respect, the Izzet combine experience-living and logic-building while excluding goals towards chaos and perfection to become a color pair that independently alone has its one set of ideals and codices. The Izzet don't pursue perfection (blue) nor freedom (red). They pursue knowledge, creativity, and ingenuity as ends of themselves (unlike red and blue who both use them as tools for something else) which is a compromise of both sides in which neither side would openly accept or exclude completely. Thus, take a look at yourself:
Ravus:
Red= Empathy, Violence
In this case example, you are lacking an essential, necessary, part of being red. Instead, what you've done is that you're taking a trait of red and mixing it with the traits of another color to create an effect similar to what the Izzet have which is a color pair that is independent of the ideals of the mono-colors that make it up.
Personally, I don't know you too well enough to give the arbitrary end-all be-all call, and it isn't my desire to do so. However, based on what I've seen from you insofar, I will intuitively say you're R/B only because you seem to express a sense of pessimistic-the-world-is-a-cruel-and-dark-place-let's-just-kill-things attitude with a reckless sense of there's-no-time-for-regrets behavior. But that's just an opinion--it's just too hard and nigh impossible for someone to say you're something when it can (and intuitively most likely) be the case that you know yourself better than anyone else.
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You seem to have a pretty good handle on me, then. I am not going to dispute that I've got some rather heavy black-aligned tendencies.
Think of it this way, perhaps: I live in a swamp, and that swamp is at the base of a volcanic island. I revel in the swamp, but also have access to the mountain's magic and the sea's. I take on their charachteristics and philosophies as a means to perpetuate, and perhaps disguise, my own nefarious, black ways. I am black(-aligned... if you get a chance to meet me, you'll see I'm one of the whitest-skinned people out there... ^_^;), but value those traits that lie on the fringes of the swamp. Those shared with red and blue. My mindset is a fathomlessly deep web of deceit and violence, all wrapped around a cozy swamp-home.
Once again, from my explanation, you can value a certain methodology, but valuing that methodology does not inherently make you that color unless your desires coincide with that color's desires be it perfection (blue), freedom (red), or the self (black).
Now I'm gonna put a footnote on this one as some people may want to jump to the conclusion and say, "but aren't we all selfish in some way, and don't we all desire freedom, and don't we all want to be perfect?" Yes, this is true, but this wouldn't make us red/black/blue in any case whatsoever. The question in identifying what color you are is not "which color's ideologies coincide with the values that I have as a human being?" but rather "what is the thing that I value the most and which color or color-pairs would coincide with that value the most?"
This question requires deep, heavy thinking as I myself, when I joined this clan, had pointed out that it took me three days without sleeping to come up with a good answer.
Also, I don't really get your example with about living in a swamp on a volcanic island so I'll just respond with this:
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Influences must be taken into account. If the character spends a great deal of time around Black characters, he or she will likely do some things that can be considered selfish or outright Black. This does not make them Black, as they may have been suffering under peer pressure, they may have lost or may be losing sight of morality, he or she may not be entirely aware of what they're doing, or they could perhaps be in the process of reconsidering his or her own views and making a shift into or toward the color. Influences also come from bloodline, race, and occupation. If the character is a Goblin in the Azorius Senate, he or she may be Blue/White, but will likely have a Red influence that will surface in his or her actions, words, responses, or thoughts. Typically when an opposing influence surfaces it serves only to dilute the character's other colors. For example, a Black/Red character with a White influence would be a much more toned down version of a Black/Red character.
Naturally, I would pay more to eat something if I absolutely abhorred the alternative. But since I happen to like Taco Bell and can't afford to eat at Chipotle whenever I would feel like it, it isn't a problem for me.
Dude, I'm only using Taco Bell as a metaphor for something else. Taco Bell is just Taco Bell. It isn't like "Intellectually-Stimulating-Fast-Food Bell."
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Say, what do you do, Ilvaldi? Are you a student?
I'm a freshman who is currently majoring in Philosophy. I eat pie for breakfast, and read Kant over the weekends.:D
Dude, I'm only using Taco Bell as a metaphor for something else. Taco Bell is just Taco Bell. It isn't like "Intellectually-Stimulating-Fast-Food Bell."
I disagree.
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I'm a freshman who is currently majoring in Philosophy. I eat pie for breakfast, and read Kant over the weekends.:D
Pie is good. Kant is odd, and definitely not my style. And the reason I'm not posting very often is that I don't have enough time to read through your massive posts and reply with a suitable reply (weird wording (alliteration!)), 'cause school is still eating my soul.
However, instead of all this nit-picky color / guild dissection going on, I think it's better to look at the spirit of The Izzet as a whole. Becuase honestly, the details don't matter as long as you (mostly) meet the spirit of "Insane, slightly-more-than-slightly-removed-from-the-real-world scientist with an unhealthy addiction to knowledge, fire, explosions, and flaming, exploding goblins." But I guess the details do matter when dealing with only colors. But then again, I don't really know what this current discussion is about, so...
However, based on what I've seen from you insofar, I will intuitively say you're R/B only because you seem to express a sense of pessimistic-the-world-is-a-cruel-and-dark-place-let's-just-kill-things attitude with a reckless sense of there's-no-time-for-regrets behavior.
Hmm... then perhaps you are interpreting my posting inaccurately, or my webs of deceit have reached the internet...
I've been called a pessimist, and to be honest, I'd consider myself one. But not because I fear the world's end, and nor do I intend to "kill all things". No, what I'm calling "violence" is actually just combat, physical engagement of a more violent nature. For me it is a game. Under the textbook denotation of "violence", I suppose I'm not so much. I fight for fun, entertainment, betterment. Others interpret it as "Ravus' violent nature", and I go along with it (the best way to ♥♥♥♥ with someone's head is to tell them exactly what they want to hear... :evillol:).
And my "no-time-for-regrets attitude" stems not from haste, but rather my own philosophical searchings and discoveries. A life lived in the shadow of regret is a wasted life.
But this conversation is departing the realm of "Izzet ideology", and perhaps we should take it up elsewhere... debate, perhaps? No need to waste more Izzet thread.
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...you know yourself better than anyone else.
I most certainly hope so... (Psi, get off my lawn or I'll smash those binoculars!)
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Once again, from my explanation, you can value a certain methodology, but valuing that methodology does not inherently make you that color unless your desires coincide with that color's desires be it perfection (blue), freedom (red), or the self (black).
By this definition, I am not black in the least. I don't mind my sense of self, and am not greedy (well, I am, but not in terms of power and blah, blah, whathaveyou), and would rather have the freedom to seek perfection. Taking the journey is in itself a reward, as the goal is all but unattainable.
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...but rather "what is the thing that I value the most and which color or color-pairs would coincide with that value the most?"
Ah, and the cycle begins anew. Under that definition, I'm most definitely UR (notice, not :symur:). With a heavy influence of B:
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Dude, I'm only using Taco Bell as a metaphor for something else. Taco Bell is just Taco Bell. It isn't like "Intellectually-Stimulating-Fast-Food Bell."
Don't pay AI any attention. He likes Taco Bell. He likes giving the new guys (and his seniors... :argh:) hell. I'm mostly surprised that I haven't yet...
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I'm a freshman who is currently majoring in Philosophy. I eat pie for breakfast, and read Kant over the weekends.:D
I gathered as much. I'm not schooling for philosophy, but the bujutsu all but require some contemplation...
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Like I said, you most likely know yourself better than anyone else, so I'm not gonna bother critiquing you nor is it my case to do so.
@ anyone who says that all Izzets are insane:
Not all Izzets are insane, we just break the mold of convention and do things that may seem weird to society yet logically make sense. Society is insane with all these morals and precepts that are completely unfounded by thereof.
It is the people like the general public who take things for granted without evaluating the validity or soundness of them who are insane for the Izzet. Remember, if this were the 1860s, Abolitionists would be considered insane by southern (and some northern) bigots (not slave owners as it is not the case that all owners have cruel intentions but rather intentions of necessity).
If this was during Charles Darwin's time, evolutionists would be insane.
Even in this generation, for example take a look at this:
1) It is wrong to kill human beings
2) Fetuses are human beings
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3) Therefore, it is wrong to kill human beings
This argument is NOT the argument that a real anti-abortion Izzet would go by. To the common thinker, yes this makes sense. But for any Izzet who would want to investigate the matter further, feeling that this argument may be flawed, they would logically discover that it is:
Statement 1 defines "human beings" as persons or people who are part of the moral community while statement 2 uses "human beings" as beings who have a genetic similarity to the human race, thus excluding any other sentient being who would not be human. These two definitions are inconsistent with one another and thus makes this a fallacious argument of equivocation.
An Izzet would go about a different way at answering this if they are against abortion. They simply just don't stick to conventional thought.
If anything, the proper labeling that people should give the Izzet is not "insane" but rather just "very open minded" about things to the point where some people (sometimes I myself) would not be able to understand how the hell some Izzets come up with their conclusions.
Also:
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How are the [Called] [The Izzet]'s rivals? What happened in CotY 2007?
Round 3 begins here.
Seems all of our contestants are rabid Neil Gaiman fans, + they were all pretty excited when Neil's thrice-award-winning fantasy/horror novella Coraline was released as a stop-motion flick this year. Piling into the theatre, they waited with barely-contained enthusiasm for the lights to dim. . .
Now, while Coraline was written with a younger audience in mind, it doesn't try to pull its punch or talk down to its target reader, + there are those who would argue it's a bit too scary for the kids it is meant for. . . + unfortunately, it would seem one of our contestants just wasn't mentally prepared for trials Coraline must face + they totally pissed themselves. Who was it?
Deadline is again set to before-it's-Saturday, February 28th Alaska Standard Time.
There's a dogpile going on with Nyxathid. I don't get it. Seems to be half-vengeance against clan mono-B, half trying to be super ironic. Neither of which I am a huge fan of.
My vote is for Shadowmage infiltrator. I mean, "fear" is listed as one of its characteristics.
Yes, I know that's not the flavor of how fear works, but it has always irked me that the common sense of the term for fear would be something like "cannot block," and evasion based on terribleness should be named "gruesome" or "frightening," not "fear."
We're not insane; we're complicated.
And contradictory.
I agree with complication. Yes, good word. Contradictory? I don't know. People are good at contradicting themselves more than they know. It's pointless I think to say that's only Izzet exclusive lest we make ourselves blatant about it a lot more.
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There's a dogpile going on with Nyxathid. I don't get it. Seems to be half-vengeance against clan mono-B, half trying to be super ironic. Neither of which I am a huge fan of.
My vote is for Shadowmage infiltrator. I mean, "fear" is listed as one of its characteristics.
Yes, I know that's not the flavor of how fear works, but it has always irked me that the common sense of the term for fear would be something like "cannot block," and evasion based on terribleness should be named "gruesome" or "frightening," not "fear."
You could think of "fear," in the sense of Batman. He's afraid of bats but he uses this fear as an advantage and improvises his weaknesses to create a strength where the fear has now masked him into a super-human being in the art ninja-ness.
As is the case, fear is the path of the darkside.
I think it would be irrational to vote against Nyxathid. That thing doesn't look like it could even feel fear. If that thing was in Coraline, it would thrive in the story rather than run away pissing in its pants.
:birthday:But like I said, I would go with either Shadowmage Infiltrator or Dark Confidant considering that those two look like wimps who don't really have the balls to get their eyes sewn up or the creative skills to get out of that mess. Dark Confidant more definitely so than Shadowmage Infiltrator though just because Shadowmage can at least sneak out. Confidant just reminds me of a REALLY stereotypical (more typical than stereotypical) lobbyist ack!
Also, I really want a new sig, but there are just too many things I like to be able to fit it all into one and not look like ass. Short List: Magic (duh), Anime, New England Patriots, and Science Fiction Cinema (Especially the Matrix).
If you get something approaching a direction with what you want your sig to be, hit me up and I'll make you one. Not that you have to, but I'm willing and will probably spend more time on it than a shop. Or do you do your own 'shopping? I don't remember...
That would make Arcane Babblings strictly inferior, and is poorly 'shopped! I call FAKE!
Also, change your sig...
Edit: Seriously, though. I'd go for High Mage of the Esoteric Disco, just for continuity.
lol Ha!
And I think the two fields are different enough.
Congrats to Weaver, too on the promotion!
@the contest: yes, I get that Jaya isn't black, but really I don't see her pissing herself. There are far scrawnier and wimpier characters to choose from IMO, even if they are black. Besides, black creatures tend to get very scared when they're getting strapped to the sacrificial tables.
@the contest: yes, I get that Jaya isn't black, but really I don't see her pissing herself. There are far scrawnier and wimpier characters to choose from IMO, even if they are black. Besides, black creatures tend to get very scared when they're getting strapped to the sacrificial tables.
Jaya does seem like the best candidate by technicality, but I want to point out that, flavorfully, she'd be probably one the best candidates to improvise an explosive exit out that mess. Shadowmage Infiltrator and Dark Confidant don't look like much of contenders at all. Shadowmage may be able to invisible cloak away from it all, but I think Confidant would totally get screwed if he got stuck there. Chances are though, neither of those two would even get stuck in those situations as they're black, and black tends to try and avoid getting itself in life-threatening, ego-altering conflicts.
You could think of "fear," in the sense of Batman. He's afraid of bats but he uses this fear as an advantage and improvises his weaknesses to create a strength where the fear has now masked him into a super-human being in the art ninja-ness.
As is the case, fear is the path of the darkside.
I think it would be irrational to vote against Nyxathid. That thing doesn't look like it could even feel fear. If that thing was in Coraline, it would thrive in the story rather than run away pissing in its pants.
:birthday:But like I said, I would go with either Shadowmage Infiltrator or Dark Confidant considering that those two look like wimps who don't really have the balls to get their eyes sewn up or the creative skills to get out of that mess. Dark Confidant more definitely so than Shadowmage Infiltrator though just because Shadowmage can at least sneak out. Confidant just reminds me of a REALLY stereotypical (more typical than stereotypical) lobbyist ack!
I concur with you: Jaya should not be on the vote.
We're not insane; we're complicated.
And contradictory.
Anyway, CAN IT BE CLAN CONTEST TIEM?
There's a dogpile going on with Nyxathid. I don't get it. Seems to be half-vengeance against clan mono-B, half trying to be super ironic. Neither of which I am a huge fan of.
My vote is for Shadowmage infiltrator. I mean, "fear" is listed as one of its characteristics.
Yes, I know that's not the flavor of how fear works, but it has always irked me that the common sense of the term for fear would be something like "cannot block," and evasion based on terribleness should be named "gruesome" or "frightening," not "fear."
Nyxathhid is just plain nuts, its a win-more card with decks that know how to build around it, and abuse the whole "Hand Destruction" Thing.
anyway, because the above post probably made no sense what so ever:
My reasoning is pretty simple, I picked up a friends version of Dark Zoo earlier to help him fix it up, mind you, this is Dark Zoo without Bob.
And Guess what? I added him, and stomped every deck but one that I played(including my own)
so Ive been testing on my buddies mws different decks that run black or splash for it, and Every single one I played was significantly better because of card advantage alone.
I read 115 pages a ♥♥♥♥ing hour, and even I cant read your posts.
Maybe its the fact that I never deal with philosophers.....:p
And while you may not like taco bell(im a fat guy, food convo sticks out...), it is both cheap and filling to a person with limited income and a SERIOUS case of the munchies.
i will agree that it will never, EVER, beat real mexican food, but when youre stoned, do you honestly think youd care
NOTE: If you answer, "yes" to the question above(^This^), you have never had no $$$ because you bought some banging ass trees, and gotten a serious case of the munchies.
So lets see, news in the land of Weaver's Schizo delusions: I still have no house, Jess isnt mentally ready to leave her IPU, and the Company Pods, which is near where Im staying, has had a massive break-in, and the majority of my expensive ♥♥♥♥ has been stolen. so when I decide to buy a new house, i will need all new clothes, furniture, Tv's, kitchen appliances, 360(it was an Elite too....) and the games to go with it....
Good thing all my magic Cards werent there or Id be out more money than what I already lost(my collection could buy my new house...)
My reasoning is pretty simple, I picked up a friends version of Dark Zoo earlier to help him fix it up, mind you, this is Dark Zoo without Bob.
And Guess what? I added him, and stomped every deck but one that I played(including my own)
so Ive been testing on my buddies mws different decks that run black or splash for it, and Every single one I played was significantly better because of card advantage alone.
Like Ivaldi, I'm fine with voting for Bob or for Finkel. But this round's criterion is about who would wet themselves when seeing Coraline.
* wamyc is confused because we aren't trying to eliminate powerful cards...
I read 115 pages a ♥♥♥♥ing hour, and even I cant read your posts.
Maybe its the fact that I never deal with philosophers.....:p
Heck, I am a philosopher! It's fine that you're wordy Ivalid, just don't be wody and expect everyone to read every word. That would be have cake + have eaten cake.
* wamyc is now hungry again.
* wamyc goes to search for food
Premptive edit: doesn't it seem like this heart-censor thing would be the result of someone raiding the site?
This whole clan contest thing is very interesting... I have to say it does seem like Zur is the most likely to piss himself. None of the options seem to scare too easily, so he wins on that criteria.
Great, that puts us in something of a four way tie. Because its close I'll track votes directly, and - I'm calling run-off time! Which of these cards should we NOT vote for? Remember, we're voting for the card that is the most likely to be scared and pee itself while seeing Coraline.
I put a big NO on finkel. He isn't afraid of getting blocked, they're too afraid to block him, as has been noted. In fact, we should start a petition to rename "fear" to "frightening."
Also, how can you say Johnny Magic has a weak bladder and/or no COJONES?
Question: Are voting alliances against the rules or simply heavily frowned upon?EDIT: Scratch that even if it is legal; dead clans can vote the whole time.
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Like Ivaldi, I'm fine with voting for Bob or for Finkel. But this round's criterion is about who would wet themselves when seeing Coraline.
* wamyc is confused because we aren't trying to eliminate powerful cards...
Heck, I am a philosopher! It's fine that you're wordy Ivalid, just don't be wody and expect everyone to read every word. That would be have cake + have eaten cake.
* wamyc is now hungry again.
* wamyc goes to search for food
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I ♥♥♥♥ you
I think it comes down to the fact that you are a philosopher who chooses his words wisely...
I have no problem with philosophical discussion, but when you make ME not want to read it, you have a problem.
I hate to admit this, but I miss the days of AI's comments about "Equipment Adjusting" and "Public Masturbation"
I think if I was less stressed out, I would enjoy Invaldi's novels, but that doesnt seem to be changing anytime soon, if it does, ill gladly read the entire things and voice my opinion.
Great, that puts us in something of a four way tie. Because its close I'll track votes directly, and - I'm calling run-off time! Which of these cards should we NOT vote for? Remember, we're voting for the card that is the most likely to be scared and pee itself while seeing Coraline.
See, I dont waste my time reading Quietman Ramblings, so I saw the reference to Coraline, and skimmed....whoops.
so:
Bob: Would Generate some much Card Advantage, Coraline would have a ♥♥♥♥ing Coronary....
Finkel: If Chuck Norris is afraid of Finkel, why the hell shouldnt a Stop Motion Character?
Jaya: Shes HOTT! and her sexual energy that radiates off of her would melt any man in any Plane of existence, EVER. So what does that tell you about clay figures?
Jaya Ballard is the only Person in existence that could make a drink based around Tim Burton. Though it wouldnt be a hit, the "BurtonTini" would be a hot Gloppy mess of clay, Gin, and Vermouthe, that would be so hot your Insides would Liquify....
This ^: a saaaaad attempt at a Joke to brighten my spirits....
Unvote: Bob
Vote: Zur, hes a ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥....end of story. His Flavor text should say: "At end of turn, Hang yourself for playing this pathetic creature...."
ok Im done now....Man! I feel better....:rolleyes:
Well, I got really mad last night because these guys I know showed up at the store, and I'm pretty sure they were laughing at me because I work there.
It'd be nice to work somewhere where people...I dunno...respect the employees.
It's probably for the best that they don't. We wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble like last time.
EDIT: Also, I'm changing my vote for the clan contest.
Unvote: Jaya Ballard, Task Mage.
Vote: Zur the Enchanter.
Reasoning:
Yeah, I hate people like that >.>. Jobs a job, gotta do what ya gotta do :(.
Why not? I like everyone from the Called :suckup:, they are cool enough :suckup:.
HERETIC!
The Called are the Izzet's sworn enemies, ever since the great CotY 2007 (:argh:). That having been said, I don't have problems with any of them, personally. But still, for the rivalry's sake...
Also, Ilvaldi, your proposed options to describe my charachter can be found in my above post. But, I'm sure you meant to quote that in the first place...
Edit: I don't think I formally voted last time I discussed this round (:raise:), so Vote: Zur.
Even with the rivarly, I don't have a problem with them :p. Although sometimes I almost post in their thread, but then don't for some reason or another :uhh:.
That's an age-old enchantment that rianalnn has set up... We seem to have an agreement...
Edit: Also, what do we do now that Niv's shown up? Still demote his sorry ass?
No enchantment controls me!
He's already been cast into the Erratic portal.
Oh, nevermind my nonsensical musings, then...
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That's what I thought; I was slightly confused when the Portal came up (and I'll admit, I was too lazy to check for myself... :sweat:).
Also, I sees a lurking Ilvaldi.
I'm going over your post then and point out the parts where you imply a sense of identity to yourself:
No not really.
Take for the example the Izzet:
Red= Chaos, Experience-living
Blue= Perfection, Logic-building
The Izzet are neither completely one or the other but partially one and the other. In respect, the Izzet combine experience-living and logic-building while excluding goals towards chaos and perfection to become a color pair that independently alone has its one set of ideals and codices. The Izzet don't pursue perfection (blue) nor freedom (red). They pursue knowledge, creativity, and ingenuity as ends of themselves (unlike red and blue who both use them as tools for something else) which is a compromise of both sides in which neither side would openly accept or exclude completely. Thus, take a look at yourself:
Ravus:
Red= Empathy, Violence
In this case example, you are lacking an essential, necessary, part of being red. Instead, what you've done is that you're taking a trait of red and mixing it with the traits of another color to create an effect similar to what the Izzet have which is a color pair that is independent of the ideals of the mono-colors that make it up.
Personally, I don't know you too well enough to give the arbitrary end-all be-all call, and it isn't my desire to do so. However, based on what I've seen from you insofar, I will intuitively say you're R/B only because you seem to express a sense of pessimistic-the-world-is-a-cruel-and-dark-place-let's-just-kill-things attitude with a reckless sense of there's-no-time-for-regrets behavior. But that's just an opinion--it's just too hard and nigh impossible for someone to say you're something when it can (and intuitively most likely) be the case that you know yourself better than anyone else.
Once again, from my explanation, you can value a certain methodology, but valuing that methodology does not inherently make you that color unless your desires coincide with that color's desires be it perfection (blue), freedom (red), or the self (black).
Now I'm gonna put a footnote on this one as some people may want to jump to the conclusion and say, "but aren't we all selfish in some way, and don't we all desire freedom, and don't we all want to be perfect?" Yes, this is true, but this wouldn't make us red/black/blue in any case whatsoever. The question in identifying what color you are is not "which color's ideologies coincide with the values that I have as a human being?" but rather "what is the thing that I value the most and which color or color-pairs would coincide with that value the most?"
This question requires deep, heavy thinking as I myself, when I joined this clan, had pointed out that it took me three days without sleeping to come up with a good answer.
Also, I don't really get your example with about living in a swamp on a volcanic island so I'll just respond with this:
You wanna trade then?
Dude, I'm only using Taco Bell as a metaphor for something else. Taco Bell is just Taco Bell. It isn't like "Intellectually-Stimulating-Fast-Food Bell."
I'm a freshman who is currently majoring in Philosophy. I eat pie for breakfast, and read Kant over the weekends.:D
I disagree.
Pie is good. Kant is odd, and definitely not my style. And the reason I'm not posting very often is that I don't have enough time to read through your massive posts and reply with a suitable reply (weird wording (alliteration!)), 'cause school is still eating my soul.
However, instead of all this nit-picky color / guild dissection going on, I think it's better to look at the spirit of The Izzet as a whole. Becuase honestly, the details don't matter as long as you (mostly) meet the spirit of "Insane, slightly-more-than-slightly-removed-from-the-real-world scientist with an unhealthy addiction to knowledge, fire, explosions, and flaming, exploding goblins." But I guess the details do matter when dealing with only colors. But then again, I don't really know what this current discussion is about, so...
Whatever. I need nap.
Hmm... then perhaps you are interpreting my posting inaccurately, or my webs of deceit have reached the internet...
I've been called a pessimist, and to be honest, I'd consider myself one. But not because I fear the world's end, and nor do I intend to "kill all things". No, what I'm calling "violence" is actually just combat, physical engagement of a more violent nature. For me it is a game. Under the textbook denotation of "violence", I suppose I'm not so much. I fight for fun, entertainment, betterment. Others interpret it as "Ravus' violent nature", and I go along with it (the best way to ♥♥♥♥ with someone's head is to tell them exactly what they want to hear... :evillol:).
And my "no-time-for-regrets attitude" stems not from haste, but rather my own philosophical searchings and discoveries. A life lived in the shadow of regret is a wasted life.
But this conversation is departing the realm of "Izzet ideology", and perhaps we should take it up elsewhere... debate, perhaps? No need to waste more Izzet thread.
I most certainly hope so... (Psi, get off my lawn or I'll smash those binoculars!)
By this definition, I am not black in the least. I don't mind my sense of self, and am not greedy (well, I am, but not in terms of power and blah, blah, whathaveyou), and would rather have the freedom to seek perfection. Taking the journey is in itself a reward, as the goal is all but unattainable.
Ah, and the cycle begins anew. Under that definition, I'm most definitely UR (notice, not :symur:). With a heavy influence of B:
Don't pay AI any attention. He likes Taco Bell. He likes giving the new guys (and his seniors... :argh:) hell. I'm mostly surprised that I haven't yet...
I gathered as much. I'm not schooling for philosophy, but the bujutsu all but require some contemplation...
Like I said, you most likely know yourself better than anyone else, so I'm not gonna bother critiquing you nor is it my case to do so.
@ anyone who says that all Izzets are insane:
Not all Izzets are insane, we just break the mold of convention and do things that may seem weird to society yet logically make sense. Society is insane with all these morals and precepts that are completely unfounded by thereof.
It is the people like the general public who take things for granted without evaluating the validity or soundness of them who are insane for the Izzet. Remember, if this were the 1860s, Abolitionists would be considered insane by southern (and some northern) bigots (not slave owners as it is not the case that all owners have cruel intentions but rather intentions of necessity).
If this was during Charles Darwin's time, evolutionists would be insane.
Even in this generation, for example take a look at this:
1) It is wrong to kill human beings
2) Fetuses are human beings
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3) Therefore, it is wrong to kill human beings
This argument is NOT the argument that a real anti-abortion Izzet would go by. To the common thinker, yes this makes sense. But for any Izzet who would want to investigate the matter further, feeling that this argument may be flawed, they would logically discover that it is:
Statement 1 defines "human beings" as persons or people who are part of the moral community while statement 2 uses "human beings" as beings who have a genetic similarity to the human race, thus excluding any other sentient being who would not be human. These two definitions are inconsistent with one another and thus makes this a fallacious argument of equivocation.
An Izzet would go about a different way at answering this if they are against abortion. They simply just don't stick to conventional thought.
If anything, the proper labeling that people should give the Izzet is not "insane" but rather just "very open minded" about things to the point where some people (sometimes I myself) would not be able to understand how the hell some Izzets come up with their conclusions.
Also:
How are the [Called] [The Izzet]'s rivals? What happened in CotY 2007?
And contradictory.
Anyway, CAN IT BE CLAN CONTEST TIEM?
There's a dogpile going on with Nyxathid. I don't get it. Seems to be half-vengeance against clan mono-B, half trying to be super ironic. Neither of which I am a huge fan of.
My vote is for Shadowmage infiltrator. I mean, "fear" is listed as one of its characteristics.
Yes, I know that's not the flavor of how fear works, but it has always irked me that the common sense of the term for fear would be something like "cannot block," and evasion based on terribleness should be named "gruesome" or "frightening," not "fear."
I agree with complication. Yes, good word. Contradictory? I don't know. People are good at contradicting themselves more than they know. It's pointless I think to say that's only Izzet exclusive lest we make ourselves blatant about it a lot more.
You could think of "fear," in the sense of Batman. He's afraid of bats but he uses this fear as an advantage and improvises his weaknesses to create a strength where the fear has now masked him into a super-human being in the art ninja-ness.
As is the case, fear is the path of the darkside.
I think it would be irrational to vote against Nyxathid. That thing doesn't look like it could even feel fear. If that thing was in Coraline, it would thrive in the story rather than run away pissing in its pants.
:birthday:But like I said, I would go with either Shadowmage Infiltrator or Dark Confidant considering that those two look like wimps who don't really have the balls to get their eyes sewn up or the creative skills to get out of that mess. Dark Confidant more definitely so than Shadowmage Infiltrator though just because Shadowmage can at least sneak out. Confidant just reminds me of a REALLY stereotypical (more typical than stereotypical) lobbyist ack!
If you get something approaching a direction with what you want your sig to be, hit me up and I'll make you one. Not that you have to, but I'm willing and will probably spend more time on it than a shop. Or do you do your own 'shopping? I don't remember...
EDIT: bolded for your skimming habits.:p
Spoiler tags, maybe?
At least for posts that are as long as the rest of the page perhaps?
lol Ha!
And I think the two fields are different enough.
Congrats to Weaver, too on the promotion!
@the contest: yes, I get that Jaya isn't black, but really I don't see her pissing herself. There are far scrawnier and wimpier characters to choose from IMO, even if they are black. Besides, black creatures tend to get very scared when they're getting strapped to the sacrificial tables.
*Ahem*
From this post:
And from this post:
I concur with you: Jaya should not be on the vote.
Are you ignoring me?
Which are looooong.
Sometimes I'm in the mood for verbosity. Sometimes not.
Still, we agree about Jaya not being a wimp.
Nyxathhid is just plain nuts, its a win-more card with decks that know how to build around it, and abuse the whole "Hand Destruction" Thing.
anyway, because the above post probably made no sense what so ever:
Unvote: Jaya Ballard
Vote: Bob
My reasoning is pretty simple, I picked up a friends version of Dark Zoo earlier to help him fix it up, mind you, this is Dark Zoo without Bob.
And Guess what? I added him, and stomped every deck but one that I played(including my own)
so Ive been testing on my buddies mws different decks that run black or splash for it, and Every single one I played was significantly better because of card advantage alone.
Yes.
I read 115 pages a ♥♥♥♥ing hour, and even I cant read your posts.
Maybe its the fact that I never deal with philosophers.....:p
And while you may not like taco bell(im a fat guy, food convo sticks out...), it is both cheap and filling to a person with limited income and a SERIOUS case of the munchies.
i will agree that it will never, EVER, beat real mexican food, but when youre stoned, do you honestly think youd care
NOTE: If you answer, "yes" to the question above(^This^), you have never had no $$$ because you bought some banging ass trees, and gotten a serious case of the munchies.
So lets see, news in the land of Weaver's Schizo delusions: I still have no house, Jess isnt mentally ready to leave her IPU, and the Company Pods, which is near where Im staying, has had a massive break-in, and the majority of my expensive ♥♥♥♥ has been stolen. so when I decide to buy a new house, i will need all new clothes, furniture, Tv's, kitchen appliances, 360(it was an Elite too....) and the games to go with it....
Good thing all my magic Cards werent there or Id be out more money than what I already lost(my collection could buy my new house...)
Fun is...
Like Ivaldi, I'm fine with voting for Bob or for Finkel. But this round's criterion is about who would wet themselves when seeing Coraline.
* wamyc is confused because we aren't trying to eliminate powerful cards...
Heck, I am a philosopher! It's fine that you're wordy Ivalid, just don't be wody and expect everyone to read every word. That would be have cake + have eaten cake.
* wamyc is now hungry again.
* wamyc goes to search for food
Premptive edit: doesn't it seem like this heart-censor thing would be the result of someone raiding the site?
I ♥♥♥♥ you
Yea, I vote forZur the Enchanter.
Sales Thread
Two votes eliminates a card.
Zur
Bob
Finkel
Hot Stuff 1 (wamyc)
For me, NOT Jaya. She's made of sterner stuff.
I guess Zur is a panzy...
Vote: Finkel (lul, Fear AND Drawing!? Insanity!)
Semi-Retired EDH: Saffi Infinite Combo | Grenzo Mono-Red Aggro
Modern: Shamanism
Thread | CubeTutor :Jank Cube
Also, how can you say Johnny Magic has a weak bladder and/or no COJONES?
EDIT: Scratch that even if it is legal; dead clans can vote the whole time.Question: Are voting alliances against the rules or simply heavily frowned upon?
Sales Thread
I think it comes down to the fact that you are a philosopher who chooses his words wisely...
I have no problem with philosophical discussion, but when you make ME not want to read it, you have a problem.
I hate to admit this, but I miss the days of AI's comments about "Equipment Adjusting" and "Public Masturbation"
I think if I was less stressed out, I would enjoy Invaldi's novels, but that doesnt seem to be changing anytime soon, if it does, ill gladly read the entire things and voice my opinion.
See, I dont waste my time reading Quietman Ramblings, so I saw the reference to Coraline, and skimmed....whoops.
so:
Bob: Would Generate some much Card Advantage, Coraline would have a ♥♥♥♥ing Coronary....
Finkel: If Chuck Norris is afraid of Finkel, why the hell shouldnt a Stop Motion Character?
Jaya: Shes HOTT! and her sexual energy that radiates off of her would melt any man in any Plane of existence, EVER. So what does that tell you about clay figures?
Jaya Ballard is the only Person in existence that could make a drink based around Tim Burton. Though it wouldnt be a hit, the "BurtonTini" would be a hot Gloppy mess of clay, Gin, and Vermouthe, that would be so hot your Insides would Liquify....
This ^: a saaaaad attempt at a Joke to brighten my spirits....
Unvote: Bob
Vote: Zur, hes a ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥....end of story. His Flavor text should say: "At end of turn, Hang yourself for playing this pathetic creature...."
ok Im done now....Man! I feel better....:rolleyes: