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Rosy Dumplings

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#1 Posted Apr 11, 2019

Doubling up on karn’s temporal sundering is kind of nuts... especially when the first one just costs. 2 mana

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#2 Posted Apr 11, 2019

This is insanely powerful given the correct deck. A 2 mana Chemister’s Insight or 2 mana Vraska’s Contempt is strong already, but the fact that it doesn’t use an actual card from hand is absurd.

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#15 Posted Apr 15, 2019

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It doesn’t ignore timing restrictions. The effect isn’t a until end of turn effect. You can cast it, but only if that’s a legal time to cast that card.

I'm gonna press X to doubt, because it specifies instant OR SORCERY, and you would literally never be able to cast a sorcery otherwise unless you had a Vedalken Orrery effect or unless you had something that prevented you from drawing for your start of turn. Literally "Whenever you reveal an instant or sorcery this way".

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#14 Posted Apr 15, 2019

It doesn’t ignore timing restrictions. The effect isn’t a until end of turn effect. You can cast it, but only if that’s a legal time to cast that card.

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#4 Posted Apr 11, 2019

Radical Idea on their end step, cast Ritual of Soot or Sleep, ignoring timing restrictions.

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#3 Posted Apr 11, 2019

Not to mention he's a 4/5 flyer for 4 mana in blue.

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#5 Posted Apr 11, 2019

This is insanely powerful in any spell-heavy deck.

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#6 Posted Apr 12, 2019

So this gives all of your instant and sorcery cards a Miracle cost of -2 and you get to keep the card in hand. Seems fun...

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#7 Posted Apr 12, 2019

As Wesley Foxx mentioned previously, instant-speed draw spells will be pretty great with this. Opt and Discovery especially, since those will give you a bit of selection in order to get to the instants and sorceries that you want to cast cheaply and double up on.

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#12 Posted Apr 12, 2019

I have no idea why I thought Discovery was an instant. My only defense is that blue and black are my least-played colors.

I guess you could combo scry effects (instant speed or no) with instant-speed draw effects (such as a flipped treasure map), but other than that, it looks like Opt is the only option.

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#10 Posted Apr 12, 2019

I am guessing this still lets you cast it though, as otherwise whats the point in mentioning sorcery?

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#9 Posted Apr 12, 2019

The Discovery part of Discovery // Dispersal is a sorcery.

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#8 Posted Apr 12, 2019

They really wanna push the limits of the izzet "spells matter" deck...but I'm not gonna complain.

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#11 Posted Apr 12, 2019

4/5 for 4 in blue ? EEK!

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#13 Posted Apr 12, 2019

How would this interact with a miracle card like Temporal Mastery?

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#16 Posted Apr 15, 2019

If you didn't cast a spell to draw the card, it would apply for it's miracle cost, which is what you would copy reduced by 2.

The REAL fun part of this card will be using it to copy spells that exile themselves then brainstorming them back to qualify for the ability again. Magical christmas land is having a brainstorm effect creature like, say, Riverwise Augur and copy-cast Karn's Temporal Sundering bouncing the creature back to your hand to take guaranteed infinite turns.

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#17 Posted Apr 18, 2019

Hey so, me and some friends got into an argument about what would happen if you control multiple God Eternal Kefnets(via Helm of the Host)
One person was saying that you would get 1 copy and it would cost 2 less for each Kefnet.
One is saying you would only get 1 copy and it would only cost 2 less.
and I am saying that you would get a copy for each Kefnet and each would cost 2 less.
If someone could clarify what would happen that would be appreciated.

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#18 Posted Apr 26, 2019

It looks like Eli Shiffrin clarified that this week.

War of the Spark Release Notes

Compiled by Eli Shiffrin, with contributions from Laurie Cheers, Carsten Haese, Nathan Long, and Thijs van Ommen
Document last modified April 22, 2019

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If you somehow control more than one God-Eternal Kefnet (perhaps because one is a Spark Double), you may reveal a card you draw for any number of their abilities. One at a time, each will copy the card if it’s an instant or sorcery, and you may cast each of them. Each copy resolves before you cast the next, and each copy’s cost is reduced by only 2.

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