Geist was in originally, but I'd swapped him out for momentary blink. I think when AVR comes out though I'll swap blink for Wall of Denial and add some of the new blink cards instead.
Terra Stomper -> Vorapede
Decree of Justice -> Wall of Omens
Taurean Mauler -> Brimstone Volley
Cunning Sparkmage -> Reckless Waif
Grab the Reins -> Hellrider
Angel of Despair -> Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Wall of Denial -> Geist of Saint Traft
Thoughts suggestions on the recent changes or anything else you think should be added/cut?
I definitely agree BW and BG are the two best for it, but I feel white has a lot of the creatures you really want for an infinite creature recurring nightmare
I have to agree with bwian here, the reason for keeping Angel of Despair over Desolation Angel was because of reanimation. She's an incredible card to have in recurring nightmare decks, and BW is probably the best archtype to shoot for if you get an early recurring nightmare
Another more personal reason is that at my house few people draft Desolation Angel (I guess they don't realize the potential upside) and everyone drafts Angel of Despair, whether to play it or out of hate. I've also seen more bonkers plays involving Angel of Despair
Swapped entomb back in for innocent blood, may cut it later though as I've yet to see it do anything other than get hatedrafted. Once, maybe twice someone got it and several reanimate things and was playing 'god hand' combo (which isn't much fun to play against).
I'm not sure which I'll like better of those two, looking for a little variety though. I think having blightning will make aggro-discard a bit more viable, and terminate is often just a harder to cast doom blade or go for the throat. Who's sure which I'll end up keeping long term though.
Cube Size: 450
Breakdown: 60 Each Color, 65 Colorless, 85 Gold
Standard or Theme: Standard
Average Number of Players: often 2 player, 4+ about once a week
How Often Drafted: A few times a week
Average CMC: 3.02
Location: North Carolina, USA
Card Selection
Proxies: Yes, looking to fill them in
Powered: No
Portal: No
Snow: No
"Un" Cards: No
Gold: As played
Banned Cards: Yes, power 9, Sol ring, mana crypt, library of alexandria, skullclamp, mana drain and anything else that's blatantly way too powerful
I'm looking to do away with the 'wedge' section, as I feel that Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker and Broodmate Dragon rarely get played. However, the others in this section are staples and need to be kept. Ideas for cards to replace those two with or a way to reorganize and get rid of this section?
Also, If you feel I've missed out any great cards, feel free to suggest either just cards you feel are overlooked or even suggest substitutions!
Those kind enough to provide helpful insight will be forever commemorated here!
Thanks again to:
eidolon232
duckpants
Sexyindiancurry
swaps: [old -> new]
Sylvan Ranger -> Strangleroot Geist
Blade of the Sixth Pride -> Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Innocent Blood-> Gravecrawler
Terminate -> Blightning
Desolation Angel -> Lingering Souls
Geist of Saint Traft -> Momentary Blink
Browbeat -> Slagstorm
Furnace Scamp -> Flame Slash
cut:
Memnite
Forge Devil
swaps: [old -> new]
Terra Stomper -> Vorapede
Decree of Justice -> Wall of Omens
Taurean Mauler -> Brimstone Volley
Cunning Sparkmage -> Reckless Waif
Grab the Reins -> Hellrider
Angel of Despair -> Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Wall of Denial -> Geist of Saint Traft
swaps: [old -> new]
Mana Tithe -> Cloudshift
Blazing Spectre -> Olivia Voldaren
Flicker was already mentioned, but it seems Flickerform would be even better as you're seeking a repeatable steal effect (and its 2 mana cheaper than capsize! =D)
Another issue with the previous version that wasn't addressed is that if you have evasion creatures (flying, shadow, unblockable) that the creatures may not be able to kill each other in combat.
This would lead to it being 'whoever has the bigger creature wins'
Terra Stomper -> Vorapede
Decree of Justice -> Wall of Omens
Taurean Mauler -> Brimstone Volley
Cunning Sparkmage -> Reckless Waif
Grab the Reins -> Hellrider
Angel of Despair -> Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Wall of Denial -> Geist of Saint Traft
Thoughts suggestions on the recent changes or anything else you think should be added/cut?
I guess green does have more enablers though, and probably equally as many good infinite looping targets (Deranged Hermit, etc)
Another more personal reason is that at my house few people draft Desolation Angel (I guess they don't realize the potential upside) and everyone drafts Angel of Despair, whether to play it or out of hate. I've also seen more bonkers plays involving Angel of Despair
I'm not sure which I'll like better of those two, looking for a little variety though. I think having blightning will make aggro-discard a bit more viable, and terminate is often just a harder to cast doom blade or go for the throat. Who's sure which I'll end up keeping long term though.
Thanks again for the help!
So here's the swaps I've made (as I already have the cards):
Sylvan Ranger -> Strangleroot Geist
Blade of the Sixth Pride -> Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Innocent Blood -> Gravecrawler
Terminate -> Blightning
Desolation Angel -> Lingering Souls
Geist of Saint Traft -> Momentary Blink
Browbeat -> Slagstorm
Furnace Scamp -> Flame Slash
and cut:
Memnite
Forge Devil
And the one's I'll make once I've printed proxies:
Angel of Despair -> Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Grab the Reins -> Hellrider
Blazing Spectre -> Olivia Voldaren
The original post has been updated with a changelog and credits to those who helped!
I've also put up a new help section with a list of cards I think should be cut. Help me find subs or tell me why to keep them!
Cube Size: 450
Breakdown: 60 Each Color, 65 Colorless, 85 Gold
Standard or Theme: Standard
Average Number of Players: often 2 player, 4+ about once a week
How Often Drafted: A few times a week
Average CMC: 3.02
Location: North Carolina, USA
Card Selection
Proxies: Yes, looking to fill them in
Powered: No
Portal: No
Snow: No
"Un" Cards: No
Gold: As played
Banned Cards: Yes, power 9, Sol ring, mana crypt, library of alexandria, skullclamp, mana drain and anything else that's blatantly way too powerful
Deckstats Link
1 Gideon's Lawkeeper
1 Goldmeadow Harrier
1 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
1 Mother of Runes
1 Savannah Lions
1 Steppe Lynx Foil
1 Student of Warfare Foil
2 Accorder Paladin Foil
2 Kami of Ancient Law
2 Lone Missionary
2 Mistral Charger
2 Serra Avenger [proxy]
2 Soltari Monk
2 Soltari Priest
2 Soltari Trooper
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Wall of Omens Foil
3 Exalted Angel
3 Mirran Crusader
3 Mirror Entity
3 Paladin en-Vec
3 Soltari Champion
4 Calciderm [promo foil]
4 Kor Sanctifiers Foil
4 Hero of Bladehold [promo foil]
5 Archon of Justice Foil
5 Baneslayer Angel
5 Cloudgoat Ranger Foil
5 Karmic Guide [proxy]
5 Reveillark
6 Sunblast Angel Foil
6 Yosei, the Morning Star
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Land Tax
1 Mana Tithe
1 Path to Exile [promo foil]
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Balance [promo foil]
2 Disenchant
2 Honor of the Pure Foil
2 Journey to Nowhere
2 Temporal Isolation
3 Spectral Procession
4 Ajani Goldmane
4 Armageddon
4 Day of Judgement Foil
4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Faith's Fetters Foil
4 Wrath of God
5 Gideon Jura
5 Rout
6 Catastrophe
6 Martial Coup Foil
2 Gilded Drake
2 Invisable Stalker
2 Lighthouse Chronologist
2 Looter il-Kor
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Waterfront Bouncer
3 Sea Gate Oracle
3 Willbender
4 Glen Alendra Archmage
4 Sower of Temptation
4 Thieving Magpie Foil
4 Venser, Shaper Savant
5 Mulldrifter
6 Consecrated Sphinx
6 Frost Titan [promo foil]
6 Kiega, the Tide Star
9 Inkwell Leviathan Foil
0 Shelldock Isle
0 Force of Will
1 Brainstorm
1 Force Spike [promo foil]
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Preordain Foil
1 Silent Departure
2 Arcane Denial
2 Counterspell
2 Impulse
2 Mana Leak Foil
2 Memory Lapse [jude foil]
2 Miscalculation
2 Remand
2 See Beyond Foil
3 Crystal Shard
3 Exclude
3 Forbid
3 Frost Breath Foil
3 Jace Beleren
3 Psionic Blast
3 Tinker
3 Vedalken Shackles [proxy]
4 Control Magic
4 Cryptic Command
4 Deep Analysis
4 Fact or Fiction
4 Gifts Ungiven Foil
4 Into the Roil
4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
5 Jace, Memory Adept
5 Tezzeret the Seeker
5 Treachery
6 Capsize
1 Diregraf Ghoul [full art]
1 Fume Spitter Foil
1 Gravecrawler Foil
1 Vampire Lacerator Foil
2 Bloodghast
2 Dark Confidant
2 Dauthi Horror
2 Vampire Interloper
2 Nezumi Graverobber
2 Oona's Prowler
2 Tombstalker
2 Vampire Hexmage
3 Dauthi Marauder
3 Hypnotic Specter
3 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Plague Sliver
4 Skinrender
5 Bloodgift Demon
5 Shriekmaw
6 Grave Titan [promo foil]
6 Kokusho, the Evening Star [FTV Foil]
0 Contagion
0 Snuff out
1 Dark Ritual
1 Disfigure
1 Duress [altered]
1 Entomb
1 Reanimate
1 Sarcomancy
1 Thoughtseize [proxy]
1 Vampiric Tutor [proxy]
2 Bitterblossom
2 Chainer's Edict
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Doom Blade [full art]
2 Exhume
2 Go for the Throat [promo foil]
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Nights Whisper Foil
3 Buried Alive
3 Corpse Dance [proxy]
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Necromancy
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Recurring Nightmare
3 Yawgmoth's Will [proxy]
4 Consuming Vapors
4 Damnation
4 Moan of the Unhallowed
4 Nether Void [proxy]
5 Liliana Vess [promo foil]
1 Goblin Guide
1 Goblin Patrol
1 Greater Gargadon
1 Grim Lavamancer Foil
1 Mogg Fanatic Foil
1 Reckless Waif Foil
1 Spikeshot Elder
2 Ember Hauler
2 Torch Fiend
2 Hellspark Elemental Foil
2 Kaargan Dragonlord Foil
2 Keldon Marauders Foil
2 Mogg War Marshal
2 Plated Geopede Foil
2 Stormblood Berserker Foil
3 Hell's Thunder
3 Keldon Vandals
3 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Avalance Riders Foil
4 Flametongue Kavu
4 Goblin Ruinblaster
4 Hellrider Foil
4 Hero of Oxid Ridge
4 Keldon Champion Foil
5 Siege-Gang Commander
6 Crater Hellion
6 Inferno Titan [promo foil]
0 Fireblast [PDS foil]
1 Burst Lightning Foil
1 Chain Lightning
1 Firebolt Foil
1 Flame Slash
1 Forked Bolt Foil
1 Lightning Bolt Foil
1 Rift Bolt
2 Incinerate Foil
2 Magma Jet [promo foil]
2 Pyroclasm
2 Shrine of Burning Rage [promo foil]
3 Brimstone Volley Foil
3 Char
3 Pillage [PDS foil]
3 Slagstorm
3 Staggershock Foil
3 Sulfuric Vortex
3 Wheel of Fortune
4 Chandra, the Firebrand
4 Koth of the Hammer [proxy]
4 Manabarbs
5 Chandra Nalaar
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Llanowar Elves Foil
1 Pouncing Jaguar
2 Albino Troll
2 Fauna Shaman
2 Lotus Cobra [proxy]
2 Mire Boa Foil
2 River Boa Foil
2 Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Skinshifter
2 Strangleroot Geist
2 Tarmogoyf
2 Viridian Emissary
2 Wall of Blossoms
2 Wall of Roots [promo foil]
2 Wild Mongrel
3 Great Sable Stag
3 Ohran Viper
3 Troll Ascetic
3 Uktabi Orangutan
3 Viridian Shaman
3 Yavimaya Elder [altered]
4 Blastoderm [promo foil]
4 Briarhorn Foil
4 Chameleon Colossus
4 Obstinate Baloth
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Spike Weaver
4 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Vengevine
4 Wickerbough Elder
5 Deranged Hermit
5 Genesis
5 Mold Shambler Foil
5 Vorapede Foil
6 Primeval Titan
6 Rampaging Baloths [promo foil]
8 Woodfall Primus
1 Rancor
1 Worldly Tutor
2 Explore [altered]
2 Regrowth
2 Survival of the Fittest [proxy]
2 Sylvan Library
3 Cultivate
3 Krosan Tusker [FNM]
4 Bramblecrush Foil
4 Garruk Wildspeaker [promo foil]
4 Harmonize
5 Overrun
5 Plow Under
2 Epochrasite
2 Perilous Myr
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Porcelain Legionnaire Foil
2 Spellskite
3 Phyrexian Metamorph [promo foil]
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Masticore
4 Molten-Tail Masticore Foil
4 Solemn Simulacrum
5 Batterskull
5 Precursor Golem Foil
5 Razormane Masticore Foil
6 Steel Hellkite [promo foil]
6 Thopter Assembly Foil
6 Wurmcoil Engine [promo foil]
7 Myr Battlesphere Foil
8 Sundering Titan [FTV Foil]
0 City of Brass
0 Dust Bowl
0 Gemstone Mine
0 Grand Colisseum
0 Maze of Ith
0 Mishra's Factory
0 Mutavault
0 Reflecting pool
0 Rishidan Port [proxy]
0 Strip Mine
0 Tectonic Edge
0 Wasteland
0 Mox Diamond
1 Bonesplitter Foil
1 Cursed Scroll
1 Dismember
1 Sensei's Diving Top
2 Ankh of Mishra
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Isochron Scepter [fnm]
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Mind Stone [promo foil]
2 Scroll Rack
2 Sphere of the Suns Foil
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Winter Orb
3 Coalition Relic
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Grafted Wargear
3 Mimic Vat
3 Oblivion Stone
3 Ring of Gix
3 Sword of Body and Mind
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Sword of Light and Shadow
3 Sword of War and Peace
3 Tangle Wire
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
8 Cards each guild, 4 Land - 4 Non-Land
1 Venser, the Sojourner
1 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Absorb
1 Flooded Strand
1 Celestial Colonnade
1 Tundra [proxy]
1 Duergar Hedge-Mage Foil
1 Figure of Destiny Foil
1 Ajani Vengeant Foil
1 Plateau [proxy]
1 Battlefield Forge
1 Arid Mesa
1 Stormbind
1 Bloodbraid Elf Foil
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Stomping Ground [proxy]
1 Taiga [proxy]
1 Raging Ravine
1 Mystic Snake Foil
1 Trygon Predator
1 Simic Sky Swallower
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Breeding Pool [proxy]
1 Tropical Island [proxy]
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
1 Vindicate [proxy]
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Scrubland
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Marsh Flats
1 Electrolyze
1 Fire // Ice
1 Prophetic Bolt
1 Volcanic Island [proxy]
1 Steam Vents
1 Izzet Boilerworks
1 Kitchen Finks Foil
1 Windswept Heath
1 Loam Lion Foil
1 Savannah [proxy]
1 Temple Garden [proxy]
1 Qasali Pridemage [altered]
1 Maelstrom Pulse Foil
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Putrefy
1 Bayou [proxy]
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Blightning
1 Murderous Redcap Foil
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Badlands
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Shadowmage Infiltrator
1 Psychatog Foil
1 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
1 Watery Grave [proxy]
1 Polluted Delta [proxy]
1 Underground Sea [proxy]
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind Foil
1 Wild Nacatl [promo foil]
1 Noble Hierarch [proxy]
1 Broodmate Dragon
I'm looking to do away with the 'wedge' section, as I feel that Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker and Broodmate Dragon rarely get played. However, the others in this section are staples and need to be kept. Ideas for cards to replace those two with or a way to reorganize and get rid of this section?
Also, If you feel I've missed out any great cards, feel free to suggest either just cards you feel are overlooked or even suggest substitutions!
1 Branching Bolt
Prefer to Cut:
1 Broodmate Dragon
1 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
1 Cunning Sparkmage
1 Terrastomper
1 Kami of Ancient Law
1 Nether Void
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Taurean Mauler
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
Those kind enough to provide helpful insight will be forever commemorated here!
Thanks again to:
eidolon232
duckpants
Sexyindiancurry
swaps: [old -> new]
Sylvan Ranger -> Strangleroot Geist
Blade of the Sixth Pride -> Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Innocent Blood-> Gravecrawler
Terminate -> Blightning
Desolation Angel -> Lingering Souls
Geist of Saint Traft -> Momentary Blink
Browbeat -> Slagstorm
Furnace Scamp -> Flame Slash
cut:
Memnite
Forge Devil
swaps: [old -> new]
Terra Stomper -> Vorapede
Decree of Justice -> Wall of Omens
Taurean Mauler -> Brimstone Volley
Cunning Sparkmage -> Reckless Waif
Grab the Reins -> Hellrider
Angel of Despair -> Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Wall of Denial -> Geist of Saint Traft
swaps: [old -> new]
Mana Tithe -> Cloudshift
Blazing Spectre -> Olivia Voldaren
The mana symbols for abilities are inverted too, colorless should come first.
This would lead to it being 'whoever has the bigger creature wins'
Sprout Swarm seems really good with Parallel Lives