Let's put a SMILE on that FACE! *somewhat of a spoiler, keep away*

The Joker is the best. The Dark Knight is what I can consider an epic movie. And it's only reaching that status with me because of the Joker. Bruce Wayne/Batman was alright, Harvey Dent was alright, every character had played their part well in the movie.

It's the Joker that carried the movie pretty much since he's the main villain. Every scene with the Joker in it was on point and highly entertaining because... well... it's the Joker. This is the second time I've seen the movie.

But what kinda struck me during the movie was when they finally catch him and he's in the holding cell. Gordon is telling the Mayor that they have no file for him: no real name, no identification whatsoever. Then the irony hit me, Heath Ledger tragically passed away before the movie was released... so technically what Gordon says in the movie is true in both worlds (the film and the real world) in a sense. I don't know if that's disturbing or what but it fits in a way. Maybe it's disturbing that it does fit so well.

Well, I guess that's all I have to say. I wouldn't want to give away too much (well, it's not even a spoiler since you hear part of it in the teasers). That is all.

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Posted Jul 29, 2008
The Joker sounded like Richard Dreyfuss.

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Posted Jul 29, 2008
So, by your logic, Tarmogoyf, The Dark Knight won't be epic until 2058 and the hype has died down?

The Fifth Element is on my list because every single shot, moment, line, and effect locks in entirely for a wonderful experience that's unlike any other sci-fi adventure I've seen, even Star Wars.

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Posted Jul 28, 2008
I agree with Pulp Fiction, Last Samurai, and Blade Runner. But I don't know about Fifth Element.

I've never seen The Longest Day, though.

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Posted Jul 28, 2008
What??? None of those movies are epic...

Personally, I don't believe a movie can gain epic status until half a century has passed. If the hype hasn't died off by then, it never will.

Oh, and if Heath Ledger doesn't win an award, I'm never respecting a critics opinion again. Ever.

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Posted Jul 28, 2008
An epic movie? The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King is an epic film, no question. But for an example of a nonsequel epic film would be films such as:
-The Fifth Element
-Pulp Fiction
-Blade Runner
-The Last Samurai

And probably the most epic war movie of all: The Longest Day

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
Im curious alacar, what movie do you feel to be worthy of the title of epic? (or legendary)

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
Ideally, we're just using different jargon. But the core is that I think a little less highly of Dark Knight than you. Still, it is the best movie of 2008 so far, and there have been some very impressive films.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
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Also, I still disagree on The Dark Knight being an 'epic movie'. Rarely can a film claim that and be right. True enough, the film is larger than life, and made of awesome dripping in sweet coolness, but it is not epic.
I'm thinking you and I have different definitions of epic.

In my mind, what you're saying constitutes a legendary film; which is a step higher than epic. I wouldn't consider The Dark Knight legendary because of some things about it that don't add up. But I think it's definitely qualifies as an epic movie. But really what it comes down to is your opinion vs. mine and that doesn't really get anywhere. So I'll leave it at that.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
My apologies. I misread your comment. I thought you were talking about Ledger's actual last film, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus which was greatly affected by his death.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film)#Cast_and_characters

Look under Heath Ledger as the Joker--

All of Ledger's scenes appear as he completed them in the filming; in editing the film, Nolan added no "digital effects" to alter Ledger's actual performance posthumously.

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/16-07/ff_darknight?currentPage=all

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
He was done filming and working on his next project when he died.

No he wasn't. They had to adjust the film and the shoot to compensate for his death. His character will now go through physical changes and be played in part by Ledger but also by Johnny Depp, Jude Law and Colin Farrell. According to the original shooting, Ledger was nowhere near done. He was done with the location shoots in London, but principal photography onset in Vancouver hadn't even begun when he died.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
He was done filming and working on his next project when he died. Therefore his death and the film have no REAL connection for me. Still, Heath acted circles around the rest of the cast.

Also, I still disagree on The Dark Knight being an 'epic movie'. Rarely can a film claim that and be right. True enough, the film is larger than life, and made of awesome dripping in sweet coolness, but it is not epic.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
I too totally feel ya on that. Heath Ledger's Joker kinda made the movie for me. Not to say that the rest of the cast wasn't cool in their own right too, but The Joker was just amazing.

He just had such style and presence whenever he was on the screen. The way he carried himself, the things he said, it was all just so totally hot and badass.

I'm not even usually a fan of mainstream superhero kinda movies, but The Dark Knight was just awesome and Heath was amazing in it.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
Even though I agree with you, I feel that some people only feel this way because of the hype of his death(or some people think that's why I feel this way.) In all honesty, he really nailed his part in this Psycho-thriller movie. Anyone looking for a fun family superhero action film, this isn't the movie for you. The Dark Knight is nothing but an insta-classic horror in disguise.

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Posted Jul 27, 2008
I heart the joker!!!!!!!

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