Is it allowed to talk leaks here, by the way? (Concerning Scuttle the Wreckage)
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What's there to discuss? This is a 4 mana spell that isn't even good. I suspect this card is barely playable in standard, I don't know how you slot it in to this 8 non-creature spell deck.
Is there a reason people in the Mono black one are playing 0 Lili? But are playing a bunch of the 5 drop?
Also what's the white version running infinite 3 drops AND only 20 land, seems like the B/W could be built much better. But I'm horrible at deck building so I just have no idea what to do.
Jesus dude, I picked up this deck a few weeks ago and have been playing at local events, I have only lost 3 matches so far and 2 of them have been to Tron, and they never feel close.
Is there any reason to play this deck without Blood Moon in it? Waiting until after MM hits to pick up my set finally, been eyeing this deck for a while.
Well then, you must have gotten lucky. There are a number of design choices which will lead that deck to be highly inconsistent.
For example:
It has many double color spells in both red and black, several at 2cmc and 3cmc. To reliably cast 2cmc card with double color, you need about 20 sources. However, that list only has 13 reliable sources of red and 14 reliable sources of black. Even if you count Aether Hub as a full source, you will still end up with around only 70-80% reliability on each colour. Which works out to be pretty bad overall for your games.
It plays Fiery Temper, and yet only 3 ways to discard it? No less, it's Bomat Courier, which is unlikely to get popped until T5-T6 with that curve.
Aforementioned 22 lands with 1x 6-drop (2x if you count the sideboard). Though that isn't the only issue. It also plays, 4x 5-drops, and 4x 4-drops. There is not nearly enough land to support that curve.
It plays Yahenni, a sac outlet, but only 13 other creatures, 3 of which want to sacrifice themselves for value.
It plays Unlicensed Disintegration with only 7x artifacts to enable its extra damage. This is the least offending issue, since at least its still a removal spell.
It plays a stack of creature removal, which is dead against control decks. It doesn't play much in the way of card advantage, so it is going to 1-for-1 for the first few turns, then gas out against Green and Blue decks without much to show for it.
In other words, its looks like a bad deck.
Edit: Also, I said I was having fun with the Mono Red deck (the Big Red deck mentioned above, i.e. a midrange deck). I didn't say it was good. But I will say its likely better than the BR deck linked.
Like I said, I changed it around a bit, I completely cut Temper because it seems very bad in this specifically. I had 0 mana problems in my playing. Maybe my list is better than this one? Maybe I just got lucky like you said. On your other points, even with nothing to sac to him Yahenni is just good, remove a couple of creatures in play with him and you got yourself a big boy, I won a game off jamming him turn 3 backed by removal. I added 2 lands, I agree 22 is actually horrible.
And a lot of decks run removal in this game, are you supposed to just not play removal because of the existence of control decks? I don't understand that logic at all. Also my SB had a little more aggro element to it for when I was playing with dead removal.
I dunno. That deck looks pretty bad. 6-drops with 22 lands? Double black and double red spells? No thanks. Though, I have been having fun with a modified version of that Mono Red deck.
There is 1 6 drop, and with Chandra's plus it's very viable.
I played that list with a few modifications at my local tournament tonight and didn't lose a game. Beat G/W Tokens, B/G Counters and a Naya Planeswalker brew. I did add 2 lands because 22 seemed like it was skimming and changed the removal suite a little bit. But this style of deck feels really powerful, early drops backed up by removal, and late game potential seems pretty darn good. I don't know how you can just call it straight up bad like that and in the same breath saying mono red is good.
What do you guys think of the lists in the MTGO leagues that went 5-0?
Looks pretty streamlined to me especially to beat splinter cat, and a little sideboard for midrange strategies. Gonna give it a try this week at a local tournament.
Forerunner of Slaughter could be good in the RB build. Solid aggressive 2-drop that has haste as a 3-drop. Gives our reanimated Scroungers, topdecked Copters, and Nalaar Thopters haste too. I'm thinking I'll try a build trying two off, cutting a Pia and the random Bushwhacker from the stock list. Just needs a slight adjustment to the manabase to accomodate the slightly earlier Black requirements.
I kind of want to do this but am worried about the mana base since the deck is almost mono red. Do you need to add the Zendikar land? With hubs and ruins it just seems so bad.. I wonder if it's worth.
Oh I've had no problem with those decks, I played a bunch of games with my friend who plays those aristocrat style decks all the time and I was just crushing, Kalitas is generally just game 100% of the time, and all of the removal it's just a hard match for them IMO, I am starting to hate black/white though simply because of shambling vent, that card is a pain.
Having a really hard time playing any variation of B/R either mid range or control.
Dying A LOT to Reality Smasher and man lands, one problem I'm seeing is that in a match where my opponent has man lands we grind each other out, but when we are in a sort of top decking mode he has a manland to put his mana into and I don't. Flat out losing a lot of games just to that.
Also Reality Smasher is a problem, you can generally never kill it at instant speed, and when you kill it at sorcery speed you are always doing that classic 2 for 1 on yourself. Feels very bad.
So my friend is new and I try to explain to him over and over again he builds decks with too few lands. He doesn't post on forums so I am doing it for him, can you give him some advice on the deck so I can show him? He won't listen to me even though I've been playing this game for a very long time.
I can tell you with 100 million % certainty it doesn't belong in this deck, suspect if it belongs in any deck honestly.
And I've been testing out your list OP because B/R is just what I always tend to play and I like it a lot, the one problem I've been having is green based midrange decks, it seems like after the grindfest is over they come out ahead with the card that returns things with different CMC from the graveyard or what have you.
What's there to discuss? This is a 4 mana spell that isn't even good. I suspect this card is barely playable in standard, I don't know how you slot it in to this 8 non-creature spell deck.
Also what's the white version running infinite 3 drops AND only 20 land, seems like the B/W could be built much better. But I'm horrible at deck building so I just have no idea what to do.
How in the actual hell do you beat this deck?
Like I said, I changed it around a bit, I completely cut Temper because it seems very bad in this specifically. I had 0 mana problems in my playing. Maybe my list is better than this one? Maybe I just got lucky like you said. On your other points, even with nothing to sac to him Yahenni is just good, remove a couple of creatures in play with him and you got yourself a big boy, I won a game off jamming him turn 3 backed by removal. I added 2 lands, I agree 22 is actually horrible.
And a lot of decks run removal in this game, are you supposed to just not play removal because of the existence of control decks? I don't understand that logic at all. Also my SB had a little more aggro element to it for when I was playing with dead removal.
There is 1 6 drop, and with Chandra's plus it's very viable.
I played that list with a few modifications at my local tournament tonight and didn't lose a game. Beat G/W Tokens, B/G Counters and a Naya Planeswalker brew. I did add 2 lands because 22 seemed like it was skimming and changed the removal suite a little bit. But this style of deck feels really powerful, early drops backed up by removal, and late game potential seems pretty darn good. I don't know how you can just call it straight up bad like that and in the same breath saying mono red is good.
Not sure how much to read into them.
Looks pretty streamlined to me especially to beat splinter cat, and a little sideboard for midrange strategies. Gonna give it a try this week at a local tournament.
I kind of want to do this but am worried about the mana base since the deck is almost mono red. Do you need to add the Zendikar land? With hubs and ruins it just seems so bad.. I wonder if it's worth.
Dying A LOT to Reality Smasher and man lands, one problem I'm seeing is that in a match where my opponent has man lands we grind each other out, but when we are in a sort of top decking mode he has a manland to put his mana into and I don't. Flat out losing a lot of games just to that.
Also Reality Smasher is a problem, you can generally never kill it at instant speed, and when you kill it at sorcery speed you are always doing that classic 2 for 1 on yourself. Feels very bad.
LANDS 19
He wants 19 lands in this deck... 4 drops and 5 drops..
I can tell you with 100 million % certainty it doesn't belong in this deck, suspect if it belongs in any deck honestly.
And I've been testing out your list OP because B/R is just what I always tend to play and I like it a lot, the one problem I've been having is green based midrange decks, it seems like after the grindfest is over they come out ahead with the card that returns things with different CMC from the graveyard or what have you.