• posted a message on Green Party Presidential Candidate Jill Stein
    Quote from Mockingbird »
    No. That would constitute a protest vote or blind faith in ideological purity, which is the only vote they've sought since Ralph Nader (meaning ever). If I voted Green I would join the party and either work to clean out their ranks so this is at the least brought back down to earth along with a more rigorous platform... or get kicked out of the party for spreading ideological impurity.
    My money's on the latter. There's nothing a political fringe group hates more than the slightly different.

    EDIT: At least on the left. The alt-right all seems like one big happy family. Never really noticed that distinction before.
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  • posted a message on To atheists and agnostics: what makes Christianity unappealing or unacceptable to you?
    Quote from Lithl »
    Which does not necessarily mean they do believe the proposition that a god does not exist. Some atheists certainly do, but that's not a prerequisite for atheism.
    Facepalm The statement which started all this was that atheism was a belief, not that it was that belief. When someone stands up and says, "I am an atheist", they're affirming some proposition about the universe -- at the very minimum, they're affirming some proposition about themselves, and they are part of the universe. So it is wildly misleading to describe atheism as as an absence of belief, and to have this kind of knee-jerk reaction whenever someone calls it a belief. You know what has an absence of belief? A rock. Rocks don't affirm propositions. And we don't often describe rocks as atheists. An atheist human being is doing something different than a rock, and that something is perceiving, thinking, affirming believing.
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  • posted a message on Is there something to astrology?
    Decade-old thread locked.
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  • posted a message on To atheists and agnostics: what makes Christianity unappealing or unacceptable to you?
    Chrishouse, just two things:

    (1) The usage of "theist", "atheist", and "agnostic" ("gnostic" is something totally different) vary greatly depending on the person using them and the context. So while it's certainly useful to define your terms and clarify how you are using them, it is neither useful nor accurate to object to other usages as though you were "right" and they were "wrong". Figure out what people mean, then argue the content of what they're saying. Don't waste time bickering over labels.

    (2) You believe that there is insufficient evidence to assert a positive claim about the existence of God. The statement that launched this whole silly digression did not say atheism made a positive claim about the (non)existence of God; it only said atheism was a belief, and that is a completely true statement. A negative belief is still a belief. You complain about the conflation of knowledge and belief, but you're conflating positive claims with belief at least as badly.
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  • posted a message on Suicide Squad
    Who says the DCEU will be based on the New 52? BvS certainly isn't. Suicide Squad is barely based on the New 52. Wonder Woman looks to take no inspiration from the New 52. And the New 52 was a pathetically failed endeavor that DC Comics is already undoing.
    What would you define as "taking inspiration from the New 52" as opposed to the rest of the DC comics continuity? Setting aside specific plot points, they're not that different. It's not like the Marvel Ultimate universe versus their regular universe, where there are very pronounced thematic distinctions. Frankly, there couldn't have been pronounced thematic distinctions, because a lack of unifying editorial vision or control was one of the major reasons why the New 52 was received so poorly. But anyway, movie Wonder Woman is far more different from either New 52 Wonder Woman or classic Wonder Woman than they are from each other: she's never been an immortal or fought in World War I before. (Okay, yes, she is an immortal, but not in that Highlander "living through history" sense. She's no older in the narrative than Bats or Supes.)

    Now, on TV, The Flash is doing "Flashpoint" this season, so that's taking inspiration from the New 52.
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Quote from Highroller »
    But when Clinton gets elected, she won't have the benefit of having Trump there to make her look better by comparison. What if Clinton's favorability ratings tank and never stop tanking? We may have a upswing in Republican support.
    It's a demonstrated phenomenon with Clinton that her favorability ratings are much worse when she's campaigning than when she's on the job. I expect the polls to show a solid "meh" for her unless some disaster occurs.
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Quote from Highroller »
    Maybe, but it won't be a result of the third parties. The reason the third parties are getting voters has nothing to do with the third parties becoming more appealing, it has everything to do with the two dominant parties nominating extremely unfavorable candidates. You'll notice that people have to be reminded of how unpopular Hillary Clinton is, which speaks volumes as to how awful Trump is. Had Kasich or Rubio gotten the nomination, we'd be having an entirely different conversation.
    I sort of agree with this. A likeable Democrat versus a normal Republican and this race would look an awful lot like 2008 or 2012.

    But the fact that we don't have that race is going to have lasting consequences. People are going to remember what happened here. And it may be to the detriment of the major parties and the benefit of the third parties (or at least one of the third parties, probably the Libertarians -- the Greens still look pretty hopeless).
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  • posted a message on Green Party Presidential Candidate Jill Stein
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    For a former neurosurgeon, Carson seems to have a shockingly poor understanding of modern science. He has qualifications, but I certainly wouldn't put much trust in his knowledge.
    Did he say something anti-medical? I don't remember. The only thing I can recall was the statement that the Pyramids were granaries, which, yes, was ignorant as hell, but at least it wasn't within his field. Any medical doctor who makes even an vaguely anti-vaxxer comment should be fired... preferably into the sun.
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  • posted a message on Suicide Squad
    And that's something people like Snyder don't understand. Batman isn't a grimdark killer, he's an eternal optimist who clads himself in shadow to combat the darkness. If he was as cynical and murderous as Snyder envisioned him to be there never would have been a Batman. That character would have simply been The Punisher.
    ...who was actually handled very well in Daredevil season 2. So that's not necessarily a bad thing either.
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  • posted a message on Suicide Squad
    Quote from Highroller »
    The reason The Dark Knight was good was not because of the dark, gritty realism. All of that was a by-product of an attempt at maturity. The Dark Knight attempted to break genres by making a Batman film that didn't have the cartoonishness people generally associate with a superhero film, instead attempting to make it a crime drama that tackles serious subject matter. And even though the story is over-complicated, probably due to Nolan's love of over-complicating things, it succeeds.
    It's worth noting that in The Dark Knight, Batman decisively rejects and defeats the dark, cynical worldview and stands as a symbol of hope. He's not as different from Superman as he is often reputed to be.
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