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    posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Quote from Gashnaw »
    You never know. Maybe an overlooked mistake
    2/3 of the options I just gave can happen as soon as WotC is aware of the issue and it's been floating around the internet for a few weeks now. If they overlooked it before, they have plenty of time to fix it. It's always possible that they don't but they're creating a lot of potential headaches with the wording as is. You don't want a new player to show up for their first draft and draw games by playing the rare they opened, you don't want people trolling FNMs by intentionally trying to draw games, you don't want it happening on coverage.

    Obviously your choice, but I wouldn't spend too much time brewing or any money on supporting the card as spoiled.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Infinite combos and strong synergies - now under new management
    Stumbled into an infinite creature kill combo in BR last night:
    Nest of Scarabs + Everlasting Torment + Goblin Bombardment [+ a creature or -1/-1 counter to kick it off] = Kill any non-shroud/hexproof/pro red creature at instant speed. Potentially generates a large but not infinite number of etb and death triggers as well.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Ixalan spoiler: Settle the Wreckage
    I can't see playing this on an opponent swinging with more than one (maybe two) creatures unless it's life or death or I have an immediate answer to the downside, a la Armageddon or Aven Mindcensor. It answers an immediate threat but setting them up with mana for the long game presents greater issues long term.

    I'll stick it into occasional non-G token lists, though. That I can get behind.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Quote from Gashnaw »
    hostage taker is better for that
    I'd put odds close to 100% that there's a wording change from what we've seen, day 0 errata, or some sort of rules change related to Hostage Taker by the time the set drops. There's no way WotC wants a 1-card instant draw on an empty board in their current set.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Miscut, Misprint, Foreign, Foil &Other Oddities Price Thread.
    Quote from ToWriteLove »
    Where would you say is the best bet to move them?
    Probably one of the Facebook groups, given that they're kind of niche. You can list them on the high end group if you value them at $50+/ea (not an unreasonable price, no idea if the admins will agree with me on that). There's also a smaller group dedicated to foreign cards, and the < 50 B/S/T group.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Miscut, Misprint, Foreign, Foil &Other Oddities Price Thread.
    Quote from ronj »
    I opened a few Kaladesh black cards that are much paler than usual. Worth anything?
    Thanks for including a picture. You're not really looking at any added value, especially if it's draft chaff commons and the like. If you opened something a little more valuable (Fatal Push, chase rare, etc) you could maybe get a small premium for it if you found the right buyer but it would be a long shot.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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    posted a message on The Other Format Price Discussion Thread
    I'd guess copycat buyouts. Someone sees the price spikes from the big ones, like Moat, and hears about the profits. A card like Polar Kraken has a much lower initial outlay, so they try the same thing there without thinking about how they're going to get rid of dozens or hundreds of copies of a card with no demand (I assume - it's not like you can buylist those for a profit and I don't know anyone who's looking for one). It just doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone actually following the MtG market would try. It feels like a college kid's get rich quick scheme.

    I'll admit to not following 93/94, but is Lifeblood relevant enough in that format to drive demand? The only other people who want it are collectors, because Sanctimony is almost strictly better. Is anyone in any format interested in North Star? Outside of the handful of EDH playable cards, the only audience for these cards is collectors and I seriously doubt that that population is large enough to make up the cost of some of these buyouts. Is the plan to hold onto them long enough for the buylist price to climb, then offload them?

    Once you start getting out of 93/94 territory, you have to deal with a much larger print run to buyout. You find more cards with actual demand, but there are more copies on the market and more copies sitting in binders. It's more money and effort to buy all of the available copies and the price is going to drop back down more quickly. Less immediate reward for more effort makes them less desirable targets, but they're still going to be targets at some point. There's also a reasonable chance that 93/94 cards not on the RL are good buyout candidates. Something like Arboria has some demand, isn't on the RL, and isn't likely to be reprinted anyways, which makes it a possible buyout target and probably a better one than some of the Tempest/Urza's stuff on the RL.

    Last question, I doubt WotC cares about the people impacted by RL buyouts. There's no financial incentive for them to make it easier to purchase old cards, particularly because it's all secondary market. Given that the reason for the RL was to protect collector's financial stake in the cards, rising prices seems more like an expectation than a problem. If the spikes in legacy playables (technically still a supported format) weren't enough to shift their stance on the RL, there's nothing to imply that they're going to be moved by the fringe collectible stuff. There's also no reason to think that they would reprint some of these cards even if the RL was broken. At this point, the most compelling reason for them to break the RL is cards like Thunder Spirit that could fill a role in a limited environment.

    Final point, as one of the OCD members rubbed the wrong way: this post was both in a better place for the discussion and contained talking points, not just an observation that people were buying cards. That's the kind of post that's worth replying to.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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    posted a message on Shrine of Burning Rage
    Featured in a decent finish at a modern GP, so it's gotten a lot of attention in modern circles. I'd assume that's led to people picking up copies without necessarily having enough demand to outstrip supply and drive prices up significantly.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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    posted a message on Responding to weak playgroups
    Quote from FunkyDragon »
    You need to make sure that everyone is aiming for approximately the same style of game. It's not a matter of "cutthroat is better" and players will all embrace the most cutthroat if they're "good enough."
    This. Not everyone playing with a low powered deck is doing it because they can't make a better one. My group consists almost entirely of former competitive players, most of whom are well employed with decent collections. Sometimes you just want to use Bazaar of Baghdad to turn on Hazoret the Pervert instead of playing a nasty dredge deck with it. If you show up to my group's EDH night and follow my T3 Markov Blademaster with EOT Ad Nauseam into combo kill, you're probably not getting a second invite. We're careful about avoiding an arms race because we like the power level we're at, not because we can't build stronger decks.

    The reason I type all that isn't to call out competitive players - if that's the way you like to play, go for it. It's to point out the importance of communication. I suspect it's less common than groups that are lower powered due to lack of experience or resources, but there are definitely groups that have made a conscious choice to reign in power level. You can avoid a lot of power level related headaches with 30 seconds of conversation.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Miscut, Misprint, Foreign, Foil &Other Oddities Price Thread.
    Quote from ToWriteLove »
    So I'm curious, I have a playset of mint foil shards of alara Wild Nacatl, that are German. So they are the Wilder Nacatl. Problem is I have had them for so long and haven't had any luck finding a price point for them, does anyone have an idea?
    First, a quick disclaimer about desirable foreign language foils of playable cards: the fact that they're a niche aesthetic choice means they're realistically worth what someone is willing to pay for them and it probably takes some extra time to find a buyer interested enough to shell out. For a price estimate, there are two listings on MKM at 36 € for good condition and 43 € for mint so I'd start in the $45-50 range. The fact that they really only see play as a 4-of and the relative scarcity of the card makes it easier to value a playset a little higher.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
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    posted a message on Mairsil, the Pretender (Let's Brew!)
    Quote from Ebline »
    If the rules manager told us that Mountains tap for U, would that make it so? I'm obviously exaggerating a good deal to create a less subtle example, but the fact remains that what the rules manager has said appears to be in direct conflict with the CR and the text of the card and the available precedent info on how copied abilities behave. In many regards, Eli's ruling actually makes it LESS clear how the hell this is meant to work, as the situation is now "the CR indicates it should work like so and so, except for Mairsil because the rules manager said it's like this instead," resulting in what comes across as a very bizarre directive to ignore the CR and text as written.
    I agree, which is why I'm hoping for clarification one way or another. Either Eli further explains his reasoning, Mairsil gets errata (has precedent), or there's a rules change (we already know there's at least one CR change coming with this set RE: phasing and rules changes accompanying product releases are common, so that's not out of the question). That doesn't change the fact that the rules manager's vote has more sway than an anonymous internet poster. When it comes to rules issues, Eli does have the ability to make a final decision. The fact that he went against what the rules seem to say in this case is a problem and potential point of conflict that needs to be resolved.

    Quote from Jusstice »
    My only remaining question is whether the copying of an ability that has already been used carries with it its "used up" status. That will determine whether you can go "infinite" or not. Because the quicksilver activation will copy itself, the question is whether you can use it again. I'm not sure on that one.
    It won't carry "used up" status. Whether or not something has been used isn't a copiable characteristic. That exact situation has existed in the rules since at least 95, when you could Clone your Walking Wall, and has always worked the same way (that I can remember - definitely the way it's worked for many years now). Also explicitly confirmed by Eli here.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Mairsil, the Pretender (Let's Brew!)
    Quote from genini2 »
    According to Petro each additional copied ability does not have the once per turn restriction. Which makes sense to me.
    When it comes to rules interactions, random MTGS poster doesn't trump rules manager no matter how well reasoned the argument is. Until Eli changes his ruling, clarifies his ruling, or something is rewritten to be clearer (either errata on Mairsil or an edit to the CR), I would follow that.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
    Quote from MrBrown »
    What do you do when you have possibility storm in play and Mishra in the command zone? Seems hard to abuse the effect than.
    Jam Mishra. Possibility Storm only affects spells cast from hand.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
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    posted a message on Mairsil, the Pretender (Let's Brew!)
    According to Eli Shiffrin (rules manager), the Quicksilver Elemental trick doesn't work. I'd like to know the reasoning behind the ruling because it doesn't seem like the way that interaction should work, but he's the final word on the matter.

    You can still go infinite because activating the Elemental's ability gives you another use of the ability, but you need a way to produce an additional U with each loop. It cuts down on the possible mana abilities drastically.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Random Card of the Day - Reminisce
    Solid card. Enables GY strats, digs for more relevant cards late, evasion ability means it can carry equips with some success, vampire typing has some support (and a lot more in a week). It's a good 1-drop for the format that's not going to fit in every deck.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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