If anyone has found decent price offerings for sealed product, feel free to post them. I'm searching for cases under $550, or boxes at $100 or less including shipping.
There's already a very decent self-mill engine in satyr wayfinder + commune with the gods. Personally, I'm much more interested in Whip of Erebos as a spec target. If nighthowler finds a deck, or reanimator finds a deck, both lists will end up using Whip.
Yeah I would've loved to see this as a 2/4. Giant Spider has a legacy to protect though I think.
How cool would this have been even as a 1/4 for 1BG or as a 1/2 for BG? The latter would likely make it rare material. Like some kind of bizarro dredgy spider-Bob.
It's just such a beautiful looking card!
I think everything we've seen from JOU for BG constellation is just not quite pushed enough.
Constellation itself isn't pushed enough, period. It's pretty clear that they were wary of introducing an enchantress-style archetype into modern, hence the overcosted and underfed creatures with the constellation mechanic.
Card is obviously not meant to be played in a reanimator/dredge deck. It's an aggressively costed creature that survives wraths and helps you recover from them, with the niche ability to hate on reanimation. I don't know that it's amazing but the purpose of this card is certainly not to just self mill to fill your yard with donks and make snakes. This is one of the rockiest cards I have seen in a long time.
Bingo. She's meant to cause problems for decks willing to play 4cmc+ creatures without solid evasion. It doesn't hurt that she's also quite good at becoming a creature herself in that particular color combination. I'm excited to try out a Junk value deck that uses her in a similar fashion to Xenagod in Jund.
- you need mana for her to do anything, and that "do" part is just a token with deathtouch;
- she gives your opponent the tokens if you want to remove his gy;
- she has the most boring mechanics ever, it's like if they were in a rush and decided to just leave it be and go home early;
- she can't do nothing without creatures in a gy;
- I'm not a flavour fun, but she was suppose to be the goddess of mending and poisons and yet
all she does is pulling out snakes from somewhere;
- constalation is a mechanic that will not(ever) see standard play, it requires too many cards to be in play on your side to do anything, while the mana cost of the creatrues is high so the "constelation, good, mhm kids" argument is just wrong.
Why spend 3 mana on a enchantment that does nothing without mana and creatures in your graveyard??? I'd rather play Lifebane Zombie or Scavenging Ooze, heck - I'd rather play a 2 maan Sylvan Caryatid.
I'm speaking here from a standard point of view.
Imagine you are a Mono-black, monsters, or mono-u player. I would GROAN whenever pharika hits the board on my opponent's side. Even with only 2 creatures in his grave, I now have to play around 2 instant speed deathtouchers that can reliably trade against a tidebinder mage, polukranos, reaper of the wilds, pack rat, etc.
I don't even want to get into the implications of a 1-of pharika in Jund monsters with domri still legal... wait, OF COURSE I DO. She's mediocre against esper control (jace effeticvely deals with her sweeper recovery) and RW burn (they can ignore her), but she's outstanding against mono-black, GR/Jund monsters, BG dredge, mono-u, and naya hexproof. She can be drawn off domri, she gives you added value from battles of attrition, and she combo's with reaper of the wilds to generate very good card filtering.
I honestly don't get why people are focusing so much on the control of the token. If this card was changed so that it only pulled creatures out of your own grave, maybe people would understand it's true power. I can just picture some of the kids that think this card is bad, getting hung up on the fact that they aren't getting value for eliminating cards out of the opponent's grave. Is your local standard meta 90% dredge and reanimator? No? Then stop crying about value!
Ooze is a great card. But it's blinding a LOT of people in this thread in terms of properly evaluating Pharika.
I really need to remind myself to come back to this thread 2 months from now, because the sheer number of people thinking this is a bad card is hilarious. 3cmc is already outstanding. The utility of making instant speed DT blockers is outstanding. The ability to gain further value from dead dudes is amazing. Add to the fact that black and green currently have some of the best devotion enablers (BTE, Jarad, Nightveil, Tusker, etc.), and you have a legitimate beater that also gives you some sweeper recovery or an oustanding Jarad Fling target.
I can't believe people are actually complaining that the controller of the graveyard gets the token. Pharika is a house.
Inquisition of Kozilek for sure (more because the name makes it difficult to drop into a standard set printing, unlike thoughtseize). I'm honestly going out on a limb and gonna say there's ZERO fetches in this list. Doesn't make a ton of sense for wizards to attack the price point of fetchlands as a whole by printing single fetches in special set products.
Its honestly just how modern is and its unfortunate because so many people in my area just dont have the money to cash in. That being said I'd say if you dont have many any of the cards for this format in the deck you would want to play, wait. The format will settle people will figure out whats good/bad and prices may (hopefully) drop
In my area many have cashed in to the format, now there are several who have put ridiculous amounts of time and effort into putting jund together who don't consider it a deck they want to play post ban. Now they're sitting on a pile of fetches that they can't use with their goyfs and a $500 dollar set of Goyfs that they need to get new fetches among other cards so they can use them. I'm not one of these people but I completely understand where they're coming from . Even a lot of the people with the money to cash in to this format are becoming very weary of doing so now. Hopefully eventually the format will settle and shifts in the meta don't have to be from bans/unbans, but it's been 2 years already, makes me wonder how long it will take.
No ofense, but those people are idiots. If you have the goyfs and fetches for jund, you are literally less than $100 from a competitive version of Zoo or Junk. Trading Bobs and Lilianas for Arid Mesas, Linvala, and cheap-as-dirt kird apes, PtEs, Smiters, rampagers, and pridemages is pretty simple. Dont like that style of deck? Keep the bobs and lilianas, get some lingering souls and temple gardens, and BAM you have Junk.
You let the 5 other archetypes that hose tron bully the deck out of the metagame.
Seriously. Fae, Zoo, twin, and scapeshift all have outstanding matchups against GR tron. Soul Sisters is positioned well against Zoo, fae, and burn, while being mediocre against twin, affinity, BGx, and scapeshift, and is a dog to tron, URW control, UWR midrange, and gifts combo.
This seems like a complicated way of saying "hope to heck you don't get matched up against it."
Essentially, yes. Tron was/is notorious for having wildly varying matchup percentages against different archetypes, largely because the deck's weaknesses are GLARING weaknesses. Soul Sisters is actually in the same boat, as certain cards like wrath effects and night of soul's betrayal absolutely hose the synergy of the deck.
I have a True Name Nemesis on board, and cast Clone from my hand. I choose to have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of true name nemesis. Will the "as ~ enters" effect of True Name Nemesis still occur on the cloned version, allowing me to now have 2 True Names with protection from my chosen opponent?
You let the 5 other archetypes that hose tron bully the deck out of the metagame.
Seriously. Fae, Zoo, twin, and scapeshift all have outstanding matchups against GR tron. Soul Sisters is positioned well against Zoo, fae, and burn, while being mediocre against twin, affinity, BGx, and scapeshift, and is a dog to tron, URW control, UWR midrange, and gifts combo.
Rancor will go up once people realize how much of a house it becomes in Zoo, especially against Fae, Pod, and BW tokens. Gifts/rites would have gotten a nice bump if it weren't for the fact that gifts/rites is a dog to both fae and zoo.
Controlmagic, I agree that UWR is always going to have the ability to metagame proper answers against any given deck, but there's an unavoidable fact that you are ignoring - Two new archetypes have just entered the scene, and neither of which looks like it's supplanting any other decks within their archetype. This means a greater likelihood of facing cards that require unique answers, which is never a good thing for a reactive deck. Yes, Jund got a little easier, but Zoo is outstanding when it comes to punishing UWR for running cards like electrolyze and spell snare. Not knowing you are holding an effective mulligan to 5 because you kept revelation + electrolyze is a bad spot to be in.
At the minimum, I feel like UWR is just going to be forced into maindecking towards likely (and overlapping) archetypes, and simply accepting the fact that it's going to be an uphill fight game 1 against a few decks.
Merged into another thread also about KtK box prices.
Constellation itself isn't pushed enough, period. It's pretty clear that they were wary of introducing an enchantress-style archetype into modern, hence the overcosted and underfed creatures with the constellation mechanic.
Bingo. She's meant to cause problems for decks willing to play 4cmc+ creatures without solid evasion. It doesn't hurt that she's also quite good at becoming a creature herself in that particular color combination. I'm excited to try out a Junk value deck that uses her in a similar fashion to Xenagod in Jund.
Imagine you are a Mono-black, monsters, or mono-u player. I would GROAN whenever pharika hits the board on my opponent's side. Even with only 2 creatures in his grave, I now have to play around 2 instant speed deathtouchers that can reliably trade against a tidebinder mage, polukranos, reaper of the wilds, pack rat, etc.
I don't even want to get into the implications of a 1-of pharika in Jund monsters with domri still legal... wait, OF COURSE I DO. She's mediocre against esper control (jace effeticvely deals with her sweeper recovery) and RW burn (they can ignore her), but she's outstanding against mono-black, GR/Jund monsters, BG dredge, mono-u, and naya hexproof. She can be drawn off domri, she gives you added value from battles of attrition, and she combo's with reaper of the wilds to generate very good card filtering.
I honestly don't get why people are focusing so much on the control of the token. If this card was changed so that it only pulled creatures out of your own grave, maybe people would understand it's true power. I can just picture some of the kids that think this card is bad, getting hung up on the fact that they aren't getting value for eliminating cards out of the opponent's grave. Is your local standard meta 90% dredge and reanimator? No? Then stop crying about value!
Ooze is a great card. But it's blinding a LOT of people in this thread in terms of properly evaluating Pharika.
I can't believe people are actually complaining that the controller of the graveyard gets the token. Pharika is a house.
No ofense, but those people are idiots. If you have the goyfs and fetches for jund, you are literally less than $100 from a competitive version of Zoo or Junk. Trading Bobs and Lilianas for Arid Mesas, Linvala, and cheap-as-dirt kird apes, PtEs, Smiters, rampagers, and pridemages is pretty simple. Dont like that style of deck? Keep the bobs and lilianas, get some lingering souls and temple gardens, and BAM you have Junk.
Essentially, yes. Tron was/is notorious for having wildly varying matchup percentages against different archetypes, largely because the deck's weaknesses are GLARING weaknesses. Soul Sisters is actually in the same boat, as certain cards like wrath effects and night of soul's betrayal absolutely hose the synergy of the deck.
You let the 5 other archetypes that hose tron bully the deck out of the metagame.
Seriously. Fae, Zoo, twin, and scapeshift all have outstanding matchups against GR tron. Soul Sisters is positioned well against Zoo, fae, and burn, while being mediocre against twin, affinity, BGx, and scapeshift, and is a dog to tron, URW control, UWR midrange, and gifts combo.
At the minimum, I feel like UWR is just going to be forced into maindecking towards likely (and overlapping) archetypes, and simply accepting the fact that it's going to be an uphill fight game 1 against a few decks.