• posted a message on It can't be helped. [MTGS Brigade] will have to use THAT!
    The black wind howls? *****, who let Magus in here?
    Posted in: Clans
  • posted a message on Interesting Reddit Thread - Player Gets Sued for Selling Cards Online
    No matter what some people here believe, speculating in terms of just buying and immediately reselling without the cards ever being used by you is what a professional seller does. Yes, maybe everybody is doing it on a small scale, but that's also not what Tobi did. Daily sales and a stock almost larger than a small shop can be considered reasonably as commercial selling, so he just needs to declare it.


    The question then becomes what the distinction is between a private seller who dabbles in speculation and a business. Is it a specific revenue threshold? A specific amount of stock? A certain number of sales per day/week/month/year? "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" isn't really conducive to a healthy marketplace when someone in a similar situation to Tobias also gets hammered because of this. All it does is make sellers in a similar spot worry that they might be next. Hence why I see TCGD acting as a bully despite them doing the legal thing (their sanctimonious attitude doesn't help my opinion of them either). They singled a person out and in so doing set what could be a very ugly precedent.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Interesting Reddit Thread - Player Gets Sued for Selling Cards Online
    The way I see it is that there's a difference between doing something legal and doing right. TCGD's in the same space as patent trolls and the like: Acting legally, but also being colossal jerks, especially since they're almost certainly not going to go hunting around for the other such sellers on MKM to turn them in despite that bit of "it's about transparency and fair and honest competition" self-aggrandization (and I think this fact speaks to TCGD's intentions quite clearly here). The more attention one draws to their altruism, the less actual altruism there is in one's actions. I just want to know what their real motivation is for this instead of the PR spiel they gave.

    In any event, while TCGD will probably win the legal battle, I can't say in good conscience that I could ever side with them.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Interesting Reddit Thread - Player Gets Sued for Selling Cards Online
    Looks like the store responded. The whole thing comes across like they just wanted a pretext for bullying Tobias while keeping a veneer of legitimacy on the whole thing. "He said, he bought chromanticores to resell them for a higher price....well, that’s acting like a reseller, and making profit was the intention. He also buys cards for speculating, so he wants to make profit out of the cards he thinks are available too cheap." A large number of Magic players do that. It's normal speculation, and yet TCGD outright compares it in a later post to robbing a bank. They're playing up some moral issue where one doesn't really exist, and I think it shows their intentions quite well.

    Whole thing makes me think TCGD is just going to say, "It's really just about ethics in selling Magic cards." Edit: Apparently they did decide to go that route.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Is Thoughtseize still ruining your standard?
    Also keep in mind both decks that abuse it have mainboard lifegain (abzan is rhino, esper dragons is foul tongue) making the 2 life moot unless fighting burn.


    Regardless, you still "gain" life if you take a card that would've dealt more than 2 damage to you. Hitting, say, a Stoke means you're "up" two life from it being thrown at your face. Casting it and hitting a creature that would've dealt you more than 2 damage before being answered is likewise a virtual gain. I still board it out against red aggro, but you don't need lifegain to realize a life-based advantage off Thoughtseize.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on Interesting Reddit Thread - Player Gets Sued for Selling Cards Online
    Quote from hallgx »
    What motive could the store possibly have for raising this? Seems like the legal fees would vastly outweigh whatever marginal gain they stand to make.


    Generally, it's done to create what's called a chilling effect. Small, individual sellers generally don't have the resources to fight a business in court, so this essentially just scares off competition. An individual seller would look at a case like this, think "I don't want to get taken to court too so I'll just stop selling," and that'd be their lot. It's a bad-faith business practice and obviously shady as hell, but I can't speak to whether the plaintiff in this case has any legal standing as I don't know enough about the case (having only seen one side of it) or about German law to comment.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Standard Huge Gainers
    It's a rare without massive tier 1 appeal in a widely-opened set. It could very well gain some value after rotation, but even if it turns out to be really good, the supply will just be too high for it to have any significantly large price.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on The Running Tally of Current Sets is now an article.
    A lot of the problem with including historical data stems from how our article system works. It's not as easy to get plugins into our articles as it is for, say, MTG Goldfish or MTG Stocks, owing to how Cobalt (our forum/site software) works. The end result is that, while there are charts available for historic price trends if you click on the card names and display their individual pages, working that into an article is prohibitive because there simply aren't scripting options available. We can talk to Curse about the issue, but unfortunately it would probably be quite some time before scripting in articles becomes a feature we can implement. Other options, like static images displaying price graphs, become prohibitive due to the labour involved. Rest assured we're looking into improving the running tally updates, but we're unfortunately constrained by technical issues in some respects.

    In addition, while I'm not sure how much I can speak to the issue behind rancored_elf being taken off the tally (I'm privy to a number of details I don't know if I'm allowed to disclose), I can definitely say that it was a conscious, reasoned decision. We knew that his work set the bar quite high, and that while we may not be quite there yet, we do want to provide the best information we can to the users. Feedback like this thread is crucial to help us improve the content we're delivering to you, and we appreciate any further comments, questions, concerns, and constructive criticism.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on The Running Tally of Current Sets is now an article.
    I'm going to respond to a couple things at once here. For background's sake, I'm the editor behind this project and it was my idea to move the running tallies to the front page.

    Quote from eflin »
    Can you have the articles over there... and then link to a discussion post here in that article? People still would have to visit the main page for the info/blog... and you could still have discussion here (and possibly funnel more people to this subforum).


    This is certainly something we can do. While articles have built-in discussion threads, longer-term discussion of price movements requires that there be a certain continuity to the discussion as well as easily-accessed history. Article comments aren't suited to this task, so running tally updates can certainly contain a link to the MS Cafe. I'll have to confer with Rai as to whether they should go to this thread of a new dedicated thread, but it's something we can look at implementing either for Friday's or the following Monday's update.

    Quote from eflin »
    Still this move will slowly hurt the markset street cafe I feel as most people find this area because of those tally threads.


    The rationale behind moving the running tallies to the front page was that we're currently lacking regular frontpage content beyond the odd spoiler digest or Word of Command article. Getting more front-page traffic will help the site as a whole, especially if readers are given an incentive to keep coming back week after week. I've talked to quite a number of people for whom MTGS is nothing more than "I go there for spoilers," so hopefully we can keep some of the information-seeking-only segment around for this. Combined with primary discussion staying within MS Cafe, the overall effects of this change should be quite positive.

    Finally, to address Pigglebee's feedback, there are currently no plans to move the format-specific huge gainers threads to the front page, as those are community-driven and also reactionary in nature. While it would certainly be possible to have some sort of Quiet Speculation-like "ride the changes as they happen" content, the huge gainers threads would be unaffected.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on What have been your best/worst MTG investments?
    Best: Probably something in my $30-35 MPR Wastelands, $75ish foil Rishadan Ports (acquired piecemeal so they were all different prices, but that's a rough average), or $7 foil Unhinged Mountains, depending on how you look at it. This was literally just done as part of foiling out my Legacy Goblins deck way back in the day when it was a real deck. But in retrospect, it makes sense that those would be the cards that saw the biggest increases of the bunch (though the Darksteel foil Aether Vials went up a fair bit too) because the first two are extremely powerful and not likely to see reprint in large quantities such as Standard-legal sets, while the third is just in relatively low supply compared to how many of a given card people will need (regular cards cap out a 4 for a playset, but basics are as many as you want, which for something like EDH can be quite high), plus they're the foil versions, adding scarcity while also commanding a higher price premium. Also, if you're trying to go this route, don't get cards after they've spiked, because that's just being late to the party.

    Worst: The fact that I play Standard. It's fun but hard to justify sometimes, even when I keep deck costs down. Keep out of Standard if you want to make money off this game unless you're just that good at playing.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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