OP: I like the idea of this format (I think the Modern ban list is rubbish), but I'm not convinced that it would be particularly balanced. I think the only way you can really correctly analyze it though is by a lot of testing. Good luck!
Balance will be an issue, I'm looking forward to testing
I've always wondered what would be the best deck if no banlist was there...after all, every standard had it's busted decks since Masques.
Affinity versus fairies versus dredge versus caw blade versus etc.
People speculate but we never ever could verify.
Overextended was the way to go I think.
And yes, restricting instead of banning just makes tutors better and rewards too much dumb luck.
Ban only in cases of extreme necessity with a good case study to validate the choice.
That seems entirely possible for the future of the format to evolve into over time
At this point I just feel bad for op getting his dream shredded this hard.
Op, have fun! Maybe we're wrong and it's worth a game or two, even if it never ever ever is going to be a real format since you're tossing balance out the window.
Thank you, I'm gonna keep working on the format and see where I can take it.
Aslo jackspeed was referring to reshape a card that is broken no matter what artifact your trying to abuse
And please if your here to tell me this format will fail, don't bother. Keep moving.
"Hey guys, tell me what you think about this idea I have.
...Unless you don't like it, in which case you should keep your filthy opinions to yourself."
This was added after a majority of the comments already called it garbage and wouldn't stop saying its going to fail because it doesn't have a banned list. I understand comments like "this format is broken, because of card x" but to call something garbage does not need to happen when someone is trying to develope something unless they are just trying to be a) malicious or b) need to quantify their own ego by bashing someone else's ideas.
The idea was meant to be a format that could either replace modern or be better than modern without being modern. To imply I have to implement a banned list right away would essentially mean it's modern. So what's the point. So no in the sake of doing something that is not modern I won't have a banned list
Ok, so you all think it will fail. Point understood. No need to bring it up ever again. Please if you don't have something constructive to say like try changing this or that don't bother posting hate for a format you have never tried.
Actually, most of what has been posted against this format is constructive. I get that this is a format you came up with and you really want it to succeed, but the arguments given against it are sound. Instead of dismissing these posts as "hate", maybe you should take the time to really read them, and understand why Modern has the banlist that it does.
I'm talking about people that state the format is garbage or terrible or whiners format. They don't have to play it, and I have been reading everything. The format will remain a restricted only format for now. Maybe there is a need for banned and restricted but I want to see where this format will go if given a chance.
Ok, so you all think it will fail. Point understood. No need to bring it up ever again. Please if you don't have something constructive to say like try changing this or that don't bother posting hate for a format you have never tried.
With there yet to be an event of this format people saying it would be terrible have no more of an argument than I do. Like I said the format is still in the infantile stages and I'm gonna run some events locally and see how real matches play out. You people may be right, but that shouldn't stop me from trying.
Not sure if this is the right spot so please feel free to move it if need be.
Hey Guys after the Fall out of the Modern Banning I decided to make a detailed post about a new format I am calling Traditional. The name is not as catchy as I would like, but I think the format would open up a great opportunity for people to play the cards they love in a competitive environment.
Welcome to the newest MTG format called Traditional. There is no ban list, just a restricted list. So far I have not done any testing of the format to determine what cards need to be restricted, however I will be making a restricted list based on that of the Modern banned list. It will be modified as time goes on around the time of a new set release to coincide with Wizards own Banned and Restricted updates.
This is not a sanctioned format but hopefully one day it will be.
The reason I present this format is because like vintage there needs to be a format where you have a smaller restriction on your cards that you can play and you can still use powerful cards and have powerful interactions without fear that the cards will be banned.
A little bit more detail about the format.
All sets that are Modern Legal are Traditional Legal.
Dragons of Tarkir (effective March 27th, 2015)
Fate Reforged (effective January 23rd)
Khans of Tarkir
Magic 2015
Journey into Nyx
Born of the Gods
Theros
Magic 2014
Dragon's Maze
Gatecrash
Return to Ravnica
Magic 2013
Avacyn Restored
Dark Ascension
Innistrad
Magic 2012
New Phyrexia
Mirrodin Besieged
Scars of Mirrodin
Magic 2011
Rise of the Eldrazi
Worldwake
Zendikar
Magic 2010
Alara Reborn
Conflux
Shards of Alara
Eventide
Shadowmoor
Morningtide
Lorwyn
Tenth Edition
Future Sight
Planar Chaos
Time Spiral
Coldsnap
Dissension
Guildpact
Ravnica: City of Guilds
Ninth Edition
Saviors of Kamigawa
Eighth Edition
Betrayers of Kamigawa
Champions of Kamigawa
Fifth Dawn
Darksteel Mirrodin
The Following Cards are Restricted in Traditional
Blazing Shoal
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Hypergenesis
Rite of Flame
Skullclamp
Sword of the Meek
I hope you get a chance to try the format and I hope that this takes off. Let me know if you have tried the format and lets see if we can spread the word.
It would even allow you to play cards that never saw the light of Modern day.
Yeah I kinda realized that once I had more time to think about them. How ever I'm not going to flip my list on a whim, need to follow some structure otherwise what's the point in trying to make this more than kitchen table.
heres my case.
I didn't create the format because I was personally upset about recent events, they had zero impact on me playing any format.
I also think the format is entirely different from both modern and legacy. Legacy has lands that produce additional mana, you have multiple ways of getting 3 mana tune 1. This format does not have nearly as many. Modern is a much slower format that the one I am suggesting because it doesn't have these cards available. Wizards perpously impimented a turn 3-4 rule. Also there are entire archetypes that can be played in the format I am suggesting that can be interacted with, without force of will.
the format has a chance to be very healthy, it may not take off but I won't just give it up this early because some people think that it will be a coin flip or that the cards are broken. If they truly were that broken they would have a stronger showing in legacy in spite of force of will.
And in response to the current restricted list, I didn't have a chance to test too much and I do see some other cards that need to be restricted but the list is going to remain the same until the next set release.
I'll keep going and trying to make the format work it's only 2-3 days in.
but honestly, this is just a copy of modern with minor twist, why would anyone bother try this format when modern is around and is a thing?
So in that sense why would people play vintage when legacy is a thing. Not every format is for everyone. I just want to up the power level and give people a format where they don't have to "ask for cards to be banned or unbanned"
strange, first thing I got from other people was "so everyone just plays caw blade?" with openings for restrictions rather than straight up banning cards you can craft the format to be healthy without ruining entire decks the same way. obviously a deck like affinity would be quick. but so would storm.
Edit: The format will need testing and another update to the restricted list would likely need to be put in place around the release of Dragons of Tarkir. I see this as an opportunity to make a better format in the long run. I will keep note of peoples opinions and watch what decks become oppressive and we can all move on from there
Balance will be an issue, I'm looking forward to testing
That seems entirely possible for the future of the format to evolve into over time
Thank you, I'm gonna keep working on the format and see where I can take it.
Aslo jackspeed was referring to reshape a card that is broken no matter what artifact your trying to abuse
This was added after a majority of the comments already called it garbage and wouldn't stop saying its going to fail because it doesn't have a banned list. I understand comments like "this format is broken, because of card x" but to call something garbage does not need to happen when someone is trying to develope something unless they are just trying to be a) malicious or b) need to quantify their own ego by bashing someone else's ideas.
The idea was meant to be a format that could either replace modern or be better than modern without being modern. To imply I have to implement a banned list right away would essentially mean it's modern. So what's the point. So no in the sake of doing something that is not modern I won't have a banned list
I'm talking about people that state the format is garbage or terrible or whiners format. They don't have to play it, and I have been reading everything. The format will remain a restricted only format for now. Maybe there is a need for banned and restricted but I want to see where this format will go if given a chance.
Yeah I kinda realized that once I had more time to think about them. How ever I'm not going to flip my list on a whim, need to follow some structure otherwise what's the point in trying to make this more than kitchen table.
I didn't create the format because I was personally upset about recent events, they had zero impact on me playing any format.
I also think the format is entirely different from both modern and legacy. Legacy has lands that produce additional mana, you have multiple ways of getting 3 mana tune 1. This format does not have nearly as many. Modern is a much slower format that the one I am suggesting because it doesn't have these cards available. Wizards perpously impimented a turn 3-4 rule. Also there are entire archetypes that can be played in the format I am suggesting that can be interacted with, without force of will.
the format has a chance to be very healthy, it may not take off but I won't just give it up this early because some people think that it will be a coin flip or that the cards are broken. If they truly were that broken they would have a stronger showing in legacy in spite of force of will.
And in response to the current restricted list, I didn't have a chance to test too much and I do see some other cards that need to be restricted but the list is going to remain the same until the next set release.
I'll keep going and trying to make the format work it's only 2-3 days in.
I've been told that's what modern is
So in that sense why would people play vintage when legacy is a thing. Not every format is for everyone. I just want to up the power level and give people a format where they don't have to "ask for cards to be banned or unbanned"
Edit: The format will need testing and another update to the restricted list would likely need to be put in place around the release of Dragons of Tarkir. I see this as an opportunity to make a better format in the long run. I will keep note of peoples opinions and watch what decks become oppressive and we can all move on from there