Just a few thoughts on card choices.
Duress over Thoughtseize is just an edge for burn game one. I'm also not sure if there is really a way to get punished for it. I couldn't think of one. Also favor the mighty in the SB is for the infect and splinter twin matchs.
Hmm. interesting list. THe only reason vor R is the Faithless Looting? I think I would cut R and add Liliana of the Veil.
Honestly faithless looting is one of the best cards in the deck. Allowing to turn one discard a vengvine and a Bloodghast is very good. It makes usually unkeepable hands insane. You can also dredge off looting which helps a lot. I was just testing with a friend last night and after casting looting turn one on him a couple times he said "ugh that's like brainstorm in your deck" and he's not wrong haha
I played about 5 games against a UR Delver list with 4 TC in it, and only lost 1 or 2 games to it. I have had very similar experiences in modern. I am not too worried about TC, when all of their threats are X/1s and you have a punishing fire online then i dont care at all. I will probably be playing this matchup more tonight to get a better idea of it. I also do play a single Ooze in my main and another in the SB.
Its sad how little action this thread is getting, even after Elves win an SCG Open. A really unconventional list too. He was playing 4 Blood Moons out of the SB which I actually love, but the rest of the list I am really questioning. What do you guys think?
I myself don't like how he is only running 2 sentinel and 2 heritage in his list. As for the land count being 15, I play 15 lands as well, but for him, 2 of them are dryad arbors, which should not be counted as lands but as creatures. I've noticed elves only needs 10 lands to work efficiently, but so you don't have to muligan often for lands, 15 is the right amount to run. Still unsure if I'd make it 13 lands + 2 arbor though. The rest of the list acts like a toolbox, which is one thing I love about this deck.
Yeah I agree on the Druids and sentinels. Seems sketchy at best. I also gate the gitaxian probes. It almost makes zero sense. Would you just rather have more dudes? And just the one of craterhoof feels iffy.
I think the list that I will be working on will start like this:
4 Commune with Gods
4 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Courser Kruphix
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Night Howler
4 Nemesis of Mortals
4 Heros Downfall
2 Sulai Charm
2 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
2 Empty the Pits
The problem with Delve is that you dont want too many delve spells otherwise they dont work well together. Just a thought. This is a starting point for me. Mostly a core for a list. Obviously there is no way in making a full list yet but I like where its going.
What do you guys think>?
Its sad how little action this thread is getting, even after Elves win an SCG Open. A really unconventional list too. He was playing 4 Blood Moons out of the SB which I actually love, but the rest of the list I am really questioning. What do you guys think?
this, minus nighthowler, is a nonbo wit the rest of the deck. nemesis it's ok because you need stuff to be in the yard just when you cast it/activate it. for nighthowler to be relevant you want stuff to stay in the yard all the time.
don't forget a couple of empty the pits!
plus you're playing blue for sidsi and the other sultai's stuff, so how about a couple of jace, the living guildpact (his +1 is very useful) and possibly a couple of counters too.
How is Nighthowler a nonbo? Its exactly what this kind of deck wants. You have to remember when you delve you can remove instances, sorcerys, and lands. It doesnt have to be creatures. Most of the time he is going to be a 3cmc 5/5 at least.
So happy. Playing at FNM yesterday, sad cause I got a bye. During that bye, ran into a Vintage Player, look into his collection, and what do I find? 3 Glimpse of Natures, another Craterhoof, and a Progenitus. Needless to say I traded with him and now I only require 1 more Glimpse of Nature and 3 NO and the list is complete. If I may ask, I see many lists running 3 NOs. Does they deck not want 4? Does the deck only want 1 in its hand at any time or that?
I have seen lists do both. You dont want NO against a deck that has lots of counter spells for obvious reasons, but you definitely want to see it often against the more fair decks. I personally play four.
I feel like it might see some fringe play in the Modern UWR Control lists to give it a little more reach. Plus they usually win the game by burning their opponent out with bolts, helixs, electrolyzes, and snapcasters. This will just add to the plan.
Hey guys. I'm planning on getting this deck together and plan on playing swan songs in the sb. I was just wondering if we could go through a sb plan for only the top decks mostly. It seems hard to make cuts with such a streamlined deck. Anything you guys can suggest will help a lot. Looked on the primer but it appears it's still under construction.
You want Revoker vs pod? Mindcensor is better. Revoker is only really good mb vs affinity. And that was enought for me for a long time. Not anymore.
Revoker is also very good main vs Jund, and Twin. Being able to shut down Liliana, and Scavenging Ooze is huge, also against Twin just full out shutting down the whole combo. Revoker is just as good as Mindcensor vs pod. If you happen to have both you just start naming other pod card like ooze, mana dorks, pridemage, kiki jiki, vicara seeker, ect. Its just another way to tax your opponent. Which is the whole point to this deck right?
What creatures are you really worried about that costs more than three? That your removal spells can't kill or that you can't race?
1 brimaz
4 intangible virtue
2 dismember
4 path to exile
3 raise the alarm
1 secure the waste
2 zealous persecution
4 Inqusition of kozilek
2 duress
4 lingering souls
4 spectral procession
3 sorin solemn visitor
4 marsh flats
4 godless shrine
2 ghost quarter
1 vault of the archangel
3 isolated chapel
2 fetid heath
4 plains
1 swamp
2 windbrisk heights
1 verdant catacombs
3 leyline of sanctity
2 rest in peace
1 linvala keeper of silence
1 timely reinforcements
2 aven mindsencer
3 fulminator mage
1 favor the mighty
Just a few thoughts on card choices.
Duress over Thoughtseize is just an edge for burn game one. I'm also not sure if there is really a way to get punished for it. I couldn't think of one. Also favor the mighty in the SB is for the infect and splinter twin matchs.
Honestly faithless looting is one of the best cards in the deck. Allowing to turn one discard a vengvine and a Bloodghast is very good. It makes usually unkeepable hands insane. You can also dredge off looting which helps a lot. I was just testing with a friend last night and after casting looting turn one on him a couple times he said "ugh that's like brainstorm in your deck" and he's not wrong haha
4 Vengvine
4 Bloodghast
4 Grave Crawler
4 Satyr Wayfinder
3 Stinkweed Imp
3 Hooting Mandrils
2 Lotleth Troll
2 Extractor Demon
Spells:
2 Darkblast
4 Faithless Looting
4 Murderous Cut
4 Grisly Salvage
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Copperline Gorge
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Gnaw to the Bone
3 Abrupt Decay
4 THoughtseize
2 Golgari Charm
Yeah I agree on the Druids and sentinels. Seems sketchy at best. I also gate the gitaxian probes. It almost makes zero sense. Would you just rather have more dudes? And just the one of craterhoof feels iffy.
4 Commune with Gods
4 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Courser Kruphix
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Night Howler
4 Nemesis of Mortals
4 Heros Downfall
2 Sulai Charm
2 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
2 Empty the Pits
The problem with Delve is that you dont want too many delve spells otherwise they dont work well together. Just a thought. This is a starting point for me. Mostly a core for a list. Obviously there is no way in making a full list yet but I like where its going.
What do you guys think>?
How is Nighthowler a nonbo? Its exactly what this kind of deck wants. You have to remember when you delve you can remove instances, sorcerys, and lands. It doesnt have to be creatures. Most of the time he is going to be a 3cmc 5/5 at least.
I have seen lists do both. You dont want NO against a deck that has lots of counter spells for obvious reasons, but you definitely want to see it often against the more fair decks. I personally play four.
Revoker is also very good main vs Jund, and Twin. Being able to shut down Liliana, and Scavenging Ooze is huge, also against Twin just full out shutting down the whole combo. Revoker is just as good as Mindcensor vs pod. If you happen to have both you just start naming other pod card like ooze, mana dorks, pridemage, kiki jiki, vicara seeker, ect. Its just another way to tax your opponent. Which is the whole point to this deck right?