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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Why do we still have people coming with anecdotal or theoretical evidence about skill? Didn't KTK disprove all myths regarding skill many pages okay? Like, okay Foodchains, you can think what you like, but it's been disproven. If a skilled pilot plays his deck skillfully, he will do well. Fact. Mathematically proven to be truth. I don't understand why you and others continue to assert that skill is irrelevant after being factually proven wrong.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Can confirm that UWR has some pretty lopsided victories. Affinity? Easy. Elves? Easy. Humans? Fish? Easy easy easy. Every deck in Modern should have good and bad matchups. A metagame that cycles from Combo/Aggro > Ramp > Midrange > Combo/Aggro is a much better than a meta game with a few 50% decks in it.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Patrick Sullivan is a smart man.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Who is complaining? ktk asked for some opinions on why people are 'frustrated spikes' based on an article.

    There are good decks for everyone, quite literally.

    10 Tier 1 Decks, across the spectrum of archetypes.
    15 Tier 2 Decks, across the spectrum of archetypes.

    Some of these 'decks' are not even a single deck, UWR Tempo, is not UWR Control, is not UWR Kiki.

    If you dont like the angle of the conversation, why post?

    ktk asked why people are frustrated, he is getting answers.


    Nothing in my post is directed at KTK.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    I still get the feeling that many people on this forum and across the internet continue to complain, as they have for years, that X deck has bad matchups against Y because Twin ate the bullet and they can't have a 50/50 oops I win tempo/combo/control deck. They romanticize 2014-15ish Modern, like it's some golden age or something. It's not. It wasn't fun at all to not be able to tap out on turn three. It wasn't fun at all when they top decked Twin on turn 7 and killed you. It wasn't fun at all how many other UR decks weren't played because Twin was around. Take off the rose tinted glasses. If you can't win at Modern, its on you. It's not the cards, its not the matches, its not the ban list, no. The one consistent thing in your games is you.

    If what you are interested in is a format with 1-5 decks total where you can leverage all your skills and all your copy pasted from CFB/SCG/wherever sideboard tech, let me tell you about Standard. You want a format where you can play goodstuff pile and be safe against nearly everything, but with more decks than Standard? Friends, Legacy is a format.

    But you know what makes Modern special? In Modern, we don't have a 5 deck format. We don't have Deathrite Shaman vs Combo decks the format. We have the largest variety of competitive decks available to play in one format. If what you want is diversity, have I got a format for you!

    It blows my goddamn mind that we have people arguing for less diversity after just a year ago arguing for more diversity. What in the actual f-

    Let me give you some tips. If you suspect Tron is going to be at your event, try playing some of these: Grapeshot, Glistener Elf. Arcbound Ravager, Boros Charm, Ad Nauseam, Scapeshift. You think creature decks are going to be good? How about some of this Supreme Verdict, Maelstrom Pulse, Pyroclasm, Oblivion Stone. You think Midrange is going to be good? How about your old buddies Primeval Titan, Stinkweed Imp or Karn Liberated. Or if you absolutely must ruin everyone's fun, try out some of these: Cryptic Command, Thoughtseize, Logic Knot, Ensnaring Bridge.

    The meta has reached a cyclical point. Pay attention and you'll stop losing.

    But the amount of continued tolerance given to the same people in this thread, whining and complaining constantly for year, YEARS about the same trite drivel about how Jund isn't the best is completely absurd and getting quite sickening. Literally all of the numbers we are capable of procuring point to Modern being great, whether it's personal winrates of top players, format breakdowns by deck variety or strategy, color representation, whatever. It's all here and it's all okay. Last year alone we saw the rise (and fall) of Shadow, Eldrazi, Storm, Humans, UWR, and Tron. That's 4 new decks and two decks that were on their deathbeds.

    It's so incredibly frustrating that some of you are complaining just to complain. You complained when Twin made you hold up mana the whole game, you complained when you chose Jund (you greedy 50/50 seeking spikenugget) and got paired against Tron and you complained most of all when you lost. Enough is enough. There are archives of this very forum, literally thousands of pages, of the same garbage arguments about how unhappy you all are with Modern, but how incapable so many of you are at adapting or furthering discussion in a meaningful way. Seriously, stop.

    Really, honestly, truly - Enough.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    I haven't seen too much buzz about the top GP Santa Clara Modern decks: Dredge, UW Control, 4C Death's Shadow, and Mardu Midrange. Right behind that at 5-8 we had Lantern, 2 Affinity, and ETron. On the one hand, I hear that it's not a conventional Modern GP and N is smaller. On the other hand, it's not a unified format so deck choices matter, and the Modern field is narrowed to the format specialists. Seems like a great source of data for top decks going into the PT (at least, a stage 1 dataset). Where's the love for these finishes?


    It's questionable how actionable data is from unified events. If a match features six decks (3v3) only two of those six decks can play Fatal Push or Scalding Tarn or whatever. I would think that skews the deck choices too much to be exceptionally worthwhile data points. Am I wrong?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Quote from bradstone »
    I'm not sure it's necessarily one or the other, but Spirit Mantle guarantees you're going to push damage through when facing creatures which is definitely relevant. It also allows you to have a really strong blocker if need be.

    I'm looking to come out of left field at a Sunday event soon with UW boggles. Curious Obsession is totally insane and I'm surprised more people aren't buzzing over it.


    This is functionally the same card as Keen Sense which was played in the past, but is dropping from lists for being slow. I don't think the additional +1 makes up for the off color.

    Edit: Didn't see you mentioned UW Bogles. I don't know anything about UW, other than I could not be convinced to play without Gladecover or Rancor. GW Bogles is already on the slow end of non interactive Modern decks, replacing a one drop creature for Invisible Stalker or whatever is not a sound choice I think.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    If you weren't to play Wurmcoil Engine, what would you be playing instead?
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from h0lydiva »
    Grishoalbrand is a bit too inconsistent. Though powerful things, it does powerful things.

    While I tend to agree, it's notable that Amulet was once dubbed as "too inconsistent" until Cohen and Black got their hands on it and made it a monster. A big part of the push for these fringe decks is to get them into the hands of people with the monetary incentive to break them.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from Earthbound21 »
    On the topic of pros breaking the format, Hoogland has earmarked Goryo's Vengeance as the deck he thinks pros will break for the PT. As someone who plays Griseldaddy, I do sort of hope for some innovation. I bought some Time of Needs because it seems so almost good in that deck.


    That seems...an odd choice. Not a deck that's been getting a lot of play, so that'd be a bit out of nowhere. Not impossible, just not where I'd put my money if I were placing a bet. Hoogland's prone to the occasional hyperbole/wild exaggeration.


    Oh I know, I think Hoogland is a grade A tool. But I do think there is refinement available yet for the deck and it is certainly doing enough powerful things to be a contender. If anything I hope the PT showcases more than UWR vs GDS vs Storm vs Tron vs Company vs Affinty or whatever that we already know about. I want the innovation to come.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    On the topic of pros breaking the format, Hoogland has earmarked Goryo's Vengeance as the deck he thinks pros will break for the PT. As someone who plays Griseldaddy, I do sort of hope for some innovation. I bought some Time of Needs because it seems so almost good in that deck.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    Of course it's bad. I'm not disputing that or saying it has potential. I'm saying that wizards printing a card with an artifact qualifier that enables a historically powerful effect is just one of many indications that they won't, and never will, unban the artifact lands. The primary and obvious indicator being the current crop of decks they already slot directly into. There is nothing to gain from unbanning them and there are SEVERAL cards significantly above them on the unban pecking order.


    You're assuming they make these cards with older cards in mind. They don't. They have gone on the record saying that they do not.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    Fun fact: the new rivals of ixalan card storm the vault has hidden text reading "artifact lands now have 0% chance to be unbanned." Aside from enabling current combo decks and potentially slotting directly into affinity, Wizards printing a card like this should (again) firmly cement artifact lands' rightful place on the banned list.

    I'm still pro BBE, pro SFM coming off, but they've essentially already stated there will most likely be no changes.


    Storm the Vault is unplayable garbage and has zero implications for any cards on any ban list anywhere. Just like the bad Cradle is really bad, bad Academy is also really bad.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Surge - Modern Dice Factory
    Quote from ellomdian »
    Quote from Earthbound21 »
    I feel like a lot of these decks are unfocused. You have the best cantrip in stirrings and best card draw in thoughtcast available to you. Why not go hard on comboing them.

    ...

    The deck at its core is High Tide or Heartbeat.


    I am certainly inclined to agree with you - see my list above. IME, all-in on Paradox Engine is rough, which is why I run the Reversals/Scepters. Between that and the keys, I can reasonably expect to go off without an Engine some games. The Reservoir is there largely as a main-deck answer to burn and hyper aggro strategies that also represents a wincon in ~25% of games. Most of the time you're just Stroking them or casting a Walking Fireball.

    I just don't like Thoughtcast. I rarely have problems drawing cards between the Bells, Atlases, Stirrings, and Zenith, and the repeatable effects represent the same level of card advantage the turn before you go off (EoT, Untap, Do it again.)


    Thoughtcast costs one mana. Its much better than the 4 mana artifact you're playing. You shouldn't need Reversal at all with 8 Paradox Engines. Reservoir is shut down by one Skullcrack.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Surge - Modern Dice Factory
    I feel like a lot of these decks are unfocused. You have the best cantrip in stirrings and best card draw in thoughtcast available to you. Why not go hard on comboing them.



    Being fast and consistent is rewarded in Modern. Better to do one thing well then a couple things medium. You could replace either win con with basically any other big mana win con. Banefire, Grapeshot, Blue Sun's Zenith, Maga, Traitor to Mortals etc.

    The deck at its core is High Tide or Heartbeat.


    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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