Double-faced cards? That's fine.
I don't get premium cards just for playing anymore? That's fine, it's a recession.
Wizards can't shell out the cash for something that looks like it came out of a gumball machine? W...T....F.
What really gets me is that they could just as easily make this back, heck they could profit on the pins by just making it a requirement that the people running PTQ's buy them! Tack a $50 fee onto the startup costs of running a large event for "materials" and people are still lining up to host them.
Run out of boosters before the new set comes out? Dude I think that is a problem with your store, not a supply prob from WOTC. I've never walked into a store that didn't have boosters in stock 100% to god.
Sure, printing promos of cards will drop the original price of originals but honestly, how can you not understand that more packs (when we already have a surplus) will not make cards cheaper? The fact that all sets are made in plentiful amounts (ie all stores have their order forfilled), how is making more packs going to make things cheaper?
I'm not sure how to explain it any better.
I said the distributor. not the shop...
the distributor has RAN OUT of product, and they can NOT get anymore, because WotC has no extras to give. understand?
your statement of having a surplus is not accurate.
You seem to have a sub-par understanding of everything. Please stop life.
I agree. jules d1 dosn't understand.
This is also besides the point.
making more cards drops the price. plain and simple. more PROMOs etc..
My store has had to stop drafting the sets before the next one came out because the suppliers RAN OUT OF BOXES.
who know how many more, dismembers, missteps, karns, etc. we could have opened? garruks, solemns, and gideons?
also@ yanloup: our stores never have anything in stock! I want to buy something as big as garruk, and I cant... I can't buy an emrakul, for my eldrazi green, modern, and legacy decks, and I can't even buy something as simple as tezzerets gambit for my tezzeret deck! so most of the time I just order things from the internent without even looking. my shop in jax won't even sell me their show and tells.. and they have 4!! /rant
And if I forgot what it was, i would walk into my local card store and see their display of it. sure the packs a few $$ more but Its the cards in it that made it expensive, not the amount made.
They could have made another 30% extra but jace still would have been the same price.
so you're saying that when there is more supply, the price stays the same?
WotC just needs to print more cards... I think people would spend the same amount of money anyways.
Player A purchased a new $400 deck because prices are so high.
Alternate universe: player A purchased 4 $100 dollar decks because the prices are so high.
There are tons of players out there that choose to never be competitive because they can't afford 3x of said $30 card. These casual players then choose to not play at FNMs or PTQs because they know that they will get womped on for having a budget deck... many of these same players then choose to play casual EDH with friends on the kitchen table.
High prices drive away a mass player base that could actually be spending more money due to attending FNMs, drafts and other casual sanctioned events.
WotC has not yet figured out the right balance of card worth and the maximum number of players attending events.
My Proposition on "printing more cards"
1. Print more cards. If say, WotC prints 20,000 cases of M12, they should instead print 35,000 cases.
2. They should print more expected money cards in the starter sets.
3. Make more money cards promos. Game day promos, FNM promos, that promo you get when you buy a box...
4. They should print foil packs like they did in alara. I'm guessing they didn't sell well or something... but hey, with the magic player base growing, maybe it could work again? I would like to do an all foil draft
5. Give out MORE booster packs at PTQs, states, regionals etc. and not just up the packs by 6 or 9. I'm talking about BOXES. The winner should get a CASE of product. 5th-8th a box at least. 3rd-4th should get 2 boxes. And 2nd should get 3 boxes.
And to add on to #5 (because top 8 prizes are small compared to the actual player base size) all entrants to said tournaments should get an entry promo from a previous set. For example, if we had a PTQ today, the entry would be a new promo solemn simulacrum!
Ya, WotC would be giving away a ton of stuff, but imagine the increased number of participants there would be!
I once decided not to go to states, to go have coffee with a friend that i see regularly... but if I could have gotten a promo fauna shaman..?
All in all, I think WotC can fix things, but they just choose not to.
The point of this deck is to power out multi kicked wolfbriars and stampede!! also dungrove elder in the main except for leatherback baloth. if my dungrove is a 4/4 and I stampede, they can't kill him in response, so I should still get a maxed out stampede.
The point of the deck is to power out an emrakul or other monster with quicksilver amulet. the deck also has a plethora of castable creatures incase the amulet just never shows up. AND SUMMONING TRAP
patrick chapin isn't going to steal the lists is he? ...of course not, he will make them better!
this.
this, this, this, this THIS THIS THIS.
I guess you can say that I agree.. with THIS
I live in Florida, if that matters for the tourny date.
thanks!
I said the distributor. not the shop...
the distributor has RAN OUT of product, and they can NOT get anymore, because WotC has no extras to give. understand?
your statement of having a surplus is not accurate.
I agree. jules d1 dosn't understand.
This is also besides the point.
making more cards drops the price. plain and simple. more PROMOs etc..
My store has had to stop drafting the sets before the next one came out because the suppliers RAN OUT OF BOXES.
who know how many more, dismembers, missteps, karns, etc. we could have opened? garruks, solemns, and gideons?
also@ yanloup: our stores never have anything in stock! I want to buy something as big as garruk, and I cant... I can't buy an emrakul, for my eldrazi green, modern, and legacy decks, and I can't even buy something as simple as tezzerets gambit for my tezzeret deck! so most of the time I just order things from the internent without even looking. my shop in jax won't even sell me their show and tells.. and they have 4!! /rant
so you're saying that when there is more supply, the price stays the same?
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Player A purchased a new $400 deck because prices are so high.
Alternate universe: player A purchased 4 $100 dollar decks because the prices are so high.
There are tons of players out there that choose to never be competitive because they can't afford 3x of said $30 card. These casual players then choose to not play at FNMs or PTQs because they know that they will get womped on for having a budget deck... many of these same players then choose to play casual EDH with friends on the kitchen table.
High prices drive away a mass player base that could actually be spending more money due to attending FNMs, drafts and other casual sanctioned events.
WotC has not yet figured out the right balance of card worth and the maximum number of players attending events.
My Proposition on "printing more cards"
1. Print more cards. If say, WotC prints 20,000 cases of M12, they should instead print 35,000 cases.
2. They should print more expected money cards in the starter sets.
3. Make more money cards promos. Game day promos, FNM promos, that promo you get when you buy a box...
4. They should print foil packs like they did in alara. I'm guessing they didn't sell well or something... but hey, with the magic player base growing, maybe it could work again? I would like to do an all foil draft
5. Give out MORE booster packs at PTQs, states, regionals etc. and not just up the packs by 6 or 9. I'm talking about BOXES. The winner should get a CASE of product. 5th-8th a box at least. 3rd-4th should get 2 boxes. And 2nd should get 3 boxes.
And to add on to #5 (because top 8 prizes are small compared to the actual player base size) all entrants to said tournaments should get an entry promo from a previous set. For example, if we had a PTQ today, the entry would be a new promo solemn simulacrum!
Ya, WotC would be giving away a ton of stuff, but imagine the increased number of participants there would be!
I once decided not to go to states, to go have coffee with a friend that i see regularly... but if I could have gotten a promo fauna shaman..?
All in all, I think WotC can fix things, but they just choose not to.
2nd blade varients
3rd esper control
4th --- TEZZERET
I'm thinking through the breach might get the axe.
here is a link where you only need 6 cards in hand to get a first turn kill.. before your opponent even gets to lay down his first land!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWIUabf7Lo8&feature=feedu
skip to 6:10
Obvious user who hasn't read the forum rules. No flamming.
do not splash colors in MONOGREEN elf
do not use planes walkers in elf
do not use dismember in elf
do not use fetch lands in elf
do not use tapped lands in elf
this archetype is actually amazing, but you budget players keep messing things up.
use this list. the end. that is all. GG.
4 Arbor Elf
4 Copperhorn Scout
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
4 Fauna Shaman
4 Joraga Treespeaker
2 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
1 Spellskite
3 Sylvan Ranger
4 Vengevine
2 Lead the Stampede
20 Forest
SIDEBOARD
2 Dismember
2 Ezuri's Archers
1 Lead the Stampede
4 Leyline of Vitality
3 Nature's Claim
1 Spellskite
2 Viridian Corrupter
haha lol. Good times. Good times
4 phantasmal image
4 lord of unreal
3 spellskite
4 grand architect
4 phantasmal dragon
1 aether figment
2 batterskull
4 dismember
4 manaleak
2 spellpierce
4 tectonic edge
Monogreen Stompy
The point of this deck is to power out multi kicked wolfbriars and stampede!! also dungrove elder in the main except for leatherback baloth. if my dungrove is a 4/4 and I stampede, they can't kill him in response, so I should still get a maxed out stampede.
4 Arbor elves
2 Joraga treespeaker
4 nest invader
4 lotus cobra
4 dungrove elder
4 vengevine
4 wolfbriar elemental
1 kozileks predator
2 Garruk, Primal hunter (I may switch back to the old garruk for overrun)
4 overwhelming stampede
4 verdant catacombs
4 khalni heart garden
11 forest
Blue Pool
4 treasure mage
4 grand architect
3 augry owl
4 kraken hatchling
1 trinket mage
4 manaleak
2 spell pierce
4 gitaxian probe
4 chalice
2 knowledge pool
1 wurmcoil
4 tectonic edge
4 inkmoth nexus
4 halimar depths
patrick chapin isn't going to steal the lists is he? ...of course not, he will make them better!
4 ancient stirrings
4 explore
4 everflowing chalice
2 into the roil
2 spell skite
4 quicksilver amulet
4 summoning trap
3 emrakul
2 ulamog
2 wurmcoil engine
1 pelakka wurm
4 halimar depths
10 forest
6 islands
Origional Styled Grixis "Sorrin's Vengeance Controle"
2 chandra the firebrand
1 sorrin markov
3 sorrin's vengeance
4 sphere of suns
4 everflowing chalice
4 solemn simulacrum
1 batterskull
2 tezzeret's gambit
2 doom blade
2 galvanic blast
2 slagstorm
4 inquisition
1 grave titan
4 darslick shores
4 blackcleave cliffs
1 drowned catacombs
1 dragonskull summit
4 islands
3 swamps
2 mountains
1 scalding tarn