I don't recall you asking me directly but I do believe it can be townie if that is who you most believe to be scum. In the event that it was coming to a no lynch I would move to prevent that. I actually think it's less likely for scum to just park a vote. They would need to remain fluid.
I didn't ask you because you're obviously going to be biased since you did it. I was hoping for an outside opinion that's not just you telling me you think you're town for something you did.
It seems more -EV for scum IMO. So it might make you town?
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Why is pushing to solve me and Tau bad in your opinion?
Because solving you guys means one or both of you have to die. Which, since I have various levels of townreads on the two of you, I disagree with. If you are both town, or you're town (since both Tubba and Kami were leaning towards you scum Tau town) then scum!Tubba and scum!Kami get one/two dead town. Although in the latter case, if Tauslot is scum and they stop pushing after town!you dies then that's suspect.
Question: What do you think of Tubba/Kami's scumread of you over Tau? Are they being fair about it? Are either of them trying to force a scumread instead of it being natural? Something along those lines?
Anak: Why Kami over Tubba, given Tubba's similar thoughts towards solving EtR/Tau?
GJ: Re: 1715: Wait. Are you still doubting me? This reads like you still think I'm lying.
I can't fault someone for buying in to all the bluster from Tau initially. I've disliked Kami's read as he was too sure, but I actually think it makes him more likely to be town. I feel like scum would have been more measured. Since I know that I'm going to flip town, I don't see why scum would be THAT adamant.
For Tubba, he's pushing it from a different direction. It feels more like trying to push a lynch than trying to solve a problem. (not that Kami was trying to solve a problem)
First, I'm going to be V/LA this week. I forgot about posting it. I'll be available tonight and tomorrow, but Thurs-Sun I will be at minimum Limited in Access if not completely away.
Also Vaimes, what do you mean when you said you "want to" put GJ over Tau?
@EtR, why do you assume LW was the kill, instead of LW protecting successfully?
The telegraphing of the power role all day yesterday. I don't think based on the way things stood yesterday that anyone was a clear enough shot for LW to accurately predict the shot. I could be wrong, but the easiest answer is that they just shot LW.
@Vaimes, most likely scum on the wagon is between you, Tubba, kami and Rod. You didn't seem to care who the lynch was yesterday (of the three people you listed, two of them were the likely wagons anyways), Rod had a lazy jump and tried to push me for some asinine reason he pulled out of... a hat, Tubba has been somewhat floaty and non-committal, and Kami pretty much focused on Tau/EtR to the exclusion of everything else.
Vote kami I didn't listen to dead townies enough in Secret Agent mafia.
My biggest issue with EtR at the moment is the fact that he parked his vote on Rhand basically all day. That's why I asked whether that was a town or scum thing to do to park a vote on a townie all day.
I mean, theoretically, town are less likely to do that I would think? Scum would wanna put their votes where they can be the most useful. Parking it on someone who's pressure stopped being a thing at at least one point Yesterday seems like a wasted vote that's not like... actively helping his team?
I don't recall you asking me directly but I do believe it can be townie if that is who you most believe to be scum. In the event that it was coming to a no lynch I would move to prevent that. I actually think it's less likely for scum to just park a vote. They would need to remain fluid.
Lngrrr I'm giving a bit of slack for irl sickness but I'm not seeing scumminess that merits the level of attention he's been getting.
Kami I really dislike the way he's been pushing to solve EtR and Tauslot. There was something else I think but I'm not at a computer right now so I can't look.
Why is pushing to solve me and Tau bad in your opinion?
@KJ I'm confused by your statement of "Similarly, if EtR is Mafia, then he handled that really well. It's easier to assume he's not than assume he handled that in probably the best way he could. I just... can't see that being the case." when he's claiming he made a mistake in how he handled it (incorrectly signaling his targets). I can understand the argument that the way he handled it is townie, I can't really see an argument for he handled it in best practice for either alignment.
Not best practice so much as I'm just kind of incredulous that scum!EtR reacts like that instead of many more likely ways. Also I'm townreading him for making that mistake, if you'll recall.
Vez: I know you aren't individually townreading Grape but Grape does have a point... You seem to be hardtownreading me and that means that Grape is town. Leaving him off the town list has no purpose. Does that mean you're gonna try to lynch him if I'm still alive later? Like, scumreading Grape doesn't mesh with a townread on me at all.
Also, the reason I initially started scumreading you is you townread me too easily, and felt like you were too... appease-y. Just to put that out there.
%%%
Where are all the other people? Come on guys.
That's not the point. I fully agree that grape is town. I just don't read him as town on post analysis. He isn't off my town list, he is actually at the top. He is simply not being read as town.
Like there's a clear distinction in my head between people I'm reading in some way through analysis and what roles say about people. I wouldn't lynch grape at all unless it's proven by someone else that you aren't saying the truth.
You're also pretty ******* easy to read. You were one of the first townreads I got during my read of the game. I was also not in the game from the beginning so I don't really know why you think I should develop all my reads during the game when there was already a ton of content before I even had a chance to post. Maybe I'll re-evaluate late, but some reads are just that easy to make.
Vote Vez If you believe Grape is town and wouldn't lynch him, it really doesn't make sense, in my opinion to not include him in your Town list.
I've decided that I don't know how to read Vaimes. I couldn't in GB and I can't here. Any recommended reading?
This is where I'm at now. I'm going to do my best to review even if I can't make a good post the next few days.
@EtR Shouldn't my status depend on KJ's and not the other way around? Can you give me a bit more detail on Vaimes and Mindreaver.
You're right, I guess it could actually go either way. If you are scum, that doesn't make KJ town, but it makes him less likely to be scum. If you are town, it doesn't move the needle either way. If KJ is scum you could be either. If KJ is town, same thing. So really I guess there is nothing that can be drawn from either flip from a true analysis standpoint.
What are you wondering about Vaimes and Mind? Are you looking for specific quotes?
I strongly disagree with your KJ analysis. If he flips scum then you can't fully draw conclusions about me, but it strongly suggests I'm scum. If he flips town and his role says that he learns the alignment of 1 player on N0 you know for a fact I'm town. If I were to flip scum it would say KJ isn't town, but my flipping town says nothing about his alignment.
Hey do i have enough towncred/a good enough reputation/whatever to just say "lets lynch gj and if he flips town i personally take all the blame and you can lynch me tomorrow"?
Not saying I'm there, ive only been skimming since i went v/la and would want to do my due dilligence and maybe figure out how to articulate it in some kind of way that makes sense to people other than me if it still holds but...
Currently what im feeling pretty strongly
I kinda like Johnny here, you’d need to make a case and stand behind it for me to consider it.
@LnGrr
This pretty necromantic, but I felt like GJ siccing D_V on Grape was very null. It didn’t seem like a real push.
@EtR
Who do you agree with on my towniness? I seem pretty high in your list for having no posts that you like.
@EtR Shouldn't my status depend on KJ's and not the other way around? Can you give me a bit more detail on Vaimes and Mindreaver.
You're right, I guess it could actually go either way. If you are scum, that doesn't make KJ town, but it makes him less likely to be scum. If you are town, it doesn't move the needle either way. If KJ is scum you could be either. If KJ is town, same thing. So really I guess there is nothing that can be drawn from either flip from a true analysis standpoint.
What are you wondering about Vaimes and Mind? Are you looking for specific quotes?
This quote is from Rhand's 1245 where he breaks down D_V's case on him:
This is not true. I voted EtR for a very different (granted bad) reason: I thought he botched his claim. That had nothing to do with me deciding there’s a dichotomy, and I don’t think there is.
Turns out he didn’t botch his claim, and I did unvote when I realized my wrongness. (this happens after DV’s case though)
How did you figure I botched my claim? You really just threw shade. You also mention in your wrap up that you believe Tau and I are T/T. Can you explain where/how you got to that conclusion?
I've done some re-reading and as GJ has correctly pointed out, I'm not doing a lot of hunting. My vote is presently on the person that I most believe is to be scum. I'm at a loss at this point without a flip though. I need some concrete information. I'm really liking Vez's few catch up posts.
Like, at this point everyone is just going back and forth.
Thoughts
Tubba: I haven't like his posts but I'm willing to barn those that are town reading him presently.
Grape: I still haven't loved his posts but without a counter claim of some sort, will leave him as town
KA: Lean town. As I said in my vote review, I don't know how he can be so confident about me and yet so wrong without being town.
Reverb: Null read. Gambit leans town trying to trap dumb scum, but I don't have a lot to say beyond that.
LW: Town: I've gone back and forth on this one, but overall, I've liked the posts. Specifically the arguments with other players. The frustration reads as true.
EtR: Town
Rodemy: Very different play from Ghostbusters. Feels town.
D_V: I think D_V is bringing something very different than in GB, but not in a way that feels bad. I like this D_V for town.
Vaimes: Lean scum. I'm not getting a lot of positive vibes from his reads and the most recent back and forth with LW did not feel super townie.
Mind: Neutral - I don't see what everyone else does here. Nothing from Mind has specifically thrown me off but I'm willing to accept that my read is wrong. Like all of my reads in GB.
KJ: My KJ read is completely dependent on Grape's status. The idea that we have a Godfather in a mafia flavor game is something though.
Rhand: Scum
GJ: Lean town. I've disagreed with his reads, but nothing that I can't see from a town perspective
LngRrRrR: Scum. I believe that there are a lot of posts that read as disingenuous.
Vez: so far town. Ruma was so far removed that I never really established a good read on him so this is dependant wholly on the Vez read.
Can someone explain me why I’m the leading wagon? I know DV had this weird scumread and EtR voted me for my vote on him, but I have no idea why anyone else is voting me.
If I somehow end up getting lynched with GJ early or convinced on my wagon, lynch GJ next please.
What an exceptionally handwavy way to regard my vote. Even if that was your initial takeaway, I went through all of your posts and pointed out what else I felt was bad.
I will need to replace
My apologies to everyone for not holding up my end. I hope to join you all again soon.
I can't fault someone for buying in to all the bluster from Tau initially. I've disliked Kami's read as he was too sure, but I actually think it makes him more likely to be town. I feel like scum would have been more measured. Since I know that I'm going to flip town, I don't see why scum would be THAT adamant.
For Tubba, he's pushing it from a different direction. It feels more like trying to push a lynch than trying to solve a problem. (not that Kami was trying to solve a problem)
The telegraphing of the power role all day yesterday. I don't think based on the way things stood yesterday that anyone was a clear enough shot for LW to accurately predict the shot. I could be wrong, but the easiest answer is that they just shot LW.
My case on him is here I mostly believed that he was hedging on everything and his jump onto my wagon was really weak.
Can you demonstrate this via quotes?
I don't recall you asking me directly but I do believe it can be townie if that is who you most believe to be scum. In the event that it was coming to a no lynch I would move to prevent that. I actually think it's less likely for scum to just park a vote. They would need to remain fluid.
Why is pushing to solve me and Tau bad in your opinion?
Vote Vez If you believe Grape is town and wouldn't lynch him, it really doesn't make sense, in my opinion to not include him in your Town list.
I've decided that I don't know how to read Vaimes. I couldn't in GB and I can't here. Any recommended reading?
This is where I'm at now. I'm going to do my best to review even if I can't make a good post the next few days.
If he flips scum, it’s WIFOM.
The list isn’t in a particular order.
You're right, I guess it could actually go either way. If you are scum, that doesn't make KJ town, but it makes him less likely to be scum. If you are town, it doesn't move the needle either way. If KJ is scum you could be either. If KJ is town, same thing. So really I guess there is nothing that can be drawn from either flip from a true analysis standpoint.
What are you wondering about Vaimes and Mind? Are you looking for specific quotes?
This is not true. I voted EtR for a very different (granted bad) reason: I thought he botched his claim. That had nothing to do with me deciding there’s a dichotomy, and I don’t think there is.
Turns out he didn’t botch his claim, and I did unvote when I realized my wrongness. (this happens after DV’s case though)
How did you figure I botched my claim? You really just threw shade. You also mention in your wrap up that you believe Tau and I are T/T. Can you explain where/how you got to that conclusion?
Like, at this point everyone is just going back and forth.
Thoughts
Tubba: I haven't like his posts but I'm willing to barn those that are town reading him presently.
Grape: I still haven't loved his posts but without a counter claim of some sort, will leave him as town
KA: Lean town. As I said in my vote review, I don't know how he can be so confident about me and yet so wrong without being town.
Reverb: Null read. Gambit leans town trying to trap dumb scum, but I don't have a lot to say beyond that.
LW: Town: I've gone back and forth on this one, but overall, I've liked the posts. Specifically the arguments with other players. The frustration reads as true.
EtR: Town
Rodemy: Very different play from Ghostbusters. Feels town.
D_V: I think D_V is bringing something very different than in GB, but not in a way that feels bad. I like this D_V for town.
Vaimes: Lean scum. I'm not getting a lot of positive vibes from his reads and the most recent back and forth with LW did not feel super townie.
Mind: Neutral - I don't see what everyone else does here. Nothing from Mind has specifically thrown me off but I'm willing to accept that my read is wrong. Like all of my reads in GB.
KJ: My KJ read is completely dependent on Grape's status. The idea that we have a Godfather in a mafia flavor game is something though.
Rhand: Scum
GJ: Lean town. I've disagreed with his reads, but nothing that I can't see from a town perspective
LngRrRrR: Scum. I believe that there are a lot of posts that read as disingenuous.
Vez: so far town. Ruma was so far removed that I never really established a good read on him so this is dependant wholly on the Vez read.
I don’t mind your posts. It’s at least encouraging folks to talk.
What an exceptionally handwavy way to regard my vote. Even if that was your initial takeaway, I went through all of your posts and pointed out what else I felt was bad.
Feel better dude.
Exactly. I could have been more clear. My bad.