I am Komato Trooper 07115-31243-46526, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof.
The first time I get shot, I will dodge it.
My vengeance ability is activated when I am targeted by an ability.
I was shot at last night, and my vengeance is activated. My vengeance ability is role blocker
DK, Seppel - Neighbours
Town, but if I were to pick, seppel is more likely to be scum of the two.
Godot - Tracker
Pretty much confirmed town.
EP - Bomb
I see no reason to disbelieve his Bomb claim.
Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
My problem with rodemy's claim is, rolecop is typically scum role, and taking into account my ability, there is an unclaimed shot going around.
KJ, Kami, Wildfire, Karn, Proph, Axel - Vanilla
Based on my PoE, there are likely to be at least 2/3 scum in this group.
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
Ep can fire at his choice of vanilla.
EBWOP
KJ is not vanilla.
And when did Karn claim Jailer?
So you are saying his move here was to bait a town power role to target him and lie his way into it in order to "prove" he was "town"? How does this gambit work to you, or was this not a gambit?
Okay, so assuming at the very least Rodemy's vengeance trigger is as he claims, we know that Iji exists, and has an ability that won't kill him.
In the case that Rodemy is town, there's no guarantee that Scum wouldn't just kill him. Scum!Iji isn't considered here because in no situation would Scum!Iji ever want to activate his ability.
Scum!Rodemy however, I think would feel pretty safe, as there aren't that abilities he would be worried about. Cop!Iji doesn't make sense, and he knows that he won't die fro iji's ability.
Worse case scenario, iji doesn't target him. Nothing happens.
Best case scenario, this happens:
Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
Also, I don't see any town motivation at all as to why Town!Rodemy would claim this:
If he was scum, by causing Iji to target him, he also caused godot to waste a potentially important n1 action, which he could also use to his advantage by trying to clear himself.
I feel better about you having gone back and read you incredibly spare posting, but this is still stretching logic to me. Just look at the commas!
The extra reason I provided wasn't to say that a townie wouldn't do it. It was a reference to the discussion yesterday where people were attacking cyan about trying to get his vengeance trigger.
A townie totally would try and activate their trigger, but I think that the lengths to which Rodemy actively affected the game to get his trigger is suspicious in my eyes.
So you referenced a stupid argument/attack on Cyan? Why does that make Rodemy scummier?
I agree what Rodemy did was at the detriment to the town, but why is it scummy to try and maximize his role? Rodemy clearly has been acting in self interest the entire game, what line is he crossing for it to become scummy?
Are you not alarmed by the extent in which he has actively changed the way he played, so he could activate his, at the time, unknown vengeance trigger?
He firstly lied about his ability, lied about his alignment, lied about having information he didn't have, which caused godot out herself.
I cited cyan as the correct way to handle this, and even though he had a pretty unique trigger, he didn't completely change his gameplay to activate it.
Also. About his ability. He knew Iji was in this game. He knew Iji had a non-killing targetted ability. If he was scum, by causing Iji to target him, he also caused godot to waste a potentially important n1 action, which he could also use to his advantage by trying to clear himself.
Also, gaining a vig shot, sure it's provable, but it could just be masquerading the mafia kill, esp with a watcher/tracker, and another claimed vig shot. Combined with his typically mafia aligned rolecop.
This is acceptable, but did it really need a vote right that second without finishing reading the thread?
I got vote happy - one of my scum reads was getting lynched.
DJ's vote wasn't just opportunistic, the justification was scummy as hell. Saying a townie would not want to both use a role they have or try and maximize their own role at the expense of the game as a whole is weak reasoning - particularly with less experienced players. With Rodemy's play on Proph he has been incredibly selfish all game and stubbornly wrong which is why I didn't worry about him much. Him lying and being a role cop are the only case on him and there are much scummier players out there if you were hunting scum.
Even if DJ was telling the truth to just vote without reading the entire thread over it dropping yesterday doesn't make a lot of sense.
In what way was my justification weak?
When I voted, I quoted wildfire's post which listed all the reasons why Rodemy was scummy.
The extra reason I provided wasn't to say that a townie wouldn't do it. It was a reference to the discussion yesterday where people were attacking cyan about trying to get his vengeance trigger.
A townie totally would try and activate their trigger, but I think that the lengths to which Rodemy actively affected the game to get his trigger is suspicious in my eyes.
Also, gaining a vig shot, sure it's provable, but it could just be masquerading the mafia kill, esp with a watcher/tracker, and another claimed vig shot. Combined with his typically mafia aligned rolecop.
And, fyi, the reason I asked him that was because Meggido was the person who first brought it up, way back when. Some people (including myself) weren't sure if that was such a great idea. If Seppel had come back and said he didn't think it was a good idea (because of his own personal vengeance trigger, for instance) that would have been a possible point of contradiction between him and Meggido. As in, why would Meg have brought it up if he knew it wasn't a good idea.
Seppel didn't say that though, so it's moot.
Actually, what meggido suggested was a Mass name claim, which is completely different from mass vengeance claim.
@Seppel - What's your stance on a mass name claim?
because everything he does feels like he's either being opportunistic, flaily, or doesn't actually believe it.
The only concern I have is that it IS pretty much 100% of his posts which are like that which points away from his being scum but I keep finding myself wanting to lynch him despite that.
1.You said I only listed one reason for being skeptical of Karn. That is not true. That is what you said that wasn't true.
2. I have nothing to say to this because I have no idea what you're trying to say. I feel you are just antagonizing me at this point.
3. Fair enough about it looking like I was trying to create a distraction. Why would I want to distract from your lynch, though? Are we a team?
4. What happened was other people commented about Sir Karn, and I was like, "yeah," so I changed my vote accordingly.
1 - Yeah sure, but I had to go back with a fine tooth comb to find where you mentioned any other reasons.
2 - Basically, I said you two look like you could be working together, you suddenly realise that's what it looks like, and now you're working towards changing what people think.
The question is, why? I see distancing as a scum move, as scum ideally wouldn't want to be associated with someone they know will flip scum. Town however, won't know, and thus won't have any reason to create distance. In the event that they're scum, then as you said earlier you'd happily take a 1-1 trade.
Does anyone have any hypothetical situations where a scum member would want to distance themselves from a town player? I can't think of any and I'm curious.
3 - The reason why is what I'm trying to figure out.
@Deathjoey
****************** I WAS NOT trying to create a distraction.
Fair enough that you think it looked like I was, though.
But back to my question of why on earth would I intentionally create a distraction? ... like why would you think I would try to distract from your lynch other than "it looked like it" As in, what would be my purpose?
I dunno, and at this point, it's all a bunch of wifom, so I'm going to leave it for now.
So tell me, why DID you choose to bring up HP, right when my wagon was forming?
Yes
I am Komato Trooper 07115-31243-46526, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof.
The first time I get shot, I will dodge it.
My vengeance ability is activated when I am targeted by an ability.
I was shot at last night, and my vengeance is activated. My vengeance ability is role blocker
Doing some PoE, taking the 12 remaining players
1. dkingsland967 - Neighbour
2. Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
6. Killjoy
7. KamikazeArchon
8. emo_pinata - Bomb, vig
10. Deathjoey
11. Seppel - Neighbour
12. Wildfire393
13. Sir Karn
14. Prophylaxis
15. waitingforgodot - Tracker
16. Axelrod
Deathjoey - Bulletproof, Roleblocker
DK, Seppel - Neighbours
Town, but if I were to pick, seppel is more likely to be scum of the two.
Godot - Tracker
Pretty much confirmed town.
EP - Bomb
I see no reason to disbelieve his Bomb claim.
Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
My problem with rodemy's claim is, rolecop is typically scum role, and taking into account my ability, there is an unclaimed shot going around.
KJ, Kami, Wildfire, Karn, Proph, Axel - Vanilla
Based on my PoE, there are likely to be at least 2/3 scum in this group.
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
Ep can fire at his choice of vanilla.
EBWOP
KJ is not vanilla.
And when did Karn claim Jailer?
Okay, so assuming at the very least Rodemy's vengeance trigger is as he claims, we know that Iji exists, and has an ability that won't kill him.
In the case that Rodemy is town, there's no guarantee that Scum wouldn't just kill him. Scum!Iji isn't considered here because in no situation would Scum!Iji ever want to activate his ability.
Scum!Rodemy however, I think would feel pretty safe, as there aren't that abilities he would be worried about. Cop!Iji doesn't make sense, and he knows that he won't die fro iji's ability.
Worse case scenario, iji doesn't target him. Nothing happens.
Best case scenario, this happens:
Also, I don't see any town motivation at all as to why Town!Rodemy would claim this:
He's treating, having his, ability, verified, as being cleared,,,,,,,,,,
Are you not alarmed by the extent in which he has actively changed the way he played, so he could activate his, at the time, unknown vengeance trigger?
He firstly lied about his ability, lied about his alignment, lied about having information he didn't have, which caused godot out herself.
I cited cyan as the correct way to handle this, and even though he had a pretty unique trigger, he didn't completely change his gameplay to activate it.
Also. About his ability. He knew Iji was in this game. He knew Iji had a non-killing targetted ability. If he was scum, by causing Iji to target him, he also caused godot to waste a potentially important n1 action, which he could also use to his advantage by trying to clear himself.
I got vote happy - one of my scum reads was getting lynched.
I think he's scummy, but I'm willing to wait and see what happens after tonight.
@EP - Forgot to ask about what you meant with this line:
I think he's just scummy.
Where did Axelrod clear Kamikaze?
In what way was my justification weak?
When I voted, I quoted wildfire's post which listed all the reasons why Rodemy was scummy.
The extra reason I provided wasn't to say that a townie wouldn't do it. It was a reference to the discussion yesterday where people were attacking cyan about trying to get his vengeance trigger.
A townie totally would try and activate their trigger, but I think that the lengths to which Rodemy actively affected the game to get his trigger is suspicious in my eyes.
Also, gaining a vig shot, sure it's provable, but it could just be masquerading the mafia kill, esp with a watcher/tracker, and another claimed vig shot. Combined with his typically mafia aligned rolecop.
I wasn't up to the vig part, and unvoted when I got to proph's votecount
unvote Rodemy
This.
Vote Rodemy
This is a game about finding scum, not race to activate vengeance triggers.
Actually, what meggido suggested was a Mass name claim, which is completely different from mass vengeance claim.
@Seppel - What's your stance on a mass name claim?
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yup.
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1 - Yeah sure, but I had to go back with a fine tooth comb to find where you mentioned any other reasons.
2 - Basically, I said you two look like you could be working together, you suddenly realise that's what it looks like, and now you're working towards changing what people think.
The question is, why? I see distancing as a scum move, as scum ideally wouldn't want to be associated with someone they know will flip scum. Town however, won't know, and thus won't have any reason to create distance. In the event that they're scum, then as you said earlier you'd happily take a 1-1 trade.
Does anyone have any hypothetical situations where a scum member would want to distance themselves from a town player? I can't think of any and I'm curious.
3 - The reason why is what I'm trying to figure out.
4 - meh okay.
I dunno, and at this point, it's all a bunch of wifom, so I'm going to leave it for now.
So tell me, why DID you choose to bring up HP, right when my wagon was forming?