Well Iso, sorry. Nice reads, you had the scumteam pegged and I was very wrong on Cyan.
However your play especially early game was scummy and even if we hadn't lynched you and lynched Gen/Rhand instead, me and I'm sure others would still have been paranoid about you. I stand by what I said during the game, your lynch helped the town.
I'm happy I had a few things right... Kami and Generic (post Iso flip, I read him as scum and tried to investigate him even though he blocked me). I think my Kami investigation in particular was helpful because he was playing in a way that would be hard to nail for anything in particular.
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3/27/2015 1:44:53 AM Posted in: Mafia
2/16/2015 1:24:46 AMThen again, who doesn't?Posted in: Mafia
2/15/2015 2:21:37 PMPosted in: MafiaQuote from Killjoy »Think about it like this, Tom... what other choice does an RBer have, knowing that his targets get flavor? There was only one claimed PR D1, 2.5 D2 (since I'm not sure the scum caught my breadcrumb)... N1 Sepi was the only real choice for RB, D2 it was either you or him (or me but again not sure if the scum caught my crumbs). Who else would he roleblock?
Sepi: You're literally saying that Jailer is meant to be used as a roleblocker. How is Dan using it? He's roleblocking all our PRs. I don't see how he justifies that as a townie move.
If he's scum I doubt he even cares about the flavor PM that makes no sense. He could just target who he wants and assume that the town would not relate the PMs to his ability.
I also think that if I was a town jailer, I'd be trying to use the protection clause much more than the roleblocking clause. I'd definitely target the town PRs that say they can't use their ability that Night, rather than taking a shot in the dark to roleblock scum.
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I agree there's something kooky about the balance. Maybe it actually is 5 scum total; greater numbers for scum vs. greater power for town. It feels weird that we have double protection even with downsides vs. few kills though, unless there are kills that have been getting blocked.
I really doubt 5 scum, because in the signups Bolly said the game could be run with 18 or 17 players instead of 19. If it's balanced at 19, cutting anything when you have 5 scum throws it off a bit. I could be wrong though so 5 scum isn't out of the question.
Good point about another kill possibly being stopped each Night so far. It's a possibility.
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@Tom: What a waste of a post. I'm flipping town, so you'd goddamn better be Copping Cyan toNight. And "dan is confirmed town because the scum Roleblocker wouldn't target the Vig or the Cop" is such a bad argument that it's hilarious. Mind you, dan is town, but this logic is horrendously flawed, much like every single other argument you've made in this game.
Do not let them get away with a win or I will be voting this Worst Town Performance of 2015 when the awards roll around next year.
2/15/2015 4:39:04 AMPosted in: Mafia
Similar logic can also be used to not fully trust me as a cop, though, too
I might be using the term "conftown" a bit too loosely, but I feel like Dan is cleared until there is reason to unclear him. I also think it's better to play considering those kinda players as town rather than to be worried about them being scum. I'll also point out that there are different levels of being "cleared", for example I am more confident that you are town than I am about Dan, as I tried to note in the T/S list.
2/15/2015 3:09:36 AMPosted in: Mafia
Not necessarily, consider the scenario where instead of being a full Vig using the Daykill turns me into an X-Shot, i would have then been able to shoot that Night as well roleblocking me ensured i may have possibly wasted my shot if such had been the case2) There is even a slight possibility you could shoot during the Day AND the following Night, which is practically impossible in a Normal.
I just don't see scum guessing that's the case, let alone acting upon that guess. It's possible, but far from likely.
From where I stand, too much needs to be assumed in order from Dan to be scum, so Occam solidly points to town. And you've got to trust Occam, else you too Sepi wouldn't be conftown and could be a scum strongman who shot his buddy Day 1 for town points. That's obviously not the case, but, ya'know, it's possible too.
2/15/2015 2:52:11 AMPosted in: Mafia
The whole list is on the assumption that Iso is scum, in which case KJ is almost certainly town and Dan is already town for the reasons I've stated and firmly believe.
@Dan: Jail whoever you think is best to jail, don't listen to others and don't tell us what you're going to do.
@Sepi: Given that I don't want to be jailed tonight and we don't know whether KJ has more protections or not, trying to arrange some sort of plan with their abilities and have that plan be available to the scum doesn't seem like a great idea.
2/15/2015 2:45:55 AMSepi I'll agree that it is possible a scum roleblocker made those choices, though they don't really seem like good choices because it means the scum are assuming 1) I'm lying to all players, including town, about my night action 2) There is even a slight possibility you could shoot during the Day AND the following Night, which is practically impossible in a Normal.Posted in: Mafia
I just can't see (2) being a thing that happened. There is just no way you could possibly shoot twice before Day 2, and from a scum perspective I'd much rather roleblock whoever I guessed was a PR or even just take a shot in the dark.
Again I think Dan is town (mainly because of the above, but also his play / kami interaction) and I doubt the scum have a roleblocker. They probably have a godfather (which may be Iso) and some other non-strongman PR, maybe a rolecop. Since the godfather is so powerful it would actually make for a decently balanced game I think.
2/15/2015 2:07:39 AMNo Killjoy, gan_dan's not scum. Sepi got a PM on Night 1, I got one on Night 2.Posted in: Mafia
That means Gan_dan did target us those nights. And a scum roleblocker would not have made those choices.
I suppose he could be a scum PR that's not a roleblocker, but if that's the case I can't see him claiming jailer. Later in the game that might be able to be proved wrong. Theres no way he'd be a goon, either.
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