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  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from toffee »
    Hi mates, I want to try this list, because in my 2 tournments where I made top8/top4 I saw that Lightning Bolt is a poor card right now.



    I don't want to cut the combo PFire + GotBurnwillows..
    I got started from the list of QBTURTLE15, which is making excellent results. In comparison though, I want to play Dark Confidant (there are a lot of Grixis in my meta) and PFire instead of Bolt.
    What do u think about the list?


    List looks fine. Don't ever cut the Punishing Fire combo in my opinion. It's the main reason to play this deck over the other Blue midrange decks.

    I think I mentioned earlier that I thought Lightning Bolt was underwhelming so I'm glad I'm not the only one. Your list looks fairly similar to mine (the one in my signature is outdated). The main difference is I only run one K Command and instead run a 2nd Sylvan (I feel good if I have a resolved Sylvan) and I run 4 Thoughtseize and 3 Hymn instead of your 3/4 split. Also I have a Maelstrom Pulse in there somewhere. I'd suggest one too since it's a "catch all" and can deal with resolved Planeswalkers, Gurmag Angler, etc.

    At the same time, I stopped playing this due to so much combo in my meta (over half the room), but if your meta is mostly Delver and fair decks, you should be fine.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from toffee »
    A question: is there a facebook chat where we can talk about Jund?


    Not that I know of. There is a MTGLegacy subreddit on Reddit and if you're not already there, the Source is a forum basically only about Legacy.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Also no copies of Sylvan Library (I get you have Grim Flayer), but still seems weird.

    I've been told these lists do well on MTGO because there is so much combo (it's cheap) so Punishing Fire is awful online. However, considering the most popular decks in Legacy right now are Death and Taxes (won a GP), Grixis Delver (and a bunch of Delver decks) and Blade decks, Punishing Fire seems just fine.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from heyitsBBG »
    Just getting into Legacy and looking at Goldfish the most recent Jund List's don't run Punishing Fire/Grove combo and have opted for a more traditional Jund approach. Just wondering if I should be playing Punishing Jund instead? or is it just preference?


    Punishing Fire is the very reason to play the deck and why we are so favored against other midrange and control decks. If your meta is filled with them then Jund is a great choice. It removes most creatures in their decks and if it's a slower game Punishing Fire just gives you inevitability to end the game (slowly).
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from toffee »
    - Bloodbraid Elf: it is a strong card, but with his cascade ..... only *****s =) Maybe I can cut all for another KCommand + Garruk Relentless...but I'm not sure about this choice...What do u think about BElf?


    I don't think this should ever be cut. The card advantage and speed it provides is just too good. I know it doesn't always happen, but BBE into Tarmogoyf, Hymn, or even Lili is just too backbreaking.

    Quote from toffee »
    - Lightning Bolt: I believe this is useless now, because ever side out in every matchups. But I don't know what could be its replacement.


    I don't remember if I said it, but I am in the minority and have never run Lightning Bolt in my 75 for this reason. I run 4 Decay, 4 Punishing Fire, and 1 Kolagan's Command and never had removal issues. I'd replace it with more discard (4 Thoughtseize) or a 2nd Sylvan Library. Other things are a main deck Garruk or something.

    Quote from toffee »
    - Sylvan Library: MVP in every matchups....this is the 1 one perfect slot in every Jund List.


    Yes. That is why I run two in my main deck. I am almost never upset to see this in my opener so I'd like to double the chances of seeing it. 4 is too much since more than one Library is useless, but only one leads to seeing it less in a game.

    Quote from toffee »
    - Choke: I've ever had in my hand when it was sideboard in, but I prefered to have another card instead of. I don't know, maybe replaced with Chains of Mephistopheles or the 4th Duress or the 3th BElf (against control and other decks where I need card advantage).


    I took out my chokes maybe two years ago and haven't regretted it. It's a "win more" card and you only side it in games we're already favored. Replace it with something that helps your bad match-ups. Chains is a good choice.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from toffee »
    Hi mates,
    I'm an italian player and after the ban of my favourite legacy deck, Miracles, I decided to choose Jund in Modern and Legacy.
    I've never played Jund, but with some local tournaments I made nice results with this list:



    I play 61 cards because "I NEED MORE POWER" !! Kolaghan's Command is one of my favourite cards and, in addition, I consider Bloodbraid less powerful now.
    I don't play Fatal Push because I don't want to cast it with the Cascade ability of BBElf.
    Instead of the 3th BBElf, maybe I'll test Garruk Relentless or Chandra, Torch of Defiance. What do u think about them? So, and BBElf now?
    About removal spells, I've found a fantastic equilibrium. I don't think to change any removals in my deck.
    About the sideboard, my metagame is full of blue-decks, Grixis delver/control, bug levold/delver, team america, some reanimator, death&taxes, ant.
    Thank you so much for your reply and sorry for my bad english!


    Your main deck seems fine, but I don't think you have enough game against combo in your sideboard. I'd consider adding more discard or other things in place of things like 3 REB/Pyro, Faerie Macs, and Diabolic Edict.

    The REB/Pyros are usually not that great. You already have a ton of removal for Delver decks and I find sitting on them against Show and Tell isn't a great idea since I'd rather be proactive and destroy their hand instead of waiting on them to cast Show anD tell.

    Definitely run at least 3 pieces of GY hate, but I've never been a big fan of Faerie. I like Grafdigger's Cage and Surgical more because they work in a lot of other match-ups too.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from hdyer »
    Since top has gotten banned, there has been a lot of talk about a DRS ban, how would this affect our deck?


    I wouldn't worry about this now. I would be more worried that our best match-up is now gone and combo will start to come back. The meta was relatively even in terms of diversity, but now combo will not be as scared, which is bad for Jund. I for one am considering rebuilding either Storm or Sneak and Show.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Redmond, WA LGS Advice (For Amonkhet Prerelease)
    Quote from jshrwd »
    Thanks to both of you! Out of curiosity, have either of you ever heard of that Math 'n' Stuff place? Seemed like a weird inclusion in that list.


    I have not. Good luck though. Seattle has a great Magic community.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Redmond, WA LGS Advice (For Amonkhet Prerelease)
    My parents live in Seattle so I've visited a number of times and been lucky enough to go to a few prereleases too.

    With that said, I've been to Mox Boarding House, Uncle Games (Redmond), and Games and Gizmos and don't have anything negative to say about any of them. I'd say Uncle Games and Games and Gizmos felt a bit more casual, but that's because Mox Boarding House is really Card Kingdom and has a relatively healthy following and great Legacy/Modern events that they stream. However, I have never done a prerelease there. Just Legacy Thursdays, which weren't like super competitive either.

    Long story short, you can't lose with any of those three options although I did open two Planeswalkers (one foil) in my sealed pool at Games and Gizmos :P. Good luck!
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from Chima »
    Pretty sure you want a critical amount of turn 1 answers to deathrite shamans right now, there are A LOT of em. "losing" the drs war in midrange mirrors is real rough. Push does that while also answering bigger threats. I'm not sure what my ratio of bolts/push will be but I'm gonna start out with 4 total mb.


    I don't think it's worth 4 in the MB. In fact, I was only going to try two in the SB. I think it's nice because it hits up to Thought-Knot Seer.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from FlyingDelver »
    Yeah sure, its applications are very limited, but say you have a very heavy eldrazi infested meta. TKS catching Damnation certainly is a problem though, thats true.


    This is not the nicest answer, but if your meta is filled with Eldrazi, you shouldn't be playing Jund. I've learned to accept my bad match-ups like Eldrazi and Burn. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have something in the SB, but if your meta is filled with a bad match-up where you are very likely to face it multiple times and your goal is to win then you should switch decks that are favored against said match-up instead. It's more efficient and probably less frustrating.

    If the room is filled with Fair Blue, then Jund (and Shardless BUG) is the right choice.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from Mad Mat »
    Quote from dwchang »
    Tribute to hunger is cheaper and instant speed, but I wonder if it's worth waiting for one more mana to get two sacs and two life gains?

    At the same time, I wish we could splash for Crackling Doom since it would get their Reality Smashers without targeting and it costs three mana. It's not out yet, but I wonder if Fatal Push will make its way in since it can kill TKS?

    Might be a dud, but have you considered Ophiomancer or Hornet Nest? Shriekmaw and Big Game Hunter also have potential as eldrazi-slayers that are less narrow in their application.

    Still, your best bet will be Blood Moon, how unsynergistic that might be in combination with our manabase.


    Huh. I hadn't thought of Big Game Hunter or Shriekmaw. I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but does targeting Reality Smasher with Shriekmaw's ability count as a "spell" in that we have to discard? I think the answer is yes, but it would be nice if the answer were no.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Anyone willing to split/ share a hotel for GP Louisville 2017
    I don't have room, but I would strongly suggest posting in the MTGLegacy subreddit on Reddit.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Tribute to Hunger or Diabolic Edict since they're cheaper.

    I guess you could also employ Blood Moon.


    Tribute to hunger is cheaper and instant speed, but I wonder if it's worth waiting for one more mana to get two sacs and two life gains?

    At the same time, I wish we could splash for Crackling Doom since it would get their Reality Smashers without targeting and it costs three mana. It's not out yet, but I wonder if Fatal Push will make its way in since it can kill TKS?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Jund
    So I think this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find the answer.

    I'm getting ready for GP Louisville and feel there are three decks you will likely see a lot of and those are Miracles, DnT, and Eldrazi. I think I'm fine against the first two (especially against DnT after adding a Kolaghan's Command MD to give me 2 answers for Prelate on 2 in the main deck and 2 answers in the side), but Eldrazi has always been a bad match-up.

    I am willing to dedicate 3 pieces in my SB to help against Eldrazi, but don't have a lot of answers. So far I've thought about Meekstone (which doesn't work well with our creatures) and Consuming Vapors since it doesn't target, sacs multiple creatures, and gains us life. The problem is it's 4 mana, but I'm leaning towards it right now since it also doubles against fatty creature decks although things like Sneak Attack and EoT Marit Lage still dodge.

    Any other options I should consider?
    Posted in: Midrange
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