So, here's a question: If I were to remove a card from the game with something like Leonin Relic-Warder, if I were to use Sundial of the Infinite to end the turn, does the card get exiled permanently?
No. The trigger to bring the exiled card back, is not on the stack and will sit happily on the card until its conditions are met. This turn or any turn.
However... if the relic-warder leaves play, then the trigger goes on the stack, and then you end the turn, it will be exiled permanently.
1. If I have 2 Sundials (or Sundial and Voltaic Key or something) and activate the second copy while the first is on the stack, the original activation will just disappear, right? It won't end my turn, then end my opponent's turn.
Correct. The second activation will exile the first.
2. If I put Sundial onto Myr Welder, the "my turn only" restriction still exists, right?
The restriction is typed on the same line as the ability and is therefore part of the activated ability. The ability will continue to have the restriction on the welder.
So why can't the "next" end step be your opponent's? If you skip yours then logically that is the "next" one.
The significance of "next" is that as a delayed trigger, it only triggers once. As long as you allow the End Step to begin and go on the stack, you can then end the turn, exiling the ability, and it will not trigger again.
As another example, Magosi, the Waterveil uses a delayed trigger. The next only occurs once.
If you want an easier way to interpret it. If it doesn't say next, then it could say every. i.e. "At the beginning of every end step, sacrifice this creature." Which would be functionally the same, but make no sense.
So let's say you just drew 20 with Jace's ultimate and you end your turn with the sundial before your discard phase, will that allow you to keep your cards in hand?
No discard is part of the Cleanup Step which happens afterwards. Plus, it says so right on the card.
I know it's uncouth to dig up old threads, but this is a top search result on Google and is now incorrect with the Magic 2010 rule changes. I thought it might be confusing to new players, so I'd cite the new rule:
500.4. When a step or phase ends, any unused mana left in a player’s mana pool empties. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
The important difference between this and the original posters being that it empties at the end of STEPs as well now.
Infraction for deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules. Thread locked. -Woap
If an opponent had three or more cards put into his or her graveyard from anywhere this turn, you may pay rather than pay Ravenous Trap's mana cost.
If I sacrifice 3 eldrazi tokens, my understanding is that they go to the graveyard and then are removed from the game as an SBE. Does this count as "cards" going to the graveyard, or must it be a non-token permanent or spell?
No. The trigger to bring the exiled card back, is not on the stack and will sit happily on the card until its conditions are met. This turn or any turn.
However... if the relic-warder leaves play, then the trigger goes on the stack, and then you end the turn, it will be exiled permanently.
No. The word "next" has a very specific meaning of happening only once and only on the first occurrence of the condition.
Correct. The second activation will exile the first.
The restriction is typed on the same line as the ability and is therefore part of the activated ability. The ability will continue to have the restriction on the welder.
The significance of "next" is that as a delayed trigger, it only triggers once. As long as you allow the End Step to begin and go on the stack, you can then end the turn, exiling the ability, and it will not trigger again.
As another example, Magosi, the Waterveil uses a delayed trigger. The next only occurs once.
If you want an easier way to interpret it. If it doesn't say next, then it could say every. i.e. "At the beginning of every end step, sacrifice this creature." Which would be functionally the same, but make no sense.
No discard is part of the Cleanup Step which happens afterwards. Plus, it says so right on the card.
The important difference between this and the original posters being that it empties at the end of STEPs as well now.
Infraction for deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules. Thread locked. -Woap
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If I sacrifice 3 eldrazi tokens, my understanding is that they go to the graveyard and then are removed from the game as an SBE. Does this count as "cards" going to the graveyard, or must it be a non-token permanent or spell?
Thanks!