Thank You all for your thoughts ther eis a lot to consider.
Obzedat, Ghost Council is a possibility too. What are your thoughts. He Pings like Aethros but you get life gain to help survive being targeted. I assume after people see a mass zombie deck that takes 5 to 10 life a turn from everybody a couple of times you are going to be in hot water.
SO with the release of the new set emminent I am salivating at the thought of a black white zombie deck with Wayward Servant and endless ranks of the dead as a fun win con. but am not sure about what General to choose. Athros can recycle the cheap zombies maybe and speed up the burn but Oloro is tempting to just ignore blue and let sit in my command zone and collect 2 life a turn Finally there is Ravos SDoul Tender though I have no one to partner him with he can pump up cheap zombie tokens while giving my graveyard some recursion. ... Thoughts as
Why Sliver Queen- Because she is not viewed as much as a threat as other five colored commanders. The last thing this deck needs is to be targeted early.
Why Gods- They are indestructable and they bring game changing effects they dont need to be creatures to start
Isochron- Is a strategy in itself it might get targeted early. if I get it off once I am OK but would prefer twice for card efficency.
How it wins- Its going to win by beats and holding on. This Deck is reactionary.
Sneaky Combo- Kessig Wolf Run and Inkmoth Nexus for evaison poison or indestructables. You will need mana to make it work though... lots of mana or Xenagos
Strategy Early game it is about building your mana base there is enough cheap bodies to keep you in the game early. 15% of your deck devoted to gods is a lot I figure I should cut a 2 or three of them I could use another mountain and demonic tutor would be an addition eventually I need a little more cheap card draw to help possibly another blue chip game win card would strength the deck
If there is anything you see that can be shored up let me know I am looking to tighten it upand make it better. Cuts and replacements are great Please let me know
It is in there for mill protection My first line of defence is Kozilek but if anything is going to get exiled it's him. But am wondering if I really need to worry about mill
They seem like good choices. I will see if my local card shop has them.I want to take this deck to GP NJ next week and am afraid if I order online I wont get them in time. I especially like the totem
What are your thoughts on the Jesters Cap and Elixer of Immortality
I am not loyal to the cards for theme reasons. I figures with Avacyn as my commander I would have a target on my back because indestructables is difficult to deal with. So I wanted drops along the mana curve just to stay alive What I was looking for most in fliers is first strike for survivability until Avacyn hits and then vigilance to ping in the air but still maintain a blocking force.
Its a mana ramp to Avacyn and when your creatures are indestructable you have a serious advantage Armageddon and Worldslayer are game enders. [car]Nevinyrral's Disk[/card] is the energized bunny that just wont stop. Creatures are focused on flying as a form of evasion. Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Grafted Exoskeleton instantly takes a player out of the game but it is one use because it will be targeted immediately. so you have to drop it the turn you attack with her as a surprise play.
I am looking for suggestions on cards to replace and with what in order to make this deck better. I am not sure if Jester's Cap and Elixir of Immortality is efficient in this deck and should be replaced as well Thanks in advance for your thoughts and help.
OK Revisions are done for now any other thoughts to improve... I would like to add in Standstill is there a weaker card to take our or is it the best cur for the cards in the deck.
Great concept with Marelin How do you assure that she gets out consistantly. If someone is playing combo though Marelin could hand them the game. Since you are running Thassa and can make your creatures unblockable how about Inquisitor's Flail for some extra kick Grafted Exoskeleton would be brutal especially if you can get Xenegos out as well
Tonight is gonna be the first night playing with that list, I've made a lot of changes to the deck since I've had it. Exoskeleton competes with the four drop spot though, which is where you want to be casting yidris
@ tooGruuling2tell
Exoskeleton doesn't compete at 4 it is really a 6 drop. The grafted exoskeleton is a card that when it drops you become the target so you do not play it until you can play equip and attack all at once
Great concept with Marelin How do you assure that she gets out consistantly. If someone is playing combo though Marelin could hand them the game. Since you are running Thassa and can make your creatures unblockable how about Inquisitor's Flail for some extra kick Grafted Exoskeleton would be brutal especially if you can get Xenegos out as well
Yeah I love pairing first strike/double strike with death touch I was disappointed Red did not get a God or an artifact that bestowed first strike on their creatures.
I ordered some cards Urbog and cabal coffers gonna give expropriate a run and we will see how things pan out with the next batch of cards that come in. For now Updated cuts
I agree with Lexandur except in one case. Bow of Nylea is amazing with Yidris because of the interaction between trample and deathtouch. With this combination of keywords you can assign 1 damage to the blocking creature and trample over for the rest. Anyone blocking Yidris would have to quintuple block to prevent his trigger that turn.
So I'm not opposed to unblockable Yidris. I like that idea and there isn't anything wrong with it. Here are a few points on my style of Yidris. I do have the same general goal as you which is to cast fatties so we're on the same page there. I just think you need a good ramp package to cast fatties fast enough.
1.) First of all, Tempt with Discovery is only good because your opponents have no discipline. The correct play against that card is to NOT take the offer. If no one takes the offer then it doesn't do much of anything. If people in your group don't get this or they dont care, then great. Assuming everyone takes the offer, the only problem with that card is that it doesn't ramp INTO Yidris, and costs 4 on your curve which is awkward if you want to focus on the commander. BUT! I will admit that 4 mana for any ~3 lands is pretty amazing if they let you get Coffers and Urborg each time. Pretty OP.
2.) Two drop ramp spells are awesome because they give you a turn 3 Yidris. This is the crux of my deck. Ramp on turn 2, cast the commander turn 3, and then use all my remaining ramp to get ahead on mana and cards turn 4. It's fairly easy to attack and get the cascade trigger on turn 4. Yidris isn't small and trample helps. Then you get to give cards like Cultivate cascade which actually creates a good amount or card advantage.
3.) Cheating mana can be a really sweet way to enable BIG cascades earlier in the game. In particular delve is really good here. Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, Tasigur, the Golden Fang, Murderous Cut are some examples of cards that can give you good value for small amounts of mana. Give them cascade and you're really doing it, this is unique to Yidris.
4.) Expropriate. This card is stupid amazing in every way, its my favorite thing to cascade from. You always vote first and I always vote for time (you cant really vote for money as you already control all your own permanents right?) the correct play for you opponents is to vote for money but... every extra vote for time is amazing. Maybe this card isn't appropriate for you or your group but I mentioned it because its my favorite.
I need to take time this evening to review is all and make revisions to my deck. This is good stuff. Couple of questions before I start.
1) We just use the commander banned list Is expropriate legal?
2) are you relying on ydris to bypass your lands and just cast cards and if you draw a land it is no big deal? I would be worried about mana flood in your hand?
Obzedat, Ghost Council is a possibility too. What are your thoughts. He Pings like Aethros but you get life gain to help survive being targeted. I assume after people see a mass zombie deck that takes 5 to 10 life a turn from everybody a couple of times you are going to be in hot water.
5 Sliver Queen
Creatures- Those peons to do the queens bidding
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2 Waterfront Bouncer
3 Athreos, God of Passage
3 Civic Wayfinder
3 Daxos of Meletis
3 Eternal Witness
3 Pharika, God of Affliction
3 Predator Ooze
3 Primordial Hydra
3 Thassa, God of the Sea
4 Elvish Piper
4 Erebos, God of the Dead
4 Ephara, God of the Polis
4 Heliod, God of the Sun
4 Iroas, God of Victory
4 Morgis, God of Slaughter
4 Olivia Voldaren
4 Nylea, God of the Hunt
4 Purphoros, God of the Forge
5 Acidic Slime
5 Consuming Aberration
5 Karametra, God of Harvests
5 Keranos, God of Storms
5 Kruphix, God of Horizons
5 Phenax, God of Deception
5 Seedguide Ash
5 Xenagos, God of Revels
6 Aurelia, the Warleader
6 Soul of the Harvest
7 Krosan Tusker
7 Moldgraf Monstrosity
7 Sheoldred, Whispering One
8 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
10 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
10 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
2 Isochron Scepter
3 Godsend
3 Helvault
4 Otherworld Atlas
4 Thran Dynamo
5 Ring of Three Wishes
2 Darksteel Mutation
5 Assemble the Legion
5 Dictate of Karametra
5 Mind Control
6 Sorin Markov
1 Farseek
3 Cultivate
3 Kodama's Reach
4 Black Sun's Zenith
4 Diabolic Tutor
4 Peregrination
4 Seek the Horizon
4 Tempt with Discovery
5 Frenzied Tilling
5 Increasing Ambition
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Boomerang
2 Boros Charm
2 Signal the Clans
3 Harrow
0 Arid Mesa
0 Azorius Chancery
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Boros Garrison
0 Buried Ruin
0 Drowned Catacomb
0 Evolving Wilds
0 Hallowed Fountain
0 Inkmoth Nexus
0 Izzet Boilerworks
0 Kessig Wolf Run
0 Mystifying Maze
0 Overgrown Tomb
0 Plateau
0 Reliquary Tower
0 Sacred Foundry
0 Selesnya Sanctuary
0 Steam Vents
0 Stomping Ground
0 Temple Garden
0 Terramorphic Expanse
0 Windswept Heath
2 Island
1 Mountain
2 Plains
4 Swamp
Why Sliver Queen- Because she is not viewed as much as a threat as other five colored commanders. The last thing this deck needs is to be targeted early.
Why Gods- They are indestructable and they bring game changing effects they dont need to be creatures to start
Isochron- Is a strategy in itself it might get targeted early. if I get it off once I am OK but would prefer twice for card efficency.
How it wins- Its going to win by beats and holding on. This Deck is reactionary.
Sneaky Combo- Kessig Wolf Run and Inkmoth Nexus for evaison poison or indestructables. You will need mana to make it work though... lots of mana or Xenagos
Strategy Early game it is about building your mana base there is enough cheap bodies to keep you in the game early. 15% of your deck devoted to gods is a lot I figure I should cut a 2 or three of them I could use another mountain and demonic tutor would be an addition eventually I need a little more cheap card draw to help possibly another blue chip game win card would strength the deck
If there is anything you see that can be shored up let me know I am looking to tighten it upand make it better. Cuts and replacements are great Please let me know
Thanks in Advance
What are your thoughts on the Jesters Cap and Elixer of Immortality
8 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Creatures- The Airstrip is Ready
1 Mother of Runes
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2 Concordia Pegasus
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Fiendslayer Paladin
3 Pilgrim's Eye
3 Silverblade Paladin
3 Sunspire Griffin
3 Voiceless Spirit
4 Abbey Griffin
4 Cloud Crusader
4 Magus of the Disk
4 Razorfoot Griffin
4 Seraph of Dawn
5 Baneslayer Angel
5 Ghostly Sentinel
5 Herald of War
5 Peregrine Griffin
5 Serra Angel
5 Shepherd of the Lost
6 Sun Titan
7 Emeria Shepherd
7 Serra Avatar
7 Eternal Dragon
10 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
0 Lotus Petal
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Expedition Map
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
2 Journeyer's Kite
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Marble Diamond
2 Scroll Rack
2 Swiftfoot Boots
3 Oblivion Stone
3 Palladium Myr
3 Quietus Spike
3 Whispersilk Cloak
4 Grafted Exoskeleton
4 Hedron Archive
4 Jester's Cap
4 Moonsilver Spear
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
4 Thran Dynamo
5 Ring of Three Wishes
5 Worldslayer
6 Argentum Armor
Enchantments- Upgrading Coach to First Class
1 Land Tax
2 Darksteel Mutation
4 Armored Ascension
4 Curse of Exhaustion
6 True Conviction
3 Remember the Fallen
4 Armageddon
4 Day of Judgment
4 Divine Reckoning
5 Entreat the Angels
Instants- Sometimes precise surgery is what you need
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
Palneswalkers- Everybody needs a copilot
6 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Lands - It's the additives that makes the jet feul
28 Plains
0 Ancient Tomb
0 Buried Ruin
0 Cavern of Souls
0 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
0 High Market
0 Homeward Path
0 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
0 Seraph Sanctuary
0 Temple of the False God
Its a mana ramp to Avacyn and when your creatures are indestructable you have a serious advantage Armageddon and Worldslayer are game enders. [car]Nevinyrral's Disk[/card] is the energized bunny that just wont stop. Creatures are focused on flying as a form of evasion. Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Grafted Exoskeleton instantly takes a player out of the game but it is one use because it will be targeted immediately. so you have to drop it the turn you attack with her as a surprise play.
I am looking for suggestions on cards to replace and with what in order to make this deck better. I am not sure if Jester's Cap and Elixir of Immortality is efficient in this deck and should be replaced as well Thanks in advance for your thoughts and help.
1 Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
2 Waterfront Bouncer
3 Lorescale Coatl
3 Predator Ooze
3 Thassa, God of the Sea
4 Gamekeeper
5 Acidic Slime
5 Consuming Aberration
5 Kruphix, God of Horizons
5 Seedborn Muse
5 Seedguide Ash
5 Thicket Elemental
5 Xenagos, God of Revels
6 Arcanis the Omnipotent
6 Endbringer
6 Prime Speaker Zegana
6 Soul of the Harvest
7 Hornet Queen
7 Moldgraf Monstrosity
7 Sheoldred, Whispering One
7 Spearbreaker Behemoth
8 Terastodon
9 Artisan of Kozilek
10 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
10 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
11 Pathrazer of Ulamog
11 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
12 It That Betrays
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Scroll Rack
2 Simic Signet
3 Bow of Nylea
3 Helvault
3 Whispersilk Cloak
4 Dragon Throne of Tarkir
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
5 Conjurer's Closet
5 Paradox Engine
5 Tamiyo's Journal
6 Planar Bridge
2 Sylvan Library
3 Phyrexian Arena
4 Abundance
4 From Beyond
5 Corrupted Conscience
5 Dictate of Erebos
5 Mind Control
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Farseek
3 Cultivate
3 Kodama's Reach
4 Diabolic Tutor
4 Explosive Vegetation
4 Rite of Replication
4 Tempt with Discovery
5 Increasing Ambition
6 Interpret the Signs
9 Expropriate
6 Sorin Markov
7 Karn Liberated
1 Vampiric Tutor
6 Supplant Form
6 Forest
5 Island
1 Mountain
5 Swamp
1 Blighted Woodland
1 Breeding Pool
1 Command Tower
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Gruul Turf
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple of Epiphany
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Malice
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
OK Revisions are done for now any other thoughts to improve... I would like to add in Standstill is there a weaker card to take our or is it the best cur for the cards in the deck.
Thanks
@ tooGruuling2tell
Exoskeleton doesn't compete at 4 it is really a 6 drop. The grafted exoskeleton is a card that when it drops you become the target so you do not play it until you can play equip and attack all at once
how did your playtest go?
Great concept with Marelin How do you assure that she gets out consistantly. If someone is playing combo though Marelin could hand them the game. Since you are running Thassa and can make your creatures unblockable how about Inquisitor's Flail for some extra kick Grafted Exoskeleton would be brutal especially if you can get Xenegos out as well
I ordered some cards Urbog and cabal coffers gonna give expropriate a run and we will see how things pan out with the next batch of cards that come in. For now Updated cuts
out Bottled Cloister ---> in Phyrexian Arena
out Giant Adephage ---> in Bow of Nylea
out Standstill ---> in harmonize this is temporary
out Xathrid Gorgon ---> in Rakdos Carnarium
out Covenant of Minds ---> in Simic Signet
out Soul of New Phyrexia ---> in Sol Ring
out Bane of Bala Ged ---> in Terastodon probably will cut this next round
out Mogis, God of Slaughter ---> Conjurer's Closet probably will cut this next round too Not sure if Closet is stronger than Mogis.
I need to take time this evening to review is all and make revisions to my deck. This is good stuff. Couple of questions before I start.
1) We just use the commander banned list Is expropriate legal?
2) are you relying on ydris to bypass your lands and just cast cards and if you draw a land it is no big deal? I would be worried about mana flood in your hand?
Thanks XeroxedFool