I took that ages ago, i was class 4 also, forgot my score, and i know the purpose of COGIATI is not that, but I knew who I was way before I took that test, and I'm not saying you didn't, I just don't feel a test that tells you who you are is very good. Its not something I trust, or actually care about, because I'd still have known who I was had I been in category 1. I guess it's because I'm just very sure of who I am.
Generally, I know the test is not as in depth as it should be, and as is, is kind of easy to get the result you want, and am well aware its creator knows this, as she's said so herself, I believe, I just think basing who you are off of a test you took is a dumb Idea. (not that I'm saying you did that, Sakura-chan ^ >^;;; )
No, I wouldn't base life vhoices on it...but it reinforces the ones I have already made and weakens most of my doubts.
While I can admit I probably answered a few questions like I was looking for the right answer subconciously, I also caught myself trying to answer some questions more male than I really am. I am used to acting contrary to what my mind says as a means of survival and caught myself doing it on this test a few times. So while some fudged answer possibly gained me some points, some also lost me some. Just an example of how confusing and torn this transition can be.
I pointed out I was a high 4 because I was intrigued that even if I fudged 100 points worth of questions I would still be class 4.
I like how the test takes alot of things in account which are from the mechanical makeup of our brains (ie direction intuition)
ShinSakura & Lilly: I looked at the test because you curiousitized me. And I have to ask, why do your mental abilities matter when determining your gender? That doesn't make sense to me. Idk, I don't really know much about transexuality.
Cecelia: That's alright, I'm just happy your reading it :).
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The male and Female brain handle different kinds of tasks differently. Gender Dysphoria is not a psychological thing but has to do with the mechanical makeup of the brain. The brain is female, the body is male.
Men tend to have a more logical and analitcal way of thinking, are better with numbers and visualizing shapes and mechanics in their head. Better natual sense of direction. Work best with visual tangeable sensations (which is why guys are more into porn)
A woman's brain functions much differently. Color matters more than shape usually. Where as a man can remember and visualize shapes they often have trouble with faces. Men forget the little details, such as hairstyle, eye color, etc. It is the reason why men generally do not see when their wife gets a new hair style. Women are also more intuitive in placing mannerisms with feelings, whereas the analytical mind of the male tends to ignore that connection completely.
Biologically, women's brains are designed to be nuturing and supportive so that they can respond best and focus the strongest on their children while the male brain is designed to adapt and figure out how to get food and protect the family unit.
This test takes this into account, and most of the questions focus on responses that are based on how your brain is built as opposed to how you feel.
Transvestites and crossdressers generally have brains which mechanically match their body but psychologically have a reason to be female sometimes. This reason varies from person to person...some are fetishes and sexual only, some are a way of expression, some are exploration, some are from some sort of trauma or a need to replace an emotional hole.
Transexuals on the other hand have brains opposite of their body and what they have been raised to believe they are. Living in the wrong body is extremely emotionally and psychologically damaging.
Also, the confusion of growing up as the wrong gender...trying to live life one way and learn one way while actually being the other...tends to bring with it a slew of learning dissorders common in transgenderred people.
I myself was diagnosed as ADD and Dyslexic and they told my mother I was slow and had below average comprehension of shapes because I couldn't draw a proper circle (among other indicaters) These tests were based on me being a boy. As a result of being tested as a boy and failing I was treated as having learning difficulties.
Huh, I guess that makes sense. I'm a pretty feminine guy myself, but I'm not to the point I think I'm a woman in a man's body. I've always felt basically comfortable with who I am, and I think that's why it seems strange to me. I feel like, if you're (you used in the most broad sense here) more feminine than masculine and you have a man's body, thats just how you are and there's no need to change it your not normal and that makes you better than normal :p. Just my opinion though. I'm not used to discussing this stuff.
EDIT: I just picked up a job application to a new pizza place that opened up. The owner is hiring around 50 students apparently. So even if I don't get the job, the competition for other jobs in the area will have dropped considerably.
Huh, I guess that makes sense. I'm a pretty feminine guy myself, but I'm not to the point I think I'm a woman in a man's body. I've always felt basically comfortable with who I am, and I think that's why it seems strange to me. I feel like, if you're (you used in the most broad sense here) more feminine than masculine and you have a man's body, thats just how you are and there's no need to change it your not normal and that makes you better than normal :p. Just my opinion though. I'm not used to discussing this stuff.
It really isn't the kind of thing you can understand unless you have lived it or really truly studied it.
Very high (108) Androgyne. Im pretty worried at this point considering i never thought about becoming a female. I usually consider myself class 2 in that ranks but this thing proved me wrong -.-
I wouldn't worry too much. Nothing wrong with that score at all.
I wouldn't be worried, FL. It's an online test and thus probably not that accurate. I took it out of curiosity and scored a -25 Androgyn. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm rather the opposite of androgynous.
...I'm going to annihilate the cable company. They said the DVR box would be here between noon and 5, and I was really hoping it'd be as close to noon as possible. I don't want to sit around all afternoon waiting for them.
I wouldn't be worried, FL. It's an online test and thus probably not that accurate. I took it out of curiosity and scored a -25 Androgyn. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm rather the opposite of androgynous.
Androgyn =/= Androgynous in the sense you are thinking ether. It just means that the way your brain works is somewhere in the middle. You could come accross as completely male or completely female and still be labelled in the Androgyn category. People in this category are rather lucky because they generally have the freeist choice in who they are and can fit in and feel comfortable either way or in the middle somewhere.
Psychologically and emotionally you could feel and act and be happy and well adjusted the way you are, but your brain is mechanically median.
-650 to -389 Class 1 (Definite Male)
-390 to -129 Class 2 (Feminine Male)
-130 to 129 Class 3 (Androgyne)
130 to 389 Class 4 (Probable Transsexual)
390 to 650 Class 5 (Classic Transsexual)
The sexual gratification-based, fetish transvestite would fit Class 1
The mostly sexual / fetishistic but slightly gender involved crossdresser fits Class 2
The serious transgenderist fits Class 3
The most common type of transsexual (well over 70%) fits Class 4
The rarest, early onset, 'classic model of early research' transsexual fits Class 5
I scored a 345, Class 4...44 points shy of Class 5.
Posted this as a point of intrest, and because it also offers some insight into what the difference between a crossdresser and a transexual is.
Notice none of the questions pertain to what/who you are attracted too. Gender Identity and sexual preference are completely seperate even in those who would be labelled as a Class 5.
180. Middle gorund Class 4. It makes a lot of sense. I am actually going to start hormone therapy in the coming months.
I got caught staring at guys in the locker room today and got 2 days of ISD for it. I don't see why the school is against homosexuality in that way. But a good thing today, I skipped my math class to play Apples to Apples which was very fun.
I got caught staring at guys in the locker room today and got 2 days of ISD for it. I don't see why the school is against homosexuality in that way. But a good thing today, I skipped my math class to play Apples to Apples which was very fun.
That's despicable, Evan. I doubt anything in your school's policy allows them to get away with that. Hell, I would always check guys out when I was in high school and I was never punished for it. I even got a kiss on the cheek out of the deal. From a straight guy, no less. There's something to be said for people who like to watch other people squirm, heh.
...Thank god I was wearing a jock strap. He was adorable.
That's despicable, Evan. I doubt anything in your school's policy allows them to get away with that. Hell, I would always check guys out when I was in high school and I was never punished for it. I even got a kiss on the cheek out of the deal. From a straight guy, no less. There's something to be said for people who like to watch other people squirm, heh.
...Thank god I was wearing a jock strap. He was adorable.
It's not worth fighting. Honestly ISD is better than class. That is a really cute story you have there and by the way is your siggy Dragon Warrior: Monsters?
It's not worth fighting. Honestly ISD is better than class. That is a really cute story you have there and by the way is your siggy Dragon Warrior: Monsters?
Indeed it is! *Hands Evan a giant cookie for knowing that* ^__^;;
I can't stay away from Dragon Quest themes. It's just...the best, yo.
I know it isn't worth fighting the school, but it just seems so arbitrary that they'd punish a student for something like that. I mean, if they're going to go that far they should prevent students from dancing too close together and punish female students for wearing halter tops. For serious O_o;;
Indeed it is! *Hands Evan a giant cookie for knowing that* ^__^;;
I can't stay away from Dragon Quest themes. It's just...the best, yo.
I know it isn't worth fighting the school, but it just seems so arbitrary that they'd punish a student for something like that. I mean, if they're going to go that far they should prevent students from dancing too close together and punish female students for wearing halter tops. For serious O_o;;
First off I love that game. I was playing it a few days ago on my still working GBC. Side note, my Brick and NES still work in perfect condition as does my Sega Genesis.
The student body is very accepting but the staff not so much. The boy didn't even care but the coach saw me and freaked....
What gets me is that it isn't unusual for the staff to be freaked out by something like that. Our staff was pretty accepting except for, of course, the male teachers who all happened to be sports coaches as well. I had a lot of fun making some of them uncomfortable back when I was young and immature.
I just got ahold of a copy of DQMonsters a month or two ago. I fell in love with it because of the nostalgia factor, mostly - every area in the game is taken from a canon DQ game, right down to the enemies you face there and even...*melt*...the music. OH GAWD DQ MUSIC pWNS.
Sorry to say that I don't have a perfect DQ collection yet, though. The games are just too rare because of limited distribution. What I need for a complete set is this:
Torneko: The Last Hope
Dragon Warrior Monsters 2 (both versions)
Dragon Warrior 1+2 for GBC
And hopefully DQMonsters: Joker if it's ever localized. I seriously hope so =)
I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the COGIATI test; while I'm sure it was well-intentioned, it's completely nonscientific, and practically says as much in the introduction. While it might be fun to take, the result shouldn't affect how someone sees themself. I'm actually surprised that more people aren't a little offended by the test, since it plays off of fairly shallow and transparent stereotypes of what constitutes masculine or feminine behavior.
I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the COGIATI test; while I'm sure it was well-intentioned, it's completely nonscientific, and practically says as much in the introduction. While it might be fun to take, the result shouldn't affect how someone sees themself. I'm actually surprised that more people aren't a little offended by the test, since it plays off of fairly shallow and transparent stereotypes of what constitutes masculine or feminine behavior.
Some of those shallow stereotypes come from somewhere. It is based off of the kinds of things psychiatrists look for when analyzing a prospective Transgendered patient. Stereotypes or not, female and male brains are completely different. This test is to distinguish between someone who has a psychological disposition towards acting feminine and someone who is actually possesing a female brain. That is the difference between a cross dresser and a transexual. Being based on the same things the therapist will be trained to ask and look for, this test gives me a better sense of confidence than I had before.
Yes, it isn't 100% accurate.
Yes, it is relatively easy to cheat.
No, you shouldn't hold the test as holy writ on who and what you are.
Yes, go get real help afterwards.
The website is designed to help those who are transgendered or have questions about what the condition really is.
No self taken test of this sort should be taken to heart, but can be used to help start you in the right direction. This test bassically told me what I already knew. It aslo aleviated some of the stress of "what if my therapist refuses to help me?" That is a huge fear. What if the people who I need to get the help I need refuse to help me? I scored very high on this test. Give or take 100 points for error and I am still a class 4 or even a class 5 (the latter I doubt)
Joyd, you cannot deny mens and womens brains work differently. This is a scientifically proven fact, even our brainwaves are different. The result is we think differently and view the world differently. While we all should be equal and shouldn't limit ourselves to our gender and what these biological components ditcate to us, at the core of what makes us male and female lie these distinct thought processes.
I know it's a hot-button topic for the House right now, but is Gender Dysphoria and Androgyny the only topic of the day?
Not to take you off yer soapbox, Sakura, but to be honest, I'm getting a little wore out on it.
I'm not leaving the Precon League for good. I'm just not playing right now. I'll still run it and hand out packs.
Chances are before I return I'll change decks. Joyd, Mr. Stuff, and Sakura-chan have the best records in the House. Joyd's winning with a whopping 16-4 record. I'm 12-18. I've played more matches, yes, but evened out, I've got a badly scoring record. The most recent loss vs Sakura was the hardest blow to my deck. She didn't just beat me, she literally mopped the floor with me. As it stands, everyone that's playing is starting to outrace me.
So I'm on hiatus.
Good luck to Strong Bad and Crimson Avatar in the final round of the FCC.
Have you ever done something at work that was so boring that you, having gotten less than the amount of sleep you'd wanted, literally fell onto the desk and snoozed? It happened to me today in the library at work. I really want to be able to use my iPod while I work--if I have music, I'll stay awake and working, and in fact very diligently.
That's one of the reasons I'm taking a bit of a break from the League as well, Alacar. It doesn't seem like anyone but Mr. Stuff, Dave, and a couple of other people ever win, and it's frustrating to always lose no matter what you do. My record isn't exactly stellar, either, and to be honest it bothers me. Probably more than it should. But being consistently beaten by the same people over and over again doesn't help a bruised ego or a flimsy enough opinion of the game being played, so yeah.
It's just not fun right now. I'm hoping that'll change some time soon, but right now...hell no.
No, I wouldn't base life vhoices on it...but it reinforces the ones I have already made and weakens most of my doubts.
While I can admit I probably answered a few questions like I was looking for the right answer subconciously, I also caught myself trying to answer some questions more male than I really am. I am used to acting contrary to what my mind says as a means of survival and caught myself doing it on this test a few times. So while some fudged answer possibly gained me some points, some also lost me some. Just an example of how confusing and torn this transition can be.
I pointed out I was a high 4 because I was intrigued that even if I fudged 100 points worth of questions I would still be class 4.
I like how the test takes alot of things in account which are from the mechanical makeup of our brains (ie direction intuition)
Cecelia: That's alright, I'm just happy your reading it :).
Men tend to have a more logical and analitcal way of thinking, are better with numbers and visualizing shapes and mechanics in their head. Better natual sense of direction. Work best with visual tangeable sensations (which is why guys are more into porn)
A woman's brain functions much differently. Color matters more than shape usually. Where as a man can remember and visualize shapes they often have trouble with faces. Men forget the little details, such as hairstyle, eye color, etc. It is the reason why men generally do not see when their wife gets a new hair style. Women are also more intuitive in placing mannerisms with feelings, whereas the analytical mind of the male tends to ignore that connection completely.
Biologically, women's brains are designed to be nuturing and supportive so that they can respond best and focus the strongest on their children while the male brain is designed to adapt and figure out how to get food and protect the family unit.
This test takes this into account, and most of the questions focus on responses that are based on how your brain is built as opposed to how you feel.
Transvestites and crossdressers generally have brains which mechanically match their body but psychologically have a reason to be female sometimes. This reason varies from person to person...some are fetishes and sexual only, some are a way of expression, some are exploration, some are from some sort of trauma or a need to replace an emotional hole.
Transexuals on the other hand have brains opposite of their body and what they have been raised to believe they are. Living in the wrong body is extremely emotionally and psychologically damaging.
Also, the confusion of growing up as the wrong gender...trying to live life one way and learn one way while actually being the other...tends to bring with it a slew of learning dissorders common in transgenderred people.
I myself was diagnosed as ADD and Dyslexic and they told my mother I was slow and had below average comprehension of shapes because I couldn't draw a proper circle (among other indicaters) These tests were based on me being a boy. As a result of being tested as a boy and failing I was treated as having learning difficulties.
EDIT: I just picked up a job application to a new pizza place that opened up. The owner is hiring around 50 students apparently. So even if I don't get the job, the competition for other jobs in the area will have dropped considerably.
It really isn't the kind of thing you can understand unless you have lived it or really truly studied it.
I wouldn't worry too much. Nothing wrong with that score at all.
...I'm going to annihilate the cable company. They said the DVR box would be here between noon and 5, and I was really hoping it'd be as close to noon as possible. I don't want to sit around all afternoon waiting for them.
Androgyn =/= Androgynous in the sense you are thinking ether. It just means that the way your brain works is somewhere in the middle. You could come accross as completely male or completely female and still be labelled in the Androgyn category. People in this category are rather lucky because they generally have the freeist choice in who they are and can fit in and feel comfortable either way or in the middle somewhere.
Psychologically and emotionally you could feel and act and be happy and well adjusted the way you are, but your brain is mechanically median.
180. Middle gorund Class 4. It makes a lot of sense. I am actually going to start hormone therapy in the coming months.
I got caught staring at guys in the locker room today and got 2 days of ISD for it. I don't see why the school is against homosexuality in that way. But a good thing today, I skipped my math class to play Apples to Apples which was very fun.
I hope the test isn't the only reason you are going for the HRT. Doubt it is, but I want to make sure.
That's despicable, Evan. I doubt anything in your school's policy allows them to get away with that. Hell, I would always check guys out when I was in high school and I was never punished for it. I even got a kiss on the cheek out of the deal. From a straight guy, no less. There's something to be said for people who like to watch other people squirm, heh.
...Thank god I was wearing a jock strap. He was adorable.
It's not worth fighting. Honestly ISD is better than class. That is a really cute story you have there and by the way is your siggy Dragon Warrior: Monsters?
Indeed it is! *Hands Evan a giant cookie for knowing that* ^__^;;
I can't stay away from Dragon Quest themes. It's just...the best, yo.
I know it isn't worth fighting the school, but it just seems so arbitrary that they'd punish a student for something like that. I mean, if they're going to go that far they should prevent students from dancing too close together and punish female students for wearing halter tops. For serious O_o;;
First off I love that game. I was playing it a few days ago on my still working GBC. Side note, my Brick and NES still work in perfect condition as does my Sega Genesis.
The student body is very accepting but the staff not so much. The boy didn't even care but the coach saw me and freaked....
I just got ahold of a copy of DQMonsters a month or two ago. I fell in love with it because of the nostalgia factor, mostly - every area in the game is taken from a canon DQ game, right down to the enemies you face there and even...*melt*...the music. OH GAWD DQ MUSIC pWNS.
Sorry to say that I don't have a perfect DQ collection yet, though. The games are just too rare because of limited distribution. What I need for a complete set is this:
Torneko: The Last Hope
Dragon Warrior Monsters 2 (both versions)
Dragon Warrior 1+2 for GBC
And hopefully DQMonsters: Joker if it's ever localized. I seriously hope so =)
And speaking of nostalga factor and canon games: Gex 64: Enter the Gecko. That game got better as I got older because I got the jokes more and more.
* ShinSakura is happy to have a new sister :-D
Im rather fond of Kaylei, so I think I will go with that.
Either way, very pretty.
The coffeehouse seems to bring us sisters out of the woodwork. Omna should start a support center :-P
It would put the Coffehouse to shame :P. And it is pronounced Kay-Lee.
Some of those shallow stereotypes come from somewhere. It is based off of the kinds of things psychiatrists look for when analyzing a prospective Transgendered patient. Stereotypes or not, female and male brains are completely different. This test is to distinguish between someone who has a psychological disposition towards acting feminine and someone who is actually possesing a female brain. That is the difference between a cross dresser and a transexual. Being based on the same things the therapist will be trained to ask and look for, this test gives me a better sense of confidence than I had before.
Yes, it isn't 100% accurate.
Yes, it is relatively easy to cheat.
No, you shouldn't hold the test as holy writ on who and what you are.
Yes, go get real help afterwards.
The website is designed to help those who are transgendered or have questions about what the condition really is.
No self taken test of this sort should be taken to heart, but can be used to help start you in the right direction. This test bassically told me what I already knew. It aslo aleviated some of the stress of "what if my therapist refuses to help me?" That is a huge fear. What if the people who I need to get the help I need refuse to help me? I scored very high on this test. Give or take 100 points for error and I am still a class 4 or even a class 5 (the latter I doubt)
Joyd, you cannot deny mens and womens brains work differently. This is a scientifically proven fact, even our brainwaves are different. The result is we think differently and view the world differently. While we all should be equal and shouldn't limit ourselves to our gender and what these biological components ditcate to us, at the core of what makes us male and female lie these distinct thought processes.
Not to take you off yer soapbox, Sakura, but to be honest, I'm getting a little wore out on it.
I'm not leaving the Precon League for good. I'm just not playing right now. I'll still run it and hand out packs.
Chances are before I return I'll change decks. Joyd, Mr. Stuff, and Sakura-chan have the best records in the House. Joyd's winning with a whopping 16-4 record. I'm 12-18. I've played more matches, yes, but evened out, I've got a badly scoring record. The most recent loss vs Sakura was the hardest blow to my deck. She didn't just beat me, she literally mopped the floor with me. As it stands, everyone that's playing is starting to outrace me.
So I'm on hiatus.
Good luck to Strong Bad and Crimson Avatar in the final round of the FCC.
Have you ever done something at work that was so boring that you, having gotten less than the amount of sleep you'd wanted, literally fell onto the desk and snoozed? It happened to me today in the library at work. I really want to be able to use my iPod while I work--if I have music, I'll stay awake and working, and in fact very diligently.
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I've fallen asleep on calls before actually...during long downloads or cleanup processes.
Sorry I beat you so bad by the way. I did have fun playing you though, I was looking forward to it for ages.
Does anyone have any Gorrila Shamans on magic online?
It's just not fun right now. I'm hoping that'll change some time soon, but right now...hell no.