Girl-boyfriend. Best of both worlds? Like a portomanteau? I thought it was cute...
The one way for a bi person to actually be bi, since otherwise bi people are obviously all attention *****s/fakers and/or ****s that will **** anything that moves.
Hey there queers and queer-affiliates, I haven't been around for a while, but I have a social issue question to ask y'all...
To be honest, it looks like a bunch of flame warriors doing what people do on the internet; carefully constructing their response to look vaguely non-provocative, but carefully designed so that it could be taken the wrong way, then, by mutual if silent consent, everyone takes each statement the worst possible way. Everyone gets to get huffy and indignant, which is the point, but the truth is lost. This is what should've transpired;
"Don't forget teh gays."
"Oh, yeah, them too. The point is the same."
And it'd be done.
There was one interesting thing about the article, which is that it states Magic is a great way of making friends. I find, as the people responding found, that this is of limited truth. I've made some great friends through Magic, but I find that doing so requires a commitment that most people don't make and that most think would lead to the opposite result; go "Spike". I really find that only in the top levels of strategy and ruthless, relentlessly honest critique and playtesting do you meet really solid, honest, intelligent and likable people on a reliable basis. Casual players tend not to have much to bond over and are largely all masteurbating over their own theme decks, and quasi-competitive players tend to be emotionally retarded, recluse jerks, homophobes and chauvenists shunted off from more socially mainstream forms of nerdery. But hang out at a Pro Tour, or day 2 of a Grand Prix, or just find some die-hard competitive Magic players, and you tend to find people that are really great human beings, if you can get past being emotionally wounded that someone said your Elf-Staff deck wasn't viable.
To be honest, it looks like a bunch of flame warriors doing what people do on the internet; carefully constructing their response to look vaguely non-provocative, but carefully designed so that it could be taken the wrong way, then, by mutual if silent consent, everyone takes each statement the worst possible way. Everyone gets to get huffy and indignant, which is the point, but the truth is lost. This is what should've transpired;
"Don't forget teh gays."
"Oh, yeah, them too. The point is the same."
I couldn't have put it any better myself. Just because the homosexual community isn't mentioned does NOT make it an intentional slight. Hell, most people, I would imagine, don't even think about us, save for when it becomes relevant to them. I admit freely that I'm guilty of the opposite. It doesn't mean I'm slighting the straights in any way, it just means they aren't part of my general thought processes as that lifestyle holds no bearing on me. End statement.
Girl-boyfriend. Best of both worlds? Like a portomanteau? I thought it was cute...
The one way for a bi person to actually be bi, since otherwise bi people are obviously all attention *****s/fakers and/or ****s that will **** anything that moves.
Hey hey now, My GF and I are bi, but not for any of those reasons. We both find both genders attractive and have been with both. We are far from the people who claim to be bi just cause they want to be different or get attention from others.
Well, that is a common assumtion of biseual people. That we are attention *****s, confused, greedy, whatever. This falshood is even assumed a great deal in the queer community.
We went over the stereotypes of bi people a few months ago. Of course the stereotypes are still there and no less tiresome. Most people don't seem to quite believe that I'm bi since I got married and had a kid. Apparently being bi implies a lack of interest in long term commitment or having children. The logic there escapes me, but whatever. The only way I can see to really convince people that you are bi would be to **** everything that moves, which would also make you a ****. I fail to see why the two should be considered mutually inclusive.
To be honest, it looks like a bunch of flame warriors doing what people do on the internet; carefully constructing their response to look vaguely non-provocative, but carefully designed so that it could be taken the wrong way, then, by mutual if silent consent, everyone takes each statement the worst possible way. Everyone gets to get huffy and indignant, which is the point, but the truth is lost. This is what should've transpired;
"Don't forget teh gays."
"Oh, yeah, them too. The point is the same."
And it'd be done.
Pretty much. Anytime you write something targeting a large audience, you make alot assumptions. I don't feel alienated everytime I read an article that doesn't specifically mention Little People, redheads, Germans, etc. I think political correctness has gotten way out of hand, you just have to let that stuff go.
"My girlfriend used to be bi"
"Used to be?"
"Well she is dating me now so she is straight"
"I am pretty sure that being in a relationship with you did not stop her from being attracted to girls"
"No shes straight"
"She is probably attracted to other guys sometimes right?"
"Well yeah, shes not dead"
"And being in a relationship with you didn't end that?"
"Of course not, don't be silly"
"But dating you made her no loner attracted to girls?"
"She is straight"
"...."
Pretty much. Anytime you write something targeting a large audience, you make alot assumptions. I don't feel alienated everytime I read an article that doesn't specifically mention Little People, redheads, Germans, etc. I think political correctness has gotten way out of hand, you just have to let that stuff go.
A little German redhead
I don't want to downplay the way our culture ignores gay people, but I would like to add here that people say "Merry Christmas" without the slightest idea what religion you are. It's annoying. Unfortunately it's also a fact of life.
Yeah but Christmas is hardly a christian religeon anymore. If you ignore the Christian aspects (birth of christ), the rest is all just fun celebration. It grew out of pre-christian festivals. I am not Christian, far from it. I still love and happily celebrate christmas. Just don't put a manger on your lawn and have some fun. I gurantee you, 90% of the people wishing you a merry christmas aren't even thinking about Christ's Birthday.
"My girlfriend used to be bi"
"Used to be?"
"Well she is dating me now so she is straight"
"I am pretty sure that being in a relationship with you did not stop her from being attracted to girls"
"No shes straight"
"She is probably attracted to other guys sometimes right?"
"Well yeah, shes not dead"
"And being in a relationship with you didn't end that?"
"Of course not, don't be silly"
"But dating you made her no loner attracted to girls?"
"She is straight"
"...."
Paraphrased roughly from memory.
It's strange how alien the idea of bisexuality is to some people. I consider it a huge sign of how much the queer movement has completely failed to change the way people think, instead just basically selling the idea that LG people (but not so much BT) are "just like" straight people.
Also, I celebrate Christmas, and I'm Jewish, although I grew up in a Christian household. But it's really not particularly Christian so much as Western.
Christmas as lost almost all of it's religious signifigance to about 90% or religious people. It's kind of sad. My family celebrates Christmas, and I'm the only one in my family that's been to church or even opened up the Bible this decade. :woah: So, yeah, you don't have to be Christian to celebrate Christmas anymore.
Yeah but Christmas is hardly a christian religeon anymore. If you ignore the Christian aspects (birth of christ), the rest is all just fun celebration. It grew out of pre-christian festivals.
You can make the same argument about some sexist language. For example, the word "mankind" can be used by someone without their being sexist. Although the word is perhaps a product of a very sexist time, people don't intend sexism by it anymore so why not just ignore those connotations. And the reason why not to just ignore the connotations is the same in both cases: sexist language can create a climate of sexism in the same way that Christmasist language can create a culture of normal-people-are-people-who-celebrate-Christmas.
No the word is a product of the book of Genesis, where God created Man. It is a difference of the words "man" and "Man". Can you get a sexist meaning from it? Sure. You can also use a beach ball to smother someone to death, but both are just silly.
Actually, "man" just means person, originally. In the Olde English, the gender terms were "woman and "waeman" respectively, or "wife person" and "husband person".
"Girl" was also originally a genderless term for a young person, and "Guy" is derivative of Guy Fawkes, being in the 19th century a disparaging term for a ruffian or shady character- a "Guy".
It seems sexist to me that the word that meant person came to mean male person, as though women weren't persons (which they weren't, legally, here in Canada until the twenties), or were defined by their status as wives. My example was ill-worded due to my not actually knowing the etymology involved, but I think it still holds.
It's because I'm a Dwarf. I'm not that short, though.
Actually, "man" just means person, originally. In the Olde English, the gender terms were "woman and "waeman" respectively, or "wife person" and "husband person".
"Girl" was also originally a genderless term for a young person, and "Guy" is derivative of Guy Fawkes, being in the 19th century a disparaging term for a ruffian or shady character- a "Guy".
I actually love hugs, I'm a very huggy person (which is why I didn't punch Giga, only considered it); I simply questioned his intentions. And with Sakura, seeing how she'd just expressed her desire to do X-rated things to me, I think my reaction was justified.
It was either that or ask you to kick yourself in the head
I picked the less offensive impulse
Look up and start using genderless pronouns, see how many people you offend...or plan out confuse.
It may have evolved in a way that can be sexist, but it is only truly sexist if you let it be. As someone who is a woman, feminist and of a minority (transexual) in which I am used to being concidered less than a person...i say let it go. It truly is a trivial thing and just makes you look completely stupid when you sre trying to fix everything else. Not that it is a stupid thing to fight for, but it is one of those things that is just so far off from being fixable anytime soon that any but the most extreme feminists will see you as a screwball and it will discredit anything else you do.
This conversation always reminds me of the scene in Monty Python's "Life of Brian" where the People's Front of Judea are writing out their demands.
Anyway, the problem is in the language itself. "It" implies something with no gender, an inanimate object. Therefore it is difficult to use gender neutral terminology without sounding offensive. If someone is a preoperative transexual, no longer truly a man, but not the dictionary definition of a female, then the logical conclusion would be to use the term "it" in reference to that person. Unfortunately this reduces the person to a status below even animals. My dog is a "she" and my rat is a "he". If you know anything about structuralism and poststructuralism then you know that the language you speak has a vast influence on what you look for, what you ignore, and what you don't see at all. The example that comes immediately to mind is the classic one about the Inuits, who have something like seventeen words for different kinds of snow, but do not have a term that actually means "snow" in the sense that we would use it. I can only see snow because that's all I was ever taught to see and all that I can really express. An Inuit can see and describe every nuance of snow because their mind has been trained to it since they learned to talk.
Ratmage makes some excellent points. For example, I find it a little strange that the transcendent and non-gendered God is always referred to as "He;" but "It" is unsuitable for denoting either persons or Persons, and there's no other gender-neutral pronoun in English.
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While I know it's grammatically incorrect, I usually refer to a person of unknown of unspecificed gender as "they." That avoids calling them the wrong term, without demeaning them with "it." The only person whose ever had a problem with that was my drama teacher (she was originally an English teacher, so there you go).
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Girl-boyfriend. Best of both worlds? Like a portomanteau? I thought it was cute...
The one way for a bi person to actually be bi, since otherwise bi people are obviously all attention *****s/fakers and/or ****s that will **** anything that moves.
To be honest, it looks like a bunch of flame warriors doing what people do on the internet; carefully constructing their response to look vaguely non-provocative, but carefully designed so that it could be taken the wrong way, then, by mutual if silent consent, everyone takes each statement the worst possible way. Everyone gets to get huffy and indignant, which is the point, but the truth is lost. This is what should've transpired;
"Don't forget teh gays."
"Oh, yeah, them too. The point is the same."
And it'd be done.
There was one interesting thing about the article, which is that it states Magic is a great way of making friends. I find, as the people responding found, that this is of limited truth. I've made some great friends through Magic, but I find that doing so requires a commitment that most people don't make and that most think would lead to the opposite result; go "Spike". I really find that only in the top levels of strategy and ruthless, relentlessly honest critique and playtesting do you meet really solid, honest, intelligent and likable people on a reliable basis. Casual players tend not to have much to bond over and are largely all masteurbating over their own theme decks, and quasi-competitive players tend to be emotionally retarded, recluse jerks, homophobes and chauvenists shunted off from more socially mainstream forms of nerdery. But hang out at a Pro Tour, or day 2 of a Grand Prix, or just find some die-hard competitive Magic players, and you tend to find people that are really great human beings, if you can get past being emotionally wounded that someone said your Elf-Staff deck wasn't viable.
I can't say it makes a difference to me.
I couldn't have put it any better myself. Just because the homosexual community isn't mentioned does NOT make it an intentional slight. Hell, most people, I would imagine, don't even think about us, save for when it becomes relevant to them. I admit freely that I'm guilty of the opposite. It doesn't mean I'm slighting the straights in any way, it just means they aren't part of my general thought processes as that lifestyle holds no bearing on me. End statement.
The creator of Maro's Magic 8-Ball!
Hey hey now, My GF and I are bi, but not for any of those reasons. We both find both genders attractive and have been with both. We are far from the people who claim to be bi just cause they want to be different or get attention from others.
Thanks to the guys at Highlight Studios for the great banner and avatar.
Trade with me http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=101483&highlight=" rel="nofollow"here.
Don't touch me.
"My girlfriend used to be bi"
"Used to be?"
"Well she is dating me now so she is straight"
"I am pretty sure that being in a relationship with you did not stop her from being attracted to girls"
"No shes straight"
"She is probably attracted to other guys sometimes right?"
"Well yeah, shes not dead"
"And being in a relationship with you didn't end that?"
"Of course not, don't be silly"
"But dating you made her no loner attracted to girls?"
"She is straight"
"...."
Paraphrased roughly from memory.
I don't want to downplay the way our culture ignores gay people, but I would like to add here that people say "Merry Christmas" without the slightest idea what religion you are. It's annoying. Unfortunately it's also a fact of life.
Thanks to the guys at Highlight Studios for the great banner and avatar.
Trade with me http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=101483&highlight=" rel="nofollow"here.
@Howler ;
* Sakura touches
ooooohhhhh
It's strange how alien the idea of bisexuality is to some people. I consider it a huge sign of how much the queer movement has completely failed to change the way people think, instead just basically selling the idea that LG people (but not so much BT) are "just like" straight people.
Also, I celebrate Christmas, and I'm Jewish, although I grew up in a Christian household. But it's really not particularly Christian so much as Western.
* GigaGuess gives Howler a great big bear hug!
The creator of Maro's Magic 8-Ball!
*Punches Sakura in the ankles*
I wouldn't advise doing that again.
*Considers punching GigaGuess as well*
Well that's not very nice.
The creator of Maro's Magic 8-Ball!
How do you avoid getting hit by Howler?
Actually, "man" just means person, originally. In the Olde English, the gender terms were "woman and "waeman" respectively, or "wife person" and "husband person".
"Girl" was also originally a genderless term for a young person, and "Guy" is derivative of Guy Fawkes, being in the 19th century a disparaging term for a ruffian or shady character- a "Guy".
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Hmmm.... note to self: don't hug Howler...
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I picked the less offensive impulse
Look up and start using genderless pronouns, see how many people you offend...or plan out confuse.
It may have evolved in a way that can be sexist, but it is only truly sexist if you let it be. As someone who is a woman, feminist and of a minority (transexual) in which I am used to being concidered less than a person...i say let it go. It truly is a trivial thing and just makes you look completely stupid when you sre trying to fix everything else. Not that it is a stupid thing to fight for, but it is one of those things that is just so far off from being fixable anytime soon that any but the most extreme feminists will see you as a screwball and it will discredit anything else you do.
Pick your fights.
Anyway, the problem is in the language itself. "It" implies something with no gender, an inanimate object. Therefore it is difficult to use gender neutral terminology without sounding offensive. If someone is a preoperative transexual, no longer truly a man, but not the dictionary definition of a female, then the logical conclusion would be to use the term "it" in reference to that person. Unfortunately this reduces the person to a status below even animals. My dog is a "she" and my rat is a "he". If you know anything about structuralism and poststructuralism then you know that the language you speak has a vast influence on what you look for, what you ignore, and what you don't see at all. The example that comes immediately to mind is the classic one about the Inuits, who have something like seventeen words for different kinds of snow, but do not have a term that actually means "snow" in the sense that we would use it. I can only see snow because that's all I was ever taught to see and all that I can really express. An Inuit can see and describe every nuance of snow because their mind has been trained to it since they learned to talk.
Thanks to the guys at Highlight Studios for the great banner and avatar.
Trade with me http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=101483&highlight=" rel="nofollow"here.