MTG Salvation

I owned full playsets of duel land (xmas '97 gift to myself $150 for all of them ~$200 if I had chose the beta ones which were pretty played)... pure crack

So, you're angry about the state of mana fixing because you're used to playing with a set of the best dual lands ever made?

Man, by that token, I'm upset about playing Noggin Whack because it's not Mind Twist.

Obelisk of Grixis
Artifact
:1mana::symtap:: Add :symu::symb::symr: to your mana pool.

Joyd your putting lipstick on the pig..

the land base is the second most most spectacular land base

I owned full playsets of duel land (xmas '97 gift to myself $150 for all of them ~$200 if I had chose the beta ones which were pretty played)... pure crack

I just wanted something that could have produced the tri colors at once from one source by turn 4 or 5 so you could play all the absurd high casting costs

like Obelisk of Grixis
Artifact
:symtap:: Add :symu::symb::symr: to your mana pool.

or

Really? You complain that you only get colorless mana on turn one with the fetchland. If you played the mountain on turn one, you would have had a colored mana, and your turn two would have been the same. If you didn't have a turn one play, then the fact that the land only produces colorless mana doesn't matter, and you should have played the CIPT land on that turn anyway, which would have negated its drawback entirely. There's no reason at all to play the Panorama as your first land -ever-, unless you have a one-mana artifact you can play with it or unless it's the only land you have in your hand, in which case you should not have kept a one-land hand. It's not especially complicated; not only is the order described not the best way to play the fixers out, it's hard to think of an order that's worse. (It's also unclear why, upon getting the ability to cast a CDE spell, you'd use that mana to cast an Obelisk.)

Is this the best non-rare mana fixing in a set ever? No. Ravnica's was probably better. (Signets and Bouncelands are both very nice.) But you can make about any combination of cards look bad with senseless play.

Honestly, I agree that the new duals are nothing but ****. The "fetches" are laughable and worse than Terramorphic Expanse, while the CIPT lands are just flat out worse than vivids. The fact of the matter is, however, that we already can easily cast these spells in T2 with one of the most solid T2 manabases in history. I believe the reason the new duals are so poor is to maintain a deviation between block constructed and standard. WoTC doesn't want us to be able to cast turn 3 woolly thoctar or the 3/4 lifelinker, and I completely agree with their stance.

Joyd there is not a more effective method to play those crappy cards.. what was described is not playing badly at all! Your reply is intellectually dishonest.
The point is the "man fixers" are really really slow! Using the four cards provided there is no way to get 4 mana in play before turn 5... and impossible to not "skip" a few turns in the process.

The problem for me has always been I'm a budget player. So the CIPT lands are usually my answer as I can't afford something like Rav Duals or Murmuring Bosk like cards. Pain lands sure, but when you start talkin $10 cards WoTC effectively kicks budget players out of t2 (yeah, I know it's more exspensive then the other formats).

So the problem I see is two fold. Unless there are no good mana fixers in the rare slots and everyone is forced to play bad lands

If you had a turn one play that required colored mana, you should play a normal land there - like the mountain. If you didn't, you should have played the CIPT land, effectively negating its drawback. (People played 2-color CIPT lands in environments where mana fixing was even less important. They're not great, but they're not terrible.) Sure, if you're playing a bunch of the common mana fixers - probably intended to smooth mana in limited - and you're playing them in the least effective order possible, then yeah, you're going to have trouble. (You also have two mana available on turn three that you neglect to do anything with.) I hate to come down harsh, but if you're playing what probably aren't the premeire mana fixers in the set (typically the headliner dual lands are rares) and you're playing extremely badly, then yes, trying to play three-color spells isn't going to work out well for you.

And? WotC doesn't want people to be unable to cast these new, cool spells. So they give us effective mana fixing. If they didn't, they'd be getting complaints on the other end.

I'm gonna go with WoTC's favor here and say you're overreacting. Wait until half the spoiler is out before we determine that 3 colored spells are unplayable. I'm not disagreeing with you; just sayin that you should wait a little while. Who knows, we might get a mox effect yet, or a better birds of paradise. We can only hope; as so far this looks like a bad run at the planeshift Lair lands and the 3 cc artifacts that supported two colors in Invasion block.

Sigh, I lost faith in WoTC a long time ago.