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    posted a message on Mafia Hosting Sign-Ups & Hosting Rules
    I need someone to review my game, so if you've got the nipples required to review, send me a PM please

    EDIT: Gentleman Johnny has got the nipples and offered, thanks
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Well Iso, sorry. Nice reads, you had the scumteam pegged and I was very wrong on Cyan.

    However your play especially early game was scummy and even if we hadn't lynched you and lynched Gen/Rhand instead, me and I'm sure others would still have been paranoid about you. I stand by what I said during the game, your lynch helped the town.

    I'm happy I had a few things right... Kami and Generic (post Iso flip, I read him as scum and tried to investigate him even though he blocked me). I think my Kami investigation in particular was helpful because he was playing in a way that would be hard to nail for anything in particular.

    GG guys
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    posted a message on Is Counterspell too good for Modern?
    Counterspell is not too good; against most decks mana leak is basically the same card.
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    posted a message on Staff of the Death Magus
    You're right, activating an ability isn't the same as casting a spell so the Staff won't trigger. Hope I helped
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Then again, who doesn't?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Think about it like this, Tom... what other choice does an RBer have, knowing that his targets get flavor? There was only one claimed PR D1, 2.5 D2 (since I'm not sure the scum caught my breadcrumb)... N1 Sepi was the only real choice for RB, D2 it was either you or him (or me but again not sure if the scum caught my crumbs). Who else would he roleblock?

    Sepi: You're literally saying that Jailer is meant to be used as a roleblocker. How is Dan using it? He's roleblocking all our PRs. I don't see how he justifies that as a townie move.

    If he's scum I doubt he even cares about the flavor PM that makes no sense. He could just target who he wants and assume that the town would not relate the PMs to his ability.

    I also think that if I was a town jailer, I'd be trying to use the protection clause much more than the roleblocking clause. I'd definitely target the town PRs that say they can't use their ability that Night, rather than taking a shot in the dark to roleblock scum.

    Quote from Wheat_Grinder »

    I agree there's something kooky about the balance. Maybe it actually is 5 scum total; greater numbers for scum vs. greater power for town. It feels weird that we have double protection even with downsides vs. few kills though, unless there are kills that have been getting blocked.

    I really doubt 5 scum, because in the signups Bolly said the game could be run with 18 or 17 players instead of 19. If it's balanced at 19, cutting anything when you have 5 scum throws it off a bit. I could be wrong though so 5 scum isn't out of the question.

    Good point about another kill possibly being stopped each Night so far. It's a possibility.

    Quote from Iso »

    @Tom: What a waste of a post. I'm flipping town, so you'd goddamn better be Copping Cyan toNight. And "dan is confirmed town because the scum Roleblocker wouldn't target the Vig or the Cop" is such a bad argument that it's hilarious. Laughing Mind you, dan is town, but this logic is horrendously flawed, much like every single other argument you've made in this game.

    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=Pd1_I_giv28&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=Pd1_I_giv28&quot; width="425" height="350" movie="http://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=Pd1_I_giv28&quot; wmode="transparent"/>
    Do not let them get away with a win or I will be voting this Worst Town Performance of 2015 when the awards roll around next year.

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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sepiriel »
    so long as there is a possibility (in other words so long as we dont have a Cop result or a Flip)

    Similar logic can also be used to not fully trust me as a cop, though, too Wink

    I might be using the term "conftown" a bit too loosely, but I feel like Dan is cleared until there is reason to unclear him. I also think it's better to play considering those kinda players as town rather than to be worried about them being scum. I'll also point out that there are different levels of being "cleared", for example I am more confident that you are town than I am about Dan, as I tried to note in the T/S list.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sepiriel »

    2) There is even a slight possibility you could shoot during the Day AND the following Night, which is practically impossible in a Normal.
    Not necessarily, consider the scenario where instead of being a full Vig using the Daykill turns me into an X-Shot, i would have then been able to shoot that Night as well roleblocking me ensured i may have possibly wasted my shot if such had been the case

    I just don't see scum guessing that's the case, let alone acting upon that guess. It's possible, but far from likely.

    From where I stand, too much needs to be assumed in order from Dan to be scum, so Occam solidly points to town. And you've got to trust Occam, else you too Sepi wouldn't be conftown and could be a scum strongman who shot his buddy Day 1 for town points. That's obviously not the case, but, ya'know, it's possible too.

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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sepiriel »
    EBWOP: @Tom: My actual contention is that you are putting KJ/Dan in the conf. town sides based on your assumptions, it would be much healthier to the game state and your analysis to put them at the top of your townish list instead.

    The whole list is on the assumption that Iso is scum, in which case KJ is almost certainly town and Dan is already town for the reasons I've stated and firmly believe.

    @Dan: Jail whoever you think is best to jail, don't listen to others and don't tell us what you're going to do.

    @Sepi: Given that I don't want to be jailed tonight and we don't know whether KJ has more protections or not, trying to arrange some sort of plan with their abilities and have that plan be available to the scum doesn't seem like a great idea.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Sepi I'll agree that it is possible a scum roleblocker made those choices, though they don't really seem like good choices because it means the scum are assuming 1) I'm lying to all players, including town, about my night action 2) There is even a slight possibility you could shoot during the Day AND the following Night, which is practically impossible in a Normal.

    I just can't see (2) being a thing that happened. There is just no way you could possibly shoot twice before Day 2, and from a scum perspective I'd much rather roleblock whoever I guessed was a PR or even just take a shot in the dark.

    Again I think Dan is town (mainly because of the above, but also his play / kami interaction) and I doubt the scum have a roleblocker. They probably have a godfather (which may be Iso) and some other non-strongman PR, maybe a rolecop. Since the godfather is so powerful it would actually make for a decently balanced game I think.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    No Killjoy, gan_dan's not scum. Sepi got a PM on Night 1, I got one on Night 2.

    That means Gan_dan did target us those nights. And a scum roleblocker would not have made those choices.

    I suppose he could be a scum PR that's not a roleblocker, but if that's the case I can't see him claiming jailer. Later in the game that might be able to be proved wrong. Theres no way he'd be a goon, either.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Assuming Iso flips scum, this is where we stand toMorrow:

    Conftown
    Me (100% conf)
    Sepi (100% conf)
    Chris (100% conf)
    Killjoy (almost conf)
    Gan_Dan (almost conf)

    Townish
    Rhand (Fought Iso hard early on)
    Generic (Fought Iso hard, but it felt awkward)
    Cyan (Kami interaction, though defended Iso)
    TCM (Fought Plow, Kami, Iso... though I'm starting to get a bit paranoid here)
    Hunger (seems town, but maybe just careful scum)
    Huntzilla (kinda sketchy though Citric felt town)

    Scummy
    WG (for that D1 Iso stuff)
    E_P (defended Iso, attacked G_D whom Iso believed to be a PR)

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    What bothers me though... We have 2 masons, a semi-cop, a semi-vig, a semi-doc, and a jailer?

    Whereas there is only 2-3 scum left, probably 2, and the scum we've already killed were goons.

    I'm getting worried about powerful scum roles, namely godfather. I really hope that's what Iso flips. It would kinda make sense for reasons not worth explaining right now.

    I kind of doubt the scum have a roleblocker. None of our PRs have been roleblocked yet it seems.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    I was contemplating that G_D could be a scum roleblocker, but based on his targets that is VERY unlikely.

    He targeted Sepi N1, when Sepi already said there could be a drawback for daykilling, and the chances that Sepi could shoot again that Night is pretty much nothing. A scum roleblocker would not have targeted Sepi.

    I also made it clear that I would not investigate anyone on N2... it's possible a scum roleblocker thought I was lying and wanted to block me anyway, but I don't think it's too likely.

    Mainly for targeting Sepi on N1, with semi-proof from our PMs, Gan_Dan is confirmed town.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sepiriel »

    Mine was basically an explainXKCD page quote for my role's character

    Same, says "[My role name] Explained!" as the title, some text that didn't make sense, and then a link at the end to explainxkcd.com
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Tom »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Sepi, Tom: cab you confirm that you received flavor or somethin?

    I didn't receive anything, but that doesn't mean he's not a jailer. I didn't target anyone last Night.


    Wait I actually did receive a very odd message on Feb 1. Forgot all about it because it made no sense to me.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    @Gan_Dan: Do not jail me toNight.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Sepi, Tom: cab you confirm that you received flavor or somethin?

    I didn't receive anything, but that doesn't mean he's not a jailer. I didn't target anyone last Night.

    I'm an xshot doc like I said, but when I protect someone, I'm bullet proof that night.

    But now that iso claimed bp, I wanted this out there.

    Nice. Not much doubt that Iso is flipping red anymore.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Thats what jailer is, protect + roleblock. He already said who he targeted.

    I can see a doc and a jailer in the same game but...

    Gan_Dan, why did you state that you were CCing Killjoy? If I recall correctly you said something along those lines.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Yes
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Lynch Iso now, figure out the rest toMorrow.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    This whole Day has been waiting for something. I feel like we'll always be waiting for something.
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    posted a message on The Dark Tournament
    I beat Manatee 2-0, but the second game was one of the trickiest and hilarious games I've ever played. It was close.

    Love your deck man, good luck next tournament
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    I'm sick too!
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »
    My point about that is that at some point in the game I was going to see to it that Arch was going to be lynched. I was more intent on cracking the egg that is Rhand/Generic that would have opened up a whole slew of interactive tells once they flipped scum and would have cleared me so that we wouldn't be in this debacle we're currently in.

    Lol, the ego is real.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »
    "Cyan wasn't playing"

    All the more reason to investigate him. An experienced player that's lurking...I can't think of a better target to investigate, except perhaps an active player that's a huge question mark whose alignment revealed would put the pieces of the game into place, like, oh, say...Iso, for example. Rolleyes

    Or he was busy? Surely you could see that as a possibility, since you've stalled this game many days with being busy. He's also argued that he's usually active regardless of alignment, which sounds like a valid argument to me.

    I'd always cop a little-pressured scum-read over an inactive player, and if you disagree with that you're bad.

    "I figured your scummy ass would get lynched either way"

    Look how well that's worked out for you so far. AWESOME

    We're getting there AWESOME

    "you're just mad I'm playing 10 fold better than you this game. and/or mad that you're caught scum."

    Rofl Yeah, okay, Tom. I still expect that apology post-game.

    Nothing personal, but even if you flip town you aren't getting an apology. Your play this game was abysmal, especially if you're town. I'd feel that you'd be the one too apologize. No, if you flip town the best you'll get is me looking more seriously at your scumreads.

    Also, you still haven't answered my question:

    How does townIso play?

    I'm not going to answer this for several reasons. What do you hope to gain from this question?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »
    I'm kind of mad that Tom wasted his Cop on Arch (since he was inevitably going to be lynched) instead of one of Cyan or myself. Like, seriously - talk about suboptimal play.

    hehe haha hoho

    my sides hurt

    no pressure was on kami, cyan wasn't playing, and i figured your scummy ass would get lynched either way.

    you're just mad i'm playing 10 fold better than you this game. and/or mad that you're caught scum.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Please don't claim how many shots you have, nor how many shots you've used, what abilities you've used, or who you've targeted.

    I think it's best to claim nothing at all until a later Day.

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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sir Chris »
    Also I would think that if Iso is actually scum his buddies would have bussed him by now since his wagon has such a wide ranging support, while I would expect at least one scum to hold off (hi cyan maybe this is you) to try to get some street cred.

    I really hate these kind of posts and find them illogical.

    Town can simply not gauge how the scum decide to play. They could be hardcore bussing, they could be lightly bussing, they could be not interacting, they could be lightly buddying, they could be heavily buddying. Who knows? It's pointless to try and figure it out. Posts that say stuff like "at least one of the people on the Plowshares wagon was probably bussing" are extremely pointless because there is a definite chance that's incorrect.

    In my opinion, theories about bussing/buddying should only be mentioned when there is actual text that suggests it's the case.

    Not really a big deal, but a pet peeve that I've seen a lot of this game.



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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sir Chris »
    To go on a bit of a mafia philosophy tangent, mislynching is literally how town loses the game. It should be everyone's # 1 fear. Now mind you it shouldn't paralyze a town from acting, but there is almost nothing more damaging than a mislynch. A right lynch instead of a mislynch is the best bet every time, because it delays scum's victory entirely due to how the numbers game works. The fear of lynching town is very healthy. Now if you're right you are right, but I think towns lose their edge considerably when they lack the fear of a mislynch. Fear it horribly, don't let it strip you of your providence, but fear it please.

    No. How town lose the game is mislynching when they can't afford too. It's very different. I acknowledge that mathematically we fall behind from mislynches, but that math completely ignores other things such as info-gain. (Disclaimer, again I don't think Iso would be a mislynch)

    What I fear is that we lynch Rhand and he flips town. That would be a huge waste and we'd make almost no progress. (And yeah I think Rhand might flip town)
    That being said I do find Rhand to be scummier than Iso yeah. I mean if Iso gets lynched and he is scum I'll just be glad that you guys covered my blind spot, and if he is town it's probably not the worst thing ever but I will never lynch someone I in good faith believe is town.

    What if I told you that the Rhand lynch doesn't have enough support, and basically the only way we are ending this Day is if we get like 1 or 2 more people on Iso. Would you vote then? Pretty sure you would, since you did with Wildfire. And guess what, I can pretty much tell you it right now because it seems like the case.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sir Chris »

    a. I don't think scum Iso respects you enough to do that. Iso is a very self-centered, arrogant player who clearly knows his way around a mafia game. I don't think he pushes his chips in the middle that early with a scumbuddy to get rid of the likes of you.

    First of all, rude. I don't know how much experience you have in mafia, it may be more than me, but I've played my fair share too. 20+ games on different sites, at least.

    Second of all, Cyan beat me to it, but Iso did EXACTLY THIS in Unseen University, when I was less experienced than I am now.

    As for the rest of the letters, I believe I kind of restated how I felt in my recent post, so look at that I guess.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Let me restate the way I see things concerning the Iso lynch, maybe a bit calmer this time.

    Iso is obvscum. That's my opinion, and you people's opinion might be different. Okay, let's assume your opinion is different, and you think Iso is town. Do you know Iso is town? Of course not, in fact with all the scummy play he's been doing you should at least be thinking of him as a possibility. Now let's compare lynching Iso to lynching Rhand/Generic (if there is an alternative, it's one of those two).

    -----

    1. If we lynch Rhand/Generic and he flips town, we are in the same position toMorrow. Iso continues to look scummy, the other one of Rhand/Generic is still a possibility, Iso/gan_dan/Killjoy group is still not figured out.

    2. If we lynch Rhand/Generic and he flips scum, yay. But where's the other scum? It's not obvious. The other of Rhand/Generic looks worse, but the Iso/gan_dan/Killjoy group is still not figured out. WG, EP are still on the sidelines. We might be able to figure it out, but it would be tricky and I doubt we would for a couple Days.

    3. If we lynch Iso and he flips town, he has enough experience that I'd be inclined to believe he was right on at least one of Rhand/Generic. It also makes Killjoy/gan_dan look worse, because 2 docs and a BP seems strange. EP is almost certainly town, and WG is probably town due to his Day 1 behavior.

    4. If we lynch Iso and he flips scum, yay. Where's the other scum? Not too hard to find. Rhand/Generic look much better. Killjoy/gan_dan look better. By PoE, the scum is probably in EP/WG/Hunt/Hunger.

    -----

    So. For those of you who'd rather lynch Rhand/Generic, I'm assuming that's because you somehow find him scummier than Iso. However, the goal of the town is to solve the game, and I think no matter what Iso flips we are closer to solving it than we are if we lynch a scumRhand/scumGeneric. If Iso flips town like you think he will, Rhand/Generic are next on the chopping block anyway, so is there really much harm?

    Is there honestly a downside from your point of view, besides the fact that we would be mislynching instead of lynching a scum? Because if that's the only downside, I think you fear mislynches much more than you should.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    No, the docs should not full-claim yet. Maybe in the future but not now. We are currently hiding info from Scum power roles (1, probably 2, maybe 3). The people who want the docs to full-claim, aside from Sepi, are being scummy.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Sir Chris »

    a. That's a matter of opinion in terms of degrees. Why does a scum Iso join his buddy Plows in gleefully attacking you? What purpose does it serve?
    b. I don't have much of an issue with a bulletproof and other protection existing, so that's not a counterclaim to me unless I missed someone literally claiming bulletproof as well. I mean really.
    c. I think that's a garbage reason. That's the old "if I am wrong let me say this to look less bad." Iso offers nothing imo. Literally nothing. Look at how today has developed. Not many people are sticking their necks out for them, there aren't a lot of scum left anyway, I challenge the fact that you are going to learn anything of importance if Iso is town. Let's not go into this. Think he is scum? Fine, we can disagree on that, but don't try to give yourself outs to feel better. It dulls the blade.
    d. Who would that be?
    e. Well yeah if Iso is scum then obviously I am being silly.
    f. Well I mean I bet point e could be <_<.
    g. More detail into point d, e is literally true for everyone Tom, and f is half untrue due to my cool logic.

    a. Uh, to mislynch me? You could say "that would be too obvious" and I'd respond "maybe thats what they want you to think" but that would just be going down the WIFOM road. The fact of the matter is, a potential reason is there, and I don't see anything wrong with them taking that route.
    b. 2 doc abilities with a bulletproof is a bit shady. Possible, but unlikely.
    c. You've got to be kidding me. Iso's flip pretty much determines where the scum are, see points d and e.
    d. If Iso flips town, there is likely scum in Generic/Rhand, also gan_dan/Killjoy would be a place to look.
    e. If Iso flips scum, those 4 people are all probably town, and the scum would be elsewhere like WG/EP/Hunt
    f. If we lynch Iso and he flips scum it narrows the pool a lot. If we lynch someone like Rhand and he flips scum, the pool is still large from my point of view. Also, if we lynch someone like Rhand and he flips town, we are in the exact same place toMorrow as we are toDay.
    g. e is not true for everyone to the same degree, at all. f is 100% true due to the way I stated it.

    And again Chris, you seem to think he's town because he'd be playing too badly to be scum, but he's playing even worse as town, so that argument is invalid.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Two docs, I meant. Bulletproof doesn't make a lot of sense with two doc abilities. Not to mention bulletproof is what Iso claims as scum, I think in multiple games in the past. Because it isn't provable. I'll get to Chris' post in a second.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    I gtg to class soon so I'll respond to your response later, but again Chris, you say that if Iso is scum he's bad. Well if Iso is town he's even worse. I don't get your logic there.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    a. Iso's behavior is scummier than anyone else this game (lies, fake attacks, and backpedals)
    b. Iso has been doubly counterclaimed
    c. An Iso lynch offers more information than any other lynch
    d. If Iso flips town we have a good idea who the scum are (so who the **** cares that we mislynched?)
    e. If Iso flips scum we have a good idea who the scum are
    f. The above two points cannot be said for any other player in this game
    g. Even if points a & b are arguable, points c, d, e, f are basically undeniable and reason enough to lynch Iso


    Any other lynch would be baffling. It would be... oh how to put this... not smart.

    If people want to keep goofing around on other wagons, trying to gain support when it's almost a lost cause, that's fine...
    But I'll just be posting PTAP for the rest of the Day until those people come to their senses.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    I am very much against gan_dan and Killjoy giving their targets. It gives the mafia too much info if they have limited shots of things.

    Quote from Sir Chris »

    So I am at a bit of a loss with Iso, because I feel as if Iso is a trash tier mafia player if he is scum here and I have been told often that Iso is a well regarded player, so I don't get his game here. I don't get why a scum Iso buddies up with a scum Plow to attack a town Tom. It's so reckless.


    Ugh, not this "logic" again. How well did that work out for you with Plowshares, hmm?

    You say that if Iso is scum, he's doing a very poor job. Well guess what, if Iso is town he's also doing a very poor job. Actually, he's even doing a worse job.

    The case on Iso is not "paranoia". That's the stinkiest bull***** I've ever set eyes on. He made an attack on me with illogical, alignment-unrelated reasons, made a huge quote-wall war which he admitted wasn't genuine on his part, made a crap backpedal after all that, claimed his favorite scum fake-claim (Bulletproof) WHILE WE HAVE 2 COPS, and has pretty much killed the town vibe on multiple occasions. And you, Sir Chris, want to say "his play as scum is so poor, he's probably town". The only paranoia here is YOURS.

    If we lynch Iso and he flips town, ITS NOT THAT BAD. We have some solid leads and a lot of info. So why lynch someone else? Getting enough support behind any other lynch just won't happen, Generic and I refuse to back it. Save those people for toMorrow. There is literally no reason not to lynch Iso toDay.

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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Please don't drag the day out any longer or give any more information out. Don't wait for Rhand, don't massclaim.

    Lynch Iso then we come back and figure ***** out toMorrow.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    There is a scum in gan_dan, killjoy, Iso.

    Surprise! It's Iso.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Cyan what did you mean by "why did I even bother"?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Sorry Huntzilla, but it's just so clear to me that Iso is obvscum and I am in disbelief we didn't lynch him when he attacked me with quotewalls and BS reasons, made that *****ty backpedal, or CLAIMED BP THAT COULD BE ROLEBLOCKED. I'm actually ashamed of myself for taking pressure off of him when I got my Kami result.

    And it's also rather clear that no other lynch can get support toDay, whereas no matter what Iso flips we get a huge amount of info. I'm frustrated that people are even trying to vote elsewhere.

    But you're right my hostility was uncalled for. I apologize. But please realize that gan_dan lynch isn't happening, and we just need like another vote or 2 to end this horribly long and pointless Day.

    Waiting for Rhand is a bad idea, this game has already lost so much steam and morale by waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. Let's get Iso's flip and move on.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Yeah, I'm not willing to lynch anybody else.

    Bull***** attack on me with huge quotewalls, tells everyone to go "read his posts", gets fed up and starts to ignore me, suddenly backpedals on me, makes huge cases on townies, claims bullet-proof. All while seeming emotional and frustrated with the town.

    All that in Unseen, all that in this game. They are just as close to carbon-copies as you can get, in terms of Iso's play.

    @People who don't want to lynch Iso: Sorry mother****ers, but no other lynch is happening today. I will boycott it. Generic will boycott it. Iso is already at L-2 and we gain SOOOO much information from his lynch EVEN IF he flips town. There is not enough support behind ANY OTHER WAGON, but there is enough support behind Iso's. IF YOU CONTINUE TO NOT WANT TO LYNCH ISO, YOU ARE BEING ANTI-TOWN. Gan_dan's wagon is going NOWHERE. Generic's wagon is going NOWHERE. Start being sensible and put your vote where it will actually be ******* useful!
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    The following is from Unseen University, and now you all get to see why this game is pretty much a carbon copy of that one. Iso was scum in this game.
    Quote from Iso »
    Quote from Tom
    Examples? I wasn't trying to pressure you, and the only thing I see that looks like casting your posts in a negative standing was when I brought up the suspicion of your over-defensiveness. I don't see how bringing that up is indicative of me being scum.
    WHAT DO YOU MEAN "EXAMPLES"? HOW MANY OF YOUR POSTS AM I GOING TO HAVE TO QUOTE BEFORE YOU QUIT PLAYING DUMB?
    Quote from Tom »
    Quote from Tom »
    You say "it was all downhill from there." Please bring up some specific things "from there" that you think I'm scum for.


    HAVE YOU BEEN READING MY POSTS?!? GrrrAAAAAH


    Yup. And up until you presented why you thought I was scum in my last post all I've seen was you mudslinging BS at me. So, please create a to-the-point list of specific things I've done that make me scum in your opinion (since we started going back and forth).


    I absolutely hate repeating myself and you've already made me do it so much. Read. My. Posts.

    "QUIT PLAYING DUMB"
    "ARE YOU EVEN READING MY POSTS?"
    "Read. My. Posts."

    In Unseen Unversity Iso made a bull***** attack on me in the middle of Day 1, just like this game. I tried to show how it was bull*****, and all he responds to anybody is "read my posts", just like this game. Emotional frustration, just like this game.

    Quote from Iso »
    @Tom: Y'know what? You're obviously not understanding. I'm going to stop engaging you now because every response you give me feels condescending and makes me want to put my face through a wall.

    He gives up in frustration and says he will ignore me, just like this game. Emotional frustration, just like this game.

    Quote from Iso »
    Right, I have no doubt I've been antagonistic towards you so far, and I apologize for that - you're not solely responsible for the way our communication has broken down, here. I think where this stemmed from is a misinterpretation of my intent - I understand it's hard to read tone from text, and I'm terrible about making my tone clear when it comes to situations. I often have to clarify what I mean. For example, when I said, "Compelling defense. :rolleyes:", yes, that was completely sarcastic. But I considered it a good-natured ribbing whereas that was clearly not properly conveyed to you, whether it was through my phrasing or your interpretation. Whatever it was that I said "Compelling defense. :rolleyes:" to was probably not a very well thought-out defense, and I think that part of that is a result of your inexperience - I sometimes forget that I can't expect everyone to be able to touch base on Mafia Theory, particularly lesser-experienced players. (And that's in no way supposed to come across as demeaning to you.) The way you're now explaining your frustration comes across as genuine, and I am finally coming around to understanding your mindset on the matter - though you also have to remember that just because you can't see eye-to-eye with a player doesn't make them scum. (I'll admit, I'm still guilty of doing that sometimes, myself - here, for instance.) I'm willing to regard you as town from this point because your train of thought comes across as sincere and earnest - and again, I appreciate that you're willing to level with me on this.

    Backpedals away from me, just like this game. Emotion, just like this game.

    Quote from Iso »
    I'm Bulletproof.

    FAKE-CLAIMS BULLETPROOF, JUST LIKE THIS GAME. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, SOMEONE GET THE NOOSE

    Makes huge cases against townies, just like this game.

    Quote from Iso »
    Quote from Tom
    And Iso, it's pretty hard to accept an apology when you gave me all that **** day 1 and were actually SCUM.... Mad


    Love is in the air I have to seem town, too, y'know!

    Anyway, I'm astounded I wasn't lynched at some point, but no objections from me.

    This was post game. Let's not have this be "just like this game", eh?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Ah, I misread.

    Decent sized post incoming about Unseen University.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Huntzilla »

    I am with you on this Cyan. I will not vote Iso. I fully believe the emotion behind his posts, and I agree that he believes you, Rhand and Generic are the scum team.

    I am with Emo, and I believe Gan_Dan needs some pressure.

    Vote Ganderin_Dan

    If you find and read Unseen University Mafia, you'll find plenty of emotion in his posts and he was scum.

    If you think Rhand and Generic are the scum team, why are you voting someone else?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Cyan »
    Wait, what? Some people had unvoted Iso, I thought that you guys had come to your senses on this. Iso really is not scum. There is no way that he is faking the arrogant frustration that he is showing in his posts. No way.

    Buddy, you have not read Unseen University Mafia then. This is like what scumIso does.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Alright boys nothing else to do toDay expect move on with the Iso lynch. If you somehow are town, Iso, don't trip; there really isn't anywhere else good to look besides Rhand and Generic toMorrow.

    I wish I could investigate again but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »
    With my cases, I kind of expected people to be reading the posts of the players I was casing to see what I was talking about. Is there a particular reason you didn't, other than laziness? I would really like for you to actually give them the attention they deserve instead of just "glazing over [them]", because that's the attitude that's going to let Cyan skate to endgame and win as the last scum.

    Even if I ISO a player to try and follow what you say, the ISO on this forum doesn't give me the post numbers. It's still terribly hard to follow. I really wish you made concise cases and only picked out the 3-4 strongest points against a player, rather than doing a PBPA and noting all of the "weird" stuff. I'm surprised you haven't realized that concise cases are better yet, since you've played like 150 games of mafia.

    Also, I want to lynch you toDay, if only for the information reasons I gave in my recent color-coded post. I think you're scum, and if I'm right, reading your cases thoroughly would be a waste of my time. I'll pay more attention to them if you flip town, but Rhand and Generic would already be suspects #1 and #2 if you flipped town anyway.

    Wheat is right, I had to ignore most of your votecount analysis because you put yourself as town, so most of your points don't say anything from my perspective. Again for somebody with 150 mafia games under their belt this kind of stuff feels quite sloppy.

    Cyan's defense is good.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »

    The reason Cyan IS scum for his attack on Kami is right here:

    Quote from Iso »
    Cyan lobs Arch a softball in #1272 but doesn't vote...but then Tom reveals his Cop result and Cyan happily jumps on the bus train. This approach to Arch was far too cautious for Cyan's town play, especially given that Cyan asked for the Rhand case to be restated between those two posts of his. TownCyan would have snap-voted Arch for this like dan did.

    First off, if you even care about people finding the posts you talk about, link them. It is no easy task searching for a post number. I ignored a lot of parts of your cases just for that reason.

    Secondly, this does not negate my point at all, in fact it's only barely related. The way Kami responded to Cyan simply cannot be scum-scum. You're wrong.

    This point here against Cyan isn't even good. He said "Please provide evidence of you thinking Tom was scum for most of Day 1. Because as it stands, this looks really an extremely scummy knee-jerk reaction vote." The first sentence shows that he isn't quite up-to-date on the very point that forms his scum-read... of course he wouldn't vote here. Then you give him ***** for "happily jumping on the train when I reveal my result"... of course he'd vote for a confirmed scum.

    If you want to negate my point that pretty much proves Cyan as town, you'll have to explain why Kami's response to the above quote was to search through all his posts, find the ones where he had established his "scum-read" on me, and link them for Cyan and Cyan alone. It clearly shows a mindset of trying convince Cyan he's wrong. The only real argument against this is "Kami could of done this just so that the town would pick up on it later and think they aren't buddies" but it's a really bad argument and I don't think that happened. It feels to genuine and the more I think about the more I can't see it being scum-scum.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »
    I also appear to not be voting anybody.

    Vote Generic

    Is that who you find scummiest of the 3? Also if there is only 4 scum in this game, which is likely the case, which one of the 3 is town?

    Quote from Iso »
    Tom, if you could please explain why my Cyan case is incorrect and why my rebuttal of your point in my case on Cyan RE: Arch isn't sufficient I would greatly appreciate that.

    I glossed your case for the rebuttal and couldn't find it.

    The reason why Cyan is town is not because of his Kami attack, but because of Kami's response to it. Kami clearly puts in work to convince Cyan that he's not scum. It's how I'd expect scum to act towards town, not act towards a buddy.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Looking at the discussed lynch candidates. Blue is when they flip town, red is when they flip scum.

    Nope
    gan_dan: Bad lynch, not happening.

    Cyan: He's town, not happening. Even if people disagree, he's still not the best lynch option.

    Maybe
    Generic: We are back in the same position toMorrow. Nobody looks better, Iso looks worse. Iso looks better but isn't cleared. Rhand looks a bit worse.

    Rhand: We are back in the same position toMorrow. Nobody looks better, Iso looks worse. Iso looks quite a bit better. Generic looks a bit worse.

    Iso: Generic and Rhand look a whole lot worse. EP looks better. W_G and EP look worse. Rhand looks a lot better, Generic looks better.

    ------

    Given the above (and also from overall behavior) I'd still like to lynch Iso.

    Ignoring tricky bussing, I believe the scum is either in (Rhand or Generic)/(Rhand or Generic or Somebody)/(Somebody or Nobody) OR Iso/(W_G or EP)/(Nobody or W_G or EP). The second group has looked sketchier to me all game than the first group.

    Also, while the scum could be 5, I think it's 4. This is because Bolly said in the signups that this game could run with 17 or 18 players instead of 19, and if you cut 1-2 town against 5 mafia it becomes quite off-balance. Unless we have some neutral role such as Survivor or whatnot.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    What doesn't make sense about what I pointed out concerning Cyan/Kami? If you actually cared about the town and think I'm super wrong about my conclusion, I'd expect the first thing you'd do is show why I'm wrong, rather than just putting what I say down all the time.

    I'm pretty sure the focus will be on Generic/Rhand/Wheat toMorrow, no matter what you flip. Killjoy/EP/Huntzilla are much less likely and I don't know why you think otherwise.

    Is your Generic case incoming still?
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    @Iso: I'm curious about your thoughts on the following:
    Quote from Tom »

    If you get lynched and flip town then we're looking at your scumspects toMorrow, even just by PoE. If you get lynched and flip scum, which is likely, yay for us. If you don't get lynched, we don't get a huge pile of info, and you remain a suspect for the rest of the game.

    If you're town, you should not see your lynch as such a bad thing, nor see me "running the game off a cliff" just because I want to lynch you (LIKE SO MANY OTHERS).
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    ^That
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    posted a message on The Dark Tournament
    Or not :0
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    posted a message on The Dark Tournament
    Hazzard I thought we were playing 4 hours from the time right now.

    If you still want to play then we can.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    That insult is merely for humor value, fyi, if it's somehow not obvious.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    I'm leading the game off a cliff Iso? If I hadn't gotten a warning already for flaming this game, I'd call you some terrible things.

    You've ****ed up so hard, so many ways this game. And I'm leading the game off the cliff because I want to lynch you??

    If you get lynched and flip town then we're looking at your scumspects toMorrow, even just by PoE. If you get lynched and flip scum, which is likely, yay for us. If you don't get lynched, we don't get a huge pile of info, and you remain a suspect for the rest of the game.

    If you're town, you should not see your lynch as such a bad thing, nor see me "running the game off a cliff" just because I want to lynch you (LIKE SO MANY OTHERS). I caught 50% of the dead scum single-handledly. You've derped around making bull***** cases, having a terrible anti-town attitude, and stalling the game.

    So basically GFY you hypocritical queef-sniffing leopard-licking fiddle-playing 3-eyed baboon-raised so-called "good mafia player".
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    In my eyes Iso will be a scumspect the entire game if he's not lynched, and if he's scum and wins because he's not lynched, we will be one of the stupidest towns to ever play the game.

    It's happened before, I am aware, and I don't want it to happen again.

    What's the alternative? Gan_dan? Nope. Generic? Meh. Let's focus on him toMorrow if need be. I want Iso's flip. Just think of the information. Everybody has said so much about him.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    ugh. By saying "there is a scum in G_D/TCM" you are implying you find them scummy, otherwise that statement makes no sense, and that's what I questioned you on. The fact that you didn't specify one of them as scum is irrelevant.

    Whatever, I guess I'm leaning on the side of "town that doesn't write like a sentient human-being" rather than "scum" for EP, so I'm done here.

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    posted a message on [Primer] DredgeVine
    Slant

    Hazanko, you are aware that the non-dredge list is faster than the dredge list right? And even if they are about the same speed, non-dredge is more resilient, etc.

    Pizzap is right, you either play no dredgers or a lot of them, and I'm convinced that none of them is better.
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    posted a message on [Primer] DredgeVine
    Tron is basically our worst matchup and stuff like Sowing Salt is too much mana. My solution is to basically not waste any sideboard slots on it and instead just lose the match. Tron is a small part of the field and we don't have too many other horrid matchups.

    As for boggles, back to nature seems like a good option. Stuff like fleshbag or liliana can be played around in boggles, like fetching up a dryad arbor and such. Plus 3 mana is too much.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from emo_pinata »
    • I say the way the wagon's broke down there is one scum hiding between TCM and g_d
    • Tom asks how I came to TCM and g_d being scum
    • I say I didn't call them scum (yet)

    Well there's the damn disconnect, emo_pinata. First you say "TCM or g_d is mafia", then you say "I didn't call them scum! I was merely highlighting players of interest!"

    "I didn't call them scum" can be interpreted two ways. One way is "I didn't call either of them scum" which would be false, and that's the way I interpreted it. The other way is "I didn't call both of them scum" which is misleading as hell, and not how human beings write. "Both" is literally the key word there, and you left it out... but I'll concede that this is at least semi-true.

    "I was merely highlighting players of interest!" is NOT true and even more misleading, because again, you said with confidence that one of TCM/gd is scum. That's not just highlighting players of interest, that's calling players scum (or as you might prefer me writing it, 'calling a player scum'.)

    --

    Either you're town who doesn't write like a sentient human being, or you're scum trying to cover up this mistake. Either way, you're the one who ****ed up here, so quit flinging mud in my direction and claiming I don't read.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Cyan »

    Posts like this are a big deal when they come from an experienced player, because they are bad posts to make. So it's safe to assume that Generic knew exactly what he was saying here. And he doesn't think that anyone is going to put the screws to him tomorrow and hold him to his promise to 'be next' if Iso flips town. It is possible that Generic and Iso are both scum, but with the way this has played out, I don't think that this is the case.

    What is think is happening here is that Generic is scum, and he knows that the jig is up for him, so he is just trying to take Iso down with him. Consider me back in the 'Iso is town' camp. And really, you guys should stop voting him and start voting for Generic already.

    Iso has been the clear lynch for toDay, and very little pressure has been on Generic. What makes you think that Generic "knows the jig is up for him"?

    This is ridiculous. Iso needs to die. I don't want this to be one of those games where people say "Ughhhh Iso was a scumread all game but we never lynched him and he won". Iso's play has been *****. He made illogical bull***** attacks and his claim is bad. He must die.

    If me and so many others are wrong about Iso being scum, Generic is suddenly one of the top players under suspicion, by PoE alone. So let's take that route. An Iso lynch offers so much more than a Generic lynch.

    At the beginning of the game, Iso threw out an early town-read on Seppel (Generic slot) and Seppel pinned him as scum. Let's not get this twisted, please.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from emo_pinata »
    Quote from Tom »
    Where did I accuse you of calling Cyan scum? Maybe it's you that sucks at reading.

    Also please point to where you answered my question. I'm guessing you do see Gan_Dan's post as a bus. I have no clue how; Kami was under very little pressure and Gan_Dan jumped on the wagon, his reasoning was good and it seemed genuine. It doesn't look like scum-scum. You could WIFOM it all you want and say "maybe he's just a good scum player" but that's not how you play this game.
    So add "WIFOM" to your list of words you don't know along with "or".

    You highlight cyan's post that points out how easy a KA bus would be. Cyan spots a scummy post, doesn't give a ton of reason but it's obvious what he thought of it. g_d then copy/pastes a vote and elaborates on Cyan's obvious reasoning: 1) misrep 2) OMGUS with an accompaniment of word salad. It's inflating a solid case with air. In other words, it's how a good scum player votes. I'm not saying it couldn't be legitimate, but I don't see it as a stellar vote whatsoever. Maybe the weakest vote on the KA wagon, especially with how he highlights Cyan's posts.

    Also, you Cyan defense being spontaneous is bizarre given the content of your post. I don't disagree with it, but it's weird.

    Why have you all of a sudden become so hostile towards me, even before I called you a sack of alligator testicles?

    1) I know what "or" means. You said you thought G_D or TCM was scum. Then you said you were merely highlighting players of interest rather than calling players scum. Well if you think G_D or TCM is scum, you ARE calling at least one of them scum. Whether you said "or" or "and" is irrelevant to my point. There is an inconsistency in what you've said about your reads. Show otherwise.

    2) Your argument for why Cyan and G_D's attacks on Kami could be bus-votes seems to be that "they were /barning a solid case and didn't legitimately think Kami was going to be lynched", am I right? From my point of view, they both offered new points against Kami, and their added pressure did actually put Kami in danger, whereas Kami was under very little pressure before. It's possible that one or both are scum who made a rash move for townpoints, but it feels much more like town provoking/pressuring a scummy player. The way both attacks are worded are more of a provoking nature than "yeah he's scummy I'll vote him".

    On top of that, and what I feel to be a much stronger point, is that Kami searched through the thread and linked posts just to convince Cyan that his point was invalid. He didn't say "yeah dude I did have a scum read on Tom, read more" which he totally could have done in that situation. Instead he searched and linked, meaning he actually wanted to show Cyan; he actually cared what Cyan thought about him. There just isn't any way that was a scum-scum interaction. Iso's "nah bro you're wrong" doesn't do it for me.

    3) Yeah my Cyan defense was pretty random, I just stumbled upon it and found it to be important. I don't really understand your second paragraph's purpose if you don't disagree with my assessment.

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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from emo_pinata »
    I did answer your question, you suck at reading :^)

    Never called Cyan scum, don't need to justify a phantom accusation.

    Where did I accuse you of calling Cyan scum? Maybe it's you that sucks at reading.

    Also please point to where you answered my question. I'm guessing you do see Gan_Dan's post as a bus. I have no clue how; Kami was under very little pressure and Gan_Dan jumped on the wagon, his reasoning was good and it seemed genuine. It doesn't look like scum-scum. You could WIFOM it all you want and say "maybe he's just a good scum player" but that's not how you play this game.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Also, answer my question, you sack of alligator testicles

    Texas sucks btw
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from emo_pinata »
    Tom, you suck at reading. Also you must be terrible at playing scum.

    Uhh, rude.

    Nice to meet you too buddy.

    Also I like to think of my self as a rather decent scum player fyi.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    EmoP, does 1279 look like a bus to you?

    Quote from Cyan »
    Please provide evidence of you thinking Tom was scum for most of Day 1. Because as it stands, this looks really an extremely scummy knee-jerk reaction vote.
    Cyan: All the way from #249 through #747 you can see that I had a clear scumread on Tom, which only relented after the Plowshares flip.


    Cyan is town. The above is not a bus, nor a defense from a bus. Look, Kami takes the time to find and link posts in his defense... he's trying to convince Cyan that he's not scum. If they were buddies, he wouldn't put that kind of work into convincing someone he knows he can't convince. And no one can argue "well maybe he wasn't trying to convince Cyan, but instead trying to convince the general public", because anyone who had read the thread already knew that Kami was going for my lynch on Day 1. He's trying to convince Cyan and Cyan alone.


    Me
    Sepi
    Godot
    (can we get a replacement?)
    Killjoy (depending on his claim and reasons for info dropping)
    Cyan (see above... this guy is last resort)
    TCM (also last resort; he would be forever known as BusMaster5000)
    gan_dan (his play is kinda sketch, but his Kami attack doesn't feel like a bus)
    Hunger (if he's scum he's playing very well, i don't see anything scummy from him)
    ---- We should put all focus below this line --------
    Huntzilla (Looks town from Citric's sloppy play and Kami's attack, but he's weirding me out)
    EmoP (Bur felt like town but I don't like Emo's weird lists of reads that have no explanation.)
    Rhand (Mixed feelings. I doubt he's scum with Iso.)
    Generic (Basically paranoia. His Iso attack feels over-the-top)
    Wheat (Looks alright as Iso's buddy. Sketchy play.)
    Iso (Scummy behavior all game, bad claim.)


    Honestly I don't really care to wait longer for Iso. He's the lynch for today... that's pretty much a matter of fact. He's the scummiest player, and as you can see above, light will be shed on most of the other questionable players when he flips. Even if Iso makes impressive cases against Rhand/Generic, we're lynching Iso toDay.

    That said, if Iso flips town, his big scumreads (Rhand, Generic) are already pretty close to the bottom of the scum pile, just using Process of Elimination alone. There would be focus on them whether or not Iso makes good cases toDay.

    So basically I'm ready to lynch him at any time. We don't gain a whole lot from waiting. I'm probably already voting him, but:

    Vote: Iso
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    We're waiting on Iso's content, and if he doesn't provide it in the next 72 hours I'll advocate his lynch without the content.

    I'm also interested in EP's response to me. He clearly called two players scum (multiple times) and then said he was merely "highlighting players of interest" rather than calling them scum.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Also about Generic's "lynch Iso, I'm so sure he's scum that if he flips town I'm willing to be lynched"... I've done this before, this very game even, and this statement is never as strong as Generic is making it out to be. If that situation happened Generic might be willing to be lynched but then town is introduced to a bunch of WIFOM and actually lynching him is a whole 'nother ball game.

    Just throwing that out there.

    Iso, please just PTAP or answer questions / do your cases, any other posts you make are extremely frustrating from our point of view.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Iso »

    @Tom: You mentioned that "the only thing" you could see advancing the game at this point is an Iso lynch...but what about a Rhand lynch? Would a scumRhand flip not clear me and condemn at least Generic? (I forget if Rhand and Cyan have had any notable interactions.)

    You're the scummiest and your lynch gives the most info.

    I don't think a scumRhand lynch condemns Generic but I haven't been paying too much attention there. You might look better but it doesn't clear you... nothing clears you for me except an investigation, which I very much doubt I'll get to do again this game.
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    posted a message on [Primer] DredgeVine
    Essence Warden is great against aggro and burn, the matchups where you'd bring it in. Though you want to run more than 2 in your board, otherwise you may not find it or find it to late, and having 2 on the field is just incredible. Fragile yes, but if it eats a burn spell that's totally fine too.

    I run Varolz and Viscera Seer in my deck as sac-outlets, and that makes Essence Warden absolutely bat***** insane. I can repeatedly sac VVines, Bloodghasts, and most of all Gravecrawlers to gain huge amounts of life (As a side note, doing things like this also untaps VVines to block after combat). I've pondered even moving a warden or 2 into my maindeck, because they can be so incredible.

    Bottom line is that Seer is one of the best cards in the deck and Essence Warden is a decent sideboard card with or without Seer.

    I've found Gnaw to the Bone to be a bit slow / underwhelming, but it's probably better in a version that runs dredge cards.
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    Quote from Wheat_Grinder »
    Yay Cyan finally posted

    Suspicions confirmed, Cyan is scum.

    Why? I want details.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on xkcd Mafia: Game Over - You /Will/ Go To Space Today! - Town Victory!
    EBWODP: *from what I understand

    If I'm wrong and those posts are supposed to be about me, then I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
    Posted in: Mafia
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