Quote from iamthib »Getting into the deck so I have kind of a newbie question but I'll ask it.
Agains Show and Tell decks (basically anything that plays reshuffle effects like Emrakul) : the path to go is Blue Sun I get it but can I do the following :
- cast a million draw spells during their turn
- wish for brain freeze
- cast brain freeze an mill their deck + emrakul shuffle trigger on the stack
- wish for blue sun
- cast blue sun for 1 so thei can't draw and proceed to lose
I'm asking it because I'm having issues generating enough mana to cast a blue sun for enough to make them draw their deck.
Is it possible or the does Emrakul's reshuffle happen before all the brain freeze copies resolve?
It doesn't quite work the way you want. Because each brain freeze copy resolves separately, there is the opportunity for triggered abilities and casting spells in between each of them resolving. As soon as one brain freeze flips emrakul, the emrakul trigger is put on the stack to resolve or be responded to.
Now, with that in mind, Emrakul is still not the end of the world, it just makes our lives a little harder. In general, Blue Sun's Zenith is not going to be effective/reliable for killing Sneak Show because we don't normally generate the same obscene amounts of mana as Spiral Tide. Instead, we need to combo a bit harder than normal. When you go for the kill, you're going to want a lethal storm count, brain freeze, cunning wish, and any of Snapcaster mage, Cunning wish, or Remand.
First, aim your brain freeze at the opponent and have them start resolving one brain freeze at a time (this is technically the way it's always supposed to be done, but most of the time you can shortcut it verses other decks because nobody has any effects that matter from the milling). I recommend using a die to count down each storm copy resolving. When one of the freezes hits emrakul, you're going to have them pause. At this point, you need to make a judgment call. If they had an anomalous draw, you may have them low enough in their deck to shortcut by wishing for USZ and making them draw the amount left in the deck. If not, you should wish for Surgical Extraction and exile all of their emrakuls. At this point, you can either:
- Wish again, this time for ravenous trap to invalidate the shuffle. Freecast ravenous trap and then let the stack resolve normally.
- Let the shuffle occur, then remand your brain freeze and recast it.
- Let the shuffle occur and the stack resolve down normally, then Snapcaster your brain freeze.
With very weird draws, you can also just remand and recast your brain freeze in response to each emrakul trigger and then kill them with all their emrakuls in their yard with triggers trapped on the stack (this does involve eventually wishing for USZ though).
So it's definitely a bit more work to kill sneak show, but you should be able to do it even without generating the ~50 mana for a straight USZ kill.