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I wouldn't pay 10$ for them. The black marks just ruin it for me. Some people will pay more, sure. You can't really get them appraised as everyone will put a different value on it.
Perhaps not completely tap out but by using 4-6 mana for a threat you will be down a lot of resource in your opponents turn.
Also, every card your opponent draws is another card less to mill for win. In the mirror the most effective and less risky way to win the game is by drownyards. Playing a threat is a risky play and a better opponent will definately capitalize on that.
I guess I'm just playing against nothing but terrible opponents, because playing a threat seems to win me the game.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but if not, I wouldn't be suprised. I've not met many people who can play UB well. Against bad U/B players I just wait till they play something and drop a grave titan or something stupid next turn so I can end the round before 45minutes. Being bad is really punishing for U/B.
I love how most assume that U/B control v U/B control always has to turn into a "counter war".
With surgical extractions, bloodline keepers, liliana's, and now jace in the sideboard, this MU can turn into anything but a "counter war".
There is nothing wrong with playing a tapout style of game against the mirror in my opinion if your hand / sideboard calls for it. And yes, Jace is highly highly effective in this MU playing that sort of style. Turn 3 - Lili (countered) - T4 BK countered - T5 Jace.. they wont always have the counter by then, especially if you have teh extractions to make sure.
And yes, I *do* really know the mu, and sort of agree with Eizel on his points, if not his tone in getting them across.
Turn 3 Lili, T4 BK and T5 Jace is not playing U/B Control, it's some odd tempo style deck. I'll explain the match up at the end because people don't know what they are talking about.
I play 2 jace becausse i want to resolve my 2 USZ.
Occasionally, jace resolves, and i then win the game.
jace is extremely powerful in the ub v ub matchup. And the scenario comes up VERY frequently. Opponent plays a threat ala lord of lineage. i have 2 mana leaks in hand, i mana leak him, and he still has enough mana to pay for my mana leak and hold up mana leak/negate or even dissipate.
my turn. I cast jace, he dissipates/negates or something. i mana leak. resolve jace. i immediately 0 jace, next turn he almost HAS to attack jace. delaying his lord flip, and i get to 0 jace one more time. sure i need to answer his lord, but i just got 2 turns where he essentially was time walked, answering my jace. i got to mill him 20 cards, and maybe i was able to keep him around to mill for a solid 30... if you mill 20 cards and are able to untap on an empty board. you are definitely ahead in the ub mirror.
worst case scenario, i don't resolve jace, but now i can untap and usz myself for a billion.
Thank you for proving my point of it only working if playing against bad players. Without a threat there is absolutely no reason for your opponent to do that.
I find it ironic that you spout off about how people don't understand the mirror match when you make posts like this. If you have more Drownyards out than your opponent, or you have pressure on the board in some form, at some stage they will be forced to spend mana on their turn to attempt to resolve a threat. They can not sit there and do nothing while they're behind in the game.
The point of Jace, Grave Titan, Bloodline Keeper, or any other threat that you bring in is so that you have a follow up play to seal the deal when you force your opponent into this position. It's not there to slap down on turn 5 and hope it wins you the game. If your opponent can fight a counter war on their turn, lose, and then you just untap and say go, that was a complete waste of winning the war.
Now this just goes completely against what you said.
So, you force your opponent into making a play by using drownyards. Okay.
You win the counterwar as your opponent has less mana than you do. Okay
Then that is usually game by continueing to use drownyards. NOT tap out for something to give your opponent a chance to get back in the game.
Please stop trying to tell people they've 'never played the mirror' and talking as if you're an expert on the game, because clearly, you're not.
What exactly constitutes to an expert? I may not be an expert but that surely means there are very little experts in Australia. Maybe next time you're in QLD I can give you a game and teach you how to really play U/B, free of charge of course.
Sorry, but that doesn't work.I was looking for something more along the lines of "Turn 1 I have a 5/5 haste, double strike, and infect" (or at least something that will guarantee you win regardless of what your opponent is running, disregarding cards like gut shot or mental misstep), not "I mill my opponent perfectly and they instantly lose". Try to keep it within your own deck. Act as if your opponent does nothing but draw, go, and that you don't have to rely on them milling the perfect cards for your deck.
tl;dr: Don't rely on your opponent's deck to win.
Nothing in the thread is going to work, it's all just funny situations that have an extremely low probability to occur.
This is what magic is like now, creatures only viable if they have a spell attatched!
But there is no creature with flash with a fog effect apart from Snapcaster+Fog as Sauceman said.
Trashtalking people on magic online is a complete and utter waste of time.
(just like this thread has been for me for a couple of minutes to take a break from work)
It's not a waste of time for me or why would I do it? It's fun.
for the people that like to trashtalk
Keep 2 things in mind:
1. A lot of players don't bother checking the chat thing or just minimize it. (or they are also doing other stuff)
2. A lot of people can't understand what you are typing even if they WOULD check the chat (because face it, the world is a wee bit bigger than native english speakers and you don't need a complete grasp of the language to be able to play magic online)
To the people that might worry about getting trashtalked, like pointed out here by others, don't take the bait and just play your game.
Besides, magic online has quite a lot of tools to help you with this (minimize chat window, block users, report players for violation of code of conduct, the orcs ..)
Makes me think you don't really know what I'm talking about.
Im from Philly so yeah glad you picked up on that.
To the AngelsRNG mega post, realize that what is rude or trash talking to one person might be nothing to the next. I guess only your opinion matters, but since the OP was talking about Rude behavior, it is interesting to see what people think Rude behavior is. This is why we have harassment lawsuits, cause someone thinks their behavior is acceptable while someone else finds it offensive.
The problem with online is knowing the true meaning behind what someone is saying/typing. When your playing some random person you've never built a relationship even the most minor of things can be looked at as rude. I was watching a stream the other night, and someone who lost in an 8-4 draft said good luck to the streamer and he went off about who RUDE it was to say something like that cause cause he played with skill not luck? Than the streamer followers were typing in chat, no you idiot he was wishing you good luck in the finals.
So yeah, I did read the OP part and my replies were more about what people see as trash talking. Whining about a loss can be just as much trash talking as a bad winner. The post was about how we treat each other online versus than how we treat each other in say the environment of a LSG face to face. Cause I know if half the stuff said to me on MTGO was ever said to me or others in the LSGs I play at someone would be bleeding.
Okay. So violence okay but whining or trash talking is okay. Suprising that I get called immature in this thread.
You know, to be honest, I could not care less if after trash talking my opponent laughs and joins in or is actually hurt by my comments. I really don't mind, I just find most of the passive aggressive behavior on MTGO to actually bewilder me(The ones that say "lucker" "Great top deck" etc etc). I don't understand these people at all.
ITT: People who don't understand people who can have fun in a different way to themselves.
I don't mind certain elements of trash talk... I play Pauper Burn almost exclusively; and I get raged on all the time for playing a "no skill" deck; or a "little kid" deck.... I find a person raging to be hilarious. I can say that I've only done it back when I feel someone is toying with me when they can easliy win (which doesn't happen often).
What bothers me more than trash talking or raging is the sly insult disguised as a compliment. Or when they GG you, and when you GG them back - they make a rude remark....
Example of both in one:
I have a Kiln Fiend down against a post player who's at 7 life...
I have 2 cards in hand; he has 6...
He taps out all his mana to play a mulldrifter and drops a Glimmerpost (assuming he drew it off the mulldrifter) he goes to 10 life...
On my turn - I draw a mountain and play it; chain lightning his mulldrifter, and fireblast him for 4; and with a 7/2 Kiln Fiend - I hit him for lethal..
Before that happens he says:
Him: Wow, GG
Me: GG
Him: Amazing Top Decks (this is what i mean by "insults disguised as compliments.")
Me: Thanks, but I've drawn 2 straight mountains. I was just waiting for you to tap out.
Him: Yeah, whatever, you're so lucky.
I bit my tongue and just kept on... This happened a month ago though, and it still bothers me. And I've been raged on plenty since then; and can't remember what any of them said.
So... That type of trash talk (the weak kind) - is what gets to me. I can handle a person cursing me out all day... That amuses me....
Everyone in the thread should stop writing like a hurt child and read this post.
Also, for anyone that has played enough online games to realise that saying GG is now a negative thing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ
Wait, you don't socially interact with people on the internet? Someone should tell Facebook to shut their doors, then, since their whole business model is based on what seems to be a false premise.
Facebook, at least for myself, is only people I have met in real life. Not random people on the internet that I couldn't care less for.
If someone who is every friday at my FNM died, I'd be saddened. The same applies to forum regulars I interact with (and it has happened a few times in the history of this very site).
Ok, fair enough. I get the whole forum regulars that you interact with positively I understand.
If a friend who goes to FNM with me died, I'd be devastated. The same applies to every friend I have made in these forums, even if I've never met some of them in person.
No just a coward. You freely admit to acting out when there can be no consequences, and reserving yourself in fear when there can be. This makes you a coward.
Also, MTGO is played on real computers by real people, making you a douche in real life. There is no differentiating it.
The fact that you are only a douche when you can get away with it makes you a grade A coward. Have fun with that. But stop fooling yourself.
As if I call people names on the internet it makes me a coward and a douche? Isn't that what you just did to me? I really think you should think about a coherent argument before you post on the forums. It just makes you look rather angry at the topic with no real basis as to why.
People do make it bother them, that's one of the things that makes it fun, that people are immature enough to get angry over this. Another thing that makes it fun is when people also enjoy it and do it back.
If trash talking affects you unduly, you're probably taking the game too seriously or have inferiority issues that flare up when people give you a ribbing. Being passive aggressive on someone when you get lucky and win is way more antisocial than just expressing modest amusement to their tirades, especially if you actually think you're the better player. No one likes a snarky, uptight dbag and you come off like a nerdy hall monitor type with no friends. Just laugh it off and you'll not only look like the better man, it's a classier way to live in general.
This, 1000 times.
Also thanks to GR for keeping the conversation here civil. Some people just don't like what other people say if it's of a different opinion.
2-Nice Staff
3-Good inventory
4-Cheap events (for Australia)
5-It's over a Pizza joint and a Pie Shop. And a sushi shop around the corner.
I think he means the style of control deck called draw-go.
I don't use any house rules really. Sometimes if we both Mul to 6 we both just draw 7.
^This
This card is very underrated.
Also, every card your opponent draws is another card less to mill for win. In the mirror the most effective and less risky way to win the game is by drownyards. Playing a threat is a risky play and a better opponent will definately capitalize on that.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but if not, I wouldn't be suprised. I've not met many people who can play UB well. Against bad U/B players I just wait till they play something and drop a grave titan or something stupid next turn so I can end the round before 45minutes. Being bad is really punishing for U/B.
Turn 3 Lili, T4 BK and T5 Jace is not playing U/B Control, it's some odd tempo style deck. I'll explain the match up at the end because people don't know what they are talking about.
Thank you for proving my point of it only working if playing against bad players. Without a threat there is absolutely no reason for your opponent to do that.
I agree.
Now this just goes completely against what you said.
So, you force your opponent into making a play by using drownyards. Okay.
You win the counterwar as your opponent has less mana than you do. Okay
Then that is usually game by continueing to use drownyards. NOT tap out for something to give your opponent a chance to get back in the game.
What exactly constitutes to an expert? I may not be an expert but that surely means there are very little experts in Australia. Maybe next time you're in QLD I can give you a game and teach you how to really play U/B, free of charge of course.
I thought that was just me, Geistflame gets my vote too
Cool card, everything else has been addressed though. I think that it's the clear Winner.
This post is 100% fact and has no bias at all.
Nothing in the thread is going to work, it's all just funny situations that have an extremely low probability to occur.
But there is no creature with flash with a fog effect apart from Snapcaster+Fog as Sauceman said.
It's not a waste of time for me or why would I do it? It's fun.
Cool?
Makes me think you don't really know what I'm talking about.
Okay. So violence okay but whining or trash talking is okay. Suprising that I get called immature in this thread.
You know, to be honest, I could not care less if after trash talking my opponent laughs and joins in or is actually hurt by my comments. I really don't mind, I just find most of the passive aggressive behavior on MTGO to actually bewilder me(The ones that say "lucker" "Great top deck" etc etc). I don't understand these people at all.
ITT: People who don't understand people who can have fun in a different way to themselves.
Everyone in the thread should stop writing like a hurt child and read this post.
Also, for anyone that has played enough online games to realise that saying GG is now a negative thing,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ
Facebook, at least for myself, is only people I have met in real life. Not random people on the internet that I couldn't care less for.
Ok, fair enough. I get the whole forum regulars that you interact with positively I understand.
As would I.
Okay let me ask you a question, if I were to die, right now, would you care?
If not, your post is moot as a reply to my previous post.
As if I call people names on the internet it makes me a coward and a douche? Isn't that what you just did to me? I really think you should think about a coherent argument before you post on the forums. It just makes you look rather angry at the topic with no real basis as to why.
People do make it bother them, that's one of the things that makes it fun, that people are immature enough to get angry over this. Another thing that makes it fun is when people also enjoy it and do it back.
I don't really know what this contributes, but I'd attribute that reply to a young adolescent if that was said to me online.
This, 1000 times.
Also thanks to GR for keeping the conversation here civil. Some people just don't like what other people say if it's of a different opinion.
That's why I said usually