I know lots of people who love the decklists, especially when they are budget oriented. One thing I am constantly told by others when I point them in your direction is that they love the fact that while the decklists are budget, you frequently talk about cards which can be substituted to make the list "more competitive".
When I first started crafting MP decks, I looked at your guides (still do) and got a base idea. I made changes based on my meta and based on my wallet.
Decklists are fun, but need to be looked at yearly in an effort to include the latest new tech
excellent job Prid3
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Oct 8, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on Prid3's Guide to Green Multiplayer Cards and StrategiesPosted in: Multiplayer
Oct 7, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on Random Cube Card of the Day Thread - Grim MonolithWe don't run Top in cube. Our experience was that Top was quite niche in a cube environment. It's awesome in Legacy of course. The main issue we had with it was inexperienced players didn't TRULY understand it's power and often sided the card in when they really couldn't take advantage of it or their deck just didn't need it.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
GI Joe for me. I still own a ton of 3 3/4 inch figures, and have every issue from the Marvel comic run. No other toy comes remotely close
Sep 17, 2016Posted in: MultiplayerQuote from Yabast »Made a (multiplayer)cube last week and tried it over the weekend.
It was a blast to play!
Our playgroup is in a bit of a crisis because some people are willing to put lots of money into their decks and most of the others play some kind of budget decks. => For example some people are playing legacy duals and some are playing ravnica shocks. wich leads to discussion. The people who invest also don't want proxies to be used for those ultra expensive cards.
The cube solves this problem.
Everyone is equal now!
I made sure all the strategies that were used are also prominent inside the cube.
Our group was in the exact same boat as your group. We had two superpower players who had the resources and 4-6 others who were more budget oriented or who weren't willing to spend obscene amounts of cash. I decided to build a MP cube (players could contribute cards if they wanted) to equal the playing field. I met a ton of resistance from our group. People wanted to play their own decks, didn't understand the format, still assumed it would be a pay to play format, and figured it would get stale real quick.
I did two things to fix this. I initially included everyone who wanted to play in the decision making process and I tried to include at least one deck archetype from each persons constructed decks
so they would feel like they could play something familiar. Surprisingly, once the bashers realized how much fun the entire process was, I had the group on-board. The cube is more or less managed by two of us and we debate archetypes/card inclusion while the others have trusted our judgment.
We have a fully powered MP cube. Most of our games are 4-5 player FFA, but when we get 8 players, it's a gong show. My group loves to play sealed or to draft, it really comes down to how quickly we want to start playing.
Aug 26, 2016Any build should have Mother of runes in it. Card just stymies any targeted removal to the point where opponents will have to kill MUM before they kill Knight Exemplar. It doesn't matter that she isn't a knight and even the flavor text of either version of the card is on point.Posted in: Multiplayer
I never leave my Knight deck at home without the Mother's protection.
Aug 25, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on WOTC announces "You Make the Cube" competition for MTGOA shame they aren't really looking for a Multiplayer Cube. It's not traditional in any sense and can be made to be really wacky while offering loads of replay value. The issues with MP cubes of course is you lose the Aggro type decks and take on a lot more mid range "good stuffs" decks. Some people have issues with this.Posted in: The Cube Forum
Jul 6, 2016This guy admitted to being a scummy trader in the interview, he took advantage of others while trading. Now he's doing this instead. I've seen many arguments justifying the behavior (free market, it's legal, if I don't someone else will, the stores have been doing it for years etc etc). He's only out for himself and a very small group of friends (if you believe he sells at the pre-inflated price to those who genuinely need the card).Posted in: Market Street Café
I guess everyone needs their 15 mins of fame
Jul 1, 2016Our group voted unanimously that the Meld mechanic has no place in our cube. However, if a card with the Meld mechanic is good enough to be in the cube on it's own merits, it's in, if not, it's out. Simple as that. We are going to treat the Meld as flavor text. YMMV and I wouldn't hold it against any group who felt differently.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
Apr 20, 2016Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
White has riches in the 5CC space. We run Archangel of Thune and it's a monster if you support it correctly. It really comes down to the archetype support when choosing.
Apr 11, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on Mods please close. We have just copied and pasted into a different threadIt's not possible to reassign ownership. Go ahead and put the entire contents of the first post into a new thread and then I will have a mod lock this one. No point in pasting the other replies into the new thread I don't think.Posted in: Cube Lists
Apr 11, 2016Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype DiscussionQuote from Dolono »Artifact.dec has never come together in my cube the way I have observed it in constructed edh. I am going to make a go at U/R thopter tokens, but I've been slowly but surely cutting stuff like metalworker, chief engineer, grand architect, baleful strix, and sharuum on my watch list.
I am not sure how you cut baleful stix ?
There is just so much value in this card and it doesn't require artifact.dec to make it great.
Apr 10, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on Mods please close. We have just copied and pasted into a different threadHoping to move ownership of the thread to my buddy so he can manage it on here. It's a shame that we can't keep it updated all over the net, but I can only do so much. Big SOI changes/balancing is happening. Come draft in my signature below on CubeTutor and let us know what you think.Posted in: Cube Lists
The playgroup is loving the new changes (which are documented on Cubetutor)
Thanks all for the support
Apr 10, 2016Here is where I am at in our MP cube:Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
U/B/R Mill: In order to make this archetype stronger we have added red to merge the draw/discard hand effects that also exist. Think wheel of fortune reforge the soul and Creature like Psychosis Crawler. The usual suspects are all included in an attempt to create enough redundancy to make drafting a deck possible. Mesmeric Orb is a card we have not put back in, but it truly takes the archetype into the land of chaos if it's not removed quickly. People grumble when Ulamog, the ceaseless wonder attacker but people really complained about an early Orb so it's on hiatus.
We originally had a plethora of tribal elements in the cube and Miaou hits the nail on the head. The cards also need critical mass to really be fun, but it gets old real quick. Rather, we play what we feel are the best tribal cards not for tribal, but rather to support archetypes that the group finds fun. If the deck occasionally has a large tribal aspect, this is more by accident then by design.
As for artifacts, we have just put the u/r theme together ourselves. It's fun, and again I think the key is to include splash options IF it makes sense to do so. A cube gets tired if it's just two color decks all day every day. Were trying to offer enough support for people to make 3 color decks a possibility.
Remember, there is no one "correct cube". Rather it's a continuous evolution of cards/archetypes coming and going. Last year I was so hellbent on making the "perfect" cube (especially with all the resources out there) that it drove me crazy. It wasn't until about 3 months ago that I realized it's the journey not the destination that makes cube so much fun.
I make sure to keep certain cards/archetypes on the sidelines so that they may easily be reinserted into the cube if a particular change doesn't play out well.
Apr 3, 2016Posted in: The Cube ForumQuote from Aikola86 »Just this last week I got a hold of WMCQ version of Geist to replace my orignal non foil, much better artwork in my opinion.
For me, it was about 3 months ago. I like the art better as well, but as Calibretto stated, Geist has good options.
I don't know the exact statistics, but when in doubt with collectibles of almost any sort, original printings (in this case foiled) generally outweigh anything else. It's nice to buck a trend though once and awhile and hear from those people who do like alternatives.
I recently traded a couple of Goblin Guide for a judge foil Damnation. It's not a pack foil, but without having to spend money, it's a close as I was going to get and the art is the same as my non foil damnation (I don't put textless art in the cube) due to not wanting to explain cards to new players. (despite the fact that some textless cards have great art, Damnation is not one of them IMO
Mar 20, 2016TechnicolorMage posted a message on Mods please close. We have just copied and pasted into a different threadPosted in: Cube ListsQuote from CadaverousBl00m »Up to 600, right?
I need to get back to punishing this bad boy on CubeTutor.
That WAS the plan. The group balked at going quite that high, yet they want MOAR cards.....
Sigh, no one told me being a Cube Manager would be this much work.
Any yes, you do need to keep punishing this bad boy on CuteTutor....
Mar 19, 2016Name change and massive update coming. It's tough to keep this bad boy updated everywhere.Posted in: Cube Lists
Mar 19, 2016Posted in: Introduce YourselfQuote from Duxx »
Log out then log back in and you should be prompted to change you nickname.
Thanks my friend
Mar 19, 2016Posted in: Introduce YourselfQuote from Duxx »
Nickname credit issued.
Does that mean this is done or awaiting approval?
Mar 18, 2016I would like to change my name toPosted in: Introduce Yourself
Please and thank you!
Feb 23, 2016EDIT again, Were cubing, and were logged into the wrong acounts hahaha. Worst part is were not even drunk, just stupid!Posted in: Multiplayer
Seriously though, MY version of elves runs Triumph of the Hordes Joraga Warcaller and fully charged Beastmaster Ascension
I think a good card for this deck is No Mercy and Oversold Cemetery
Alright, back to cubing and losing, it's not my night
Feb 1, 2016Pile APosted in: Market Street Café
2x Eldrazi Temple RoE
1x Eye of Ugin WWK
Ugin, the spirit Dragon regular
sidisi, Undead vizier
plus cheap card
I don't need the eldrazi stuff, but I wonder if now is the time to pick up Ugin for my cube?
Jan 16, 2016Oath of the Gatewatch update:Posted in: Cube Lists
Out ------- In
Gyre Sage > Sylvan Advocate
Reassembling Skeleton > Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Awakening Zone > Oath of Nissa
Nylea, God of the Hunt > Forgotten Ancient
Mizzix's Mastery > Chandra, Flamecaller
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn > Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Lord of the Void > Dread Defiler
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth > Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Perilous Vault > Looter il-Kor
Jan 14, 2016At this point we are fine not adding the "colorless" option. I am sure we will revisit this as sets are released. I am enjoying where were at right now and don't want to mess up a good thing.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
Dec 20, 2015I really liked the new art on Tarmogoyf until I compared it to vengevine, upon which I just felt like they were to similar, (all pack art here, not sure what appears when lnked) which altered my thought process. I just can't get past the fact that they look too alike, but perhaps that's just me. I was never married to the FS art, and the frame was before my time in standard. However, that all said, I have grown to love that old FS border and now b/c the art is "harder to see" as someone put it, I actually vastly prefer it.Posted in: The Cube Forum
I never owned a Goyf till we got heavy into cubing and only recently did I pick one up. I went FS frame as it will hold it's value the best long term as well. They won't ever reprint that frame so if I must have Green's most Iconic creature, it may as well be originial
Dec 12, 2015Tons of changes. Most documented on Cube Tutor, but I think I am going to document them here going forward and just make the changes on Cube Tutor. More or less the reverse of how I have been doing it.Posted in: Cube Lists
We just played another session and it was a total blast.
A few new additions off the top of my head
The Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Ravages of War
City of Ass
In general the CMC for every color but Green came down a bit and the cube feels more balance in terms of how each color should play. Green went up and we added a few more creatures. As the power level has increased dramatically, some of the chaff has been cut.
Ulamog 2.0 is a beast and Dimir Mill is a powerhouse if left unchecked. It got ugly!
Dec 8, 2015Promo Goblin Guide for sure, not even close.Posted in: The Cube Forum
Dark Confidant meh, I find every version of the card fugly (heresy I know) but the card is from before my time, as such, I am not drawn to it the way I am with Snapcaster mage which was the iconic card from the time I started playing.
I would go with the Judge foil though just because as a foil, all that gold makes it pop out in a way that other foils do not
Nov 15, 2015Appreciate those reviews. We plan to test hard this week. Meren of Clan Nel Toth won't be tested. The others, well we expect to have similar results that your testing has shown! This is good initial news.Posted in: Cube Lists
Nov 13, 2015Sword of the Animist felt like such a great additional equipment after Jitte, batterskull and the Sword cycle. While it still fills the exact same roll it had before, is it a necessary role in an MP environment? I think it is clearly outclassed by Blade of Selves but perhaps that isn't fair. There is only so much room. I cut bonehoard for blade of Selves but with Power and a ton of artifact ramp, was bonehoard was the wrong cut, especially since I support Dimir Mill heavily?Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
Nov 11, 2015C15 First Round Update: IE, no brainer additions:Posted in: Cube Lists
In --> Out
Fiery Confluence - Rolling Earthquake
Mystic Confluence - Evacuation
Grasp of Fate - Quarantine Field
Blade of Selves - Bonehoard
still looking at adding more cards from C15 but we want to do it in stages to lessen the variables
Nov 11, 2015Cards which we think have potential in our Powered MP Cube:Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
First Tier: No testing required.
Grasp of Fate - Will replace quarantine field which we just put in as well at the expense of banishing light
Fiery Confluence Each mode is highly relevant especially in our Powered cube. Were probably dropping a Red "X" spell for this.
Blade of Selves - Card will only get better (and it's busted now) as WotC prints off more ETB creatures. This card is a beast.
Second Tier Light testing required.
Mystic Confluence - We don't run Cryptic Command b/c of the UUU cost. This is easier to cast, albeit later. We may add both.
Mizzix's Mastery - 8 mana isn't an issue in our cube. I feel like our Spells Matter deck could use this, although it does require some set up.
Skullwinder - I like this card, my group is lukewarm on too many of these effects. Not sure what to cut for it either?
Arachnogenesis - One shot deals in MP need to be strong, this has real potential to be a blow out. We shall test and see.
Third Tier: Massive Testing required
Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest - Seems powerful if you run a sacrifice theme and we do, but our Golgari section is tight and this is going to need to really impress to make it in
Corpse Augur - I like scaling cards which are splashable and cards that give you something when they die. Not sure what will be cut for testing?
Mizzix of the Izmagnus - Our Izzet guild is tight at 4CC and this card is quite niche. That said, Izzet has room at higher CC's to drop a card, so were looking at it.
Bloodspore Thrinax - We support tokens, we support counters, our 4CC in G is a bit soft. This will be tested.
Karlov of the Ghost Council - Silly with Vizkopa guildmage but we did remove most of our lifegain and extort package so unsure just how good this is.
Nov 10, 2015All the Colors are now updated. Still working on Land/Colorless and Gold cards.Posted in: Cube Lists
Will be doing the Commander 2015 update soon
Nov 3, 2015Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
I like City of Ass. We also tried Blacker Lotus and Rare-B-Gone. Instead of tearing it into pieces we exiled it but it was too much of a gimmick. We found Rare-B-Gone to be pretty powerful as well but ultimately we cut it. It certainly hits a lot of targets.
Ironically, I tried it because I saw it in your cube!
Oh and H20,
I agree on both of those new cards for our cube. They both look very appealing. Speaking of which, this weekend after you guys nerd out on Battletech
Oct 30, 2015Updated white and blue sections to reflect the numerous changes we have been making. Too many to list, cards coming and going. However, once I get the other colors changed, I will record the changes each time they happen as the cube has settled into something we all appear happy to play test aggressively.Posted in: Cube Lists
This list is still a work in progress, but Cube Tutor is always up to date. Draft it in my signature below for something different
Oct 21, 2015Posted in: The Cube ForumQuote from cuttups »
I always think about the quote about how people talk about accepting all skin colors "white, black, blue, green, whatever" and how people consider black skin to be as common as green skin for a person and what that says about them as people. To be fair, there could never be a blue snapcaster mage as it is clearly a human and not a vedalkan.
The point of your comment is what? This person is not a good person? Or an alleged racist because he legitimately thought it was odd that the reprinted Snappy is black when the original appeared white to him? In the Magic world it would appear that green skin is as common as white skin, so whats the problem here? There are a lot of types of "things" in Magic, let's leave it at that.
I can accept that the Michael Jackson reference might not have been the best way to make his point, but lets not start painting people as intolerant or racist just because you think that "green white purple, etc" all the sudden means he's a backwards individual and a white supremacist.
Oct 14, 2015TechnicolorMage posted a message on 2015 Multiplayer Power Rankings - Colourless (Done!)My vote:Posted in: Multiplayer
Oct 7, 2015Our MP cube experience with P9 and Eldrazi added last night for fun, was awesome. We have lots of answers but you still have to have them when the time comes. Perhaps it comes down to the experience you want. When I want to play tight competitive magic, I will do regular cubing with a different playgroup because that's the experience I am looking for. When we break out the MP cube, it's to have crazy swingy games. *****ty cards like Quicksilver amulet are an actual blast to play with. A card like Show and Tell which is killer in duels, "sucks" in MP, but really it's just "more fair" and adds an unknown factor to the outcome.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
YMMV of course and you need to know thy playgroup, but sometimes I think cubers have tunnel vision that actually can hamper their enjoyment.
Oct 6, 20151) Sylvan PrimordialPosted in: Multiplayer
2) Primeval Titan
3) Lurking Predators
4) Doubling Season
5) Eternal Witness
6) Genesis Wave
7) Survival of the Fittest
8) Natural Order
9) Green Sun's Zenith
Hopefully in before the results
Oct 3, 2015Well we talked about Wrath of God but let's talk about DamnationPosted in: The Cube Forum
Pack foil or Judge? Which would you rather as I assume those are the PIMP ones
Also, Hanna, Ship's Navigator I know the card is big in EDH, what do people think of the Judge foil. Feels like it would be a good fit in our MP cube
Oct 3, 2015Posted in: The Cube ForumQuote from _i0 »What part of drawing mana from your plains to cast a spell called "Wrath of God" to send all your opponent's devils and goblins to the graveyard without a chance for regeneration ISN'T cartoonish?
Point taken. I guess some old art just doesn't resonate with me. I find art from some of the old sets just not to my liking. That being said, there is plenty of new art which I also don't like. Personal taste I guess
Oct 3, 2015Portal Wrath of God I can understand, but uggggh, really on the Quinton Hoover art.... Is it nostalgia for you old timers? 10th edition art feels far more appropriate, the others are so cartoonish, even the Portal one.Posted in: The Cube Forum
Oct 3, 2015Funny, $400 for a Beta must have slipped my mind just starting out Admittedly, I would likely be happy with a 10th Edition foil as I really like the art. We currently have the revised edition and everyone in the group can't stand the art, most hate the white border as well. The promo foil seems ok but not greatPosted in: The Cube Forum
Oct 2, 2015Finally an update to the cube. There have been a few on Cube Tutor which is always up to date. Here are the white changes, other colors to come as time allowsPosted in: Cube Lists
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
Knight of the White Orchid
Syndic of Tithes
Chained to the Rocks
Entreat the Angels
Wall of Omens
Mangara of Corondor
Michiko konda, Truth Seeker
Wall of Reverence
Archon of Justice
Soul of Theros
Secure the Wastes
Oct 2, 2015Thanks all. I guess I fall into the old border category. It looks clean and simple and when the cards are dead mint, IMO they look beautifuPosted in: The Cube Forum
I really love the look of old black cards with the "dirty yellow" color in the card text.
Oct 2, 2015Quick question regarding borders of cards. I quite like borders from Legions and Scourge era. Are these considered the Old Border? Also, does anyone have any info as to when these types of borders changed either into this border and/or after this border.Posted in: The Cube Forum
I ask since I only started playing in M12 but I have come to own cards from virtually every era of the game, but aside from Legacy staples, I have not really paid attention to the chronological timeline of Magic and I am quite ignorant of when changes to card design occurred.
I never really paid attention to the card borders but I keep hearing about them and preferences and now I understand a little bit more then I did, but I am still trying to wrap my head around the whole thing
Thanks in advance.
Sep 27, 2015I know, I know. With all the play testing, trading, work and sports on TV I don't have time to update the list as fast as I would like.Posted in: Cube Lists
On a fun note, I just acquired a WMCQ Geist for our cube. It's pretty
YOU should update the damn cube, all you do is goof around while working at the hospital
Sep 27, 2015TechnicolorMage posted a message on Expensive in the past, but pennies now - what cards belong here?Big time plummet...... Stifle still $7 for Scourge, but it was over $20 for quite some timePosted in: Market Street Café
Sep 18, 2015Gals:Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
We have tried to incorporate a little bit of each player in our groups playing styles. However, this group (other than myself) and to a lessor degree H20, HATES combo. Perhaps we will take it out and just allow people to put 1/2 tokens into play instead of infinite. I was worried if I removed the combo, Kiki-jiki Mirror Breaker would lose his shine It's probably not a bad theory to apply. The boys just made a beer run after drinking all of mine. Good thing there is a brewery two blocks away
I feel like every time we draft, the list changes
Is your list for multiplayer, because going through it, I see some fun cards.
Sep 10, 2015Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype DiscussionQuote from Galspanic »I've compared my EDH Cube to some of the local normal Cubes and the differences aren't huge. If I cut 160 cards from mine to make it 540 and the swap around about 150 cards they'll be really similar.
This is also very true. It's just that true aggro doesn't exist in MP, and Strict control is very difficult.
Two cubes, two different playgroups, twice the fun for me. Thankfully it's not twice the cost
Sep 10, 2015Posted in: Cube ListsCubeTutor visual spoiler: http://www.cubetutor.com/visualspoiler/36742
Cube Size: 600 cards.
Breakdown: 70 of each colour, 49 artifact, 152 multicoloured (includes 5 cycles of mana fixing and a cycle of signets)
Standard or Theme: Standard Multiplayer FFA
Snow Lands: None at this time.
Average Number of Players: Always 4 but sometimes up to 8
How Often Drafted: Bi-Weekly
Proxies: Not many, but there are a couple floating around as we make trades or purchase the real version
Powered: Oh Yeah!
Portal: None but not opposed to inclusion.
"Un" Cards: One City of Ass
Banned Cards for Power-Level: None.
Banned Cards for Time Constraints: None.
Banned Cards for "fun" factor: None.
Standard or Multiplayer: Multiplayer FFA
Sideboards?: None. We maindeck our hate!
Perfect Creature/Spell Balance: It's a work in progress.
Gold Balance: Yes, Currently 15 of each color with two Shards having a single card
Perfectly Balanced CMC: Probably not but we strive to get there.
So... why this particular Cube?
This playgroup averages 4-8 players, generally on the lower end. We exclusively play free-for-all Multiplayer games when cubing. Power levels and budgets are all over the place. This Cube addresses the imbalance in budget and power levels, while creating an environment where everyone has an equal opportunity to win. My playgroup has a wide range of playing styles. We are trying to incorporate at least one archetype from each player so they feel like their needs are met by the cube. We don't allow infinite, so although there may be infinite possibilities, we enforce a one time through (all possible combinations) otherwise a couple of people get salty.
Come draft a fun MP cube in the link below!
CubeTutor list: http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/36742
As promised, here are the contents of our cube Starting first with White and working our way through the rest of the colors, artifacts, and lands. WiP so please be patient
Sep 10, 2015Can I ask why you prefer painlands to checklands in a regular cube. I rarely have issues with checklands CiPT? Am I missing something? In multiplayer it's a no brainerPosted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
I agree with wtwlf assessment of the card choices. I find all three of those simic choices very "deck" dependent though.
Sep 10, 2015Posted in: Market Street Café
Appreciate the opinion. I went ahead and made the trade as I needed the other cards for cubing.
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