There is nothing broken about Jund. I hate the deck, but it's not because it's broken; it's because it's so incredibly boring. I play Bant, and I think Jund is boring. That says a lot. Every deck in the format has a fighting chance against Jund, it's just a matter of efficiency and probability. When you're running a deck with access to nearly all of the most efficient cards in the format (bob, bolt, goyf), you're going to win a lot. None of those cards is broken.
Decks that are truly degenerate? None, really, in this format. If Storm still had access to some of its key bans, or if Infect-shoal was still a deck, we could talk about broken.
There are a couple of cards that do relatively degenerate things, though, and those should be discussed. One is Unburial Rites. Too easy to get such a powerful spell in the yard. One could say Gifts, arguably the "engine," is the problem, but, honestly, allowing any deck running a Plains to reanimate Iona or Elesh Norn is just weird. Who greenlit this stupid thing?
Another card worth consideration is probably Delver of Secrets. I am going to catch flak for that, I know, and it has been discussed, but I feel that if Nacatl can be banned, delver can be banned. Nacatl is turned on with shocklands--sucking some life from the controller, and requiring a Naya/x build. Delver is BLUE. Such an aggressive card (in some ways more aggressive than nacatl) just shouldn't exist in blue. Many say ya gotta build around him. Oh, he needs instants and sorceries to do anything. Yeah, well what the hell else are you going to run? You don't even NEED to, because you have an evasive beater on turn 2, 3. IN BLUE. I firmly believe nacatl needed to be banned, and she's in the right colors for such an aggressive card. Delver is gonna go the same route.
u forget BB elf and storm need ban 1 more card to balance the above card u say are banned.
but i think 3/2 is acceptable, may be new sets will have green 3/2 creature
a creature 3/3 is powerful , use 3/2 or 2/3 or simply use 2/2.
if u really love 3/3 creature, u cant play in first turn....
Draw 3 cards is so much, draw 1 card with some effect like watch opp hand/put 2 card in graveyard/see lib 2 card....or u get many artifact u can draw 2 cards...
Because if you really think about it, pfire is the problem not the land. Removable direct damage/removal that can be abused need to be gone. It narrows the format and stops cards from being played in the format. Just look at what happened to the format once they did ban it and Nacatl. Zoos power dipped and more decks were able to establish themselves.
Artifact lands on the other hand enable multiple things that are fast and go against what Wotc want the format to be.
no much zoo deck now but affinity still powerful.
is it unfair to zoo?
Maybe, but i'm more afraid by the consistency of threat we have (we reduce it by 30%: original: 1wurcoil + 1emrakul + 4karn +4mindlsaver. "new"wurmcoil + ulamog+ emrakul + 4 karn.
With that change you basicly weaken Combo and make Control stronger. Because Affinity is strong against control decks but rather meh against combo decks , it would make Control indirectly extremly unfair.
control is strong against affinity.
Pyroclasm + Ancient Grudge is so powerful
some modern dailys top 1-4 are the same deck call storm
very interesting MTGO PTQ list
i'm surprised he decided to get rid off the mindslaver.
i'm winning 1/3 of my game on mindslaver lock 1/3 on emrakul and 1/3 on karn...
but what i like is that without the mindslaver he can avoid to play the prism that he replace with relic (!!) that does the same job of drawing a card for 2 + bonus.
interestingly enough he also get rid off the talisman and replace it with 4 explore, since he has 1 more land than the usual list this is maybe not that bad, although i found explore quite underwhelming in general.
Well this list is quite tempting i have to say. not sure what's the best version
this version fight for RUG Delver so well.
karn is so strong alone without mindslaver help.
increase the creature removal and graveyard removal in the maindeck.
I decided to put the Reap and Sow in rather than Explore as Explore always seemed very lackluster. Reap and Sow turned out to be an all star! It wrecked people's manabases and fetched me towers all day long.
I ended up going 5-2, just missing out on the top 8. The worst matchup for this deck is Boros as it is just too fast. And unfortunately when I was 4-1 and in the "win and in" round I was paired up against my brother who was playing boros of course.
The only thing I would change would be the sideboard, with more All is Dust, as it would have shored up the aggro matches nicely.
Reap and Sow is too slow in this deck.
but i agree explore is not the best choice in this deck.
only 10 card(4 karn+4 Mindslaver+2 creature) in this deck is powerful to against other deck.
i prefer use Natural's spiral for a try in LD to get back the land /return karn
my concept is when a card unban, ban another card to become fair.
unban AV???
then ban Sleight of Hand
many ppl should agree AV is not powerful than Sleight of Hand.
this deck has many method to against.but u cant add all method in your sideboard. you need space to against other deck like affinity, junk,twin,storm and pod
not much counter deck in modern make this deck can win
If your Combo deck is running AV, then it's winning on turn 5 at the earliest, which is most likely a little too late for the format. Combine this with the fact that your deck also has 4 AV that are dead past turn 2, and you're looking at one very bad combo deck.
av is good in control or aggro-control.
dont use in wrong way
undercost?
blue creature has many undercost creature now.
we are discuss about 1 cc has 3/2
u forget BB elf and storm need ban 1 more card to balance the above card u say are banned.
but i think 3/2 is acceptable, may be new sets will have green 3/2 creature
a creature 3/3 is powerful , use 3/2 or 2/3 or simply use 2/2.
if u really love 3/3 creature, u cant play in first turn....
Draw 3 cards is so much, draw 1 card with some effect like watch opp hand/put 2 card in graveyard/see lib 2 card....or u get many artifact u can draw 2 cards...
Also mirror problem.....
no much zoo deck now but affinity still powerful.
is it unfair to zoo?
One is card price. when some ppl have many av and wait for unban.
unban 1 card. another card ppl want to unban too.
but ban artifact land , not ban the card make combo with artifact land.
may be future will design a similar punishing fire that only deal damage to players.it can use for kill planeswalker.
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
4 Karn Liberated
4 Sylvan Scrying
it is the engine to make 3rd turns to get 7 mana to play karn.
when cloudpost still not ban, it is hardly to get 7 mana in the 3rd turns.
well, new versions has add 1 or 2 mindlsaver now
control is strong against affinity.
Pyroclasm + Ancient Grudge is so powerful
some modern dailys top 1-4 are the same deck call storm
this version fight for RUG Delver so well.
karn is so strong alone without mindslaver help.
increase the creature removal and graveyard removal in the maindeck.
60 cards
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 All Is Dust
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
4 Explore
4 Karn Liberated
1 Oblivion Stone
4 Pyroclasm
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Sylvan Scrying
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3606620
MTGO modern PTQ 1 st place show a new version like that
Reap and Sow is too slow in this deck.
but i agree explore is not the best choice in this deck.
only 10 card(4 karn+4 Mindslaver+2 creature) in this deck is powerful to against other deck.
i prefer use Natural's spiral for a try in LD to get back the land /return karn
unban AV???
then ban Sleight of Hand
many ppl should agree AV is not powerful than Sleight of Hand.
this deck has many method to against.but u cant add all method in your sideboard. you need space to against other deck like affinity, junk,twin,storm and pod
not much counter deck in modern make this deck can win
av is good in control or aggro-control.
dont use in wrong way